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Ever tried significantly reducing protein intake and replacing those calories with Fats/carbs and noticed that your gains are just as good? Then you realise less money spent on protein powders,meat etc = more money to spend on gear which = a bigger you.
I have for a long while now felt that some of the protein recomendations of so called 'experts ' is complete bullshit, how much we really need I have no idea... but taking my protein up to 2g per lb or even 1.5 per lb never gave me better gains...
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its much less than people in this industry says, i made great gains in periods i ate like shit.
i think the body utilises nutrients much better when it doesnt come in huge proportions.
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Because of an ad on this board i bought this book (the ad was for part 2 but i thought i'd try part 1)
The only reason we are told we need more protein? $$$. Before protein supplements the bodybuilding/weightlifting industry had fuck all to sell. Just barbells. Which last 50 years. Protein powders are needed each month.
I've tried going below 100 grams and noticed no difference. Eating 1+ grams per pound of BW starts adding fat unless the cardio is high.
I think the biggest thing is recovery. As you get stronger and can put more intensity on the body, you need to do less to break down the muscle. Also you need to take breaks to rest the CNS. Nutrition obviously helps recovery but eating enough good nutrients when hungry, not force feeding yourself.
It's a very good book. Fair bit i flipped through as he rambles at times but the main stuff on Weider vs Hoffman and early training ideas is there.
(http://www.weidermailorder.com/7260-190-large/muscle-smoke--mirrors.jpg)
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More than 1g/lb and less than 2g/lb
Personally i find 1.25 - 1.5g/lb works best.
Did not grow on 1g/lb. Using more than 1.5g/lb did not make me grow more than being in the range stated above.
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150g to build a normal physique
200g to build a beach physique
300g to build a national competitor physique
+ 450g to be build mr olympia physique
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Depends on how much meat, milk, etc. you like to eat.
I think it's not much... 70-150g depending on weight and genetics. One thing I noticed is that many nadualls who eat huge protein meals/shakes is they get fat and watery.
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Ever tried significantly reducing protein intake and replacing those calories with Fats/carbs and noticed that your gains are just as good? Then you realise less money spent on protein powders,meat etc = more money to spend on gear which = a bigger you.
I have for a long while now felt that some of the protein recomendations of so called 'experts ' is complete bullshit, how much we really need I have no idea... but taking my protein up to 2g per lb or even 1.5 per lb never gave me better gains...
I have couple months doing this and I look the same.
And stronger.
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Plus I save some money..
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I have couple months doing this and I look the same.
And stronger.
Good to hear mon ami
Vive la france
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Good to hear mon ami
Vive la france
;D
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IMO it Depends..
Off season when I'm 180 + pounds I take in much less (I do fine on 180g-200g and rather push the carbs up to 400-500g has a protien sparing effect. I find off season more protein doesn't give me "more gains" either.
pre contest @ 158 pounds my protien is higher though (250-300g protein) carbs lower but always there and cycled between 50-150g with carb ups every so often (up to 600g-800g carbs once a week normally or when I get very flat (I do lower protein on these carb up days). I never go keto not the most effective diet IMO
I find the Main benefit for higher Protein pre contest or when dieting is it's suppression effect on hunger. Especially lower carb days. Essential fat I keep moderate 40-50g a day I don't see much benefit in going higher fat in my experience. Whether that's too much protein or too little who knows, but this was what I did in 2009 to get into this condition.
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IMO it Depends..
Off season when I'm 180 + pounds I take in much less (I do fine on 180g-200g and rather push the carbs up to 400-500g.
pre contest @ 158 pounds (250-300g protein) carbs are cycled 50-150g with carb ups every so often (up to 600g-800g carbs once a week normally or when I get very flat (I do lower protein on these carb up days).
I find the Main benefit for higher Protein pre contest or when dieting is it's suppression effect on hunger. Especially lower carb days. Essential fat I keep moderate 40-50g a day I don't see much benefit in going higher fat in my experience. Whether that's too much protein or too little who knows, but this was what I did in 2009 to get into this condition.
You look great!
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IMO it Depends..
Off season when I'm 180 + pounds I take in much less (I do fine on 180g-200g and rather push the carbs up to 400-500g.
pre contest @ 158 pounds (250-300g protein) carbs are cycled 50-150g with carb ups every so often (up to 600g-800g carbs once a week normally or when I get very flat (I do lower protein on these carb up days).
I find the Main benefit for higher Protein pre contest or when dieting is it's suppression effect on hunger. Especially lower carb days. Essential fat I keep moderate 40-50g a day I don't see much benefit in going higher fat in my experience. Whether that's too much protein or too little who knows, but this was what I did in 2009 to get into this condition.
Now that's conditioning ;D What's your height and weight there? Also, what did your arms and waist measured at that time?
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retarted how people also count the protein intake, who cares. if you train hard eat healthy its ok
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Now that's conditioning ;D What's your height and weight there? Also, what did your arms and waist measured at that time?
Thanks, that's the leanest I've gotten so far, I had those BW pics of Dorian yates and Humdullah as my goal 8)
I weighed in under 154 pounds @ 5,7
waist about 30- 29 - my pants were falling off me.
Arms ??? I don't know I've never measured them
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You look great!
Thanks Wes
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Thanks, that's the leanest I've gotten so far, I had those BW pics of Dorian yates and Humdullah as my goal 8)
I weighed in under 154 pounds @ 5,7
waist about 30- 29 - my pants were falling off me.
Arms ??? I don't know I've never measured them
Good work man
That takes lots of drive and determination to get to that level of conditioning, so much respect to you sir 8)
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You look great!
agreed. what makes it more impressive is the degree of conditioning. you seldom see guys that lean anymore cause takes a shit ton of discipline to get there. this guy busted his ass and didn't rely on drugs to get there
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great physique, good lines and conditioning
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pre contest @ 158 pounds (250-300mg test ) winstrol vials are cycled 50-150mg with carb ups every so often (up to 600mg-800mg tren a once a week normally or when I get very flat (I do lower protein on these carb up days).
fixed
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fixed
Hahah Nah Maybe next year! ;)
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(http://p1.xhamster.com/000/012/583/428_1000.jpg)
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You look great but you are as natural as ron coleman is :D
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You look great but you are as natural as ron coleman is :D
;D I can understand why you'd think that but that's me on my own in a photo...put me next to a guy on tren, winstrol, HGH etc. and I'd pale in comparison. I got very lean and this was the day after a big carb up and posing practice.. normally I was small and flat with no veins.
If you saw me in real life you would see I'm not using which I swear on my life I'm not. I hate "fake natural liars" as much as any of you guys and I've been lied to my face by a few myself, if in the future I cross over to the dark side & post up a pic on getbig I swear I will say so and what.
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Because of an ad on this board i bought this book (the ad was for part 2 but i thought i'd try part 1)
The only reason we are told we need more protein? $$$. Before protein supplements the bodybuilding/weightlifting industry had fuck all to sell. Just barbells. Which last 50 years. Protein powders are needed each month.
I've tried going below 100 grams and noticed no difference. Eating 1+ grams per pound of BW starts adding fat unless the cardio is high.
I think the biggest thing is recovery. As you get stronger and can put more intensity on the body, you need to do less to break down the muscle. Also you need to take breaks to rest the CNS. Nutrition obviously helps recovery but eating enough good nutrients when hungry, not force feeding yourself.
It's a very good book. Fair bit i flipped through as he rambles at times but the main stuff on Weider vs Hoffman and early training ideas is there.
(http://www.weidermailorder.com/7260-190-large/muscle-smoke--mirrors.jpg)
We can argue this all day butlot of experts and myself believe the protein can't stor as fat, so you are fat gained is not from protein, I have tested this and eaten protein non stop and it didn't store as fat not even a gram, the extra calories will stop you from losing fat cause you have burn them anyway but no fat storage will occure
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;D I can understand why you'd think that but that's me on my own in a photo...put me next to a guy on tren, winstrol, HGH etc. and I'd pale in comparison. I got very lean and this was the day after a big carb up and posing practice.. normally I was small and flat with no veins.
If you saw me in real life you would see I'm not using which I swear on my life I'm not. I hate "fake natural liars" as much as any of you guys and I've been lied to my face by a few myself, if in the future I cross over to the dark side & post up a pic on getbig I swear I will say so and what.
stfu ::)
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its much less than people in this industry says, i made great gains in periods i ate like shit.
i think the body utilises nutrients much better when it doesnt come in huge proportions.
thats the point
i see too many guys here in brasil walking around with WATERY body, like a big bubble of shit. Them you ask them:
Man, wuts going on?
They say: Duurp, offseason buddy, quero ficar monstro, sinistro. I'm eating 500g of protein every day, 800g of carb, no count the fat. I'll reach 270lb, pode crer, i'll be the next Universe and soon i'll be with my pro card in hands.
All that shit soaked up into the body WITHOUT hGH plus 2g testosterona a week. It's done, the picture off brazilian bodybuilding
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Thanks, that's the leanest I've gotten so far, I had those BW pics of Dorian yates and Humdullah as my goal 8)
I weighed in under 154 pounds @ 5,7
waist about 30- 29 - my pants were falling off me.
Arms ??? I don't know I've never measured them
Great stats man.
Yes, not the biggest. But they are the ideal stats for a 5'7 guy.
Im 5'7 too and I competed 2 times at this weight a 150-154.
What weight did you start the diet at? Do you get "fat" offseason?
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150g to build a normal physique
200g to build a beach physique
300g to build a national competitor physique
+ 450g to be build mr olympia physique
x2
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thats the point
i see too many guys here in brasil walking around with WATERY body, like a big bubble of shit. Them you ask them:
Man, wuts going on?
They say: Duurp, offseason buddy, quero ficar monstro, sinistro. I'm eating 500g of protein every day, 800g of carb, no count the fat. I'll reach 270lb, pode crer, i'll be the next Universe and soon i'll be with my pro card in hands.
All that shit soaked up into the body WITHOUT hGH plus 2g testosterona a week. It's done, the picture off brazilian bodybuilding
lolol!!! so true!
brazilians are obsessed with size.... partly due to them being short fuckers! :P
they take all the durateston and hemogenin they can afford because that brings the mass... yes water and fat! ;)
they eat all the feijoada and rodizio they can afford...take every supplement under the sun, and end up looking like a big pile of shit, thinking they are huge... ;D ;D ;D
at my gym they ask me about my diet... lol.. i say what diet???? i do not diet!
how much durateston do i take... lol... test? about 200 mg a week.... and hemo??? that we use as pre contest drugs i tell them, they almost fall over when hearing that, as they think it's a mass builder.
very funny.... lol!
they do not get it, do not understand it's all about the right drugs!
diet = not needed! a lot of test = not needed!
look at the off season pics of 70's bodybuild..... all water and bloofy.... that = the test and dbol look!!
look at the 70's competition pics.... that is primo, low test, eq, winstrol, a lot better look!
water+fat = not muscle.....
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Great stats man.
Yes, not the biggest. But they are the ideal stats for a 5'7 guy.
Im 5'7 too and I competed 2 times at this weight a 150-154.
What weight did you start the diet at? Do you get "fat" offseason?
Thanks Mes. Yeah, I'll leave the size game up to other guys, I don’t have the body type for it anyway. Was checking out Wes’s thread Golds Gym - "The Mecca", when it really was "The Mecca" Now that is inspiring and what bodybuilding is about to me.
I’ve competed since 1994 done 32 shows and been roughly the same weight at all of them. despite going up 30 pounds in the off season (Up to 185 puffy pounds not flabby) . Now I just try stay leaner all year, No more bulking up for me. Just makes for a longer diet to end up the same. The one thing I have learned is to be ready about 6 weeks out and slightly increase carbs and fill out leading into the show (not a lot, like 25g carbs extra a day 6 weeks out, then add another 25g a day 5 weeks out and so on) instead of beating yourself into the ground right till the end. It allows you to train hard till 2 weeks out and then back off the cardio and heavy weights and cruise in, also I never cut water or salt not necessary for Natties we don’t retain sodium so much when lean low carbs and drinking lots of water. But everyone has their own approach
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why is it all these "naturals" always have the need to scream that they are natural?
"supernatural" ::) ::) ::)
nobody cares that you are to scared to put a needle in your asscheeck.
meanwhile using every prohormone under the sun, and every bullshit supplement... yeah real "supernatural"
fuck off fake natural liar..... ;)
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Thanks, that's the leanest I've gotten so far, I had those BW pics of Dorian yates and Humdullah as my goal 8)
I weighed in under 154 pounds @ 5,7
waist about 30- 29 - my pants were falling off me.
Arms ??? I don't know I've never measured them
helluva physique..congrats
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why is it all these "naturals" always have the need to scream that they are natural?
"supernatural" ::) ::) ::)
nobody cares that you are to scared to put a needle in your asscheeck.
meanwhile using every prohormone under the sun, and every bullshit supplement... yeah real "supernatural"
fuck off fake natural liar..... ;)
You sound upset :'(
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your boyfriend doesn't mind you posting his pics on getbig?????
;D
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Ever tried significantly reducing protein intake and replacing those calories with Fats/carbs and noticed that your gains are just as good? Then you realise less money spent on protein powders,meat etc = more money to spend on gear which = a bigger you.
I have for a long while now felt that some of the protein recomendations of so called 'experts ' is complete bullshit, how much we really need I have no idea... but taking my protein up to 2g per lb or even 1.5 per lb never gave me better gains...
That's why they are recommendations. There's only one way you're going to find out what you need: TRIAL AND ERROR.
The 1 gram/pound of bodyweight is a basic guideline. You can tailor your needs from there. Plus, your needs change over the years. You may not need as much protein (or calories, overall) when you get older, as opposed to when you're younger.
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When not dieting and eating balanced, 150gr a day is enough for almost any bodybuilder. When dieting eat 50-100 grams more.
Says dr Dutch
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protein is power
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Because of an ad on this board i bought this book (the ad was for part 2 but i thought i'd try part 1)
The only reason we are told we need more protein? $$$. Before protein supplements the bodybuilding/weightlifting industry had fuck all to sell. Just barbells. Which last 50 years. Protein powders are needed each month.
I've tried going below 100 grams and noticed no difference. Eating 1+ grams per pound of BW starts adding fat unless the cardio is high.
I think the biggest thing is recovery. As you get stronger and can put more intensity on the body, you need to do less to break down the muscle. Also you need to take breaks to rest the CNS. Nutrition obviously helps recovery but eating enough good nutrients when hungry, not force feeding yourself.
It's a very good book. Fair bit i flipped through as he rambles at times but the main stuff on Weider vs Hoffman and early training ideas is there.
(http://www.weidermailorder.com/7260-190-large/muscle-smoke--mirrors.jpg)
Volume II just came out, if you didn't already know. I've heard really good things about both books. I mentioned them to my parents, so I'm hoping they took that as a Christmas present idea for me.
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Thanks Mes. Yeah, I'll leave the size game up to other guys, I don’t have the body type for it anyway. Was checking out Wes’s thread Golds Gym - "The Mecca", when it really was "The Mecca" Now that is inspiring and what bodybuilding is about to me.
I’ve competed since 1994 done 32 shows and been roughly the same weight at all of them. despite going up 30 pounds in the off season (Up to 185 puffy pounds not flabby) . Now I just try stay leaner all year, No more bulking up for me. Just makes for a longer diet to end up the same. The one thing I have learned is to be ready about 6 weeks out and slightly increase carbs and fill out leading into the show (not a lot, like 25g carbs extra a day 6 weeks out, then add another 25g a day 5 weeks out and so on) instead of beating yourself into the ground right till the end. It allows you to train hard till 2 weeks out and then back off the cardio and heavy weights and cruise in, also I never cut water or salt not necessary for Natties we don’t retain sodium so much when lean low carbs and drinking lots of water. But everyone has their own approach
Let me get this right.. You have put the work into 32 shows to diet and prep completely natural, never touched anything for 32 shows, not once. Seems like the path of a true natural who would never take shit. I mean, all that fucking work without one damn thing thrown in for assistance. And now, after 32 shows, you come to us and say you are ready for gear? Give me a fucking break
Great condition btw
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Thanks, that's the leanest I've gotten so far, I had those BW pics of Dorian yates and Humdullah as my goal 8)
I weighed in under 154 pounds @ 5,7
waist about 30- 29 - my pants were falling off me.
Arms ??? I don't know I've never measured them
Need be less ripped.
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(http://www.chilloutpoint.com/images/2010/03/wtf-famili-photos/weird-family-photographs-07.jpg)
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Thanks, that's the leanest I've gotten so far, I had those BW pics of Dorian yates and Humdullah as my goal 8)
I weighed in under 154 pounds @ 5,7
waist about 30- 29 - my pants were falling off me.
Arms ??? I don't know I've never measured them
Look friggin great and at 154 i can see you are natural.
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if amy of you remember older kai greeme ideos. He libed im a shit hole. With hallways that smelt like piss. Dirt poor mo furmiature etc.
he was sayimg cuz he didmt kmow amy better but prob cudmt afford it amyways. His first comtest to cut dowm he ate mothimg but bread amd water lol.
sooo who kmows. I beleie it guy is poor or was poor as fuck
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I would aim to get at least 40g, if you wanna be on the safe side!
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I think 1.5g is perfect for growth and 1g is ok for maintenance/cutting
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I think 1.5g is perfect for growth and 1g is ok for maintenance/cutting
agree if your eating a normal balanced diet and not restricting other macros with there is not much point in imo
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About time you people are starting to get it.
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Thanks, that's the leanest I've gotten so far, I had those BW pics of Dorian yates and Humdullah as my goal 8)
I weighed in under 154 pounds @ 5,7
waist about 30- 29 - my pants were falling off me.
Arms ??? I don't know I've never measured them
Lookin great....this is an awesome pic to illustrate the meaning "bodybuilding is all illusion". When you are shredded you look bigger and stronger vs more bf.
Striated glutes tho....clen? ephedrina?
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5'7 150lb is natural number,,maybe some halodrol and some over fat burner in the grey area which are steroids indeed but over all 150lb 5'7 is natural number for fellw with average bone size,, the truth of the mater is that every fella now day use halodrl or something ,,most fellas use fat burners to get into condition if natural ,, they woudnt be able to do it otherwize,
but yes this fella is as close to natural as you will get friends
gh15 approved
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Biology 101: Proteins are the building blocks of life. You lift weights, muscles tears down, protein helps repair the muscle and if you don't get enough protein in your diet, you go into state catabolism where the body starts to eat up muscle in order for the body to function. The appropriate amount depends on how hard you work out. Plus I've read that AAS increases protein synthesis so I'm thinking if you're on hormones you can probably get away with eating more protien even if not working out as hard.
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one gram is ideal.
(not one gram per pound of bodyweight) just one gram a day. nothin but a peanut...literally
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Biology 101: Proteins are the building blocks of life. You lift weights, muscles tears down, protein helps repair the muscle and if you don't get enough protein in your diet, you go into state catabolism where the body starts to eat up muscle in order for the body to function. The appropriate amount depends on how hard you work out. Plus I've read that AAS increases protein synthesis so I'm thinking if you're on hormones you can probably get away with eating more protien even if not working out as hard.
You mean get away with eating less protein on AAS?
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We can argue this all day butlot of experts and myself believe the protein can't stor as fat, so you are fat gained is not from protein, I have tested this and eaten protein non stop and it didn't store as fat not even a gram, the extra calories will stop you from losing fat cause you have burn them anyway but no fat storage will occure
So where the cals from protein go?
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IMO it Depends..
Off season when I'm 180 + pounds I take in much less (I do fine on 180g-200g and rather push the carbs up to 400-500g has a protien sparing effect. I find off season more protein doesn't give me "more gains" either.
pre contest @ 158 pounds my protien is higher though (250-300g protein) carbs lower but always there and cycled between 50-150g with carb ups every so often (up to 600g-800g carbs once a week normally or when I get very flat (I do lower protein on these carb up days). I never go keto not the most effective diet IMO
I find the Main benefit for higher Protein pre contest or when dieting is it's suppression effect on hunger. Especially lower carb days. Essential fat I keep moderate 40-50g a day I don't see much benefit in going higher fat in my experience. Whether that's too much protein or too little who knows, but this was what I did in 2009 to get into this condition.
reminds me of dorian's back.. great shot..
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thats the point
i see too many guys here in brasil walking around with WATERY body, like a big bubble of shit. Them you ask them:
Man, wuts going on?
They say: Duurp, offseason buddy, quero ficar monstro, sinistro. I'm eating 500g of protein every day, 800g of carb, no count the fat. I'll reach 270lb, pode crer, i'll be the next Universe and soon i'll be with my pro card in hands.
All that shit soaked up into the body WITHOUT hGH plus 2g testosterona a week. It's done, the picture off brazilian bodybuilding
Well, that 500g per day adds up quite nicely, if your weight is 250 kilos, which means 550lb. Remember, it is 1 to 2 g of protein per kilo of body weight. 1kilo = 2,2lb, so if you are consuming 1-2g per 1lb, you eat too much of it, and you are wasting your money. If your weight is 100kg/220lb, difference is 240g per day, which means almost a kilo per every four days, which equals 4000 kcal of extra calories.
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(http://www.chilloutpoint.com/images/2010/03/wtf-famili-photos/weird-family-photographs-07.jpg)
lol
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Biology 101: Proteins are the building blocks of life. You lift weights, muscles tears down, protein helps repair the muscle and if you don't get enough protein in your diet, you go into state catabolism where the body starts to eat up muscle in order for the body to function. The appropriate amount depends on how hard you work out. Plus I've read that AAS increases protein synthesis so I'm thinking if you're on hormones you can probably get away with eating more protien even if not working out as hard.
protein synthesis increases when on steroids...
that means your body uses it more effecient, it does NOT mean your body needs more!!!!
diet = useless......!!!
just eat! eat healthy , eat when your hungry.. very very simple!
your body will take what it needs.
that whole protein story is blown up! 400 grams a day ::) ::) ::) yeah when you are ronnie coleman and on 40 iu's of hgh a day.
when on steroids alone eat normal!!!!
when on steroids and low dose hgh you can eat a little more.... for gods sake rea the bible... it's all here!
and i did it all, i ate 500 grams of protein a day , and now i eat maybe 100 grams a day... i am a lot leaner today...
also smaller but that is because of training mma and lowering the dose a lot! lol!
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protein synthesis increases when on steroids...
that means your body uses it more effecient, it does NOT mean your body needs more!!!!
diet = useless......!!!
just eat! eat healthy , eat when your hungry.. very very simple!
your body will take what it needs.
that whole protein story is blown up! 400 grams a day ::) ::) ::) yeah when you are ronnie coleman and on 40 iu's of hgh a day.
when on steroids alone eat normal!!!!
when on steroids and low dose hgh you can eat a little more.... for gods sake rea the bible... it's all here!
and i did it all, i ate 500 grams of protein a day , and now i eat maybe 100 grams a day... i am a lot leaner today...
also smaller but that is because of training mma and lowering the dose a lot! lol!
Good post dude. I personally know this fella here in this pic, Mr. JM Blakely, and he ate bout 80 grams of protein while dieting and lost ZERO strength or muscle in the process. Who knows? Maybe it was from the chemical assistance, or maybe he is just a gentic elite? I'm trying to get him to come on over here and post on this board, but he is a bit if a recluse to say to least lol
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Protein tastes awesome :P Even if you don't need quite as much, why struggle so much to limit it? Even if I wasn't working out I'd likely eat a fair bit of it.
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protein synthesis increases when on steroids...
that means your body uses it more effecient, it does NOT mean your body needs more!!!!
diet = useless......!!!
just eat! eat healthy , eat when your hungry.. very very simple!
your body will take what it needs.
that whole protein story is blown up! 400 grams a day ::) ::) ::) yeah when you are ronnie coleman and on 40 iu's of hgh a day.
when on steroids alone eat normal!!!!
when on steroids and low dose hgh you can eat a little more.... for gods sake rea the bible... it's all here!
and i did it all, i ate 500 grams of protein a day , and now i eat maybe 100 grams a day... i am a lot leaner today...
also smaller but that is because of training mma and lowering the dose a lot! lol!
Now it makes sense. I thought it was the other way around. Thanks for clarifying. Can you provide an estimate macronutrient %age breakdown for example 50% protein, 30% carbs and 20% fat? Everything I've learned about bodybuilding is being challenged. Now I'm getting more confused than ever. We're talking about me reading on this topic for the last 15 yrs.
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ok this is bodybuilding,so throw all physician desk ref. and what works for normal people out the door,its per lb. of bodyweight not kilo,and high amounts of protien are necessary when dieting especially low carb,if offseason and carbs are high,prtien can be lowered,i would still use at least one gram per pound of b.w. if using anabolics and on low carb diet use 2 grams per pound of bodyweight.that is only way.
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of course protien has to be of high quality,get at least half from food source and if using powder,cant be cheap wallmart crap or some gimmick,remember if powder use only best quality and not always whey.
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eat eat eat
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Now it makes sense. I thought it was the other way around. Thanks for clarifying. Can you provide an estimate macronutrient %age breakdown for example 50% protein, 30% carbs and 20% fat? Everything I've learned about bodybuilding is being challenged. Now I'm getting more confused than ever. We're talking about me reading on this topic for the last 15 yrs.
only thing you should have learned about bodybuilding is that it's ALL DRUGS!!!
diet, macro's? do you really think top bb measure there food on a daily basis ?
that they worry about macros? how much grams of dry rice? or turkey breast?
JUST EAT, good home cooked food.... macro's will be ok ..... eat plenty of meat, eggs etc... protein will be ok....
it's a very simple thing that is being made very very complex....
inject your steroids and hgh
train
EAT!
pronto....you will be big and lean
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Red, bloated faces, horrible complexions. I laugh at these poor souls gorging themselves with cheap, lactose filled whey powders, holding water and blowing out horrible gas 24/7.
Overstuffed pigs.
Grass Fed Beef, Wild salmon, Free range chickens.....That's where it's at folks.
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Bob Chick should chime in here, as his insight would be valuable, with his many years of experience in the sport as both a top competitor and supplement rep.
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(http://www.chilloutpoint.com/images/2010/03/wtf-famili-photos/weird-family-photographs-07.jpg)
look at the guys face on the far right, lmfao where do you find this stuff
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look at the guys face on the far right, lmfao where do you find this stuff
his family album... ;D ;D ;D
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Bob?
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riding the wood
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(http://www.chilloutpoint.com/images/2010/03/wtf-famili-photos/weird-family-photographs-07.jpg)
lolz