How much protein do we REALLY need?

[greeneyes]

I can understand why you'd think that but that's me on my own in a photo...put me next to a guy on tren, winstrol, HGH etc. and I'd pale in comparison. I got very lean and this was the day after a big carb up and posing practice.. normally I was small and flat with no veins.
If you saw me in real life you would see I'm not using which I swear on my life I'm not. I hate "fake natural liars" as much as any of you guys and I've been lied to my face by a few myself, if in the future I cross over to the dark side & post up a pic on getbig I swear I will say so and what.

stfu 

[jubaredondo]

its much less than people in this industry says, i made great gains in periods i ate like shit.

i think the body utilises nutrients much better when it doesnt come in huge proportions.

thats the point
i see too many guys here in brasil walking around with WATERY body, like a big bubble of shit. Them you ask them:
Man, wuts going on?
They say: Duurp, offseason buddy, quero ficar monstro, sinistro. I'm eating 500g of protein every day, 800g of carb, no count the fat. I'll reach 270lb, pode crer, i'll be the next Universe and soon i'll be with my pro card in hands.

All that shit soaked up into the body WITHOUT hGH plus 2g testosterona a week. It's done, the picture off brazilian bodybuilding

[Meso_z]

Thanks, that's the leanest I've gotten so far, I had those BW pics of Dorian yates and Humdullah as my goal  

I weighed in under 154 pounds @ 5,7
waist about 30- 29 -  my pants were falling off me.
Arms   I don't know I've never measured them

Great stats man.

Yes, not the biggest. But they are the ideal stats for a 5'7 guy.

Im 5'7 too and I competed 2 times at this weight a 150-154.

What weight  did you start the diet at? Do you get "fat" offseason?

[falco]

150g to build a normal physique
200g to build a beach physique
300g to build a national competitor physique
+ 450g to be build mr olympia physique

x2

[OptimusPrime1980]

thats the point
i see too many guys here in brasil walking around with WATERY body, like a big bubble of shit. Them you ask them:
Man, wuts going on?
They say: Duurp, offseason buddy, quero ficar monstro, sinistro. I'm eating 500g of protein every day, 800g of carb, no count the fat. I'll reach 270lb, pode crer, i'll be the next Universe and soon i'll be with my pro card in hands.

All that shit soaked up into the body WITHOUT hGH plus 2g testosterona a week. It's done, the picture off brazilian bodybuilding

lolol!!! so true!
brazilians are obsessed with size.... partly due to them being short fuckers!
they take all the durateston and hemogenin they can afford because that brings the mass... yes water and fat!
they eat all the feijoada and rodizio they can afford...take every supplement under the sun, and end up looking like a big pile of shit, thinking they are huge...
at my gym they ask me about my diet... lol.. i say what diet? i do not diet!
how much durateston do i take... lol... test? about 200 mg a week.... and hemo??? that we use as pre contest drugs i tell them, they almost fall over when hearing that, as they think it's a mass builder.
very funny.... lol!
they do not get it, do not understand it's all about the right drugs!
diet = not needed! a lot of test = not needed!
look at the off season pics of 70's bodybuild..... all water and bloofy.... that = the test and dbol look!!
look at the 70's competition pics.... that is primo, low test, eq, winstrol, a lot better look!
water+fat = not muscle.....

[Super Natural]

Great stats man.

Yes, not the biggest. But they are the ideal stats for a 5'7 guy.

Im 5'7 too and I competed 2 times at this weight a 150-154.

What weight  did you start the diet at? Do you get "fat" offseason?

Thanks Mes. Yeah, I'll leave the size game up to other guys, I don’t have the body type for it anyway. Was checking out Wes’s thread Golds Gym - "The Mecca", when it really was "The Mecca"  Now that is inspiring and what bodybuilding is about to me.

I’ve competed since 1994 done 32 shows and been roughly the same weight at all of them. despite going up 30 pounds in the off season (Up to 185 puffy pounds not flabby) . Now I just try stay leaner all year, No more bulking up for me. Just makes for a longer diet to end up the same. The one thing I have learned is to be ready about 6 weeks out and slightly increase carbs and fill out leading into the show (not a lot, like 25g carbs extra  a day 6 weeks out, then add another 25g a day 5 weeks out and so on) instead of beating yourself into the ground right till the end. It allows you to train hard till 2 weeks out and then back off the cardio and heavy weights and cruise in, also I never cut water or salt not necessary for Natties we don’t retain sodium so much when lean low carbs and drinking lots of water. But everyone has their own approach

[OptimusPrime1980]

why is it all these "naturals" always have the need to scream that they are natural?
"supernatural"   
nobody cares that you are to scared to put a needle in your asscheeck.
meanwhile using every prohormone under the sun, and every bullshit supplement... yeah real "supernatural"

fuck off fake natural liar.....

[L.L]

Thanks, that's the leanest I've gotten so far, I had those BW pics of Dorian yates and Humdullah as my goal  

I weighed in under 154 pounds @ 5,7
waist about 30- 29 -  my pants were falling off me.
Arms   I don't know I've never measured them

helluva physique..congrats

[Super Natural]

why is it all these "naturals" always have the need to scream that they are natural?
"supernatural"    
nobody cares that you are to scared to put a needle in your asscheeck.
meanwhile using every prohormone under the sun, and every bullshit supplement... yeah real "supernatural"

fuck off fake natural liar.....

You sound upset

[OptimusPrime1980]

your boyfriend doesn't mind you posting his pics on getbig??
 

[MCWAY]

Ever tried significantly reducing protein intake and replacing those calories with Fats/carbs and noticed that your gains are just as good?  Then you realise less money spent on protein powders,meat etc = more money to spend on gear which = a bigger you.

I have for a long while now felt that some of the protein recomendations of so called 'experts ' is complete bullshit, how much we really need I have no idea... but taking my protein up to 2g per lb or even 1.5 per lb never gave me better gains...

That's why they are recommendations. There's only one way you're going to find out what you need: TRIAL AND ERROR.

The 1 gram/pound of bodyweight is a basic guideline. You can tailor your needs from there. Plus, your needs change over the years. You may not need as much protein (or calories, overall) when you get older, as opposed to when you're younger.

[Dr Dutch]

When not dieting and eating balanced, 150gr a day is enough for almost any bodybuilder. When dieting eat 50-100 grams more.

Says dr Dutch

[CatInHat]

protein is power

[POTA]

Because of an ad on this board i bought this book (the ad was for part 2 but i thought i'd try part 1)

The only reason we are told we need more protein? $$$. Before protein supplements the bodybuilding/weightlifting industry had fuck all to sell. Just barbells. Which last 50 years. Protein powders are needed each month.

I've tried going below 100 grams and noticed no difference. Eating 1+ grams per pound of BW starts adding fat unless the cardio is high.

I think the biggest thing is recovery. As you get stronger and can put more intensity on the body, you need to do less to break down the muscle. Also you need to take breaks to rest the CNS. Nutrition obviously helps recovery but eating enough good nutrients when hungry, not force feeding yourself.

It's a very good book. Fair bit i flipped through as he rambles at times but the main stuff on Weider vs Hoffman and early training ideas is there.

Volume II just came out, if you didn't already know. I've heard really good things about both books. I mentioned them to my parents, so I'm hoping they took that as a Christmas present idea for me.

[Brocty]

Thanks Mes. Yeah, I'll leave the size game up to other guys, I don’t have the body type for it anyway. Was checking out Wes’s thread Golds Gym - "The Mecca", when it really was "The Mecca"  Now that is inspiring and what bodybuilding is about to me.

I’ve competed since 1994 done 32 shows and been roughly the same weight at all of them. despite going up 30 pounds in the off season (Up to 185 puffy pounds not flabby) . Now I just try stay leaner all year, No more bulking up for me. Just makes for a longer diet to end up the same. The one thing I have learned is to be ready about 6 weeks out and slightly increase carbs and fill out leading into the show (not a lot, like 25g carbs extra  a day 6 weeks out, then add another 25g a day 5 weeks out and so on) instead of beating yourself into the ground right till the end. It allows you to train hard till 2 weeks out and then back off the cardio and heavy weights and cruise in, also I never cut water or salt not necessary for Natties we don’t retain sodium so much when lean low carbs and drinking lots of water. But everyone has their own approach

Let me get this right.. You have put the work into 32 shows to diet and prep completely natural, never touched anything for 32 shows, not once.  Seems like the path of a true natural who would never take shit.  I mean, all that fucking work without one damn thing thrown in for assistance.  And now, after 32 shows, you come to us and say you are ready for gear?  Give me a fucking break 

Great condition btw

[Man of Steel]

Thanks, that's the leanest I've gotten so far, I had those BW pics of Dorian yates and Humdullah as my goal 

I weighed in under 154 pounds @ 5,7
waist about 30- 29 -  my pants were falling off me.
Arms  I don't know I've never measured them

Need be less ripped.

[Tito24]

[The Grim Lifter]

Thanks, that's the leanest I've gotten so far, I had those BW pics of Dorian yates and Humdullah as my goal  

I weighed in under 154 pounds @ 5,7
waist about 30- 29 -  my pants were falling off me.
Arms   I don't know I've never measured them

Look friggin great and at 154 i can see you are natural.

[lyquid]

if amy of you remember older kai greeme ideos. He libed im a shit hole. With hallways that smelt like piss. Dirt poor mo furmiature etc.

he was sayimg cuz he didmt kmow amy better but prob cudmt afford it amyways. His first comtest to cut dowm he ate mothimg but bread amd water lol.

sooo who kmows. I beleie it guy is poor or was poor as fuck

[Rami]

I would aim to get at least 40g, if you wanna be on the safe side!

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I think 1.5g is perfect for growth and 1g is ok for maintenance/cutting

[chess315]

I think 1.5g is perfect for growth and 1g is ok for maintenance/cutting

agree if your eating a normal balanced diet and not restricting other macros with there is not much point in imo

[The True Adonis]

About time you people are starting to get it.

[Nomad]

Thanks, that's the leanest I've gotten so far, I had those BW pics of Dorian yates and Humdullah as my goal  

I weighed in under 154 pounds @ 5,7
waist about 30- 29 -  my pants were falling off me.
Arms   I don't know I've never measured them

Lookin great....this is an awesome pic to illustrate the meaning "bodybuilding is all illusion". When you are shredded you look bigger and stronger vs more bf.

Striated glutes tho....clen? ephedrina?

[gh15]

5'7 150lb is natural number,,maybe some halodrol and some over fat burner in the grey area which are steroids indeed but over all 150lb 5'7 is natural number for fellw with average bone size,, the truth of the mater is that every fella now day use halodrl or something ,,most fellas use fat burners to get into condition if natural ,, they woudnt be able to do it otherwize,

but yes this fella is as close to natural as you will get friends

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