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Title: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on December 26, 2011, 01:01:47 AM
Ok so I thought it would be a good idea to start this thread about how we have our own methods of combating the side effects caused by gear, and other things we take to help our progression in bodybuilding.

1. Anxiety
Xanax or efexor xl work very well, Xanax are supposedly addictive though

2. Cholesterol
One guy here uses niacin each night, I use lecithin granules in my food twice a day and cholesterol is ideal

3. Eating more
Marijuana is used by many pros but a lot of us have fulltime jobs and can't go around stoned 24\7, gh15 recommends digestive enzymes with each meal and I like pineapple with each meal

4. Liver protection
Milk thistle as far as I know is most people's choice

5. Kidney protection
I dunno, I'd like some insight here

6. Low sex drive
Proviron at 100mg a day will sort this out

7. Spots
Never get them myself but light spots could be solved by sunbed use, heavy spot problems might take roactane

Feel free to add your own things to this thread
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: ironneck on December 26, 2011, 01:08:25 AM
is low sex drive the result of any roid except testo?
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on December 26, 2011, 01:12:32 AM
Deca in nandrolone decanoate form kills my sex drive, nandralone phenlypropionate and I've no problem
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: ironneck on December 26, 2011, 01:27:45 AM
i wanted to try tren for my planned cycle but gonna start with a friend of mine and hes to scared because of the libido thing so we agreed on testo
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: kreator on December 26, 2011, 02:21:11 AM
i wanted to try tren for my planned cycle but gonna start with a friend of mine and hes to scared because of the libido thing so we agreed on testo

i thought tren was supposed to make you a sexual T-rex
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: ironneck on December 26, 2011, 02:22:11 AM
ive read that tren makes your libido go to zero thats why most people stack it with testo
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: notsureifsrs on December 26, 2011, 02:59:09 AM
Cholesterol, lipids etc... -
all what you mentioned above + Fish oil

Liver protection -
Pineapple juice
Cranberry juice

Eating more -
all what you mentioned above + less 'clean' food


Low sex drive -
Proviron starting from the low 25mg (if legit it will do the job)
high dose of test
gh15 recommended once to use halo in this case

Spots -
B5, peroxide Benzoyl



Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Omega on December 26, 2011, 03:03:50 AM
Kidneys - Liv 52
Heart - CQ10
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: SamsonD on December 26, 2011, 03:14:14 AM
I eat a can of pinneaple bits almost every morning and it keeps me cleaned out and hungry the rest of the day it seems like.  I have a glass or two of orange and pinneaple juice also per day.

GH helps almost completely with trensomnia.  If you have legit tren your dick will be hard all day long.

I don't get anxiety from tren or EQ, athough I do get pretty aggressive if my test is high and or on tren.  I use jedi fucking mind tricks and deep breathing to get over that shit though.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: WillGrant on December 26, 2011, 04:01:30 AM
ive read that tren makes your libido go to zero thats why most people stack it with testo
You wont know till you try mate.. Long esters give me limp dick so test and tren e but fast esters like test prop and tren A give me 24/7 wood and want to fuck any girl that moves - same drug but differing effect , lots say this is not possible but it happens to me and I know lots of other guys that have the same issue.. Cialis is good when using long esters but not needed with short ones  :D


Anyone know of anything to combat painful pumps in the forearms/hands ? First time Im upto 600mg of tren A - have always stayed at 400mg because of sides but third exercise into my back/chest workout tonight and I couldnt pick up the DBs on 2nd set of inclines , pump was so painful  :-\ - if theres nothing then I'll have to drop back to 400mgs  :-[
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: deceiver on December 26, 2011, 04:16:26 AM
What about high bp and excess bloat?
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: DK II on December 26, 2011, 04:21:32 AM
What about high bp and excess bloat?

Cardio and eating less carbs should help.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on December 26, 2011, 04:27:31 AM
What about high bp and excess bloat?
Arimidex helps me with bloat but I never get high bp so I can't help you there man
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Cleanest Natural on December 26, 2011, 04:32:00 AM
I was never able to cope with sides when I tried bid dosages .. some people cope better. I ain't one of them. Viagra.. pain killers ... you falln into narcotics and it's just a fucked up cult.

You basically switch your body to run on synthetic everything just to look a certain way. Think about it honest long and hard and tell me if it is not retarded to do that to yourself.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on December 26, 2011, 04:35:24 AM
I know it's retarded, but hey we all have our insanities. Some of my friends fight Mma and the injuries and shit they go through and they don't even get paid and will never make the UFC. We all have to have our stupid shit, normality is wrong
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: L.L on December 26, 2011, 04:37:14 AM
excellent post Imako..im one of those who take niacin and a baby aspirin  nightly...no low sex drive here becasue i dont fuck with progestins..also besides proviron , a low dose of stan  daily or eod will free up test big time. I think it does a much better job than proviron if you ask me
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: L.L on December 26, 2011, 04:41:27 AM
What about high bp and excess bloat?

for high bp ,the  natural way 2 go is to take Hawthorne Berry and for the bloat aromasin at 12.5 eod does the job for me...also clean your diet, and drink at least a gallon of water daily, fatty.. ;D
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Borracho on December 26, 2011, 04:54:20 AM
Ok so I thought it would be a good idea to start this thread about how we have our own methods of combating the side effects caused by gear, and other things we take to help our progression in bodybuilding.

1. Anxiety
Xanax or efexor xl work very well, Xanax are supposedly addictive though

2. Cholesterol
One guy here uses niacin each night, I use lecithin granules in my food twice a day and cholesterol is ideal

3. Eating more
Marijuana is used by many pros but a lot of us have fulltime jobs and can't go around stoned 24\7, gh15 recommends digestive enzymes with each meal and I like pineapple with each meal

4. Liver protection
Milk thistle as far as I know is most people's choice

5. Kidney protection
I dunno, I'd like some insight here

6. Low sex drive
Proviron at 100mg a day will sort this out

7. Spots
Never get them myself but light spots could be solved by sunbed use, heavy spot problems might take roactane

Feel free to add your own things to this thread

WATER
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: local hero on December 26, 2011, 05:08:00 AM
baby asprin or the coated 75mg asprin is the only thing i use along side a cycle...


some of what has been mentioned can cause problems in its self, milk thistle is also toxic
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: deadz on December 26, 2011, 06:16:24 AM
Lower cholesterol with Red Yeast Rice. Mine went from 220 to 170 in three months.
Fish oil to help raise HDL

Kidney Health-Maintain BP

Liver Health- Milk thistle

Acne-Reduce DHT

Hair Loss- Propecia

Prostate-Saw Palmetto
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: BIG_STI on December 26, 2011, 07:28:35 AM
Doesn't Niacin become liver toxic after a few weeks?
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Big Worm on December 26, 2011, 07:33:18 AM
i wanted to try tren for my planned cycle but gonna start with a friend of mine and hes to scared because of the libido thing so we agreed on testo
You guys and your Phucking drugs..I take this to fix that bvllsh!t.! Look good for the ladies,but my d!ck is broken..? LOL.. How about work out hard and everything is normal..?
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: chaos on December 26, 2011, 07:38:15 AM
Lol...I'm all for people doing whatever they want but damn I'm glad I never used steroids, reading about all the shit you have to take and do just for temporary gains is insane.

Fuck that noise!
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Swlabr on December 26, 2011, 07:56:04 AM
good...thread...thanks.. .a...lot...
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: che on December 26, 2011, 07:57:13 AM
Lol...I'm all for people doing whatever they want but damn I'm glad I never used steroids, reading about all the shit you have to take and do just for temporary gains is insane.

Fuck that noise!

X 2 .
 I've never used steroids because I was always terrified of the side effects and I'm not talking about ,high blood pressure ,heart ,liver  or kidney problems ....etc .  I'm talking about  acne , losing my hair , stretch marks, varicose veins .....etc .

Vain much  ???

Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: L.L on December 26, 2011, 09:25:49 AM
Lol...I'm all for people doing whatever they want but damn I'm glad I never used steroids, reading about all the shit you have to take and do just for temporary gains is insane.

Fuck that noise!

lol @ temporary gains;....i never come off ,son..lol
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: chaos on December 26, 2011, 09:37:53 AM
At this point you probably CAN'T come off. :( you'll forever be visiting some shady dealer in the gym shower or some dark alley behind the trash cans. :(
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: el numero uno on December 26, 2011, 09:39:09 AM
High libido: your mom
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Voland on December 26, 2011, 09:44:37 AM
If i die, i die.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_f4Fo_GlfJs8/RvCXUAdsPDI/AAAAAAAAAMA/eLnIc7I8o2s/s400/ivan_drago.gif)
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Voland on December 26, 2011, 09:51:49 AM
- low sex drive (19-nor related) : Proviron + caber + cialias/viagra if needed.
- high bp: cardio, stay away from orals and excess weight (bloat) thus use Adex o aromasin.
- acne: No dairy or gluten what so ever in your diet. Wash you body with a good soap 4-5ph (or dish wash soap if you are cheap) and keep you skin moist.
- Liver: stay away from orals, winstrol and use milk thristle and/or Liv52
- Kidney: pineapple and cranberry juice. Control your bp.
- anxiety: you can use benzos and/or beta-blockers (this will also help stabilize bp).
- Insomnia: benzos unless you are doing GH, up the GH and have a sweet and hot food before bed. Like waffles with hot chocolate. 
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: nosleep on December 26, 2011, 09:56:21 AM
I WON'T RESORT TO ANY OTC MEDICATIONS OR PRESCRIPTIONS. WHEN SHIT ARISES I HAVE A STASH TO UNLEASH JUST NATURAL STUFF AND MORE AAS!!

HAIR THINNING:

COCONUT OIL

ACNE:

VITAMIN B5
3-5G'S A DAY

LIBIDO:
CLOMID 50MG EOD AND/OR PROVIRON 25-50MG ED

HIGH BP:
CHILL ON THE CARBS, UP CARDIO, STAY AWAY FROM ORALS

LIVER HEALTH:
STAY AWAY FROM ALCOHOL, EAT FOODS THAT DO YOUR LIVER GOOD

DIGESTION:
PYSLLIUM HUSK FIBER 5G BEFORE BED, GREEN TEA
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: LittleJ on December 26, 2011, 10:00:27 AM
Lol...I'm all for people doing whatever they want but damn I'm glad I never used steroids, reading about all the shit you have to take and do just for temporary gains is insane.

Fuck that noise!

I'm glad you didnt listen to Milos!
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on December 26, 2011, 10:04:28 AM
Lol...I'm all for people doing whatever they want but damn I'm glad I never used steroids, reading about all the shit you have to take and do just for temporary gains is insane.

Fuck that noise!

The most idiotic users are the ones who come off. When contemplating taking steroids, you should either do it forever, or not at all. Temporary gains and coming off is completely pointless and a great way to drive someone mentally insane. I want to cry anytime someone on bb.com PM's me (like 5x per day) asking me about their "cycle" and pct advice.

- low sex drive (19-nor related) : Proviron + caber + cialias/viagra if needed.
- high bp: cardio, stay away from orals and excess weight (bloat) thus use Adex o aromasin.
- acne: No dairy or gluten what so ever in your diet. Wash you body with a good soap 4-5ph (or dish wash soap if you are cheap) and keep you skin moist.
- Liver: stay away from orals, winstrol and use milk thristle and/or Liv52
- Kidney: pineapple and cranberry juice. Control your bp.
- anxiety: you can use benzos and/or beta-blockers (this will also help stabilize bp).
- Insomnia: benzos unless you are doing GH, up the GH and have a sweet and hot food before bed. Like waffles with hot chocolate. 


very good post
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: LittleJ on December 26, 2011, 10:55:11 AM
How good is cialis?
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Natural Man on December 26, 2011, 11:30:52 AM
If i die, i die.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_f4Fo_GlfJs8/RvCXUAdsPDI/AAAAAAAAAMA/eLnIc7I8o2s/s400/ivan_drago.gif)

you re quite the educated intellectual it seems. Great philosophical references.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Natural Man on December 26, 2011, 11:31:41 AM
X 2 .
 I've never used steroids because I was always terrified of the side effects and I'm not talking about ,high blood pressure ,heart ,liver  or kidney problems ....etc .  I'm talking about  acne , losing my hair , stretch marks, varicose veins .....etc .

Vain much  ???


well again..when you have NOTHING else in your life going on...
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: chaos on December 26, 2011, 11:34:33 AM
Ubertwat have you seen che's wife? Granted she's a fat pig now after following the Adonis principles for 8 weeks but I have faith that che will whip her into chep right quick and be back to posting pics of her ass for the enjoyment of his fellow getbiggers!
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: che on December 26, 2011, 11:58:09 AM
Ubertwat have you seen che's wife? Granted she's a fat pig now after following the Adonis principles for 8 weeks but I have faith that che will whip her into chep right quick and be back to posting pics of her ass for the enjoyment of his fellow getbiggers!

Adonis fucking sucks  >:(
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Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: dj181 on December 26, 2011, 12:48:33 PM
How good is cialis?

I took some a few weeks back, and it kept johnny at attention for bout 72 hrs. No I wasn't pitching a tent for 72 hrs straight, but one or two strokes and he was ready to go ;D
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Ex Coelis on December 26, 2011, 03:41:23 PM
How good is cialis?

Jesus Himself must own the patent
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: deadz on December 26, 2011, 07:16:59 PM
How good is cialis?
Sides suck but it works.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: lyquid on December 26, 2011, 07:23:32 PM
Deca in nandrolone decanoate form kills my sex drive, nandralone phenlypropionate and I've no problem

habe you tried deca without test. Test deca kills mime to.

deca right mow deca dbol through the roof. Dick gets alot bigger to from bloodflow like always but am rock hard all the time.

feels great. Cept with mo test I am super tired all fuckimg day where test gibes me emergy. Amd deca gibimg me bad huge sore as fuck pimples. Few... Like ome or two they just hurt alot. Test just gabe me small acme.

but my libido is really good odlly emuff go figure
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: king on December 26, 2011, 07:27:16 PM
Ok so I thought it would be a good idea to start this thread about how we have our own methods of combating the side effects caused by gear, and other things we take to help our progression in bodybuilding.

1. Anxiety
Xanax or efexor xl work very well, Xanax are supposedly addictive though

2. Cholesterol
One guy here uses niacin each night, I use lecithin granules in my food twice a day and cholesterol is ideal

3. Eating more
Marijuana is used by many pros but a lot of us have fulltime jobs and can't go around stoned 24\7, gh15 recommends digestive enzymes with each meal and I like pineapple with each meal

4. Liver protection
Milk thistle as far as I know is most people's choice

5. Kidney protection
I dunno, I'd like some insight here

6. Low sex drive
Proviron at 100mg a day will sort this out

7. Spots
Never get them myself but light spots could be solved by sunbed use, heavy spot problems might take roactane

Feel free to add your own things to this thread


What is it about pineapples that makes you able to eat more?
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: lyquid on December 26, 2011, 07:38:19 PM

What is it about pineapples that makes you able to eat more?

I maybe mot right but. I thimk pimeapple has alo of emzymes im it to help digestiom amd also aids the liber. Which healthy liber gibes amazimg appetite. So two for ome.

maybe wromg just wut I recall readimg yrs ago
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: L.L on December 26, 2011, 07:50:22 PM
At this point you probably CAN'T come off. :( you'll forever be visiting some shady dealer in the gym shower or some dark alley behind the trash cans. :(

lol..most likely yes but the satisfaction I get knowing your girlfriends pussy get soooo wet when I walk by is PRICELESS. ;)
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: njflex on December 26, 2011, 08:01:37 PM
lol..most likely yes but the satisfaction I get knowing your girlfriends pussy get soooo wet when I walk by is PRICELESS. ;)
damn,,,
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: lyquid on December 26, 2011, 08:13:08 PM
lol..most likely yes but the satisfaction I get knowing your girlfriends pussy get soooo wet when I walk by is PRICELESS. ;)

I womt ebem demy it. Its true beyomd belief. Omly imsecure guys will demy it. If there's a leam huge guy. There fuckim starimg amd guys r to beimg jealous .

just like I stare at a girl with bigger tits.. Thicker roumder watermelloms bustimg out of a shirt.

gauremtee amy girl is starimg at arms amd hest bustimg outta shirts. Gramted I thimk I hold my owm aroumd my area. But whem you see tht guy slimpimps size ill be lookimg at my girl tryma see if she's lookimg.

ull habe the good girls that say ew that's to big its gross. To make you feel better. But whay that meams is I'd lobe to get mam hamdled by that big sob haha
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Stavios on December 26, 2011, 08:40:51 PM
Lol...I'm all for people doing whatever they want but damn I'm glad I never used steroids, reading about all the shit you have to take and do just for temporary gains is insane.

Fuck that noise!

x2

i wish i never started

but like they say, once you go black you never go back
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Stavios on December 26, 2011, 08:44:54 PM
How good is cialis?

awesome but it gives me HUGE acid reflux if I take it too often

Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: disco_stu on December 26, 2011, 08:48:28 PM
Ok so I thought it would be a good idea to start this thread about how we have our own methods of combating the side effects caused by gear, and other things we take to help our progression in bodybuilding.

1. Anxiety
Xanax or efexor xl work very well, Xanax are supposedly addictive though

2. Cholesterol
One guy here uses niacin each night, I use lecithin granules in my food twice a day and cholesterol is ideal

3. Eating more
Marijuana is used by many pros but a lot of us have fulltime jobs and can't go around stoned 24\7, gh15 recommends digestive enzymes with each meal and I like pineapple with each meal

4. Liver protection
Milk thistle as far as I know is most people's choice

5. Kidney protection
I dunno, I'd like some insight here

6. Low sex drive
Proviron at 100mg a day will sort this out

7. Spots
Never get them myself but light spots could be solved by sunbed use, heavy spot problems might take roactane

Feel free to add your own things to this thread

Xanax is a nasty drug not to be messed with- especially if you dont have the actual indications its meant for. You are absolutely nutso taking something like that to "combat sides".. you will rewire your brain permanently.

Milk Thistle has NEVER been proven to do shit. The only sites that make claims it is useful are naturapathy sites. Proper studies have concluded its completely useless.

marijuana might make u hungry, but it robs u of discipline and makes u think u are trying harder than u are. its another drug that will rewire your brain permanently.

if you resort to roaccutane then u are also completely bonkers. That shit is responsible for suicide in some users. Mix that up with the dope and the xanax and the hormones and u are dicing with disaster.

It blows me away how simple people put 1 and 1 together and come up with 5. err, derrr, xanax is good for anxiety so lets take it...fuckn dumb asses. if it were that simple then doctors wouldnt need 8+ years of study to understand the complexities.

totally irresponsible thread.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: lyquid on December 26, 2011, 08:49:20 PM
x2

i wish i never started

but like they say, once you go black you never go back

what take that back
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: disco_stu on December 26, 2011, 08:49:43 PM
- low sex drive (19-nor related) : Proviron + caber + cialias/viagra if needed.
- high bp: cardio, stay away from orals and excess weight (bloat) thus use Adex o aromasin.
- acne: No dairy or gluten what so ever in your diet. Wash you body with a good soap 4-5ph (or dish wash soap if you are cheap) and keep you skin moist.
- Liver: stay away from orals, winstrol and use milk thristle and/or Liv52
- Kidney: pineapple and cranberry juice. Control your bp.
- anxiety: you can use benzos and/or beta-blockers (this will also help stabilize bp).
- Insomnia: benzos unless you are doing GH, up the GH and have a sweet and hot food before bed. Like waffles with hot chocolate. 


another bullshit post.
the pseudo science is scary.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Stavios on December 26, 2011, 08:51:55 PM
what take that back

haha

honnestly I wish I wouldn't give a shit about how I look or how strong I am

but hey, that's the way I am so give me the cc's  8)
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: apply85 on December 26, 2011, 08:54:25 PM
i think if u really focus then u can overcome the mental sides
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: lyquid on December 26, 2011, 09:00:52 PM
haha

honnestly I wish I wouldn't give a shit about how I look or how strong I am

but hey, that's the way I am so give me the cc's  8)

go blemd im like a sheep im a flock. You domt deserbe to be like moderm day armold. Cummimg day amd might.

I kmow its shitty cause its om ur mimd twemty four sebem. But I'm sure its dome so much for right. I kmow for me brought me alot of pussy amd respect amd alot of bomers.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: ChristopherA on December 26, 2011, 09:09:42 PM
Xanax is a nasty drug not to be messed with- especially if you dont have the actual indications its meant for. You are absolutely nutso taking something like that to "combat sides".. you will rewire your brain permanently.

Milk Thistle has NEVER been proven to do shit. The only sites that make claims it is useful are naturapathy sites. Proper studies have concluded its completely useless.

marijuana might make u hungry, but it robs u of discipline and makes u think u are trying harder than u are. its another drug that will rewire your brain permanently.

if you resort to roaccutane then u are also completely bonkers. That shit is responsible for suicide in some users. Mix that up with the dope and the xanax and the hormones and u are dicing with disaster.

It blows me away how simple people put 1 and 1 together and come up with 5. err, derrr, xanax is good for anxiety so lets take it...fuckn dumb asses. if it were that simple then doctors wouldnt need 8+ years of study to understand the complexities.

totally irresponsible thread.
Yeah pot rewires your brain. Fucking retard post of the year
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: no one on December 26, 2011, 09:09:54 PM
I know for myself it will be time to throttle back when I need to take chemicals and compounds to combat the sides from chemicals and compounds I'm already taking.

I have no aspirations to turn pro. the older I get, the happier I become with the way I look.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: efanhowz on December 26, 2011, 11:07:56 PM
no one has mentioned nizoral (ketoconazole 2%) for hair loss prevention. shampoo that blocks dht at the scalp.
i take 10g fish oil at night
liv 52 6 pills a day
on/off accutane bc i can tolerate it and its not a big deal to me
take temazepam ( a benzo) on nights i cant sleep, another drug that just gets the job done for meand knocks me out, will be good next time i run tren
switch between nolva and aromasin for estrogen control. this is the only thing i wonder about the long term damage

it all comes down to is this worth it to look the way you do? for me absolutely, i am much more confident and outgoing bc of my above average physical appearance. combating side effects is part of the game and if you cant handle it, then dont jame the needle. only you can can decide for yourself and i think its rediculous when outsiders judge your situation, especially if you are happy and they cant walk a step in your shoes like juicing-eating-training

Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: dj181 on December 27, 2011, 05:09:22 AM
Xanax is a nasty drug not to be messed with- especially if you dont have the actual indications its meant for. You are absolutely nutso taking something like that to "combat sides".. you will rewire your brain permanently.

Really? I took Xanax for a bit and it seemed rather mild to me. Also, it's not an addictive drug, at least in my case it wasn't.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Meso_z on December 27, 2011, 06:16:54 AM
How to "combat" sides? Just dont use.
Its crazy, if you think youre gonna spend your whole life "combating" sides with scam "herbs" and other pschycotropic drugs on top of the drugs you already use...well go on.  ::)
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: makaveli25 on December 27, 2011, 06:38:48 AM
Xanax is a nasty drug not to be messed with- especially if you dont have the actual indications its meant for. You are absolutely nutso taking something like that to "combat sides".. you will rewire your brain permanently.

Milk Thistle has NEVER been proven to do shit. The only sites that make claims it is useful are naturapathy sites. Proper studies have concluded its completely useless.

marijuana might make u hungry, but it robs u of discipline and makes u think u are trying harder than u are. its another drug that will rewire your brain permanently.

if you resort to roaccutane then u are also completely bonkers. That shit is responsible for suicide in some users. Mix that up with the dope and the xanax and the hormones and u are dicing with disaster.

It blows me away how simple people put 1 and 1 together and come up with 5. err, derrr, xanax is good for anxiety so lets take it...fuckn dumb asses. if it were that simple then doctors wouldnt need 8+ years of study to understand the complexities.

totally irresponsible thread.


 ::)

Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: BIG_STI on December 27, 2011, 07:23:13 AM
How to "combat" sides? Just dont use.
Its crazy, if you think youre gonna spend your whole life "combating" sides with scam "herbs" and other pschycotropic drugs on top of the drugs you already use...well go on.  ::)

You are Natty scum
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Meso_z on December 27, 2011, 07:24:57 AM
You are Natty scum
Im not "natty"... "clean" I would say. Theres a difference.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Omega on December 27, 2011, 07:37:52 AM
Really? I took Xanax for a bit and it seemed rather mild to me. Also, it's not an addictive drug, at least in my case it wasn't.

I am exactly the same.
Mental midgets will always be susceptible to anything the way I figure.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on December 27, 2011, 07:44:45 AM
I've never used Xanax but heard it's addictive. I suppose weak minds get addicted to anything easily
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Ex Coelis on December 27, 2011, 07:50:07 AM
bacne - have wife pop zitz and squeeze out black-heads
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Meso_z on December 27, 2011, 07:52:59 AM
I've never used Xanax but heard it's addictive. I suppose weak minds get addicted to anything easily
Ive used only a box 0.25mg a pill. The lightest dose.

I "consumed" the whole box in a matter of 3-4 months, whenever I had anxiety issues. Never got "addicted" but will never use it again, no need to.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Stavios on December 27, 2011, 07:55:19 AM
I know for myself it will be time to throttle back when I need to take chemicals and compounds to combat the sides from chemicals and compounds I'm already taking.

I have no aspirations to turn pro. the older I get, the happier I become with the way I look.

x2
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: matrixgh on December 27, 2011, 07:57:24 AM
I am surprise no one has mention about prostate health, which is most important then anything else when you on ass, cause every one have enlarged prostate and no one of you pay attention to it.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on December 27, 2011, 08:15:56 AM
I am surprise no one has mention about prostate health, which is most important then anything else when you on ass, cause every one have enlarged prostate and no one of you pay attention to it.
Saw palmetto?
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: abijahmaniaco on December 27, 2011, 08:23:30 AM
2. Cholesterol
One guy here uses niacin each night, I use lecithin granules in my food twice a day and cholesterol is ideal

yes, niacin is one of many. i take these every day morning and night: yed yeast rice, niacin, policosanols, guggul lipids, garlic, and fenugreek
i got the tip on those from an article about combating cholesterol while on sauce by William Llewellyn

also dietarily, minimize simple carbs + saturated fats, and consume plenty of EFA's/fish oils.

3. Eating more
Marijuana is used by many pros but a lot of us have fulltime jobs and can't go around stoned 24\7, gh15 recommends digestive enzymes with each meal and I like pineapple with each meal

kiwi also contains digestive enzymes. mix it up.

4. Liver protection
Milk thistle as far as I know is most people's choice

yes, milk thistle is first line of defense. dandelion root, there are some others.
i take this: http://www.nowfoods.com/Supplements/Products-by-Category/Detox-Support/M043326.htm

or just avoid orals steroids is best imo

6. Low sex drive
Proviron at 100mg a day will sort this out

yes, proviron is amazing. i take 50 mg a day and my sex drive has never been higher. it's also not liver toxic! :)
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: LittleJ on December 27, 2011, 08:30:08 AM
Any food I eat fucks up my stomach. I tried pineapple but it didn't seem to work :-\
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Big Worm on December 27, 2011, 08:30:18 AM
I am exactly the same.
Mental midgets will always be susceptible to anything the way I figure.
SO... You're no mental midget...?  So why'd you have to take it in the first place..?
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: matrixgh on December 27, 2011, 08:39:57 AM
I think saw plamento is very weak, and it does not do anything when your prostate are inflamed from androgen's. so I thing quercetin with pineapple juice or bromelain are better and safer choice. For other side effect like insomnia, mood or feeling tired and lethargic -  GH is the key.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on December 27, 2011, 08:57:20 AM
I womt ebem demy it. Its true beyomd belief. Omly imsecure guys will demy it. If there's a leam huge guy. There fuckim starimg amd guys r to beimg jealous .

just like I stare at a girl with bigger tits.. Thicker roumder watermelloms bustimg out of a shirt.

gauremtee amy girl is starimg at arms amd hest bustimg outta shirts. Gramted I thimk I hold my owm aroumd my area. But whem you see tht guy slimpimps size ill be lookimg at my girl tryma see if she's lookimg.

ull habe the good girls that say ew that's to big its gross. To make you feel better. But whay that meams is I'd lobe to get mam hamdled by that big sob haha

very true. It is incredibly satisfying to be fucking a girl and see the look on her face when she rubs your arms, back, abs, etc. lol @ virgins thinking girls don't like big muscle
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: aesthetics on December 27, 2011, 09:05:53 AM
very true. It is incredibly satisfying to be fucking a girl and see the look on her face when she rubs your arms, back, abs, etc. lol @ virgins thinking girls don't like big muscle

it helps with 1 night stands but for getting a steady girl friend, at least the kind of women i would date, none of them care about how ripped a guy is, which is really disappointing because that means it will require more effort and worst of all, money, on my part.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: abijahmaniaco on December 27, 2011, 10:35:43 AM
very true. It is incredibly satisfying to be fucking a girl and see the look on her face when she rubs your arms, back, abs, etc. lol @ virgins thinking girls don't like big muscle

they do. they slobber all over you if you are ripped. their pussy is dripping when they see you in the gym. the bigger the better yes, but only if ripped. the big bloofy gym rat look is not desirable.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on December 27, 2011, 12:24:24 PM
it helps with 1 night stands but for getting a steady girl friend, at least the kind of women i would date, none of them care about how ripped a guy is, which is really disappointing because that means it will require more effort and worst of all, money, on my part.

I wouldn't say they dont care. They would prefer a big jacked ripped guy, but they won't discriminate against a guy who isn't (which is what you say). This goes for both one nighters and relationships. But yea two girls I am currently dating beg me to send pics of my "muscles" via text. It feels awesome

they do. they slobber all over you if you are ripped. their pussy is dripping when they see you in the gym. the bigger the better yes, but only if ripped. the big bloofy gym rat look is not desirable.

quoted for truth. I can tell who doesn't know what they are talking about when they say something other than this.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: aesthetics on December 27, 2011, 12:44:46 PM
I wouldn't say they dont care. They would prefer a big jacked ripped guy, but they won't discriminate against a guy who isn't (which is what you say). This goes for both one nighters and relationships. But yea two girls I am currently dating beg me to send pics of my "muscles" via text. It feels awesome

yeah, i have to say you feel like the greatest person on the planet when girls ask to feel up your biceps or your abs, lmao. having a really well defined adonis belt, the V that forms on the lower portion of your abs, is the best way to slay pussy. too bad i'm "fat" now, and no longer have it. i just can't bring myself to diet anymore. i really need to get some more dnp because i no longer have the discipline required to stay really shredded.

i probably go after different women than you but i've heard on few occasions from women that they are frightened and turned off by big and jacked guys, but i think women's definition of what is big and jacked is different from ours. i think the ideal male bodytype for a majority of women would probably be someone like brad pitt in fight club or zyzz, which is mega twinkish by everyone's standards here.  
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on December 27, 2011, 12:59:14 PM
yeah, i have to say you feel like the greatest person on the planet when girls ask to feel up your biceps or your abs, lmao. having a really well defined adonis belt, the V that forms on the lower portion of your abs, is the best way to slay pussy. too bad i'm "fat" now, and no longer have it. i just can't bring myself to diet anymore. i really need to get some more dnp because i no longer have the discipline required to stay really shredded.

i probably go after different women than you but i've heard on few occasions from women that they are frightened and turned off by big and jacked guys, but i think women's definition of what is big and jacked is different from ours. i think the ideal male bodytype for a majority of women would probably be someone like brad pitt in fight club or zyzz, which is mega twinkish by everyone's standards here.  

Well it depends what they are referring to when they say "big and jacked guys", as you pointed out yourself. A guy competing in the olympia is too big for females, but someone shredded with a good size (a little bigger than zyzz's size) is ideal for most. Too bloated or fat doesn't impress them unless you are wearing a tight shirt or something. Vascularity and size (not to a point) is perfect
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: hematocritter on December 27, 2011, 01:08:53 PM
It shocks me how much this comes up. Women like lean, tall, handsome men.
Not shreded/ripped (to me that means veins, striations, etc. Gross to most women).
They don't like monstrous midgets, bald men, etc.

Women have spoken already.
Ryan Reynolds
Brad Pitt in fight club
David Beckham


I am amazed at how many people dedicate themselves to diet, drugs, training, etc
for women. If you want to bang women, spend your time making money. That is all
they really care about.

If you are looking for love, you don't need to do anything but love a woman
genuinely....and they will love you just for that.

So to simplify....
want to bang chicks - get money, fuck looks
want to be in love - be genuine and be yourself.

If it men you are after, then resume your drug, training, and diet regiment.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on December 27, 2011, 01:45:13 PM
It shocks me how much this comes up. Women like lean, tall, handsome men.
Not shreded/ripped (to me that means veins, striations, etc. Gross to most women).
They don't like monstrous midgets, bald men, etc.

Women have spoken already.
Ryan Reynolds
Brad Pitt in fight club
David Beckham


I am amazed at how many people dedicate themselves to diet, drugs, training, etc
for women. If you want to bang women, spend your time making money. That is all
they really care about.

If you are looking for love, you don't need to do anything but love a woman
genuinely....and they will love you just for that.

So to simplify....
want to bang chicks - get money, fuck looks
want to be in love - be genuine and be yourself.

If it men you are after, then resume your drug, training, and diet regiment.

See, this is why you don't know what you are talking about. You go by what women "say" in stupid polls or tabloids. You need to experience them in multiple quantities to truly know what they want. A girl will say beckham has a great body only because it is david beckham! Put another guy with the same body and they wont find it impressive!
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Stavios on December 27, 2011, 01:49:34 PM
Lmao, the last people who know what women want are women themself ! They say what they think they want, but the sad thing is they think wrong.

Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Voland on December 27, 2011, 02:05:25 PM
See, this is why you don't know what you are talking about. You go by what women "say" in stupid polls or tabloids. You need to experience them in multiple quantities to truly know what they want. A girl will say beckham has a great body only because it is david beckham! Put another guy with the same body and they wont find it impressive!

All women are attracted to a certain personality. Once their get hooked to it then whatever you looks are they will dig them.
Examples: when i wear a long religion of peace beard. to her friend who is also my friend "...he looks like a terrorist" after knowing me "i love that beard, you look like a pirate mmmm".
some more "...you're kinda short" (i am) months later "i dig short boys like you, short and muscular" me "yes! like a pittbull, right?" "aww pitt, love them!!"

btw im broke as shit and have a face only a mother could love.

Looks don't matter shit.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: hematocritter on December 27, 2011, 02:09:46 PM
See, this is why you don't know what you are talking about. You go by what women "say" in stupid polls or tabloids. You need to experience them in multiple quantities to truly know what they want. A girl will say beckham has a great body only because it is david beckham! Put another guy with the same body and they wont find it impressive!

You make a good point.

I have gotten laid plenty though. I don't know why. I never bought bitches anything even when I made good money,
and I was never tall or really handsome. I just got laid when I went out drinking, it was easy.
It doesn't really matter anyway, the main point I wanted to get across in my post is that doing stuff like weightlifting
to get laid is dumb.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: wes on December 27, 2011, 02:09:48 PM
Lmao, the last people who know what women want are women themself ! They say what they think they want, but the sad thing is they think wrong.


^THIS^
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: apply85 on December 27, 2011, 06:12:48 PM
Lmao, the last people who know what women want are women themself ! They say what they think they want, but the sad thing is they think wrong.



!
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Natural Man on December 27, 2011, 06:52:55 PM
It shocks me how much this comes up. Women like lean, tall, handsome men.
Not shreded/ripped (to me that means veins, striations, etc. Gross to most women).
They don't like monstrous midgets, bald men, etc.

Women have spoken already.
Ryan Reynolds
Brad Pitt in fight club
David Beckham


I am amazed at how many people dedicate themselves to diet, drugs, training, etc
for women.

they dont do it for women, but to impress other... men.

Women are suposed to be told by their man "what they want".
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: che on December 27, 2011, 06:55:54 PM
they dont do it for women, but to impress other... men.

Women are suposed to be told by their man "what they want".

Shut up dummy.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: el numero uno on December 28, 2011, 08:23:58 AM
they dont do it for women, but to impress other... men.

Women are suposed to be told by their man "what they want".

Then this would include you, as far as I remember you have a good natural base, kinda hard to maintain that physique naturally. So, is there something you wanna tell us?
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: L.L on December 28, 2011, 08:27:37 AM
they dont do it for women, but to impress other... men.

Women are suposed to be told by their man "what they want".

lol..Tiny Ubber cracks me up. ;D
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 28, 2011, 08:33:07 AM
the only person you should be lifting weights for is yourself. If I was stranded on a desert island for the rest of my life...I would make weights out of coconuts and shit and still work out.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: closeline on December 28, 2011, 08:35:22 AM
Xanax is a nasty drug not to be messed with- especially if you dont have the actual indications its meant for. You are absolutely nutso taking something like that to "combat sides".. you will rewire your brain permanently.

Milk Thistle has NEVER been proven to do shit. The only sites that make claims it is useful are naturapathy sites. Proper studies have concluded its completely useless.

marijuana might make u hungry, but it robs u of discipline and makes u think u are trying harder than u are. its another drug that will rewire your brain permanently.

if you resort to roaccutane then u are also completely bonkers. That shit is responsible for suicide in some users. Mix that up with the dope and the xanax and the hormones and u are dicing with disaster.

It blows me away how simple people put 1 and 1 together and come up with 5. err, derrr, xanax is good for anxiety so lets take it...fuckn dumb asses. if it were that simple then doctors wouldnt need 8+ years of study to understand the complexities.

totally irresponsible thread.

good post i thought the same !!

Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: el numero uno on December 28, 2011, 08:37:21 AM
the only person you should be lifting weights for is yourself. If I was stranded on a desert island for the rest of my life...I would make weights out of coconuts and shit and still work out.

X2

I started working out at home 2 times per week, and 2 other days at the gym. It's the same for me, I still love the pump and lifting, getting attention from girls is cool but at the end of the day we do it for ourselves.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on December 28, 2011, 12:41:50 PM
the only person you should be lifting weights for is yourself. If I was stranded on a desert island for the rest of my life...I would make weights out of coconuts and shit and still work out.

It shouldn't matter to you what motivation anyone has to work out. Everyone has their reasons. Better than not working out and looking like shit
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: monstermunch on January 12, 2012, 10:29:55 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: StanZoLOL on January 12, 2012, 10:46:03 AM
See, this is why you don't know what you are talking about. You go by what women "say" in stupid polls or tabloids. You need to experience them in multiple quantities to truly know what they want. A girl will say beckham has a great body only because it is david beckham! Put another guy with the same body and they wont find it impressive!

This is wrong, they do like his bodytype, esp coupled with his face.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: supernick on January 12, 2012, 11:08:16 AM
See, this is why you don't know what you are talking about. You go by what women "say" in stupid polls or tabloids. You need to experience them in multiple quantities to truly know what they want. A girl will say beckham has a great body only because it is david beckham! Put another guy with the same body and they wont find it impressive!
very true never thought about it that way but it so true
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: g101 on January 12, 2012, 12:25:37 PM
Yeah pot rewires your brain. Fucking retard post of the year

well... he as much as he is crazy I believe this one...

3 of my friends have been smoking weed for a few years now on/off not even consistently and what I've noticed from before they started their use was

1) not motivated as much as before
2) very lazy
3) they are SL O O O O O OWER

Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: DK II on January 12, 2012, 01:54:55 PM
Lmao, the last people who know what women want are women themself ! They say what they think they want, but the sad thing is they think wrong.



Finally someone here who knows pussy.
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: king on January 12, 2012, 02:00:41 PM
well... he as much as he is crazy I believe this one...

3 of my friends have been smoking weed for a few years now on/off not even consistently and what I've noticed from before they started their use was

1) not motivated as much as before
2) very lazy
3) they are SL O O O O O OWER



All these things will subside when they stop for a while
Title: Re: Combating sides and helping manage high dose gear
Post by: arce1988 on January 12, 2012, 02:06:14 PM
Liver protection -
Pineapple juice
Cranberry juice
Milk Thistle