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Title: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Borracho on December 27, 2011, 11:18:31 AM
The guys from the golden age trained for like 3 hours and managed to build some great physiques. Is this overtraining thing a myth??

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Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on December 27, 2011, 11:22:10 AM
Yes definitely IMO. I always feel run down and lethargic if I train too much
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Dr Dutch on December 27, 2011, 11:27:16 AM
"Underjuicing" is a frightful reality....
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: MrBigandCut on December 27, 2011, 11:30:13 AM
When you are juiced to the gills you tend to train harder than normal which does lead to overtraining if you dont monitor it closely! ;)
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: hematocritter on December 27, 2011, 11:34:25 AM
I have found that certain gear will actually cause me to overtrain.
While on tren at 100mg daily, I can just keep training and training. I make myself leave
after one hour because I could just keep going and going with the volume if I don't
make a conscious decision to leave. I feel fine that day, but wake up the next day
completely beaten down and needing a couple days of recovery if I go overboard.
I'd rather train EOD (mainly for the CNS, no gear helps me much with that) and train
hard and heavy with short rest periods for 50min-1hr and get out of there. That is what
works for me whether on boatloads of gear or not.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Borracho on December 27, 2011, 11:37:29 AM
I have found that certain gear will actually cause me to overtrain.
While on tren at 100mg daily, I can just keep training and training. I make myself leave
after one hour because I could just keep going and going with the volume if I don't
make a conscious decision to leave. I feel fine that day, but wake up the next day
completely beaten down and needing a couple days of recovery if I go overboard
.
I'd rather train EOD (mainly for the CNS, no gear helps me much with that) and train
hard and heavy with short rest periods for 50min-1hr and get out of there. That is what
works for me whether on boatloads of gear or not.


Interesting.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Borracho on December 27, 2011, 11:47:33 AM
You should be monitoring yourself as some of you guys already mentioned. However I think there's way too many guys these days that just don't wanna train all. They're relying more and more on just taking more gear and I mean sure bbing is all drugs, but all this gh and slin has its ugly sides.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 27, 2011, 11:47:56 AM
I've said it before, but a trend I've seen is that gear reduces your exercise tolerance. I've seen naturals train
for 3 hours a day, 5-6 days a week, and after starting steroids it's reduced to less than half that... based on feel or instinct or whatever. But they just don't feel like training as much.

Same for me, I can't train as much on steroids.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: hematocritter on December 27, 2011, 11:53:08 AM
I guess I am strange. When I was natural, I actually had to leave the gym because I just couldn't do anymore.
I would actually get shaky after too many intense sets.
I have been using AAS regularly for 7-8 years I think, and when on the sauce, as I said in my earlier post, I have to make
myself leave because I can go and go and go. This does not pertain to cardio...... tren specifically makes me
feel like dying while doing intense cardio, and I am so happy to leave after the 45min-1hr mark.
I do a ton of cardio for health reasons only. I do not enjoy it, but it is good for my mental and physical health.

I get bloodwork every 4-6 weeks. I will stop everything if something is messed up.


Borracho, are those little bears fighting in your avatar? Any background info on that at all? Looks funny as hell.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: madg on December 27, 2011, 11:57:55 AM
i cant stop on tren ..i simply cant

my cns get beat up not muscle

muscle is imortal on trenbolona
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Swlabr on December 27, 2011, 11:58:48 AM
is...there...such...a... thing...as..."juiced...to...the...gill s"...is...what...I'm...wondering...
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: aesthetics on December 27, 2011, 12:01:03 PM
I guess I am strange. When I was natural, I actually had to leave the gym because I just couldn't do anymore.
I would actually get shaky after too many intense sets.
I have been using AAS regularly for 7-8 years I think, and when on the sauce, as I said in my earlier post, I have to make
myself leave because I can go and go and go. This does not pertain to cardio...... tren specifically makes me
feel like dying while doing intense cardio, and I am so happy to leave after the 45min-1hr mark.
I do a ton of cardio for health reasons only. I do not enjoy it, but it is good for my mental and physical health.

I get bloodwork every 4-6 weeks. I will stop everything if something is messed up.


Borracho, are those little bears fighting in your avatar? Any background info on that at all? Looks funny as hell.

i am the exact same, except with the tren effecting my cardio, unless i had just pinned that day my cardio is perfectly fine (but getting any tren droplets into a vein or artery and i'll feel like my lungs and throat are real constricted for hours).

i really don't know how people are saying they could do more when natural as opposed to on gear, it really makes no sense to me. not only is my recovery between sets higher, my CNS recovers so much quicker. i'd have doms for a week after training hard naturally, but with gear, and insulin? i can hit the same muscles groups again within 2 days if i really wanted.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: wes on December 27, 2011, 12:12:45 PM
Not many pussies today are in fear of overtraining.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Dr Dutch on December 27, 2011, 12:15:14 PM
People on gear don't have to train harder to make more gains than naturals, but they can train harder if they want to...
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Swlabr on December 27, 2011, 12:16:16 PM
yeah...when...on...tren. ..i...have...to...force. ..myself...to...leave... the...gym...too...

nowadays...with...the... gh...in...my...blood...i ...stop...working...out. ..after...an...hour...th en...stare...at...myself ...in...the...mirror...f or...30...minutes...
feels...good...man...
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: _bruce_ on December 27, 2011, 12:26:24 PM
A myth if you avoid going all out on every set.
Doesn't matter if juiced or not.
On juice the fried nerves aren't as obvious because you're in an artificial "boom" state.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on December 27, 2011, 12:32:32 PM
I have found that certain gear will actually cause me to overtrain.
While on tren at 100mg daily, I can just keep training and training. I make myself leave
after one hour because I could just keep going and going with the volume if I don't
make a conscious decision to leave. I feel fine that day, but wake up the next day
completely beaten down and needing a couple days of recovery if I go overboard.
I'd rather train EOD (mainly for the CNS, no gear helps me much with that) and train
hard and heavy with short rest periods for 50min-1hr and get out of there. That is what
works for me whether on boatloads of gear or not.


totally agree. I know what you mean about waking up and feeling drained even on a full night of sleep. It amazes me when people say you can't overtrain. 4 days per week or EOD is the best way to workout for me

personally I like to train tuesday, thursday, sat, and sun...or a different combo depending on my schedule
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Wolfsanglerune on December 27, 2011, 12:50:09 PM
Ive found that using more hormones will make me more likley to overtrain.with tren and grams of other stuff your strength and intensity is always greater.its an adrenal and cns matter imo.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: aesthetics on December 27, 2011, 12:55:41 PM
totally agree. I know what you mean about waking up and feeling drained even on a full night of sleep. It amazes me when people say you can't overtrain. 4 days per week or EOD is the best way to workout for me

personally I like to train tuesday, thursday, sat, and sun...or a different combo depending on my schedule

it's probably because you drink 4 days a week. i don't know if you are also taking orals but if you are stressing your liver you will feel lethargic all the time. plus, alcohol intrinsically suppresses your CNS because it's a depressant, which will leave you feeling fatigued regardless. basically take up weed instead, it's better for you :)

anyways, i think overtraining is more a function of how much rest people are getting. i can train with a lot of heavy sets to failure and beyond, and really feel CNS fatigued but after 10 hours of dead sleep i'll feel completely refreshed and ready to go again.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: wes on December 27, 2011, 12:56:31 PM
Who the fuck sleeps 10 hours ???
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Swlabr on December 27, 2011, 12:57:03 PM
Who the fuck sleeps 10 hours ???

slept...12...hours...tod ay...love...HGH...
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Voland on December 27, 2011, 01:00:17 PM
slept...12...hours...today...love...HGH...

if i was to use gh just for sleeping purposes (plus the added) benefits. What would be the lowest effective dose to knock me down pre-bed?

Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Swlabr on December 27, 2011, 01:01:30 PM
if i was to use gh just for sleeping purposes (plus the added) benefits. What would be the lowest effective dose to knock me down pre-bed?


3...iu...should...do...t he...trick...
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: tbombz on December 27, 2011, 01:04:12 PM
I've said it before, but a trend I've seen is that gear reduces your exercise tolerance. I've seen naturals train
for 3 hours a day, 5-6 days a week, and after starting steroids it's reduced to less than half that... based on feel or instinct or whatever. But they just don't feel like training as much.

Same for me, I can't train as much on steroids.
yup

muscles get pumped up and fatigued very quickly when juicing
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: matrixgh on December 27, 2011, 01:04:54 PM
The bigger you get the less you have to train, over train our body is the biggest mistakes we do, the longer it takes the muscle to recover , so training eod is the way to go.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: wes on December 27, 2011, 01:05:53 PM
The bigger you get the less you have to train, over train our body is the biggest mistakes we do, the longer it takes the muscle to recover , so training eod is the way to go.
::)
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: aesthetics on December 27, 2011, 01:08:37 PM
Who the fuck sleeps 10 hours ???

people without jobs, lol
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Voland on December 27, 2011, 01:10:02 PM
I find that the longer you've been training the shorter your session become and the less days you go to the gym. I might be the drug or whatever but the fact is with years on training your learn to make the most out of the least.
Since i've been on gear i've reduced my volume a little. I do 12 sets for chest and i still consider that high volume. I could do 25 because i feel wired but i just feel like i've achieved with 12 what before it tool 20.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: wes on December 27, 2011, 01:12:52 PM
I like to train whether I`m on or not....it`s like a daily tonic and part of my routine.

Actually,it`s a passion for me.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: AlphaM on December 27, 2011, 02:32:19 PM
I like to train whether I`m on or not....it`s like a daily tonic and part of my routine.

Actually,it`s a passion for me.

^^first serious reply :D


Jay Cutler once said there's no such thing as overtraining, if you lose muscle/weight or feel tired and sore for days - means you're not EATING enaugh.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Swlabr on December 27, 2011, 02:33:02 PM
first serious reply :D


Jay Cutler once said there's no such thing as overtraining, if you lose muscle/weight or feel tired and sore for days - means you're not EATING enaugh.

jay..cutler...once...als o...said...it...was...a. ..bicep...tear...

okay...jay...sure...budd y...::)
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: AlphaM on December 27, 2011, 02:38:10 PM
jay..cutler...once...also...said...it...was...a...bicep...tear...

okay...jay...sure...budd y...::)

:D

you know.. it's good to throw balonie here and there from time to time.. just to keep things more interesting :D

However, he sounded very serious talking about overtraining and food.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Swlabr on December 27, 2011, 02:41:31 PM
:D

you know.. it's good to throw balonie here and there from time to time.. just to keep things more interesting :D

However, he sounded very serious talking about overtraining and food.

yeah...he...did...also.. .tell...b-boy...upfront...that...the...name...of...the...game...is....GH...so...I...guess...he...cool...
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: wes on December 27, 2011, 02:43:39 PM
^^first serious reply :D


Jay Cutler once said there's no such thing as overtraining, if you lose muscle/weight or feel tired and sore for days - means you're not EATING enaugh.
Arnold said that first years ago.............seriousl y.

He said:
"There`s no such thing as ovetraining,just undereating and undersleeping" !
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: AlphaM on December 27, 2011, 02:48:12 PM
Arnold said that first years ago.............seriousl y.

He said:
"There`s no such thing as ovetraining,just undereating and undersleeping" !

aha, means Jason copy pasted Arnold's words.

This is good to know. Didn't know Arnold said this.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Borracho on December 27, 2011, 04:13:17 PM
I guess I am strange. When I was natural, I actually had to leave the gym because I just couldn't do anymore.
I would actually get shaky after too many intense sets.
I have been using AAS regularly for 7-8 years I think, and when on the sauce, as I said in my earlier post, I have to make
myself leave because I can go and go and go. This does not pertain to cardio...... tren specifically makes me
feel like dying while doing intense cardio, and I am so happy to leave after the 45min-1hr mark.
I do a ton of cardio for health reasons only. I do not enjoy it, but it is good for my mental and physical health.

I get bloodwork every 4-6 weeks. I will stop everything if something is messed up.


Borracho, are those little bears fighting in your avatar? Any background info on that at all? Looks funny as hell.



                                        
;D
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: PJim on December 27, 2011, 04:15:34 PM
Of course there is. The body does not have an unlimited capacity to handle stress.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: tbombz on December 27, 2011, 04:17:11 PM
Of course there is. The body does not have an unlimited capacity to handle stress.
bullshit.. a buddy of mine was in hiroshima and after his muscles recovered from all the microtears he was fuckin hooooge
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Natural Man on December 27, 2011, 04:29:10 PM
Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?

how do you think heavy juicers get torn muscles?
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: no one on December 27, 2011, 04:30:04 PM

absolutely.

some of the periods i have been most over trained i was also running some of my biggest cycles.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Borracho on December 27, 2011, 04:35:40 PM
how do you think heavy juicers get torn muscles?
Maybe they didn't have fathers
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: cephissus on December 27, 2011, 04:47:54 PM
John Broz, the guy who runs Average Broz Gymnasium, says that feeling run down / bad after heavy training doesn't mean anything bad.  According to him, serotonin is the neurotransmitter responsible for muscle contraction, and when you "lift heavy" your body has to adapt by temporarily shutting down the serotonin production faculties in your brain so that it can renovate them for higher performance.  This is why you feel bad / "overtrained" he says (serotonin levels also control mood).  But in reality, you are just adapting to a higher stress and "getting stronger."  He has his lifters doing squats to max six or seven days a week, apparently.

The whole post where he talks about this seems suspicious to me but it's an interesting argument because it goes against our instincts.  Instead of laying off when we feel bad, he says we should just keep "pounding away."
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: PJim on December 27, 2011, 07:32:15 PM
::)

Other than the frequency statement, the first bit was correct.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: g101 on December 27, 2011, 08:10:53 PM
you can't train 7 days a week for 2 hours .... you need rest..
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Spidey on December 28, 2011, 12:51:39 AM
When i'm on gear, whatever, never want to leave the gym, It makes it harder to train with high reps because of the pump tough.
Overtraining is a reality especially when you realize the gear is kicking in and suddenly you can squat with 200kg instead of 170kg and so on  ;D
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: matrixgh on December 28, 2011, 08:11:38 AM
High intensity is what most important, aas only helps with recovery pow, so instead by doing many sets or reps per muscle group , I do just 2 set for each muscle group, 1st set moderate and 2nd set heavy to the failure (30min workout), this is my offseason routine, the rest of the work do food and drugs :)
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: wes on December 28, 2011, 08:26:58 AM
High intensity is what most important, aas only helps with recovery pow, so instead by doing many sets or reps per muscle group , I do just 2 set for each muscle group, 1st set moderate and 2nd set heavy to the failure (30min workout), this is my offseason routine, the rest of the work do food and drugs :)
Good morning Mr. Mentzer !!  :)
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: local hero on December 28, 2011, 08:35:27 AM
theres far too many variables in regard to overtraining.....

biggest for most people would be what type of work you do, if you work manually doing 6 days a week, with a few half shifts thrown in, theres no way your training 6 days a week all out and getting anything from it, no matter how much gear your taking

if your out of work, working in an office etc etc,, you could probly do alot more and benefit from it
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: el numero uno on December 28, 2011, 08:38:46 AM
Maybe they didn't have fathers

 ;D
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: matrixgh on December 28, 2011, 08:54:10 AM
Good morning Mr. Mentzer !!  :)

LOL :)
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: MrBigandCut on December 28, 2011, 09:13:31 AM
When I upped the doseage recently my weights shot up and I found I was training at a much higher intensity doing more sets and lots more weight! I was even doing extra arm work twice a week! Unfortuately after about 2 weeks it all started to catch up with me to the point where everything was ultra sore and wasn't recovering before the next workout! Weights even started to go down!

Since then I have taken 4 days off weight training completely and all soreness is virtually completely gone! When I start back tomorrow I will be a little more cautious and do far less overall workload but concentrate on pushing the weights up and with good form! Constant monitoring of how your body is responding to the stress is often the key to your success in this game!! ;D

Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: dj181 on December 28, 2011, 09:27:28 AM
Good morning Mr. Mentzer !!  :)

I had a pretty knowledgable guy once tell me that Mentzer's Consolidation routine would only work for guys on tons of gear.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Nirvana on December 28, 2011, 09:35:30 AM
5 sets of rear delts then I can't even get out of bed the next day.
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: Thespritz0 on December 28, 2011, 11:00:29 AM
I guess I am strange. When I was natural, I actually had to leave the gym because I just couldn't do anymore.
I would actually get shaky after too many intense sets.
I have been using AAS regularly for 7-8 years I think, and when on the sauce, as I said in my earlier post, I have to make
myself leave because I can go and go and go. This does not pertain to cardio...... tren specifically makes me
feel like dying while doing intense cardio, and I am so happy to leave after the 45min-1hr mark.
I do a ton of cardio for health reasons only. I do not enjoy it, but it is good for my mental and physical health.

I get bloodwork every 4-6 weeks. I will stop everything if something is messed up.


Borracho, are those little bears fighting in your avatar? Any background info on that at all? Looks funny as hell.
^^
You don't need to go so heavy on the cardio, 20-30 minutes a day is fine if done intensely enough...
Title: Re: Is there such a thing as "overtraining" when juiced to the gills?
Post by: hematocritter on December 28, 2011, 11:12:44 AM
^^
You don't need to go so heavy on the cardio, 20-30 minutes a day is fine if done intensely enough...

It's for mental health. I get all depressed if I don't exert myself with high intensity cardio. It is weird,
but my doctor says it is common with some people that have my neuro-chemical makeup.