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Title: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: Benny B on January 16, 2012, 07:31:18 AM
This is the man who claimed in the last debate, in defense of his anti-semetic and racist newsletters, that "Martin Luther King, Jr. was one of my heroes." Yet, when it was his turn to vote on the King holiday, HE VOTED AGAINST IT. The bill that Dr. King risked his life and received constant death threats to see pass into law, The Civil Rights Act of 1964, Ron Paul was not in favor of, and STILL says he would have voted against...IN 2012.
We don't even need to go into the vile, disgusting comments he made about Dr. King in his news rag.
 ::)  
But I digress...


Paul fights Washington spending, flies first class
Associated PressBy BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE and STEPHEN BRAUN | Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has been spending large amounts on airfare as a congressman, flying first class on dozens of taxpayer-funded flights to his home state. The practice conflicts with the image that Paul portrays as the only presidential candidate serious about cutting federal spending.

Paul flew first class on at least 31 round-trip flights and 12 one-way flights since May 2009 when he was traveling between Washington and his district in Texas, according to a review by The Associated Press of his congressional office expenses. Four other round-trip tickets and two other one-way tickets purchased during the period were eligible for upgrades to first-class after they were bought, but those upgrades would not be documented in the expense records.

Paul, whose distrust of big government is the centerpiece of his presidential campaign, trusts the more expensive government rate for Continental Airlines when buying his tickets. Paul chose not to buy the cheaper economy tickets at a fraction of the price because they aren't refundable or as flexible for scheduling, his congressional staff said.

"We always get him full refundable tickets since the congressional schedule sometimes changes quickly," said Jeff Deist, Paul's chief of staff. Paul might have to pay out of his own pocket for canceled flights in some cases if he didn't buy refundable tickets, Deist said.

But records show that most of the flights for Paul were purchased well in advance and few schedule changes were necessary. Nearly two-thirds of the 49 tickets were purchased at least two weeks in advance, and 42 percent were bought at least three weeks in advance, the AP's review found.


Paul charged taxpayers nearly $52,000 on the more expensive tickets, or $27,621 more than the average Continental airfare for the flights between Washington and Houston, according to the AP's review of his congressional expenses and average airfares compiled by the Department of Transportation.

The more expensive tickets have other benefits as well, including allowing Paul to upgrade to first class when his staff reserves a flight because his frequent government travel gives him membership in an elite class of Continental customers who earn travel perks. Upgrades to first-class with cheaper fares are possible, at times limited to available seats days before the flight. But those upgrades are not guaranteed and some require ticket changes at the airport, according to the airline's frequent flyer rules.

The AP reviewed congressional travel before the Iowa caucuses for the two members of Congress running at the time — Paul and Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota. Bachmann later ended her presidential campaign.

House records show Bachmann, like most other congressional members, also paid the more expensive government rate for airfare. But her staff would not provide access to more detailed expense records that show when and what type of tickets were purchased.

Paul's congressional staff provided access to all expense records requested.

Congressional members don't have to pay the government rate for travel, but most do, including many like Paul and Bachmann who advocate cuts in federal spending.

"You could almost always beat the government rate," said Steve Ellis, vice president of the Washington-based Taxpayers for Common Sense, a federal budget watchdog group.
"They need to be walking the walk, and one of the ways they can do that is to be fiscally responsible for how they spend their member office money."

Jesse Benton, Paul's campaign manager, didn't respond to a written request to explain how Paul's use of more expensive airfare, which allows him to fly first class, corresponds with his commitment to cut federal spending. Instead, he sent a statement that started, "No one is more committed to cutting spending than Dr. Paul."

But Paul's congressional travel conflicts with claims in campaign appearances that he's the most frugal and serious deficit hawk in the race.

"The talk you hear in Washington is pure talk, because there is nobody suggesting, the other candidates are not talking about real cuts," Paul said in a speech to supporters last week after his second-place finish in New Hampshire.

He has proposed cutting $1 trillion from the federal budget during his first year as president, and has confronted other candidates in public forums as "big government conservatives."

"You're a big spender, that's all there is to it," Paul told former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania during a GOP debate in New Hampshire.

Paul boasts on his website about declining other congressional perks, such as a pension and all-expense-paid travel "junkets" that other lawmakers take. And he says he regularly returns money from his congressional account to the treasury.

But when it comes to his congressional travel, Paul has opted not to search for cheaper airfares that could mean returning more of his office account to the treasury, which uses any money returned by House or Senate members to help reduce the federal deficit.

Paul paid $51,972 for his government-rate flights between Washington and Houston between May 2009 and March 2011, or more than twice the $24,351 average airfare on Continental for travel between Washington and Houston. The average airfare figure represents the price for all tickets purchased for Continental flights between Washington and Houston, including economy and first-class travel, according to the Transportation Department's Domestic Airline Fares Consumer Report, which collects airfare information for the nation's busiest travel routes.

Paul's staff regularly booked him in first class on flights when tickets were purchased, according to expense records. His office paid between $1,217 and $1,311 for each round-trip flight, compared to the average airfare for that trip ranging from $528 to $760, according to the airline fares consumer report.

The period reviewed by the AP was the most recent period for which complete congressional expense records were available.
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: Benny B on January 16, 2012, 07:33:58 AM
(http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/37000/Ron-Paul-Poster--37481.jpg)

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/DonaldDouglas/Second%20Americaneocon/No-Ron-Paul.jpg)
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: warchild on January 16, 2012, 07:35:19 AM
This is the best you could come up with? Who gives a shit? I fly first class, if you have the funds, what's the problem??
As far as MLK, that's a non issue. The man was a criminal, a philanderer and a plagiarist. Next subject
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: howardroark on January 16, 2012, 07:36:26 AM
I guess not everyone 'gets' the idea that the government shouldn't be in the business of making mandated federal holidays and of forcing businesses to accept customers they don't want.

Benny, if you ran a business, would you want the federal government to force you to accept klansmen or neo-nazis as customers?
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: SOMEPARTS on January 16, 2012, 07:59:41 AM
Oh brother. We have a bought and paid for President whose singular issue is race...scared of RP, a guy who is more real than any of the candidates.

Beating this race thing to death, it's over....time to become citizens of this country. No more excuses.

And to worry about what somebody spends when we have Obama as President. That's some funny shit.
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: Shockwave on January 16, 2012, 08:23:37 AM
Pretty telling when the only things they can attack him for is the plane tickets.he chooses.
Fyi, posting the dropout pic when he's largely considered to be in 2nd place shows how retarded you are.
This guy is the real deal, and we can see how badly hd scares you benny.

BTW attacking him for flying 1st class when Obama spent 4 million on his trip to hawaii is beyond retarded.

Scared Benny, you're scared and lashing out with anything you can find.
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: Batfreak on January 16, 2012, 08:38:31 AM
Ha! Ron Paul probably gets FREE First Class upgrades for simply flying so much! It doesnt take all that many miles and segments to qualify....
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: bigkid on January 16, 2012, 08:47:44 AM
This is beyond pathetic
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: makaveli25 on January 16, 2012, 08:52:52 AM
Another epic backfire

(http://cache.sharenxs.com/images/wz/cabc/a-/ab/bg/bb/gtfo.gif)
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: loco on January 16, 2012, 08:53:51 AM
Ron Paul scares the mierda out of Benny B      ;D
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: bike nut on January 16, 2012, 08:55:50 AM
Looks like the Obama gravy train for the lower common denominators of society is about to come to a screeching halt.

November 2012 Barry O will be sucking Rahm Emanuel's shaft for a job back in Chicago.
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: polychronopolous on January 16, 2012, 09:06:47 AM
How appropriate that you start a thread about a phony on Martin Luther King Day.
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: bike nut on January 16, 2012, 09:08:10 AM
How appropriate that you start a thread about a phony on Martin Luther King Day.

Or as Runningmom calls it:

"James Earl Ray Day"
 ;D
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: BILL ANVIL on January 16, 2012, 09:24:42 AM
Benny B...

Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: Wiggs on January 16, 2012, 09:28:12 AM
Benny B...



 ;D
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: LittleJ on January 16, 2012, 11:50:07 AM
Or as Runningmom calls it:

"James Earl Ray Day"
 ;D

Did she really say that? Not that I'm surprised.
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: bike nut on January 16, 2012, 01:24:51 PM
Did she really say that? Not that I'm surprised.

Gullible as a goldfish.  ;D
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: Xerxes on January 16, 2012, 01:33:04 PM
Benny B - one of the most racist people on getbig.
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 16, 2012, 01:34:39 PM
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: jwb on January 16, 2012, 01:40:42 PM
Jesus, you ever try to prepare for a meeting or speech in coach?
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: johnnynoname on January 16, 2012, 01:41:21 PM
t's graduation day for the all-black Bedford Stuyvesant High School, and
the kids are all getting diplomas except for Rodney. He's their star
basketball player, who could have gotten a full scholarship to go to any
school in the country, but since he didn't pass enough classes, he wasn't
even going to graduate.

As the diplomas are being handed out, Rodney shows up, and all the kids
start chanting, "Give Rodney a chance, give Rodney a chance."

So the principal says, "Okay, Rodney. If you can answer this question, I'll
gives you a diploma and you can graduate. What is three plus two?"

Rodney replies, "Eight."

The principal says, "No, it is five. You can't graduate."

The crowd chants, "Give Rodney another chance, give Rodney another chance."

The principal says, "Okay, Rodney. If you can answer this question, I'll
gives you a diploma and you can graduate. What is five minus one?"

Rodney replies, "Two."

The principal says, "Sorry, Rodney, it is four. You can't graduate."

The crowd chants, "Give Rodney another chance, give Rodney another chance."

The principal says, "Okay, Rodney, this your last chance... what is three
times three?"

Rodney answers, "Nine."

The crowd pauses... and then they start chanting, "Give Rodney another
chance... give Rodney another chance..."
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on January 16, 2012, 01:47:18 PM
This is the man who claimed in the last debate, in defense of his anti-semetic and racist newsletters, that "Martin Luther King, Jr. was one of my heroes." Yet, when it was his turn to vote on the King holiday, HE VOTED AGAINST IT. The bill that Dr. King risked his life and received constant death threats to see pass into law, The Civil Rights Act of 1964, Ron Paul was not in favor of, and STILL says he would have voted against...IN 2012.
We don't even need to go into the vile, disgusting comments he made about Dr. King in his news rag.
 ::)  
But I digress...


Paul fights Washington spending, flies first class
Associated PressBy BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE and STEPHEN BRAUN | Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has been spending large amounts on airfare as a congressman, flying first class on dozens of taxpayer-funded flights to his home state. The practice conflicts with the image that Paul portrays as the only presidential candidate serious about cutting federal spending.

Paul flew first class on at least 31 round-trip flights and 12 one-way flights since May 2009 when he was traveling between Washington and his district in Texas, according to a review by The Associated Press of his congressional office expenses. Four other round-trip tickets and two other one-way tickets purchased during the period were eligible for upgrades to first-class after they were bought, but those upgrades would not be documented in the expense records.

Paul, whose distrust of big government is the centerpiece of his presidential campaign, trusts the more expensive government rate for Continental Airlines when buying his tickets. Paul chose not to buy the cheaper economy tickets at a fraction of the price because they aren't refundable or as flexible for scheduling, his congressional staff said.

"We always get him full refundable tickets since the congressional schedule sometimes changes quickly," said Jeff Deist, Paul's chief of staff. Paul might have to pay out of his own pocket for canceled flights in some cases if he didn't buy refundable tickets, Deist said.

But records show that most of the flights for Paul were purchased well in advance and few schedule changes were necessary. Nearly two-thirds of the 49 tickets were purchased at least two weeks in advance, and 42 percent were bought at least three weeks in advance, the AP's review found.


Paul charged taxpayers nearly $52,000 on the more expensive tickets, or $27,621 more than the average Continental airfare for the flights between Washington and Houston, according to the AP's review of his congressional expenses and average airfares compiled by the Department of Transportation.

The more expensive tickets have other benefits as well, including allowing Paul to upgrade to first class when his staff reserves a flight because his frequent government travel gives him membership in an elite class of Continental customers who earn travel perks. Upgrades to first-class with cheaper fares are possible, at times limited to available seats days before the flight. But those upgrades are not guaranteed and some require ticket changes at the airport, according to the airline's frequent flyer rules.

The AP reviewed congressional travel before the Iowa caucuses for the two members of Congress running at the time — Paul and Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota. Bachmann later ended her presidential campaign.

House records show Bachmann, like most other congressional members, also paid the more expensive government rate for airfare. But her staff would not provide access to more detailed expense records that show when and what type of tickets were purchased.

Paul's congressional staff provided access to all expense records requested.

Congressional members don't have to pay the government rate for travel, but most do, including many like Paul and Bachmann who advocate cuts in federal spending.

"You could almost always beat the government rate," said Steve Ellis, vice president of the Washington-based Taxpayers for Common Sense, a federal budget watchdog group.
"They need to be walking the walk, and one of the ways they can do that is to be fiscally responsible for how they spend their member office money."

Jesse Benton, Paul's campaign manager, didn't respond to a written request to explain how Paul's use of more expensive airfare, which allows him to fly first class, corresponds with his commitment to cut federal spending. Instead, he sent a statement that started, "No one is more committed to cutting spending than Dr. Paul."

But Paul's congressional travel conflicts with claims in campaign appearances that he's the most frugal and serious deficit hawk in the race.

"The talk you hear in Washington is pure talk, because there is nobody suggesting, the other candidates are not talking about real cuts," Paul said in a speech to supporters last week after his second-place finish in New Hampshire.

He has proposed cutting $1 trillion from the federal budget during his first year as president, and has confronted other candidates in public forums as "big government conservatives."

"You're a big spender, that's all there is to it," Paul told former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania during a GOP debate in New Hampshire.

Paul boasts on his website about declining other congressional perks, such as a pension and all-expense-paid travel "junkets" that other lawmakers take. And he says he regularly returns money from his congressional account to the treasury.

But when it comes to his congressional travel, Paul has opted not to search for cheaper airfares that could mean returning more of his office account to the treasury, which uses any money returned by House or Senate members to help reduce the federal deficit.

Paul paid $51,972 for his government-rate flights between Washington and Houston between May 2009 and March 2011, or more than twice the $24,351 average airfare on Continental for travel between Washington and Houston. The average airfare figure represents the price for all tickets purchased for Continental flights between Washington and Houston, including economy and first-class travel, according to the Transportation Department's Domestic Airline Fares Consumer Report, which collects airfare information for the nation's busiest travel routes.

Paul's staff regularly booked him in first class on flights when tickets were purchased, according to expense records. His office paid between $1,217 and $1,311 for each round-trip flight, compared to the average airfare for that trip ranging from $528 to $760, according to the airline fares consumer report.

The period reviewed by the AP was the most recent period for which complete congressional expense records were available.


From Wikipedia

Paul was critical of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, arguing that it sanctioned federal interference in the labor market and did not improve race relations. He once remarked: "The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society".[208] Paul opposes affirmative action.[209]



Well...he at least has a valid reason for opposing the Civil Rights Act.  We don't have racial harmony...we don't have a color blind society.  

Opposing the Civil Rights Act does not make you a racist and I'd prefer honesty from the front than deception from behind.  A lot of politicans like Newt and Santorum say that they aren't racist but their actions show otherwise.    
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: johnnynoname on January 16, 2012, 01:48:03 PM
GIVE RODNEY A CHANCE!
GIVE RODNEY A CHANCE!
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: Xerxes on January 16, 2012, 01:49:48 PM
Johnny what grades did you get in school?
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: johnnynoname on January 16, 2012, 01:51:19 PM
Johnny what grades did you get in school?

NINE!
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: Xerxes on January 16, 2012, 01:51:48 PM
GIVE JOHNNY A CHANCE!!!!!
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: johnnynoname on January 16, 2012, 01:51:58 PM
NINE!

GIVE RODNEY A CHANCE!
GIVE RODNEY A CHANCE!
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: QuakerOats on January 16, 2012, 01:52:35 PM
uze....bekki...bekki.... .bekki.....bekkkiiii.... stan......stan.
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: Benny B on January 16, 2012, 03:10:42 PM
Were it up to Ron Paul, this moment would have never had happened.

(http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/civilrights/buildings/prize1.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-jDlW3nGT8o/TPQVDi3xeII/AAAAAAAAACc/Mb6_0qUb98I/s1600/1153714943_0850.jpg)

At the White House, President Lyndon B. Johnson signs the Civil Rights Bill in July 1964 after a short speech to the nation.


From disaster relief, to the return to the gold standard, to closing down the Federal Reserve...the man is a racist, crazy, senile old fool.
(http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Ron.jpg)
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: polychronopolous on January 16, 2012, 03:14:18 PM
GIVE RODNEY A CHANCE!
GIVE RODNEY A CHANCE!

GOFF!!! Hey hee!!!!!!



Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: johnnynoname on January 16, 2012, 03:26:13 PM
GOFF!!! Hey hee!!!!!!





Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: bike nut on January 16, 2012, 03:41:59 PM
The media sure is silent on the fact that MLK plagiarized his thesis for his doctoral dissertation...I guess that just doesn't make for a good story. Benny B - what say you? MLK a cheater and dishonest, or just an unjust group of academics out to sully a good man?
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: Shockwave on January 16, 2012, 04:31:23 PM

From Wikipedia

Paul was critical of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, arguing that it sanctioned federal interference in the labor market and did not improve race relations. He once remarked: "The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society".[208] Paul opposes affirmative action.[209]



Well...he at least has a valid reason for opposing the Civil Rights Act.  We don't have racial harmony...we don't have a color blind society.  

Opposing the Civil Rights Act does not make you a racist and I'd prefer honesty from the front than deception from behind.  A lot of politicans like Newt and Santorum say that they aren't racist but their actions show otherwise.    
Never thought Id say it, but x fucking 2 vince.

Benny cant seem to figure out that all affirmitive action does, is promote MORE racial issues.

A tru colorblind society with racial harmony gives NO ONE special treatment.
As soon as someone gets special treatment, that is not equality... But he'll never admit that.
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: polychronopolous on January 16, 2012, 04:45:09 PM


LOL....For once Sal didn't get called for his obvious fake black voice.  :)
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: makaveli25 on January 16, 2012, 08:35:04 PM
I love how Benny makes all these shitty threads and then completely dissapears from them after being owned into oblivion.
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: _bruce_ on January 17, 2012, 03:24:42 AM
Benny B...



 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: dr.chimps on January 17, 2012, 04:35:08 AM
Were it up to Ron Paul, this moment would have never had happened.

(http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/civilrights/buildings/prize1.jpg)
Old Landslide Lyndon. Now, there's a guy who didn't care much for coloureds. 
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: devilsmile on January 17, 2012, 06:14:20 AM
lmao, the only crap you can say about ron paul is "racist" and even that is proven to be staged.

these are the people who say that a 15 year old girl shouldn't defend herself with a fire arm in her home against burglers.

vote for ron paul, truth!
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: Benny B on January 17, 2012, 06:56:29 AM
The LIES continue as a South Carolina audience kicks Paul's ass last night.  ::)


Ron Paul Denies Saying He Wouldn’t Have Ordered Bin Laden Raid in Pakistan — But Here’s the Video

Last night’s GOP debate in South Carolina may be one that causes Ron Paul some problems in the “honesty” department.

Mr. Paul‘s truthfulness is being questioned after he told Fox News’ Brett Baier that he never said that he would not have given the order to go into Pakistan and kill Osama bin Laden:

[ Invalid YouTube link ]

There‘s just one small problem with Paul’s denial, he did say it, several times.

Back in May of 2011, and featured here on The Blaze, Ron Paul said three times in a two minute discussion of the topic, that as President of the United States, he would not have ordered bin Laden killed in the manner that President Obama did.

Simon Conway was quite clear in his questions, first asking;

    So President Ron Paul would therefore not have ordered the kill of bin Laden, which could have only have taken place by entering another sovereign nation?

And Dr. Paul was equally clear in his response:

    I don’t think it was necessary. No.

Less than a minute later, Conway attempted to further clarify by again asking the congressman”

    So President Ron Paul would not have ordered the kill of bin Laden, to take place, as it took place in Pakistan?

Ron Paul’s response was consistent with his two previous answers.

    Not the way it took place, no. I mean he was unarmed, you know… and all these other arguments.

Watch the two minute excerpt as Simon Conway of WHO Radio in Iowa repeatedly asks the Texas Congressman whether he would have given the order to kill Osama bin Laden.

Ron Paul explains that if he were elected President, he would not have ordered Osama bin Laden killed.

That clip from WHO Newsradio 1040 appeared on The Blaze on May 11th.
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: Benny B on January 17, 2012, 07:01:13 AM
Paul takes drubbing at debate
By: Reid J. Epstein
January 17, 2012 01:26 AM EST

MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. — The rivals who largely ignored Ron Paul for much of the campaign gave him a drubbing Monday night.

The Fox News/Wall Street Journal debate pile-on began after Paul answered a question about whether the U.S. government had the authority to kill Osama bin Laden. Booed by the boisterous audience, Paul compared bin Laden’s capture in Pakistan to a Chinese dissident hiding in the U.S. and said the U.S. government wouldn’t want China to “bomb us and do whatever.” He also advocated attempting to capture and question top terrorist leaders instead of kill them.

“I mean, if you think about Saddam Hussein, you know, we did that,” Paul said. “We captured him, and we tried him — I mean, the government tried him — and he hung — got hung. What’s, what’s so terrible about this? This whole idea that you can’t capture … what’s this whole idea that you can’t capture people?”

Paul added: “Just think, [Nazi leader] Adolf Eichmann was captured. He was given a trial. What’s wrong with capturing people? Why didn’t we try to get some information from them? You know, we’re, we’re accustomed to asking people questions, but all of a sudden — gone. You know, that’s it.”

Newt Gingrich quickly jumped on the Texas lawmaker, calling the comparison of bin Laden to a Chinese dissident “utterly irrational.” Romney moved to second the former speaker, adding the right solution for bin Laden was the “bullet in the head that he received.”

Paul’s own words — and the strong counterpunch from his GOP rivals — had the net effect of isolating him from the rest of the pack on foreign policy. Combined with the fact that Paul has actually spent very little time campaigning in the state, there are questions about whether the dovish lawmaker — who wants all U.S. troops returned from foreign entanglements and won’t confront Iran over nuclear weapons — can actually compete in a serious way in hawkish South Carolina.


“Congressman Paul has got his way of communicating and everything, and he’s kind of been the one who has been here the least,” South Carolina GOP Chairman Chad Connelly after the debate. “I don’t know if he decided to play here less or anything. I’ve kind of been the one saying, ‘Please, come on in, get in the state.’ So it’s going to be interesting to see what he gets on Saturday.”

South Carolina GOP Gov. Nikki Haley, who has endorsed Romney, said Paul’s isolationist message won’t play here.

“South Carolina is a very strong military state,” she said. “Very strong military state, patriotic state, and so I don’t think that that part of his message resonates in South Carolina.”


Paul’s chief in-state surrogate, state Sen. Tom Davis — who was former GOP Gov. Mark Sanford’s chief of staff — defended the congressman’s debate performance.

Davis called the crowd’s boos to Paul’s bin Laden response “misconstrued” and said that any time Paul hasn’t spent in South Carolina is devoted to campaigning elsewhere.

“He’s running a nationwide race,” Davis said. “He’s not somebody that’s focusing on just certain areas … He’s not a niche candidate.”

But Paul’s views on international relations have long been outside the Republican mainstream, and he is pitching his message way beyond the bounds of the 3,000-person debate crowd to a national audience and core supporters already sympathetic to his libertarian stands. His foreign policy views are more about slashing money from the federal budget — “waste,” as he called it to applause on the debate stage — and shoring up the military domestically. He is one of only two candidates who have served in the military and can claim more campaign donations from active military personnel than any other candidate.

Speaking in a part of the state heaviest on retired military, Paul defended his pledge to cut military spending by arguing that he wouldn’t reduce domestic defense expenditures.

“I want to cut military money. I don’t want to cut defense money,” he said. “I want to bring the troops home. I’d probably have more bases here at home. We were closing them down in the 1990s and building them overseas. That’s how we got into trouble. So we would save a lot more money and have a stronger national defense, and that’s what we should do,” he contended.
Title: Re: MORE of Ron Paul's PHONINESS Exposed
Post by: Benny B on January 17, 2012, 07:26:42 AM
Whether or not I agree with some of Paul's view on the Zionists :-X, he should be made to campaign on his beliefs and be held accountable for them by GOP primary voters.

Ron Paul’s War on Israel

Posted By Ryan Mauro On December 29, 2011

Rep. Ron Paul is now in first place in the Iowa caucus polls, second in New Hampshire and third nationally. This has prompted a former close aide of his, Eric Dondero, to speak out about the anti-Israeli views he expressed to him in private. The Paul campaign is ridiculing Dondero as a “disgruntled former staffer” and another aide, an Israeli, is defending Paul. A close examination of Paul’s books, newsletters and statements give credence to Dondero.

Dondero worked closely with Paul from 1987 to 2003. After he left, he nearly ran against Ron Paul but instead supported another candidate. Dondero claims that the presidential candidate is not anti-Semitic but “wishes the Israeli state did not exist at all.” Dr. Leon Hadar, a dual American-Israeli citizen who served as a foreign policy advisor to Paul during his 2008 presidential campaign, has risen to Paul’s defense. He says that Paul does not want to see Israel eliminated as a state, yet Paul praises an anti-Zionist group that envisions just that.

On page 317 of his book, “Liberty Defined,” Paul laments the influence of the Israeli government on America and the “apartheid conditions that Palestinians are subjected to.” He says that “Even newspapers in Israel are willing to discuss this issue openly, but it is essentially never permitted in the United States.” He praises J-Street for challenging “AIPAC’s monopoly control of the discussion” and Peace Now. He expresses his pleasure that an anti-Zionist group called the American Council for Judaism has growing support.

The American Council for Judaism is opposed the concept of Jewish nationality and a Jewish state.
The editor of its publications, Allan C. Brownfield, told the New York Times that “While we wish Israel well, we don’t view it as our homeland.” In the fall of 2010, he wrote a glowing book review of “The Dark Side of Zionism.” The title speaks for itself.

In spring 2009, the American Council for Judaism’s Issues publication carried an article by Yakov M. Rabkin that defends Iran and bashes Israel. He writes that Jews are treated well in Iran and that “the role of the Israel Lobby has been seminal in the anti-Iran hysteria.”

“The religiously inspired Iranian president predicts the end of the Zionist regime, but he does not threaten to massacre the inhabitants of Israel,” the ACJ’s publication states. The author agrees with Ahmadinejad in predicting the eventual disappearance of Israel and talks about the “contradictions” between Zionism and Judaism. He also says that Zionism “takes precedence over the human welfare and the very survival of the Jews.” This is the group that Ron Paul speaks fondly of.

Voters first saw a glimpse of Paul’s attitude towards Israel during an argument with Newt Gingrich. The former House speaker was under fire for calling the Palestinians an “invented” people. Paul did not necessarily disagree, conceding that “Technically and historically” Gingrich is right. He then added, “You know, under the Ottoman Empire, the Palestinians didn’t have a state, but neither did Israel have a state then, too.”

Ron Paul defends Iran’s innocence, going so far as to say there is no evidence that it is seeking a nuclear weapon, stands in sharp contrast to the heaps of criticism he levels towards Israel. In January 2009, he talked to Iranian state TV about the “tragedy of Gaza” (his words) and said, “To me, I look at it like a concentration camp, and people [in Gaza] are making homemade bombs, like they are the aggressors?”

He made similar comments in an interview in June 2010 with Don Imus, calling the flotilla raid “horrible” and again accusing Israel of turning the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip into a “concentration camp” by blocking the arrival of humanitarian aid.

He consistently paints the terrorist threat as beginning and ending with U.S. support for Israel. He writes in “A Foreign Policy of Freedom” that American “dollars and weapons are being used against the Palestinians as the Palestinian territory shrinks and Israel’s occupation expands.” Elsewhere in the book, he complains that “all recent presidents have reiterated our obligation to bleed for Israel.”

Ron Paul stresses that he is not an enemy of Israel. He calls the country America’s “best friend,” and says the U.S. should be a “friend” and not a “master.” He says that U.S. foreign aid is used to coerce Israel and “They are a democracy and we share many values with them.” Paul says that his opposition to foreign aid is in line with Zionism, which asserts Jewish independence and self-reliance. However, that is a separate question from whether he believes Israel’s foundations are legitimate, and, furthermore, he says that the U.S. should be a “friend” to all countries.

Ron Paul’s old newsletters are being reviewed now that he is in the top tier. James Kirchick tracked almost all of them down and observed that “No foreign country was mentioned in the newsletters more often than Israel.” A 1987 issue calls the country an “aggressive, national socialist state.” In 1990, it warned of the “tens of thousands of well-placed friends of Israel in all countries who are willing to wok [sic] for the Mossad in their area of experience.”

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, his newsletter stated, “Whether it was a setup by the Israeli Mossad, as a Jewish friend of mine suspects, or was truly a retaliation by the Islamic fundamentalists, matters little.” Another talked about “The Israeli lobby, which plays Congress like a cheap harmonica.” In November 1993, it referred to Bobby Fischer, an anti-Semitic Holocaust denier, as an “American hero” with views that are “very politically incorrect on Jewish questions.” The text seemed to decry the fact that that his opinions were overshadowing his accomplishments as a master chess player.

Ron Paul says he did not read the newsletters before they were published and does not agree with their content. His campaign says that he “did not write, edit or authorize” them and that he completely rejects their bigotry.

Eric Dondero claims that Paul “strenuously does not believe the United States had any business getting involved in fighting Hitler in WWII. He expressed to me countless times, that ‘saving the Jews,’ was absolutely none of our business.” Blogger Jeffrey Scott Shapiro recalls a conversation he had with Paul in 2009 on the subject. He quotes Paul as saying that he “wouldn’t risk American lives to do that [stop the Holocaust]” if it is “purely as a moral imperative.”

“If someone wants to do that on their own because they want to do that, well, that’s fine, but I wouldn’t do that,” he quotes Paul.
He is on record as describing himself as part of the “Old Right,” a movement that opposed U.S. involvement in World War Two.

Dondero also says that Paul opposed the war in Afghanistan and any retaliation for 9/11, “pretty much forbade us staffers from engaging in any sort of [9/11] memorial expressions” and privately questioned whether 9/11 was an inside job. Ron Paul has repeatedly denied that he believes in 9/11 conspiracy theories, but in an interview in October, he was asked why he wouldn’t talk about the “truth” behind 9/11. He responded that he “just can’t handle the controversy.”

Rep. Ron Paul can state that he’s a friend to Israel all he wants, but the published record stands. He views Israel as the catalyst for 9/11, defends Iran’s innocence, parrots the anti-Israeli propaganda of Hamas, and upholds an anti-Zionist organization that views Israel as an oppressive, illegitimate state. That is not a friend.
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X2! If people dont vote for Paul, that country is in big trouble.

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