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... By the TSA at the Nashville Airport. This is according to the facebook feeds of Sen. Rand Paul, Rep. Ron Paul, and Judge Andrew Napolitano.
U.S. Constitution... Article 1, Section 6
"The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place."
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Result? Ron paul just went up 3 points in florida ;)
(CNN) -- Authorities blocked U.S. Sen. Rand Paul at the Nashville airport Monday after the Kentucky Republican refused a pat-down at a security checkpoint, his spokeswoman said.
Paul went through a scanner at the airport and set off an alarm, said his spokeswoman, Moira Bagley. He wanted to go through the body scan again instead of getting a pat-down, but officers of the Transportation Security Administration refused, Bagley said.
Paul, one of the most conservative members of the Senate, is an outspoken critic of what he characterizes as an overly obtrusive federal government threatening to strip of citizens of various rights and civil liberties.
He is the son of Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination.
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How utterly absurd. The TSA needs to go.
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Cter in me says that ron sent rand to do this...
just 10 hours before the GOp debate...
in a state where TSA is despised and tea party is loved...
on purpose ;) to move conversation to civil liberties, where ron paul is #1.
Whattya think, 33?
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I'd say this is Rand Paul just being Rand Paul... People in the "Old World" are falling out of their seats laughing at us right now. Can you believe that a US Senator is:
1. Subject to pat-downs by TSA perverts and invasive body scanners?
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2. Subject to being detained unconstitutionally by the US government?
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What the hell?
???
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The MSM is already portraying this as Rands fault. Lol good grief.
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What, did they think he had a bomb in his shoes?
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good, i have to go through them so should he
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Again, utterly unconstitutional:
"The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place."
U.S. Constitution: Article 1, Section 6
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good, i have to go through them so should he
He's been fighting for your right to not go through it. AND he was not allowed to go back through the machine. Furthermore, it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL to detain a Senator like this. The TSA must go and all of their thugs and perverts should be fired.
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it doesn't bother me one bit to have to go though the scanner,no big deal
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it doesn't bother me one bit to have to go though the scanner,no big deal
Again, he went through the scanner, something was wrong, so he wanted to go through the scanner again. The TSA goons refused to let him through the scanner again and wanted to pat him down. He insisted on going through the scanner again, so they detained him. This is all UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
But hey, I forgot that Obamabots like you only care about the Constitution and civil liberties when the Republicans control government.
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it doesn't bother me one bit to have to go though the scanner,no big deal
Of coarse the bigger picture is lost on you, fool.
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It bothers me immensely... I went through it yesterday.
At first I was pissed because the guy in front of me was in the military and didn't even have to remove his boots... Thought that was bullshit.
Then I went through and he, an active member of our military, was being given the 3rd degree by some TSA snot bag.
This guy goes to die for these fuckers and they give his shoes a pass, then grab his nuts?
What is wrong with these clowns?
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so what, get the pat down, takes ten seconds,just wanted to make a big deal of it
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so what, get the pat down, takes ten seconds,just wanted to make a big deal of it
I'm sure in the 1930s someone said, "So what, just wear the star, it takes ten seconds to put it on."
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so what, get the pat down, takes ten seconds,just wanted to make a big deal of it
Some people don't want to get their junk touched by TSA perverts.
BTW, someone save this comment for a few years from now when blacken is bitching about abuses of civil liberties when a Republican is in the White House.
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I'm sure in the 1930s someone said, "So what, just wear the star, it takes ten seconds to put it on."
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I'm sure in the 1930s someone said, "So what, just wear the star, it takes ten seconds to put it on."
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Some people don't want to get their junk touched by TSA perverts.
BTW, someone save this comment for a few years from now when blacken is bitching about abuses of civil liberties when a Republican is in the White House.
you really think these guy want to feel your balls ::)
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you really think these guy want to feel your balls ::)
Doesn't matter. What matters is that I don't want those government goons to feel me up.
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so what, get the pat down, takes ten seconds,just wanted to make a big deal of it
You have made a perfect communist drone in the USSR. no wonder you are in love with The Crooner-in-Chief
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You have made a perfect communist drone in the USSR. no wonder you are in love with The Crooner-in-Chief
what the fu#k you worried about the tsa isn't doing to your appartment ;D
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what the fu#k you worried about the tsa isn't doing to your appartment ;D
I have the right to travel without having my balls touched by TSA thugs.
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I'm sure in the 1930s someone said, "So what, just wear the star, it takes ten seconds to put it on."
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good, i have to go through them so should he
You support this shit, Paul doesn't. Do you think Obama or Hillary would submit to being felt up? Hell no and they support the shit.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/26/AR2010112604290.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/26/AR2010112604290.html)
The TSA is invasive, annoying - and unconstitutional
by Jeffrey Rosen, a law professor at George Washington University
One advocacy group, the Electronic Privacy Information Center, has already filed a lawsuit, calling the body scanners unconstitutional. Could this challenge succeed?
Courts evaluating airport-screening technology tend to give great deference to the government's national security interest in preventing terrorist attacks. But in this case, there's a strong argument that the TSA's measures violate the Fourth Amendment, which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures.
Although the Supreme Court hasn't evaluated airport screening technology, lower courts have emphasized, as the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit ruled in 2007, that "a particular airport security screening search is constitutionally reasonable provided that it 'is no more extensive nor intensive than necessary, in the light of current technology, to detect the presence of weapons or explosives.' "
In a 2006 opinion for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 3rd Circuit, then-Judge Samuel Alito stressed that screening procedures must be both "minimally intrusive" and "effective" - in other words, they must be "well-tailored to protect personal privacy," and they must deliver on their promise of discovering serious threats. Alito upheld the practices at an airport checkpoint where passengers were first screened with walk-through magnetometers and then, if they set off an alarm, with hand-held wands. He wrote that airport searches are reasonable if they escalate "in invasiveness only after a lower level of screening disclose(s) a reason to conduct a more probing search."
As currently used in U.S. airports, the new full-body scanners fail all of Alito's tests.
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i don't think they fly to many commercial flights
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You support this shit, Paul doesn't. Do you think Obama or Hillary would submit to being felt up? Hell no and they support the shit.
HUH??? Obama would love getting felt up by another man. he is gay as shit.
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i don't think they fly to many commercial flights
Do you want Rand Paul to apologize for saving taxpayer money by taking a commercial flight instead of taking his own private jet, like Nancy Pelosi does?
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Do you want Rand Paul to apologize for saving taxpayer money by taking a commercial flight instead of taking his own private jet, like Nancy Pelosi does?
i want him to go though the scanner,and if he sets it off get the pat down,and stop trying to make a fu#cking publicity stunt out of it
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Gee I didn't know Obama came up with the Patriot Act.... ::)
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Gee I didn't know Obama came up with the Patriot Act.... ::)
He fucking renewed it man.
Let's be clear, he didn't create it, but when he had a chance to let it expire, he didn't do it.
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Gee I didn't know Obama came up with the Patriot Act.... ::)
He only expanded it greatly an allowed the TSA goons to unionize
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i want him to go though the scanner,and if he sets it off get the pat down,and stop trying to make a fu#cking publicity stunt out of it
Whatever happened to having the freedom to travel without having government goons touch your balls?
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Whatever happened to having the freedom to travel without having government goons touch your balls?
Blacken is a socialist/obamunist what else do you expect?
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Whatever happened to having the freedom to travel without having government goons touch your balls?
box cutters, shoe bombs and whatever else these nuts can think of
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box cutters, shoe bombs and whatever else these nuts can think of
Let me carry my gun and problem solved.
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box cutters, shoe bombs and whatever else these nuts can think of
If airlines and airports were allowed to take care of their own security, that problem would be minimized without violating our civil liberties.
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box cutters, shoe bombs and whatever else these nuts can think of
Seriously? We had a rash of this shit? Come on... 4 planes, one day and the universe crumbles?
Bullshit... It was a knee jerk reaction to a random issue.
We put the lowest common denominator as the keeper of our safety?
Have you paid attention to the cro-magons they use? My 10 year old son has more common sense than most of those yahoos.
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He fucking renewed it man.
Let's be clear, he didn't create it, but when he had a chance to let it expire, he didn't do it.
Over 3/4 of the Senate signed off on it...even with a veto, it still would have happenned.
In any event, the Patriot Act is an unfortunate thing that's needed thanks to people starting unnessesary wars with other countries..... ::)
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Let me carry my gun and problem solved.
You shoot a gun on an airplane and everyone will die from rapid decompression you fucking moron
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Over 3/4 of the Senate signed off on it...even with a veto, it still would have happenned.
In any event, the Patriot Act is an unfortunate thing that's needed thanks to people starting unnessesary wars with other countries..... ::)
It is NOT needed. It was never needed.
I don't care if 3/4 of the Senate signed off on it... If one person stands up and says "NO MORE" then shit will change.
If 90% of people are doing wrong, it doesn't make it ok for the other 10 percent to do wrong as well. I would think you would be against the Patriot act as the type of person who is trying to get off of the grid and go it alone.
Wouldn't you just want the government out of your business? The patriot act will make someone like you look like a terrorist.
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If airlines and airports were allowed to take care of their own security, that problem would be minimized without violating our civil liberties.
how would they check the passengers
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It is NOT needed. It was never needed.
I don't care if 3/4 of the Senate signed off on it... If one person stands up and says "NO MORE" then shit will change.
If 90% of people are doing wrong, it doesn't make it ok for the other 10 percent to do wrong as well. I would think you would be against the Patriot act as the type of person who is trying to get off of the grid and go it alone.
Wouldn't you just want the government out of your business? The patriot act will make someone like you look like a terrorist.
Always an excuse for Obama's actions/inactions from the peanut gallery. They will defend anything he does, even if it mimics the same bs they cursed bush over.
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how would they check the passengers
Whatever way is deemed necessary by the airlines and (by extension) the passengers. What they choose ultimately doesn't matter, what matters is that they have a choice. Right now, there is no choice and everyone is subjected to being molested by government goons.
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x rays or pat downs thats the way they would check you,or maybe they could just ask you
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x rays or pat downs thats the way they would check you,or maybe they could just ask you
Being the pervert you are, perhaps you enjoy the TSA pat downs?
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Being the pervert you are, perhaps you enjoy the TSA pat downs?
no, i just see no other way
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You shoot a gun on an airplane and everyone will die from rapid decompression you fucking moron
wrong ::) Now I know bullets flying around a plane at high altitude is a very bad idea but a bullet sized hole through the plane is not going to kill everyone instantly. That's an absurd notion. You need a bigger hole than that. Pilot would see the decompression and be able to come down well before it started killing people.
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blacken, are you just trolling or do you really believe this crap you're saying?
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White House sides with TSA in Rand Paul standoff
By Keith Laing - 01/23/12 01:24 PM ET
www.thehill.com
The White House is standing by the Transportation Security Administration in its standoff with Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and his father, Republican presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas).
The elder Paul called the TSA a "police state" Monday after Rand Paul was reportedly detained by TSA after he refused to take a pat-down from TSA officials at the Nashville International Airport.
White House press secretary Jay Carney said Monday that he didn't have any reaction to Paul's "police state" comments.
But Carney sided with the TSA saying, "I think it is absolutely essential that we take necessary actions to ensure that air travel is safe."
Ron Paul, who is one of four remaining Republican candidates for president, disagreed Monday afternoon. Paul said after he confirmed the incident involving Rand Paul on his Twitter page that it showed why the TSA should be eliminated.
"The police state in this country is growing out of control," the elder Paul said in a statement released by his presidential campaign.
"One of the ultimate embodiments of this is the TSA that gropes and grabs our children, our seniors, and our loved ones and neighbors with disabilities," he continued. "The TSA does all of this while doing nothing to keep us safe. That is why my ‘Plan to Restore America,’ in additional to cutting $1 trillion dollars in federal spending in one year, eliminates the TSA."
TSA has defended its treatment of Rand Paul, saying that its employees in Nashville followed its normal procedure with the senator, who has often sharply criticized the agency's pat-downs before he refused one Monday morning.
"When an irregularity is found during the TSA screening process, it must be resolved prior to allowing a passenger to proceed to the secure area of the airport," the agency said Monday in a written statement. "Passengers who refuse to complete the screening process cannot be granted access to the secure area in order to ensure the safety of others traveling."
U.S. security officials denied that Rand Paul was held by the agency. Instead, they said the senator was escorted out of the security area after his refusal to accept a pat-down after his trip through one of the agency's X-ray machines caused issues.
Both Pauls have been vocal critics of the TSA, calling for the controversial agency to be disbanded.
TSA said in a statement that "the passenger," Rand Paul, "has since rebooked on another flight and was rescreened without incident."
—Amie Parnes contributed to this report.
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blacken, are you just trolling or do you really believe this crap you're saying?
the scanners don't bother me
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the scanners don't bother me
So what doesn't bother YOU should be a measure of what the rest of America should be willing to take? Wow, that's believing in freedom and liberty ::)
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the scanners don't bother me
Because you are a stupid cocksucking fag who likes getting fucked in the ass by the government and all their completely illegal activities.
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So what doesn't bother YOU should be a measure of what the rest of America should be willing to take? Wow, that's believing in freedom and liberty ::)
blackass is a "progressive", the idea of freedom never enters into his mind.
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blackass is a "progressive", the idea of freedom never enters into his mind.
you don't think my opinion matters anyway so I don't know why you're telling me. I voted for Obama so "I don't get it" right... lol...
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you don't think my opinion matters anyway so I don't know why you're telling me. I voted for Obama so "I don't get it" right... lol...
I was talking about what the average "GOP PRIMARY VOTER" wants and feels at this point.
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So what doesn't bother YOU should be a measure of what the rest of America should be willing to take? Wow, that's believing in freedom and liberty ::)
why does it bother so much to walk though a scanner
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why does it bother so much to walk though a scanner
Because having your wife and child irradiated and viewed naked by fat, worthless, government scumbags is not something that most Americans want to deal with.
I'm sure that little bitch of a press secretary jay carney likes it when a big burly TSA child molester grabs his crotch every time he flies
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Because having your wife and child irradiated and viewed naked by fat, worthless, government scumbags is not something that most Americans want to deal with.
I'm sure that little bitch of a press secretary jay carney likes it when a big burly TSA child molester grabs his crotch every time he flies
Blacken has no problems with TSA pedos.
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just walk though the scanner :'(
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Rand Paul on TSA detainment: ‘I was barked at: ‘Do not leave the cubicle!”
By Matthew Boyle - The Daily Caller 3:24 PM 01/23/2012
Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul told The Daily Caller that being “detained” by the Transportation Security Administration at the Nashville airport Monday was a major ordeal that underscores flaws in TSA’s procedures that affect tens of millions of passengers every year.
“It was a big headache,” Paul said in a phone interview. “I missed my speech here. I was supposed to speak to the Right to Life March, probably the biggest audience I’ll get to speak to, and I missed it.”
The White House, through spokesman Jay Carney, defended the TSA’s actions during Monday’s press briefing by arguing that Paul wasn’t technically “detained.”
“Let’s be clear,” Carney said. “The passenger was not detained. He was escorted out of the area by local law-enforcement.”
But Sen. Paul told TheDC that he certainly felt like he was detained. “If you’re told you can’t leave, does that count as detention?” Paul asked.
“I tried to leave the cubicle to speak to one of the TSA people and I was barked at: ‘Do not leave the cubicle!’ So, that, to me sounds like I’m being asked not to leave the cubicle. It sounds a little bit like I’m being detained.”
The incident started after the scanner Paul walked through sounded its alarm. Current TSA rules would require Paul to undergo a mandatory pat-down before proceeding to his plane. But Paul told TheDC that the TSA agents caved in after a two-hour battle and allowed him to go through the scanner again without additional physical screening.
“For an hour and a half, they said ‘absolutely, I would have to [accept a pat-down],’” Paul said. “And, because I used my cell phone, they told me I would have to do a full body pat down because you’re not allowed to use your cell phone when you’re being detained.”
“It’s like, well, I can’t call my attorney? I can’t call my office to tell them I’m going to miss a speech to 200,000 people?”
“In the end, after two hours of this quarreling,” Sen. Paul explained, “they did let me walk through the screener [machine] and it didn’t go off. So what the TSA is not telling you is the screeners are being used as random devices as well. The [mechanical] screeners will go off randomly, and the [agent] screeners don’t know that it’s a random call but it has nothing to do with what you’ve done.”
Paul doesn’t think the Nashville TSA agents were singling him out because he has been critical of the agency.
“I don’t think so,” Paul said. “They’ve usually treated me pretty well in Nashville. But the problem is the rules that are coming out of Washington. We’ve been 10 years and we have no frequent flier program, we have no ability for people to go back through the screener, [and] one-size-fits-all, everybody-is-a-potential-terrorist rules waste a lot of time on people who are not terrorists.
“So, resources, I think, could be better devoted to looking at who’s flying and where they’ve been flying and knowing more about the passenger list rather than spending all this time doing these random screenings of elderly people, young people and frequent fliers.”
Paul has dueled with TSA administrator John Pistole during Senate hearings about why travelers are required to consent to mandatory full body pat downs if scanners beep when they walk through. Paul argues that passengers should be allowed to choose to go through the scanners again rather than being forced to undergo a physical pat-down.
“The TSA has got a lot of problems,” Paul told TheDC. “There are a lot of people who are insulted and their dignity is compromised by what the TSA does to them. Really all I’m asking for is when you go through the screener [machine], you ought to be allowed to choose to get a body pat-down or choose to go back through the screener.”
TSA procedures, he said, ultimately waste time and resources. “So, if you try to comply, if you take your shoes off, you take your glasses off, you take your wallet out, you take everything out of your pockets and try to comply, it still goes off randomly.”
“But then you’re made to think that, ‘Oh, there’s a problem. We have to look at this,’” Paul said. “But, they’re wasting time, I think, by doing this. Instead of targeting people who meet a risk profile for terrorism, what they’re doing is they’re just doing these random things. But, I think it’s a waste of time and it’s insulting to put people through a body pat down when they have not shown any risk.”
“I think every American should be allowed to go back through the screener if they don’t choose to have a pat-down,” Paul insisted.
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Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/23/rand-paul-on-tsa-detainment-i-was-barked-at-do-not-leave-the-cubicle/#ixzz1kJs8EbVY
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The TSA states that Rand Paul was "not detained at any point". He was simply "denied access to the secure gate area" and cordoned off into a holding area. I'm not entirely sure when not being allowed to leave a holding area is NOT detention, but I haven't received the latest edition of the Newspeak dictionary yet.
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I love how that piece of garbage refers to Sen Paul, "The passenger"
What the hell ever.
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LOL 3333, I love the way Senator Rand Paul puts things in that article:
I tried to leave the cubicle to speak to one of the TSA people and I was barked at: ‘Do not leave the cubicle!’ So, that, to me sounds like I’m being asked not to leave the cubicle. It sounds a little bit like I’m being detained.
Hmmm, ya think? ;D
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“Let’s be clear,” Carney said. “The passenger was not detained. He was escorted out of the area by local law-enforcement.”
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Obama uses that ridiculous phrase all the time as well. "Lemmme Be Clear", usually what follows is a bunch of lies.
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The TSA states that Rand Paul was "not detained at any point". He was simply "denied access to the secure gate area" and cordoned off into a holding area. I'm not entirely sure when not being allowed to leave a holding area is NOT detention, but I haven't received the latest edition of the Newspeak dictionary yet.
If you are being told not to leave, you are fucking detained.
If you ask if you are free to go and they say no... You are detained.
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I love how that piece of garbage refers to Sen Paul, "The passenger"
What the hell ever.
yes, absolutely... That sack of shit needs to refer to him as Senator Rand Paul...
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Not happy with some of the things he's supporting in this video.
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yes, absolutely... That sack of shit needs to refer to him as Senator Rand Paul...
Agreed... He's a fucking elected official.
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um.... why cant we just do what Israel does?
How many plane hijackings and plane bombings do they have?
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Not happy with some of the things he's supporting in this video.
Like what? I think he usually presents a more moderate vision, but what he really wants is more radical.
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Like what? I think he usually presents a more moderate vision, but what he really wants is more radical.
Yea, I do like Rand and most of what he says and I don't mean to sound like I'm attacking him... I just cringed a bit with the promotion of a frequent flyer preferred pass idea. That in itself has potential ramifications that are not cool.
The idea of a society where you have to have all your shit checked inside and out in order to do normal mundane things like travel from point A to point B without a hassle is just fucked in its concept and totally out of the American concept IMO.
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This is the Obama administration..they could give a f!@k about the constitution.
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You shoot a gun on an airplane and everyone will die from rapid decompression you fucking moron
I don't think so...
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You shoot a gun on an airplane and everyone will die from rapid decompression you fucking moron
If a single bullet opens a hole in the aluminum skin of a plane, the pressure system can compensate... as long as it doesn't blow out a complete window (which will cause too much pressure loss at one time) then there's really a non-issue.
Movies are just movies.
Lots of BS in them.
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i love when that happens in movies... it's always some fat guy with a funny face getting blown out the side of his plane in his chair - taking big chunk out of the wall. but somehow cabin pressure remains so the hero, hot chick and bad guy (soon to plummet to his death with a gearshift in his gut) can still breathe. Awesome!
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If a single bullet opens a hole in the aluminum skin of a plane, the pressure system can compensate... as long as it doesn't blow out a complete window (which will cause too much pressure loss at one time) then there's really a non-issue.
Movies are just movies.
Lots of BS in them.
Vince is the same guy that thinks airsoft rifles can be converted into real machine guns.
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You shoot a gun on an airplane and everyone will die from rapid decompression you fucking moron
Whos the fucking moron here? Go fuck yourself.
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i love when that happens in movies... it's always some fat guy with a funny face getting blown out the side of his plane in his chair - taking big chunk out of the wall. but somehow cabin pressure remains so the hero, hot chick and bad guy (soon to plummet to his death with a gearshift in his gut) can still breathe. Awesome!
ha...true.
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Rand Paul calm during TSA patdown, video shows
Politico ^ | 01/26/2012 | Mackenzie Weinger
Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:31:53 PM by B Knotts
Security footage of Sen. Rand Paul after he refused a full body pat-down at the Nashville International Airport on Monday does not show the Kentucky Republican acting “irate,” as the police had described him, according to a report.
n the videos, released by the Metro Airport Authority and posted on The Nashville Tennessean, Paul can be seen standing and sitting in a waiting area as he speaks on his cell phone. The Tennessean reported Thursday that the police incident report describes officers responding to a “passenger being irate,” but the footage offers no visible evidence of that behavior.
Paul had triggered an alarm during routine airport screening on Monday and refused a targeted pat-down. His spokesperson told POLITICO Paul “was being detained indefinitely.” The senator later rebooked his flight and went through security without incident.
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
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Of course the thug and commie sycophant Carney believes the TSA.
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hahha fucking police lying about it. lock their asses up for lying on that report!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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hahha fucking police lying about it. lock their asses up for lying on that report!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
LOL at those ignorant hapless idiots in the TSA who did not know who he was!!!!
If i saw saw Rand walking down the street - i would stalk him and get signature and picture.