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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Ross Erstling on January 28, 2012, 12:57:47 PM
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Let's make some important distinctions between GOOD GENETICS..
There are GOOD GENES for MUSCLE MASS..
There are GOOD GENES for being LEAN..
There are GOOD GENES for muscular SHAPE..
There are GOOD GENES for SKELETAL STRUCTURE..
And then there are GOOD GENES for ALL OF THE ABOVE.
Out of the characteristics that determine one's genetic potential for bodybuilding, I have 3 of the 4; I am extremely LEAN naturally, I have great SHAPE, and I have an awesome structure at 5"10 and a 29 inch waist. The only thing that I don't have are awesome genes for sheer muscle mass..
I think Arnold was kind of in the same boat as I am, which is why his build was always considered inferior to Serigo's--who posessed ALL OF THE BODYBUILDING GENES.
Top genetics in bodybuilding, of all-time, in my opnion:
1.) Sergio Oliva(4/4)
2.) Ronnie Coleman(4/4)
3.) Flex Wheeler(4/4)
4.) Kevin Levrone(4/4)
5.) Kai Greene(4/4)
6.) Robby Robinson(4/4)
7.) Lou Ferrigno(4/4)
8.) Arnold(4/4)
9.) Dorian Yates(3/4) - Lacking STRUCTURAL genes
10.) Frank Zane(3/4) - Lacking SIZE genes
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The list is spot on, eventhough I think arnold is above robby and flex
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Genetics
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Pretty good list.... I would place Ronnie as first though....
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shouldn't ross erstling be sharing spot number 8 because the man who made this list claims ross erstling is as big as arnold.
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Fair list I might put Arnie higher maybe I'm biased.
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SERGIO IS KING OF GENETICS! :)
Compare Sergio's structure to Ronnie's..
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Serge Nubret and Haney
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Michael Lockett
Skip lacour
Pat Banya
Jeff Willet
Adrain
Ron Coleman
Ronnie Coleman
Kai Green
Delino Dixon
Ade Rai
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shouldn't ross estling be sharing spot number 8 because the man who made this list claims ross estling is as big as arnold.
At least he doesnt claims to be on 5 grams of test, 1,2 gr tren and 30 ui hgh ::)
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What about the Beef?
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/fox/bf17.jpg)(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/350x0/f/b/fbaa7-055.jpg)
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LOL Kai's on the list but Haney is not..GTFO Cock nosed Hebrah
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shouldn't ross erstling be sharing spot number 8 because the man who made this list claims ross erstling is as big as arnold.
I have a photoshoot next week and am posting pics on ProM, be sure to check them out! I am not claiming to be better than Arnold, I made the comparison more than once however..:)
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LOL Kai's on the list but Haney is not..GTFO Cock nosed Hebrah
Haney is the most overrated bodybuilder of all-time. WHO THE HELL mentions LEE HANEY when they talk about the ideal physique? It's all Arnold, Flex, Ronnie, Levrone..
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JMO
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At least he doesnt claims to be on 5 grams of test, 1,2 gr tren and 30 ui hgh ::)
i don't think anyone claims to run those cycles considering the only people who would run cycles like that would be a pros and the only cycles they claim to use are unicycles and NOexplode cycles.
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More..
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Haney is the most overrated bodybuilder of all-time. WHO THE HELL mentions LEE HANEY when they talk about the ideal physique? It's all Arnold, Flex, Ronnie, Levrone..
Ideal physique, haha
(http://goldenmuscles.com/wp-content/gallery/ronnie-coleman/2006-mr-olympia-finals-79-ronnie-coleman-jay-cutler_20090831_1565583599.jpg)
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Haney is the most overrated bodybuilder of all-time. WHO THE HELL mentions LEE HANEY when they talk about the ideal physique? It's all Arnold, Flex, Ronnie, Levrone..
Yeah,who would mention a guy with 8 fucking Sandows?
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Let's make some important distinctions between GOOD GENETICS..
There are GOOD GENES for MUSCLE MASS..
There are GOOD GENES for being LEAN..
There are GOOD GENES for muscular SHAPE..
There are GOOD GENES for SKELETAL STRUCTURE..
And then there are GOOD GENES for ALL OF THE ABOVE.
Out of the characteristics that determine one's genetic potential for bodybuilding, I have 3 of the 4; I am extremely LEAN naturally, I have great SHAPE, and I have an awesome structure at 5"10 and a 29 inch waist. The only thing that I don't have are awesome genes for sheer muscle mass..
I think Arnold was kind of in the same boat as I am, which is why his build was always considered inferior to Serigo's--who posessed ALL OF THE BODYBUILDING GENES.
Top genetics in bodybuilding, of all-time, in my opnion:
1.) Sergio Oliva(4/4)
2.) Ronnie Coleman(4/4)
3.) Flex Wheeler(4/4)
4.) Kevin Levrone(4/4)
5.) Kai Greene(4/4)
6.) Robby Robinson(4/4)
7.) Lou Ferrigno(4/4)
8.) Arnold(4/4)
9.) Dorian Yates(3/4) - Lacking STRUCTURAL genes
10.) Frank Zane(3/4) - Lacking SIZE genes
Sergio was rarely lean
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Haney is the most overrated bodybuilder of all-time. WHO THE HELL mentions LEE HANEY when they talk about the ideal physique? It's all Arnold, Flex, Ronnie, Levrone..
Yeah, an 8 time Mr. O undefeated as Mr. O overrated.... ::)
I'd rather look like Haney than Ronnie, Levrone and even narrow babychest Flex.
Arnold 6'1
Haney 5'11.5
Flex 5'9.5
Ronnie 5'10
Levrone 5'9
Arnold or Haney height counts also...Sergio is the only average height fella, I'd go with.
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Haney is the most overrated bodybuilder of all-time. WHO THE HELL mentions LEE HANEY when they talk about the ideal physique? It's all Arnold, Flex, Ronnie, Levrone..
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_g93bcGvgWBo/TFwvBXN1iMI/AAAAAAAAI64/PZzx5eYox7I/s1600/LeeHaney-FLX-ArtZeller-750.jpg)
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;D
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Yeah, an 8 time Mr. O undefeated as Mr. O overrated.... ::)
I'd rather look like Haney than Ronnie, Levrone and even narrow babychest Flex.
Arnold 6'1
Haney 5'11.5
Flex 5'9.5
Ronnie 5'10
Levrone 5'9
Arnold or Haney height counts also...Sergio is the only average height fella, I'd go with.
This isn't about WHO YOU'D RATHER LOOK LIKE, it's a MEASURE OF GENETIC POTENTIAL. HANEY was not a genetic gift, in my opinion. He had good mass, but an awful structure and shape.
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I actually think one could make a more credible case for Haney being the most underrated than the most overrated.
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;D
Ronnie getting destroyed.
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I actually think one could make a more credible case for Haney being the most underrated than the most overrated.
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what is wrong with dorian's structure??..
as for lee haney i see him on the top of this list!!..
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Lol @ Yates lacking structural genetics. Lacking muscular shape maybe, but not structure.
Genetically speaking, Yates is right up there with Coleman.
Wide ass shoulders, short torso, low lat insertions, long legs.
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This isn't about WHO YOU'D RATHER LOOK LIKE, it's a MEASURE OF GENETIC POTENTIAL. HANEY was not a genetic gift, in my opinion. He had good mass, but an awful structure and shape.
Oh my ::)
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This isn't about WHO YOU'D RATHER LOOK LIKE, it's a MEASURE OF GENETIC POTENTIAL. HANEY was not a genetic gift, in my opinion. He had good mass, but an awful structure and shape.
Got it. In that case, He was the mass monster of his time. the only knock anyone can put on Haney is his arms. Dude even had calves....There is nothing wrong with his structure or shape...Please explain.
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Got it. In that case, He was the mass monster of his time. the only knock anyone can put on Haney is his arms. Dude even had calves....There is nothing wrong with his structure or shape...Please explain.
Yeah, epic fail on Ross' part.
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Listen, HANEY is one of the GREATS, but in terms of pure GENETIC POTENTIAL, he doesn't make the TOP 10.
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Got it. In that case, He was the mass monster of his time. the only knock anyone can put on Haney is his arms. Dude even had calves....There is nothing wrong with his structure or shape...Please explain.
Right
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Oh my ::)
Hahahahahahahhahahahahah haha. This is my new favorite getbig pic.
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how much more genetic potential do you need than winning 8 sandows? shit man, what's your criteria here for genetic potential? are you talking aesthetically shaped structure, their v-taper, or how much mass they hold?
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Listen, HANEY is one of the GREATS, but in terms of pure GENETIC POTENTIAL, he doesn't make the TOP 10.
You know jackshit about bodybuilding...........H aney won the OLYMPIA 8 times in a row.
NUFF SAID!!
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His structure was not lacking
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Listen, HANEY is one of the GREATS, but in terms of pure GENETIC POTENTIAL, he doesn't make the TOP 10.
WTF is pure genetic potential ?
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Listen, HANEY is one of the GREATS, but in terms of pure GENETIC POTENTIAL, he doesn't make the TOP 10.
But his genetic potential won him 8 Sandows. How does that mean he isn't a great in terms of genetic potential?
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You know jackshit about bodybuilding...........H aney won the OLYMPIA 8 times in a row.
NUFF SAID!!
It's a POLITICALLY DOMINATED SPORT, Olympia titles mean NOTHING TO ME. Many of my favorite bodybuilders never won the O.
HANEY IS GREAT! Stop twisting my words bro, he just doesn't BEAT ANYONE ON THE LIST.
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Prepare your anus!
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WTF is pure genetic potential ?
Genetic potential that is pure and untainted. I'm guessing cold-filtered and then processed by the 'genetic potential assessing machine' up Ross' ass.
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His structure was not lacking
GREAT PIC!
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It's a POLITICALLY DOMINATED SPORT, Olympia titles mean NOTHING TO ME. Many of my favorite bodybuilders never won the O.
HANEY IS GREAT! Stop twisting my words bro, he just doesn't BEAT ANYONE ON THE LIST.
Point out who else could have beaten him at the time of his wins please.
Thanks for playing.
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WTF is pure genetic potential ?
PURE GENETIC POTENTIAL..
There are GOOD GENES for MUSCLE MASS..
There are GOOD GENES for being LEAN..
There are GOOD GENES for muscular SHAPE..
There are GOOD GENES for SKELETAL STRUCTURE..
And then there are GOOD GENES for ALL OF THE ABOVE.
That is what my TOP 10 is based on. HANEY is CLOSE, but no cigar..
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PURE GENETIC POTENTIAL..
There are GOOD GENES for MUSCLE MASS..
There are GOOD GENES for being LEAN..
There are GOOD GENES for muscular SHAPE..
There are GOOD GENES for SKELETAL STRUCTURE..
And then there are GOOD GENES for ALL OF THE ABOVE.
That is what my TOP 10 is based on. HANEY is CLOE, but no cigar..
Lou shouldn't be on that list , Haney trumps him easily
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Lou shouldn't be on that list , Haney trumps him easily
Lou was THE LARGEST BODYBUILDER OF ALL TIME, AND A NATURAL MESOMORPH! I DISAGREE! HE OCULD HAVE BEEN EVEN BETTER TOO!
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Let's make some important distinctions between GOOD GENETICS..
There are GOOD GENES for MUSCLE MASS..
There are GOOD GENES for being LEAN..
There are GOOD GENES for muscular SHAPE..
There are GOOD GENES for SKELETAL STRUCTURE..
And then there are GOOD GENES for ALL OF THE ABOVE.
Out of the characteristics that determine one's genetic potential for bodybuilding, I have 3 of the 4; I am extremely LEAN naturally, I have great SHAPE, and I have an awesome structure at 5"10 and a 29 inch waist. The only thing that I don't have are awesome genes for sheer muscle mass..
I think Arnold was kind of in the same boat as I am, which is why his build was always considered inferior to Serigo's--who posessed ALL OF THE BODYBUILDING GENES.
Top genetics in bodybuilding, of all-time, in my opnion:
1.) Sergio Oliva(4/4)
2.) Ronnie Coleman(4/4)
3.) Flex Wheeler(4/4)
4.) Kevin Levrone(4/4)
5.) Kai Greene(4/4)
6.) Robby Robinson(4/4)
7.) Lou Ferrigno(4/4)
8.) Arnold(4/4)
9.) Dorian Yates(3/4) - Lacking STRUCTURAL genes
10.) Frank Zane(3/4) - Lacking SIZE genes
Sergio Oliva had the small structure, poor separation between biceps and triceps and muscles in general, he was never lean and a very poor back.
and lol at Dorian Yates and Zane.
And where are Phil and Jay?
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THERE'S NO WAY DORIAN MAKES TOP 10 GENETIC FREAKS. DUDE WAS REAL AVERAGE AT BEST. IM NOT TRYING TO PARROT GH15 BUT REALLY THIS DUDE GENETICALLY WAS DISMAL SANS THE CALVES. HIS ARMS ARE FUCKING ATROCIOUS. THE DUDE WAS ALL DRUGS.
GENETIC FREAKS ARE PEOPLE LIKE DILLET, LEVRONE, COLEMAN, HANEY, WHEELER, ORVILLE, ARNOLD
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It's a POLITICALLY DOMINATED SPORT, Olympia titles mean NOTHING TO ME. Many of my favorite bodybuilders never won the O.
HANEY IS GREAT! Stop twisting my words bro, he just doesn't BEAT ANYONE ON THE LIST.
so according to you lou ferrigno has a better structure than haney?! ::)
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Sergio Oliva had the small structure, poor separation between biceps and triceps and muscles in general, he was never lean and a very poor back.
and lol at Dorian Yates and Zane.
And where are Phil and Jay?
Sergio was MASSIVE!
Jay and Phil don't make the list. Jay has a very hard time staying lean and suffers from an unaesthetic shape and structure. Phil has great structure and shape, but his mass is all-drugs..
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It's no problem that this is your opinion Ross but your reasons and judging criteria are not clear..
You're also trying to make it sound objective when it's entirely subjective in this case - 'Pure genetic potential' doesn't really mean shit when it discards an 8 time Mr O in favor of Lou.
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so according to you lou ferrigno has a better structure than haney?! ::)
YES:
(http://images.wikia.com/hulk/images/6/6e/Lou-ferrigno-training-1-.jpg)
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It's no problem that this is your opinion Ross but your reasons and judging criteria are not clear..
You're also trying to make it sound objective when it's entirely subjective in this case - 'Pure genetic potential' doesn't really mean shit when it discards an 8 time Mr O in favor of Lou.
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I CLEARLY defined the critera, re-read my posts. 4 CHARACTERISTICS..
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Sergio was MASSIVE!
Jay and Phil don't make the list. Jay has a very hard time staying lean and suffers from an unaesthetic shape and structure. Phil has great structure and shape, but his mass is all-drugs..
Dude go learn what structure means in professional bodybuilding
Cormier should have made the list.
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**Compare HANEY to ROBINSON..
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lol...cock, you suck at this go back to selling supplements with daddy's money.
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**Compare HANEY to ROBINSON..
Haney was a bigger Robby with better conditioning.
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How is it possible to so stupid. Don't know shit about bb
Haney reigned supreme by being at least 20 pounds heavier than his competitors. I guess Haney is the Mr. O that has outmassed the others to the most degree. It was not before Yates came along that someone could challenge him (Mike Christian, Strydom etc - were noe real threats).
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I CLEARLY defined the critera, re-read my posts. 4 CHARACTERISTICS..
Again, read what I said: you're trying to submit something entirely subjective under the guise of objectivity. Under the objective criteria you listed, he does not beat Haney at all.
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Sergio was MASSIVE!
Jay and Phil don't make the list. Jay has a very hard time staying lean and suffers from an unaesthetic shape and structure. Phil has great structure and shape, but his mass is all-drugs..
Jay looked like god between 2001 and 2003 and has a very imposing structure.
Sergio massive? He was a small and very overrated bodybuilder especially if you judge him next to the others.
(http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/attachments/old-school-pictures/4582d1152829434-sergio-oliva-sergiooliva2.jpg)
And Phil is not more drugged than the guys of his generation so please stop hating on a bber just because GH15 decided it, you don't know what he takes and anyways, he looks crazy so who care?
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Dude go learn what structure means in professional bodybuilding
Cormier should have made the list.
Yep, Cormier top 5.
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My work here is done. Good night and good luck Ross...hahaha
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I WILL CONCEDE that he perhaps should have replaced Dorian..but again, compared to the other top 9, I think the list is accurate.
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Haney also had half decent calves - which was always Ronnie's Achilles heel
HA HA to those who think Dorian or Lee Haney aren't genetically gifted HA HA
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Arnold
Sergio
Steve Reeves
Lee Haney
Etc.
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Yep, Cormier top 5.
I can agree to that, complete oversight..
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I have an old Ironman with an interview with Robby. He tells a story from a Mr.o where he stood behind Lee Haney in line for the stage. According to Robby, standing behind Lee's back, he couldn't believe what he was seeing. He had never seen something like that - and totally lost his confidence (rightfully so - Robby was great though).
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Kai and Lou don't belong on that list....lol @ lou's lower legs.
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What a clusterfuck of a thread this is turning out to be. ;D
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In fact, personally, I would argue that this is the best blend of everything: mass, shape, structure, aesthetics etc.
However, I would never try to argue that there is some objective proof of it and this is the best example of "pure genetic potential", or whatever.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qWfhpO6oxJE/SeFpvrFyloI/AAAAAAAACLo/tONRi4R4Zqw/s400/sergenubret.jpg)
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Here`s a pic of Oliva looking small.
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Here`s a pic of Oliva looking small.
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So Smooth.
Big Sergio vs average genetic fella.
(http://www.drdarden.com/forum_images/391938.1115156368116.index.jpeg)
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In fact, personally, I would argue that this is the best blend of everything: mass, shape, structure, aesthetics etc.
However, I would never try to argue that there is some objective proof of it and this is the best example of "pure genetic potential", or whatever.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qWfhpO6oxJE/SeFpvrFyloI/AAAAAAAACLo/tONRi4R4Zqw/s400/sergenubret.jpg)
Serge was MY FAVORITE OF ALL-TIME, but HAD to leave him out, because he was an extreme ECTOMORH. GREAT BODYBUILDER! He didn't train with heavy weights either, for most of his career..
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Serge was MY FAVORITE OF ALL-TIME, but HAD to leave him out, because he was an extreme ECTOMORH. GREAT BODYBUILDER! He didn't train with heavy weights either, for most of his career..
Coughs ( Zane ) ::)
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Serge was MY FAVORITE OF ALL-TIME, but HAD to leave him out, because he was an extreme ECTOMORH. GREAT BODYBUILDER! He didn't train with heavy weights either, for most of his career..
But you put Zane in - I have no problem with that btw, just don't see why it would mean Serge couldn't be included.
The weights they trained with is surely immaterial and all that is relevant is the physique they produced?
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Reserve your copy now while they last.
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But you put Zane in - I have no problem with that btw, just don't see why it would mean Serge couldn't be included.
The weights they trained with is surely immaterial and all that is relevant is the physique they produced?
ZANE was the MOST CONDITIONED BODYBUILDER OF ALL-TIME, so head to head, Zane get's the ECTO win..
(http://cdn.simplyshredded.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/frank-zane-olympia-25.jpg)
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ZANE was the MOST CONDITIONED BODYBUILDER OF ALL-TIME
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In fact, personally, I would argue that this is the best blend of everything: mass, shape, structure, aesthetics etc.
However, I would never try to argue that there is some objective proof of it and this is the best example of "pure genetic potential", or whatever.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qWfhpO6oxJE/SeFpvrFyloI/AAAAAAAACLo/tONRi4R4Zqw/s400/sergenubret.jpg)
Others in the same vain....
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Not top ten... lmao
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Others in the same vain....
Would place all those guys above Lou.
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Yes Haney just worked out really hard and took a lot of designer supps. Had very poor genetics for bodybuilding.
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More mediocre genetics.
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What a clusterfuck of a thread this is turning out to be. ;D
Heh, yeah. At a glance, I knew it'd be a, "No, NO! Dorian's arms sucked! He's not one of the most genetically gifted!" Substitute Dorian's arms for Kai's waist, Sergio's conditioning, Arnold's hamstrings, Haney's arms, Robinson's thickness, Ronnie's calves -- etc., etc.
Purely in terms of genetic gifts, Sergio would seem at the top of the list. Dillet is up there for the sheer size of his limbs. Levrone and Padilla are up there for gaining back shit at a crazy rate (among other things). Ronnie, Dorian and Haney all qualify because each of them came in shredded at about the same height and over 250. Arnold's great for looking a shitload heavier than he actually was, in addition to decent balance.
What about guys like Phil Hernon, Phil Hill and Roy Callender? Thick as bricks and I don't recall any of those guys lacking anything.
A top 10 list is pretty much impossible to nail down unless you very, very narrowly define WHAT genetic gifts you're talking about. Dorian is, in some sense or more, one of the most genetically-gifted guys because plenty have taken similar drugs and/or trained in a comparable fashion, but who looks anything like him? Few.
But maybe I'm wrong and Dorian took X quality drugs at Y greater quantities than anyone else, thus explaining his fairly unique look. Unfortunately, unless his kid is doing the same thing, Lewis Yates looks a LOT like his daddy in certain poses, only smaller.
I know drugs rule all, but this genetic shit counts for something too. The guys who are huge as a result of drugs alone are like the fucker in those pics with the funny belly button, pec and biceps tear that people bandy about Getbig. Or some psycho like Palumbo in his heyday. Huge, yes. Shredded, yes. But just a big mess of bullshit stacked atop more bullshit.
Why didn't drugs transform the Palumbos and such into Olympians? God knows Dave abused the shit out of everything under the sun, so the simplest answer is his ilk didn't have the genes for it.
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Haney looks kinda funky with that stupid v-shape.
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ZANE was the MOST CONDITIONED BODYBUILDER OF ALL-TIME, so head to head, Zane get's the ECTO win..
(http://cdn.simplyshredded.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/frank-zane-olympia-25.jpg)
Hamdullah has good conditioning
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ZANE was the MOST CONDITIONED BODYBUILDER OF ALL-TIME, so head to head, Zane get's the ECTO win..
(http://cdn.simplyshredded.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/frank-zane-olympia-25.jpg)
Is it set in stone you can only have one ecto?
Was Serge an extreme ectomorph anyway? (I can never really tell as I think the whole soma-type thing is overcooked)
He doesn't look that markedly different to an admittedly younger Arnold here..
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EawWEIHmw5U/TAQVVVwAudI/AAAAAAAAADY/tfFkkTBDJ5g/s1600/serge+arnold1.jpg)
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Casey Viator and Mike Francois should go somewhere on some list.
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More top 20 genetics
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At least he would get a placing in the ALL-TIME Mr.O
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Hi Lee.
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Lee got out at 31 with 8 Mr.Os
Here is a couple of pics in his early twenties - before winning Mr.O
Talk about genetics... but of course, not comparable to Frank Zane...or Kai Greene...or. Ross Erstling knows his BB...
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Let's make some important distinctions between GOOD GENETICS..
There are GOOD GENES for MUSCLE MASS..
There are GOOD GENES for being LEAN..
There are GOOD GENES for muscular SHAPE..
There are GOOD GENES for SKELETAL STRUCTURE..
And then there are GOOD GENES for ALL OF THE ABOVE.
Out of the characteristics that determine one's genetic potential for bodybuilding, I have 3 of the 4; I am extremely LEAN naturally, I have great SHAPE, and I have an awesome structure at 5"10 and a 29 inch waist. The only thing that I don't have are awesome genes for sheer muscle mass..
I think Arnold was kind of in the same boat as I am, which is why his build was always considered inferior to Serigo's--who posessed ALL OF THE BODYBUILDING GENES.
Top genetics in bodybuilding, of all-time, in my opnion:
1.) Sergio Oliva(4/4)
2.) Ronnie Coleman(4/4)
3.) Flex Wheeler(4/4)
4.) Kevin Levrone(4/4)
5.) Kai Greene(4/4)
6.) Robby Robinson(4/4)
7.) Lou Ferrigno(4/4)
8.) Arnold(4/4)
9.) Dorian Yates(3/4) - Lacking STRUCTURAL genes
10.) Frank Zane(3/4) - Lacking SIZE genes
Shitty assessment on your behalf, first Sergio was never, ever shredded, Robby was never ever massive, and Lou has good shape but nothing compared to the kings of shape like Labrada, ray, Zane, Wheeler, Dex, :-\ :-[
had to edit my post thanks to Van, fuck didn't see that... Dorian lacking bone structure =stupidest post of the year, Had one of the best bone structures, at least top 5 of all time
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Talking about great genetics... Her is one with Mr.O-genetics, and the other with amateur-genetics...
On a serious note though, today the genetic part of the equation is decreasing compared to the influence of the drugs - the effects of drugs are increasing. Thats why we see superior genetics on the earlier champs. You simply couldn't be superior without superior structure, shape etc... So, even theough the number of Mr.O competitors was low earlier on - it still draw individuals with fantastic geneteics... Just imagine the line-up with Sergio, Arnold and Serge... Incredible that the gentics of the top bb's today are subpar compared with a three-men line-up in the early 70's....
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Let's make some important distinctions between GOOD GENETICS..
There are GOOD GENES for MUSCLE MASS..
There are GOOD GENES for being LEAN..
There are GOOD GENES for muscular SHAPE..
There are GOOD GENES for SKELETAL STRUCTURE..
And then there are GOOD GENES for ALL OF THE ABOVE.
Out of the characteristics that determine one's genetic potential for bodybuilding, I have 3 of the 4; I am extremely LEAN naturally, I have great SHAPE, and I have an awesome structure at 5"10 and a 29 inch waist. The only thing that I don't have are awesome genes for sheer muscle mass..
I think Arnold was kind of in the same boat as I am, which is why his build was always considered inferior to Serigo's--who posessed ALL OF THE BODYBUILDING GENES.
Top genetics in bodybuilding, of all-time, in my opnion:
1.) Sergio Oliva(4/4)
2.) Ronnie Coleman(4/4)
3.) Flex Wheeler(4/4)
4.) Kevin Levrone(4/4)
5.) Kai Greene(4/4)
6.) Robby Robinson(4/4)
7.) Lou Ferrigno(4/4)
8.) Arnold(4/4)
9.) Dorian Yates(3/4) - Lacking STRUCTURAL genes
10.) Frank Zane(3/4) - Lacking SIZE genes
lol@ 29 inch waist. ::)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=412087.0;attach=455610;image)
the most complete and best built bber ever = chick and dennis james = dumb asses
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1.) Sergio Oliva(4/4)
2.) Ronnie Coleman(4/4)
3.) Flex Wheeler(4/4)
4.) Kevin Levrone(4/4)
5.) Kai Greene(4/4)
6.) Robby Robinson(4/4)
7.) Lou Ferrigno(4/4)
8.) Arnold(4/4)
9.) Dorian Yates(3/4) - Lacking STRUCTURAL genes
10.) Frank Zane(3/4) - Lacking SIZE genes
Dorian had close to perfect structure. Could have had slightly better bellies in arms, but structure was great.
Many feel Sergio had the best genes ever but he was lacking a back. A concave Dillet type back, instead of the convex turtle shell of a Yates.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408026.0;attach=450419;image)
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ZANE was the MOST CONDITIONED BODYBUILDER OF ALL-TIME, so head to head, Zane get's the ECTO win..
(http://cdn.simplyshredded.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/frank-zane-olympia-25.jpg)
No one was more conditioned than Munzer. No one.
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Dorian had close to perfect structure. Could have had slightly better bellies in arms, but structure was great.
Many feel Sergio had the best genes ever but he was lacking a back. A concave Dillet type back, instead of the convex turtle shell of a Yates.
i agree, Dorian had one of the widest upper body structures and almost a perfect length of both torso and legs, the arm muscle bellies were also affected a lot by the tears.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408026.0;attach=450419;image)
diesel, all the way diesel. What a great bodybuilder
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Clairmonte was incredible.
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Clairmonte was incredible.
6'ft ,240lbs ,perfect.
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No one was more conditioned than Munzer. No one.
This guy was,...Humdullah
lol at the guy that said Zane ::)
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i agree, Dorian had one of the widest upper body structures and almost a perfect length of both torso and legs, the arm muscle bellies were also affected a lot by the tears.
How do you make this better? Maybe slightly better separation in quads and a little more arm size but structurally he was great.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=412087.0;attach=455535;image)
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This guy was,...Humdullah
lol at the guy that said Zane ::)
Munzer beats Hamdullah too. No one ever had the feathering in the quads that Munzer had. And then you factor in the extra size and it becomes even more impressive.
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How do you make this better? Maybe slightly better separation in quads and a little more arm size but structurally he was great.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=412087.0;attach=455535;image)
that is IMO the greatest picture in the history of bodybuilding, Ronnie is awesome but that picture is just plain crazy.
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How do you make this better? Maybe slightly better separation in quads and a little more arm size but structurally he was great.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=412087.0;attach=455535;image)
looks shopped, look at the right quad.
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looks shopped, look at the right quad.
Not shopped, I am looking at the original right know early 90's and looks the exact same.
Munzer is a close second but no way he beats Humdullah ;)
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Not shopped, I am looking at the original right know early 90's and looks the exact same.
Munzer is a close second but no way he beats Humdullah ;)
its definitely touched to make him look more granite-like. still suspicious of the quads, they look more detailed and proportioned:
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/matt82_2008/Dorian%20Reference/Dorian4.jpg)
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its definitely touched to make him look more granite-like. still suspicious of the quads, they look more detailed and proportioned:
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/matt82_2008/Dorian%20Reference/Dorian4.jpg)
they look like that in the first shot because hes fuller and bigger, the sweep is more pronounced in the first shout because hes partially offseason, compare the two shots closely, the quads are virtually the same in both pics minus the water in the stage shot.
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LOL at Dorian not having "genetic structure". Dorian had arguably the best structure of any bodybuilder alive or dead.
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the quads look completely different to me ??? his inner things and sweep look bigger in the black and white.
Regardless of the size difference, they definitely touched the pictures to enhance his physique
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its definitely touched to make him look more granite-like. still suspicious of the quads, they look more detailed and proportioned:
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/matt82_2008/Dorian%20Reference/Dorian4.jpg)
When Kevin Horton first posted this pic , lots of Ronnie fan boys cried photoshopped , Kevin Horton who took the shit said it was untouched original
He's 283lbs in this pic
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When Kevin Horton first posted this pic , lots of Ronnie fan boys cried photoshopped , Kevin Horton who took the shit said it was untouched original
He's 283lbs in this pic
alright then, find another dorian pic that matches it. that would be more convincing.
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approved gh15 list,,,,
ronnie coleman
arnold
lee haney
sergio
they all good,,,they can win in any generation the best,,,win in any generation nothing balonie about that,,thats how you determine who is good,,,can jay cutler or phil heath win in 90s NO,,,they can not but can haney win now if he wanted,,,YES he can,,,,can coleman win in 80s YES,,,can arnold win NOW yes,,,
gh15 approve
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Without a doubt.......suckmymuscle!
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I would rather not discuss this at all if the issue hijacks the thread, just wanted to point something out.
Lee Haney was awesome
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2009/features/feature_leehaney2.jpg)
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alright then, find another dorian pic that matches it. that would be more convincing.
Bro the body can look amazing one minute and hours later look bad, he was carbed perfectly in that pic with all the water in his muscles, hence onehelluva pic but hard to duplicate
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I would rather not discuss this at all if the issue hijacks the thread, just wanted to point something out.
Lee Haney was awesome
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2009/features/feature_leehaney2.jpg)
look closely at the arms and lack of legs, look....Haney's lats were aweome but if you really take a look at the rest of him he's pretty normal looking.
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alright then, find another dorian pic that matches it. that would be more convincing.
You think he's lying?
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Franco Columbu
Ivan Putski
Tim Belknap
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You think he's lying?
something seems fishy thats all. I'd like to see the quote.
look closely at the arms and lack of legs, look....Haney's lats were aweome but if you really take a look at the rest of him he's pretty normal looking.
u forgot the sick chest with respect to great body parts, and a tiny waist. Combine it with aesthetics and conditioning and he was a great bodybuilder IMO
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Bro the body can look amazing one minute and hours later look bad, he was carbed perfectly in that pic with all the water in his muscles, hence onehelluva pic but hard to duplicate
point noted
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(http://i.imgur.com/pURWH.jpg)
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something seems fishy thats all. I'd like to see the quote.
u forgot the sick chest with respect to great body parts, and a tiny waist. Combine it with aesthetics and conditioning and he was a great bodybuilder IMO
:)
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something seems fishy thats all. I'd like to see the quote.
u forgot the sick chest with respect to great body parts, and a tiny waist. Combine it with aesthetics and conditioning and he was a great bodybuilder IMO
I forgot, when i had an Olympia worthy physique and photo shoot I kept my skin tight Wranglers on during the photo shoot, lol.
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Ross Erstling = schooled by getbig !!
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(http://i.imgur.com/pURWH.jpg)
Best arms ever no doubt.
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number 1 would be serge, for me. maybe haney as 2
if shawn ray was a bit taller and had longer calves he might be 1
frank zane would be 1 if he was bigger (although i think the chase for size at the expense of everything else is where bodybuilding went wrong. mr olympia shouldnt have a 40 inch waist)
dorians only problem (pre-tears) was his quad separation
ronnie had very poor abs and calves
oliva was never very lean and had flat long biceps
arnold never had good abs
flex had no calves and was very narrow in any pose with raised arms
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How do you make this better? Maybe slightly better separation in quads and a little more arm size but structurally he was great.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=412087.0;attach=455535;image)
what made dorian lower body standout too was he had narrow hips and made his long legs flow from there to those sick calves.
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Not a big Yates fan,although he was unreal,but that above pic is off the fucking chain!
Imagine waking up looking like that? ;D
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Genetics
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(http://imgusr.tradekey.com/p-5043032-20110120195355/humatrope.jpg)
:D
;D ;D
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(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/DSC_4426_AKGWUWAKEO.JPG)
destroys sergio
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(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/DSC_4426_AKGWUWAKEO.JPG)
destroys sergio
Not really much of a comparison since Sergio won his first Olympia in 1969.
I highly doubt if he had a fraction of the drugs in his system than Heath has,and Heath had no foundation,just jumped right into training with juice right off the bat.
I like Heath and think he looks great,but Sergio would destroy him if he was around today using the same protocols.
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Not really much of a comparison since Sergio won his first Olympia in 1969.
I highly doubt if he had a fraction of the drugs in his system than Heath has,and Heath had no foundation,just jumped right into training with juice right off the bat.
I like Heath and think he looks great,but Sergio would destroy him if he was around today using the same protocols.
absofuckinlutely.
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1969 vs. 2011.....huge difference with almost everything to do with bodybuilding.
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/oliva/so193.jpg)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=392853.0;attach=425218;image)
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(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/6/1/616615.1114658146296.oliva0009.jpg)
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/oliva/so185.jpg)
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Uvy2Azj8TMY/TOe9jW42D6I/AAAAAAAAGP0/h7RzDAMBee4/s640/sergio_oliva_el_mito.jpg)
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Uvy2Azj8TMY/TOe9jW42D6I/AAAAAAAAGP0/h7RzDAMBee4/s640/sergio_oliva_el_mito.jpg)
fuccking incredible.
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(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2008/frank_marchante_interview_d.jpg)
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(http://zacheven-esh.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/SergioArnold-Prensa-Routine.jpg)
Why so many pics of Sergio...Because he's a fuckkking FREAK...1969 pure genetics
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(http://www.strength-oldschool.com/uploads/1291522199/med_gallery_1_4_74960.jpg)
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(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2007/drobson331_aa.jpg)
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Let's make some important distinctions between GOOD GENETICS..
There are GOOD GENES for MUSCLE MASS..
There are GOOD GENES for being LEAN..
There are GOOD GENES for muscular SHAPE..
There are GOOD GENES for SKELETAL STRUCTURE..
And then there are GOOD GENES for ALL OF THE ABOVE.
Out of the characteristics that determine one's genetic potential for bodybuilding, I have 3 of the 4; I am extremely LEAN naturally, I have great SHAPE, and I have an awesome structure at 5"10 and a 29 inch waist. The only thing that I don't have are awesome genes for sheer muscle mass..
I think Arnold was kind of in the same boat as I am, which is why his build was always considered inferior to Serigo's--who posessed ALL OF THE BODYBUILDING GENES.
Top genetics in bodybuilding, of all-time, in my opnion:
1.) Sergio Oliva(4/4)
2.) Ronnie Coleman(4/4)
3.) Flex Wheeler(4/4)
4.) Kevin Levrone(4/4)
5.) Kai Greene(4/4)
6.) Robby Robinson(4/4)
7.) Lou Ferrigno(4/4)
8.) Arnold(4/4)
9.) Dorian Yates(3/4) - Lacking STRUCTURAL genes
10.) Frank Zane(3/4) - Lacking SIZE genes
You forgot Paul Dillet.
BTW, you're still a douche bag.
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This isn't about WHO YOU'D RATHER LOOK LIKE, it's a MEASURE OF GENETIC POTENTIAL. HANEY was not a genetic gift, in my opinion. He had good mass, but an awful structure and shape.
WTF?!?
Haney had a chest and back combo that was unmatched until ronnie, on probabbly a third of the stuff he was on. Great structure, very good muscle bellies, except biceps, if hed been injecting the same shit as that abomination you list in his place, kai, hed match his arm size.
If haney wanted ronnie delts, and had what ronnie had available of course his delts would look just as huge, same for legs.
If haney had been around in the late 90s, it woulve been some scary shit
Yes, mass, lean, shape and structure
8 times mister olympia in a row
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Wouldnt this be hard to compare since the drugs available then and now are not the same lol
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I always thought Sonny Schmidt had a good genetic base to start with if you wanted to be a bodybuilder.
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Forgot the must important thing: good genes for responding to gear...
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Let's make some important distinctions between GOOD GENETICS..
There are GOOD GENES for MUSCLE MASS..
There are GOOD GENES for being LEAN..
There are GOOD GENES for muscular SHAPE..
There are GOOD GENES for SKELETAL STRUCTURE..
And then there are GOOD GENES for ALL OF THE ABOVE.
Out of the characteristics that determine one's genetic potential for bodybuilding, I have 3 of the 4; I am extremely LEAN naturally, I have great SHAPE, and I have an awesome structure at 5"10 and a 29 inch waist. The only thing that I don't have are awesome genes for sheer muscle mass..
I think Arnold was kind of in the same boat as I am, which is why his build was always considered inferior to Serigo's--who posessed ALL OF THE BODYBUILDING GENES.
Top genetics in bodybuilding, of all-time, in my opnion:
1.) Sergio Oliva(4/4)
2.) Ronnie Coleman(4/4)
3.) Flex Wheeler(4/4)
4.) Kevin Levrone(4/4)
5.) Kai Greene(4/4)
6.) Robby Robinson(4/4)
7.) Lou Ferrigno(4/4)
8.) Arnold(4/4)
9.) Dorian Yates(3/4) - Lacking STRUCTURAL genes ( are you fucking kidding? )
10.) Frank Zane(3/4) - Lacking SIZE genes
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Brian Buchanan and Vince Brown,they were both 19 in this show,Vince is the guy on the left with the sergio type shape.
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Brian was only 19 in this shot.
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Brian went from this at 18 to looking like he did in the above pic at 19,to then at 20 in the lat spread pic.Never seen anyone make that kind of progress in 2 years.
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Coleman
Victor Richards
Dillet
Sergio
Wheeler
impressive .... Genetic wise
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sometimes i feel brian's waist is too small to be the ideal thing!!.. :-X
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sergio did have great genetics but seldom was lean and never had peaks on his biceps,which is a genetic thing.haney,coleman,flex and leverone probably had the best genetics.but dorian was the best bodybuilder.
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Coleman was the greatest bodybuilder by far to ever step foot on a competitive stage
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i don't think anyone claims to run those cycles considering the only people who would run cycles like that would be a pros and the only cycles they claim to use are unicycles and NOexplode cycles.
thats what you claimed, dildo.
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1.) Sergio Oliva(4/4)
2.) Ronnie Coleman(4/4)
3.) Flex Wheeler(4/4)
4.) Kevin Levrone(4/4)
5.) Kai Greene(4/4) - NO, only abuser to the gills
6.) Robby Robinson(4/4) - NO
7.) Lou Ferrigno(4/4) - WTF ARE U CRAZY?
8.) Arnold(4/4)
9.) Dorian Yates(3/4) - Lacking STRUCTURAL genes - NO, he one of the greatest, but he lacks more than structure, look at his arms.
10.) Frank Zane(3/4) - Lacking SIZE genes - Not lacking size genes, lacking only steroid and gh/slin abuse. Great physyque btw. In my opinion the last Artist Bodybuilder, after him it was only abusing of everything, he was very balanced and harmonic
Lee Haney is one of the greatest of all time, with Big Ron, and Arnold. Not mention him is noobism
Flex had GREAT structure, and knew how to improve them with SEO´s or whatever he needed. He is one of the most symmetrical guys who have ever walked on the olympia stage.
Missing Kevin and Shawn Ray on that list. And there you go.
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:D show the guy before the heavy gear and heavy lifting that's the way to see the actual genetics!!!!!!!
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:o
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I can't believe nobody has mentioned Jeff King.
Would Haney have won 8 Sandows in a row if King had been allowed to compete in the '83 Olympia???
I think there is a good argument that the competition would have even been at a higher level had King been allowed to participate in the IFBB.
I am NOT saying King was better than Haney, but I think in a judge's eye, it would have been a very tough call.
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I can't believe nobody has mentioned Jeff King.
Would Haney have won 8 Sandows in a row if King had been allowed to compete in the '83 Olympia???
I think there is a good argument that the competition would have even been at a higher level had King been allowed to participate in the IFBB.
I am NOT saying King was better than Haney, but I think in a judge's eye, it would have been a very tough call.
was recently wondering same. King had a lot going for him, but not the wow factor haney had.
Side by side haney wouldve been superior I think. But who knows...
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You forgot Paul Dillet.
BTW, you're still a douche bag.
dillet in kais place!