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Title: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: crg on February 01, 2012, 04:09:07 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Those Who Cannot Do
by Ox

The guru. In the bodybuilding industry the presence of the guru has become as commonplace as chest on a Monday. And to be honest, it’s equally as annoying. Just as people in gyms everywhere have unanimously decided that Monday is the day they need to train chest, so have bodybuilders decided that a guru is what they need if they want to compete. Both sentiments are based in ignorance and are nothing more than an example of the monkey see monkey do virus that plaques this sport. Is there any better reason to do something than because the next guy is doing it? As physical as this sport is you still gotta use your brain.

But that’s why people seek out the guru right? Is it because he’s supposed to be that much smarter than you or because you simply don’t want to have to think for yourself? If you’re a stupid individual and are unable to think for yourself, the guru is for you. Because as terrible as most of them are, some of them are bound to at least know something. And most of the time it’s not because they’re smart but because they want so bad to be regarded as someone in the know that they will put all their time and energy into studying things they believe pertain to bodybuilding. So like I said, if you’re stupid or lazy, the guru is for you.

For those who seek out the guru because they believe that person is much more knowledgeable and more experienced than them, consider a few things. First off, ask yourself why this person is offering to “help” you. If they know so fucking much then why aren’t they out doing it themselves? Have they ever helped anyone before? Will your hard work and success be attributed to their expertise and used to solicit future “clients”? There are some shady motherfuckers out there and the last thing I like to see is some asshole take credit for the hard work and dedication of others. I see it all the time and it pisses me off. Are they simply doing it for the money? If they are then that’s fine. Just tell them that their pay is their compensation and to keep their fucking hands off your glory.

You also gotta wonder what this guy knows that you don’t. Technical shit and the ability to cite studies aside, does this guy have any practical application of the shit he talks? They say that those who cannot do teach. If the person has never actually “done” then that’s not okay. How the fuck is some guy going to sit there and “coach” you through your preparation for a contest when he has no fucking clue what it’s actually like? Bullshit. Think about that. And to be honest, even if the guy did it “back in the day” I’d still be skeptical because it’s easy to forget just what it’s like. I don’t train people in the gym but when I look around I see “trainers” helping their “clients”. It’s a fucking joke. Some guy is gonna help his client get ready for show. How the fuck do you do that when A. you yourself have never done it, or B. even if you have, you suck at it. Simply doing it isn’t enough. I can stick my finger in a light socket but that doesn’t make me an electrician and it sure as shit doesn’t qualify me to teach others how to be electricians. Man, the fucking blind leading the blind. It’s brutal.

Perhaps the most important question to ask yourself is who the fuck wants to be a guru? Seriously, what type of person sits there and gets off on the idea that in their own little world they’re the one that holds the key to someone else’s success. It’s straight creepy is what it is. If you want to help someone it’s one thing. If you want to maintain this guru mad scientist image then you’re a fucking weirdo and everyone should stay away from you. Only a guy with low self esteem, a tiny dick, and no friends would ever want everyone to believe that he’s some type of superhero bodybuilding witchdoctor and it’s only that type of person that would rather act as a guru and guard their “secrets” rather than teach an aspiring bodybuilder how to be confident in himself and show him how to listen to his body. An honorable person or a coach would help a bodybuilder become independent whereas a guru would aim to keep a bodybuilder dependent upon him for any number of reasons. Stay the hell away from anyone who doesn’t encourage you to have confidence in yourself and make your own decisions.

I’ve been fortunate enough to have plenty of help along the way. Because of the things I’ve learned in combination with the encouragement to have faith in myself and make my own decisions, I’m able to stand on my own two feet. But I’ve seen plenty of people out there who just want to make a buck, snag a bit of the spotlight and feed their ego at the same time. Stay the fuck away from people like that. They’re not your friend, they’ve never done it and they can’t teach you a damn thing. 

 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: cephissus on February 01, 2012, 04:13:43 PM
great article!

from what i saw of his training vids, as well, evan seems like a level-headed guy.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: diamondcut on February 01, 2012, 04:15:14 PM
evan and nasser would be best friends
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: V Man on February 01, 2012, 04:15:43 PM
Whats wrong with chest on Mondays?
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Nails on February 01, 2012, 04:17:42 PM
Wasn't dave palumbo Evan's Guru back in the days  ???



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Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: crg on February 01, 2012, 04:21:08 PM
Well over on rx they saying Dave is not a "guru" he is "coach" but wtf is the diference
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: CT_Muscle on February 01, 2012, 04:23:43 PM
Well over on rx they saying Dave is not a "guru" he is "coach" but wtf is the diference

An honorable person or a coach would help a bodybuilder become independent whereas a guru would aim to keep a bodybuilder dependent upon him for any number of reasons. Stay the hell away from anyone who doesn’t encourage you to have confidence in yourself and make your own decisions.

Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Nails on February 01, 2012, 04:24:46 PM

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Those Who Cannot Do
by Ox

The guru. In the bodybuilding industry the presence of the guru has become as commonplace as chest on a Monday. And to be honest, it’s equally as annoying. Just as people in gyms everywhere have unanimously decided that Monday is the day they need to train chest, so have bodybuilders decided that a guru is what they need if they want to compete. Both sentiments are based in ignorance and are nothing more than an example of the monkey see monkey do virus that plaques this sport. Is there any better reason to do something than because the next guy is doing it? As physical as this sport is you still gotta use your brain.

But that’s why people seek out the guru right? Is it because he’s supposed to be that much smarter than you or because you simply don’t want to have to think for yourself? If you’re a stupid individual and are unable to think for yourself, the guru is for you. Because as terrible as most of them are, some of them are bound to at least know something. And most of the time it’s not because they’re smart but because they want so bad to be regarded as someone in the know that they will put all their time and energy into studying things they believe pertain to bodybuilding. So like I said, if you’re stupid or lazy, the guru is for you.

For those who seek out the guru because they believe that person is much more knowledgeable and more experienced than them, consider a few things. First off, ask yourself why this person is offering to “help” you. If they know so fucking much then why aren’t they out doing it themselves? Have they ever helped anyone before? Will your hard work and success be attributed to their expertise and used to solicit future “clients”? There are some shady motherfuckers out there and the last thing I like to see is some asshole take credit for the hard work and dedication of others. I see it all the time and it pisses me off. Are they simply doing it for the money? If they are then that’s fine. Just tell them that their pay is their compensation and to keep their fucking hands off your glory.

You also gotta wonder what this guy knows that you don’t. Technical shit and the ability to cite studies aside, does this guy have any practical application of the shit he talks? They say that those who cannot do teach. If the person has never actually “done” then that’s not okay. How the fuck is some guy going to sit there and “coach” you through your preparation for a contest when he has no fucking clue what it’s actually like? Bullshit. Think about that. And to be honest, even if the guy did it “back in the day” I’d still be skeptical because it’s easy to forget just what it’s like. I don’t train people in the gym but when I look around I see “trainers” helping their “clients”. It’s a fucking joke. Some guy is gonna help his client get ready for show. How the fuck do you do that when A. you yourself have never done it, or B. even if you have, you suck at it. Simply doing it isn’t enough. I can stick my finger in a light socket but that doesn’t make me an electrician and it sure as shit doesn’t qualify me to teach others how to be electricians. Man, the fucking blind leading the blind. It’s brutal.

Perhaps the most important question to ask yourself is who the fuck wants to be a guru? Seriously, what type of person sits there and gets off on the idea that in their own little world they’re the one that holds the key to someone else’s success. It’s straight creepy is what it is. If you want to help someone it’s one thing. If you want to maintain this guru mad scientist image then you’re a fucking weirdo and everyone should stay away from you. Only a guy with low self esteem, a tiny dick, and no friends would ever want everyone to believe that he’s some type of superhero bodybuilding witchdoctor and it’s only that type of person that would rather act as a guru and guard their “secrets” rather than teach an aspiring bodybuilder how to be confident in himself and show him how to listen to his body. An honorable person or a coach would help a bodybuilder become independent whereas a guru would aim to keep a bodybuilder dependent upon him for any number of reasons. Stay the hell away from anyone who doesn’t encourage you to have confidence in yourself and make your own decisions.

I’ve been fortunate enough to have plenty of help along the way. Because of the things I’ve learned in combination with the encouragement to have faith in myself and make my own decisions, I’m able to stand on my own two feet. But I’ve seen plenty of people out there who just want to make a buck, snag a bit of the spotlight and feed their ego at the same time. Stay the fuck away from people like that. They’re not your friend, they’ve never done it and they can’t teach you a damn thing. 

 
 
 
 



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Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Stavios on February 01, 2012, 04:25:53 PM
Wasn't dave palumbo Evan's Guru back in the days  ???



(http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/pjpeg/4783668416bcd1ee48fb1ebdaba0e8f4bd6d9401.pjpg)

I think the fagg*t Palumbo was juste his drug connection more than anything
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Nails on February 01, 2012, 04:26:02 PM
Oh yea but ANIMAL PAK and ANIMAL STACK and ANIMAL RAGE will make you a Top 3 Mr Arnold aint dat right mr company man Centopani  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: crg on February 01, 2012, 04:27:34 PM
So i am guessing Hany would be a guru.You would think jay and phil 2 mr olympias can do there own training and prep by now.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Raymondo on February 01, 2012, 04:28:19 PM
Wasn't dave palumbo Evan's Guru back in the days  ???



(http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/pjpeg/4783668416bcd1ee48fb1ebdaba0e8f4bd6d9401.pjpg)

damn, Evan has come a long way since then....

for one he's learnt a thing or two about tans
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: StanZoLOL on February 01, 2012, 04:38:07 PM
Pretty cool article, never knew he had that much venom. :D
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: RustyTrenbolona on February 01, 2012, 05:15:14 PM
damn, Evan has come a long way since then....

for one he's learnt a thing or two about tans

for me thats the absolute best size. easy to maintain without a ton of gear
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: aesthetics on February 01, 2012, 05:45:49 PM
Wasn't dave palumbo Evan's Guru back in the days  ???



(http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/pjpeg/4783668416bcd1ee48fb1ebdaba0e8f4bd6d9401.pjpg)


lol, now you know the motivation for the article
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Super Natural on February 02, 2012, 12:37:25 AM
Wasn't dave palumbo Evan's Guru back in the days  ???



(http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/pjpeg/4783668416bcd1ee48fb1ebdaba0e8f4bd6d9401.pjpg)

Keto = flat & leathery
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: no one on February 02, 2012, 12:53:38 AM
I think the fagg*t Palumbo was juste his drug connection more than anything

thats what 'gurus' do.

they tell you what gear you should be taking- and they always say you have to use human pharma grade, which they happen to have, at prices that are fucking retarded.

i know of two such gurus peronally. they wont train you unless they supply you because their 'name' is attached to how well you place (like they did all the hard work- suffered thru evening cravings, tried to carb up on a water depletion when you cant even make saliva etc etc), and they only trust their gear. and they are both douchebags.

fuck gurus. just up the dose. get on a treadmill 4 weeks out and switch to chicken/ veg at that point. its not fucking rocket science people. drugs first. the rest is details.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Voland on February 02, 2012, 12:55:07 AM
Scenetoophony at its best. The dude has been with Frauddumbo, Ardon...go take you 6iu's anally, Deviant Scenteaupenis.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Max B on February 02, 2012, 01:10:38 AM
Hmm that doesnt sound like someone on 200mgs of tren ace daily. No it doesnt at all. 
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Super Natural on February 02, 2012, 01:26:07 AM
One convenient thing about having a "Guru" is, you can blame them and say it was their fault  when you end up looking like shit on stage.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: gh15 on February 02, 2012, 01:53:53 AM
bodybuidl is all about 2 things,,

how to best unitlize hgh and insulina TOGETHER,,

with time you see that abuse of hgh is a must to get to the lean quality size ,, fake muscle ,, but still size you get

and then with time you see too....that insulina has to b ethere so you can get a nice gut and get heavy so....you can be lean freaky and large but also super heavy


fella who dont touch both gh and insulina alwys stop in the 220 or so ,, always,, lean 6% but 220 max  for a 5'9er,,after that its allllll insulina and hgh in combination 

all the frella you see around walking 5'8 260 lol with veiny arms lol and bulk of muscle on top ,, when they sit on the bench to do dumbel press...take a look to the belly zone....notice....SOFT! unless really on hgh and insulina in the right ratios and on specific androgens ....they wil be soft and the gut will be big ,, you not talking here abotu 34 inches which is very good waist ....you talk here  about 42-46 inches....for 5'8

so dont go to fast to say this fella is huge etc,, its far from the truth ,, alwys ask them to take shirt off ...it is in many cases a totaly diff story when they show th ephysiqe ,,


hgh and insulina is name of the gam ewith modern bodybuild ,, if one of them is missiin yuo wil never be 240-250-260lb in condition

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Super Natural on February 12, 2012, 11:27:33 PM
In related news. 

Ifbb Pro Sami AlHaddad:
my LATEST news is that i am OFFICIALLY working with GEORGE FARAH for my coming Pro Shows.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: claymore on February 13, 2012, 12:32:05 AM
Gurus are JOKES !!
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: purenaturalstrength on February 13, 2012, 12:39:06 AM
bodybuidl is all about 2 things,,

how to best unitlize hgh and insulina TOGETHER,,



lmao imagine a bodybuilder saying this on live national television
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: sanam on February 13, 2012, 01:34:22 AM

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Those Who Cannot Do
by Ox

The guru. In the bodybuilding industry the presence of the guru has become as commonplace as chest on a Monday. And to be honest, it’s equally as annoying. Just as people in gyms everywhere have unanimously decided that Monday is the day they need to train chest, so have bodybuilders decided that a guru is what they need if they want to compete. Both sentiments are based in ignorance and are nothing more than an example of the monkey see monkey do virus that plaques this sport. Is there any better reason to do something than because the next guy is doing it? As physical as this sport is you still gotta use your brain.

But that’s why people seek out the guru right? Is it because he’s supposed to be that much smarter than you or because you simply don’t want to have to think for yourself? If you’re a stupid individual and are unable to think for yourself, the guru is for you. Because as terrible as most of them are, some of them are bound to at least know something. And most of the time it’s not because they’re smart but because they want so bad to be regarded as someone in the know that they will put all their time and energy into studying things they believe pertain to bodybuilding. So like I said, if you’re stupid or lazy, the guru is for you.

For those who seek out the guru because they believe that person is much more knowledgeable and more experienced than them, consider a few things. First off, ask yourself why this person is offering to “help” you. If they know so fucking much then why aren’t they out doing it themselves? Have they ever helped anyone before? Will your hard work and success be attributed to their expertise and used to solicit future “clients”? There are some shady motherfuckers out there and the last thing I like to see is some asshole take credit for the hard work and dedication of others. I see it all the time and it pisses me off. Are they simply doing it for the money? If they are then that’s fine. Just tell them that their pay is their compensation and to keep their fucking hands off your glory.

You also gotta wonder what this guy knows that you don’t. Technical shit and the ability to cite studies aside, does this guy have any practical application of the shit he talks? They say that those who cannot do teach. If the person has never actually “done” then that’s not okay. How the fuck is some guy going to sit there and “coach” you through your preparation for a contest when he has no fucking clue what it’s actually like? Bullshit. Think about that. And to be honest, even if the guy did it “back in the day” I’d still be skeptical because it’s easy to forget just what it’s like. I don’t train people in the gym but when I look around I see “trainers” helping their “clients”. It’s a fucking joke. Some guy is gonna help his client get ready for show. How the fuck do you do that when A. you yourself have never done it, or B. even if you have, you suck at it. Simply doing it isn’t enough. I can stick my finger in a light socket but that doesn’t make me an electrician and it sure as shit doesn’t qualify me to teach others how to be electricians. Man, the fucking blind leading the blind. It’s brutal.

Perhaps the most important question to ask yourself is who the fuck wants to be a guru? Seriously, what type of person sits there and gets off on the idea that in their own little world they’re the one that holds the key to someone else’s success. It’s straight creepy is what it is. If you want to help someone it’s one thing. If you want to maintain this guru mad scientist image then you’re a fucking weirdo and everyone should stay away from you. Only a guy with low self esteem, a tiny dick, and no friends would ever want everyone to believe that he’s some type of superhero bodybuilding witchdoctor and it’s only that type of person that would rather act as a guru and guard their “secrets” rather than teach an aspiring bodybuilder how to be confident in himself and show him how to listen to his body. An honorable person or a coach would help a bodybuilder become independent whereas a guru would aim to keep a bodybuilder dependent upon him for any number of reasons. Stay the hell away from anyone who doesn’t encourage you to have confidence in yourself and make your own decisions.

I’ve been fortunate enough to have plenty of help along the way. Because of the things I’ve learned in combination with the encouragement to have faith in myself and make my own decisions, I’m able to stand on my own two feet. But I’ve seen plenty of people out there who just want to make a buck, snag a bit of the spotlight and feed their ego at the same time. Stay the fuck away from people like that. They’re not your friend, they’ve never done it and they can’t teach you a damn thing. 

 
 
 
 

clearly the statement from a dumb ass mo fo who got butt fucked by some so called guru at early stage of his career.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: outby43 on February 13, 2012, 01:39:47 AM
I think the fagg*t Palumbo was juste his drug connection more than anything

yeah...who sold bunk gear.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Parker on February 13, 2012, 03:06:30 AM
Would Chris Aceto be considered a guru or "nutritionist"?
And would Dr. take your kidneys be considered a guru---he was the one who worked with Flex, Dillet, Nasser, and Ronnie, getting Ronnie peeled and big, Chad's Lads as Flex Mag called them.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: vinnydountsnyc on February 13, 2012, 04:04:53 AM
I have been a ''trainer'' for 25 years and Evan is right on the money !
I have seen so many shit head who have never done anything ever in BB
becoming so called gurus and i could never understand ............
Its the epic low self esteem most BB have that breeds these aholes !

I wonder if he was talking about Victor Munoz ........................ hmmm...........Fits the profile 
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: StanZoLOL on February 13, 2012, 04:40:17 AM
Its the epic low self esteem most BB have that breeds these aholes !
 

Yes, they need someone to hold their hand, who they can blame if things go wrong so it wasn't their fault.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: 240 is Back on February 13, 2012, 04:43:28 AM
Some BBers are very good at lifting weights, but are 22 years old and don't know shit about insulin or dieting.  Better to use a guru than to kill thsemlves with learning as they go.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: G_Thang on February 13, 2012, 04:47:21 AM
I have been a ''trainer'' for 25 years and Evan is right on the money !
I have seen so many shit head who have never done anything ever in BB
becoming so called gurus and i could never understand ............
Its the epic low self esteem most BB have that breeds these aholes !

I wonder if he was talking about Victor Munoz ........................ hmmm...........Fits the profile 

don't talk about gh15 like that, might hurt the feelings of his chimps. 
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: oldtimer1 on February 13, 2012, 07:23:27 AM
I don't know what a bodybuilding guru is.  Is it a glorified term for a steroid drug dealer connection?
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Schmoe Buster on February 13, 2012, 07:26:51 AM
I don't know what a bodybuilding guru is.  Is it a glorified term for a steroid drug dealer connection?

Pretty much yes
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: StanZoLOL on February 13, 2012, 07:27:38 AM
I don't know what a bodybuilding guru is.  Is it a glorified term for a steroid drug dealer connection?

Not always. Most of the internet diet gurus do not provide a drug connection, contrary to what you read here. BB are just so insecure they need someone to tell them what to do, then they can blame if they don't place well.

A good friend of mine does it, and gets paid a lot, and is very good at it, though I often get the impression he can't believe idiots will pay him.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: csnut18 on February 13, 2012, 09:54:08 AM
thats what 'gurus' do.

they tell you what gear you should be taking- and they always say you have to use human pharma grade, which they happen to have, at prices that are fucking retarded.

i know of two such gurus peronally. they wont train you unless they supply you because their 'name' is attached to how well you place (like they did all the hard work- suffered thru evening cravings, tried to carb up on a water depletion when you cant even make saliva etc etc), and they only trust their gear. and they are both douchebags.

fuck gurus. just up the dose. get on a treadmill 4 weeks out and switch to chicken/ veg at that point. its not fucking rocket science people. drugs first. the rest is details.

Out these two gurus.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Voland on February 13, 2012, 10:27:33 AM
"No more gurus" - Dennis Wolf.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: sceagacros on February 13, 2012, 10:33:35 AM
GH15 is a self professed "guru", does anyone else see the irony of him "exposing" anything?
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on February 13, 2012, 10:35:08 AM
leave Palumbo alone. he's a good guy
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: gh15 on February 13, 2012, 11:09:19 AM
GH15 is a self professed "guru", does anyone else see the irony of him "exposing" anything?

i hate gurus,, one of my bigest hate is for gurus for they LIE,, make my work much harder,, remember i cant see all the balonie said ,, but when i see i respond fellas know when i see something i wil answer wether in 24 hour or 48 hour it wil be answered if! i see it

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on February 13, 2012, 04:31:18 PM
i hate gurus,, one of my bigest hate is for gurus for they LIE,, make my work much harder,, remember i cant see all the balonie said ,, but when i see i respond fellas know when i see something i wil answer wether in 24 hour or 48 hour it wil be answered if! i see it

gh15 approved

can you tell us more how Hany Rambod makes his clients look so good?
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Voland on February 13, 2012, 04:32:10 PM
leave Palumbo alone. he's a good guy

 :o

if by good you mean the ultimate filt, yes.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: affeman on February 13, 2012, 04:42:20 PM
Wasn't dave palumbo Evan's Guru back in the days  ???

And then he dropped Palumbo for Oscar Ardon.

But you're right Evan, gurus are for the dumb and lazy ::)
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: reppingfor20 on February 13, 2012, 04:53:00 PM
for me thats the absolute best size. easy to maintain without a ton of gear

lol
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: MB on February 13, 2012, 04:59:54 PM
Bodybuilding is about progressing slowly and learning as you go.  If you need a guru to set up a drug schedule, you're in over your head. 
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Parker on February 13, 2012, 05:07:13 PM
And then he dropped Palumbo for Oscar Ardon.

But you're right Evan, gurus are for the dumb and lazy ::)
Was he working with Oscar at the same time that Oscar was working with Kai?
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 13, 2012, 05:07:49 PM
this is why up to this day i love YATES..... (no homo)
no guru, no trainer, no nutritionist... did it all by himself....
just with logical thinking, i mean its no rocket science afterall....
do as much drugs as you can handle while keeping reasonably healthy and sane...
eat and train.....
why people need a "guru" to learn them that is beyond me... lol!!
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Nails on February 13, 2012, 05:11:35 PM
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: G_Thang on February 13, 2012, 05:36:04 PM


dude doesnt necessarily have the greatest build, but has height and that graininess like yates, should runaway with the arnold.  there could be some good yrs with him vs phil.  lets see how they fuck up the judging at the arnold and place him second to branch or some nonsense like that. 
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on February 13, 2012, 05:45:43 PM
i hate gurus,, one of my bigest hate is for gurus for they LIE,, make my work much harder,, remember i cant see all the balonie said ,, but when i see i respond fellas know when i see something i wil answer wether in 24 hour or 48 hour it wil be answered if! i see it

gh15 approved

Will your website out some of these guru's as Liars and cheats Mr. GH15?
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on February 13, 2012, 05:53:04 PM
I heard Animal gives him a bonus every time he says the word FUCK...Lol at the Billy Badass attitude on film.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: PJim on February 13, 2012, 06:05:09 PM


I wish these fuckwits would stop trying to sound so philosophical.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Dogma2010 on February 13, 2012, 06:36:31 PM
The reason gurus are so successful is simple. The majority of people are just lazy. Yes someone who has knowledge about something and is willing to teach it to you for a fee is cutting down your learning curve but the key is that you need to LEARN SOMETHING.

gh15's posts here have eliminated the need for a guru though really  :)



Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: MCWAY on February 13, 2012, 07:35:37 PM

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Those Who Cannot Do
by Ox

The guru. In the bodybuilding industry the presence of the guru has become as commonplace as chest on a Monday. And to be honest, it’s equally as annoying. Just as people in gyms everywhere have unanimously decided that Monday is the day they need to train chest, so have bodybuilders decided that a guru is what they need if they want to compete. Both sentiments are based in ignorance and are nothing more than an example of the monkey see monkey do virus that plaques this sport. Is there any better reason to do something than because the next guy is doing it? As physical as this sport is you still gotta use your brain.

But that’s why people seek out the guru right? Is it because he’s supposed to be that much smarter than you or because you simply don’t want to have to think for yourself? If you’re a stupid individual and are unable to think for yourself, the guru is for you. Because as terrible as most of them are, some of them are bound to at least know something. And most of the time it’s not because they’re smart but because they want so bad to be regarded as someone in the know that they will put all their time and energy into studying things they believe pertain to bodybuilding. So like I said, if you’re stupid or lazy, the guru is for you.

For those who seek out the guru because they believe that person is much more knowledgeable and more experienced than them, consider a few things. First off, ask yourself why this person is offering to “help” you. If they know so fucking much then why aren’t they out doing it themselves? Have they ever helped anyone before? Will your hard work and success be attributed to their expertise and used to solicit future “clients”? There are some shady motherfuckers out there and the last thing I like to see is some asshole take credit for the hard work and dedication of others. I see it all the time and it pisses me off. Are they simply doing it for the money? If they are then that’s fine. Just tell them that their pay is their compensation and to keep their fucking hands off your glory.

You also gotta wonder what this guy knows that you don’t. Technical shit and the ability to cite studies aside, does this guy have any practical application of the shit he talks? They say that those who cannot do teach. If the person has never actually “done” then that’s not okay. How the fuck is some guy going to sit there and “coach” you through your preparation for a contest when he has no fucking clue what it’s actually like? Bullshit. Think about that. And to be honest, even if the guy did it “back in the day” I’d still be skeptical because it’s easy to forget just what it’s like. I don’t train people in the gym but when I look around I see “trainers” helping their “clients”. It’s a fucking joke. Some guy is gonna help his client get ready for show. How the fuck do you do that when A. you yourself have never done it, or B. even if you have, you suck at it. Simply doing it isn’t enough. I can stick my finger in a light socket but that doesn’t make me an electrician and it sure as shit doesn’t qualify me to teach others how to be electricians. Man, the fucking blind leading the blind. It’s brutal.

Perhaps the most important question to ask yourself is who the fuck wants to be a guru? Seriously, what type of person sits there and gets off on the idea that in their own little world they’re the one that holds the key to someone else’s success. It’s straight creepy is what it is. If you want to help someone it’s one thing. If you want to maintain this guru mad scientist image then you’re a fucking weirdo and everyone should stay away from you. Only a guy with low self esteem, a tiny dick, and no friends would ever want everyone to believe that he’s some type of superhero bodybuilding witchdoctor and it’s only that type of person that would rather act as a guru and guard their “secrets” rather than teach an aspiring bodybuilder how to be confident in himself and show him how to listen to his body. An honorable person or a coach would help a bodybuilder become independent whereas a guru would aim to keep a bodybuilder dependent upon him for any number of reasons. Stay the hell away from anyone who doesn’t encourage you to have confidence in yourself and make your own decisions.

I’ve been fortunate enough to have plenty of help along the way. Because of the things I’ve learned in combination with the encouragement to have faith in myself and make my own decisions, I’m able to stand on my own two feet. But I’ve seen plenty of people out there who just want to make a buck, snag a bit of the spotlight and feed their ego at the same time. Stay the fuck away from people like that. They’re not your friend, they’ve never done it and they can’t teach you a damn thing. 



Centopani makes some good points. But, there are a number of gurus who have competed, back in the day (Charles Glass, Chris Aceto, etc). Aceto competed at the state and national level. He certainly knows how to get ripped. But, given his shape and proportions (or lack thereof), he didn't go much farther than that. Glass, on the other hand, was a pro who competed at the Olympia level at one time.

I guess some guys want to give back by helping other competitors. Bill Pearl was a 4-time Mr. Universe. When he retired, he became a guru or coach, if you will. He helped Chris Dickerson finally win the Olympia in 1982.

Don't forget the original "Iron Guru", Vince Gironda, who was WAY AHEAD of his time, in terms of nutrition and training. His resume of champions is a who's-who of bodybuilding: Schwarzenegger, Scott, Bannout, et. al.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: AlphaM on February 13, 2012, 08:05:31 PM
Wow Evan looks amazing holy smoking shit !!!!!



He sounds lost though! Evan if you are reading this you do it because of love, because of love for yourself and that's amazing, you share this love with others - your wife, daughter and friends all over you inspire and give positive energy, keep doing what you love.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: gh15 on February 13, 2012, 09:38:35 PM
if you fellas insted of balonie around sactualy watch what need to be watched...you would get somewhere in bodybuild,,even the damn camera fella is gh15 follower,,i have absolit rule on the cult of bodybuild...

look into the nails when bench press...first he need to cut this damm klaws,,second...as you can see bodybuild = human growth hormones and he is ON AND ON VERY GOO DOSES AND VERY GOOD QUALITY ,,

if you notice closely into what gh15 say you will see who talk truth and who balonie you ,,but! i cant do the work for you i can only lead you to the promised land cant get you in there my friends

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: AlphaM on February 13, 2012, 09:43:40 PM
if you fellas insted of balonie around sactualy watch what need to be watched...you would get somewhere in bodybuild,,even the damn camera fella is gh15 follower,,i have absolit rule on the cult of bodybuild...

look into the nails when bench press...first he need to cut this damm klaws,,second...as you can see bodybuild = human growth hormones and he is ON AND ON VERY GOO DOSES AND VERY GOOD QUALITY ,,

if you notice closely into what gh15 say you will see who talk truth and who balonie you ,,but! i cant do the work for you i can only lead you to the promised land cant get you in there my friends

gh15 approved

Good quity gh requires lost of $$$$$ plus connection.  It's a step by step process first you do your best on what's available, then you connect to $$$$$ and source.

Don't tell me that he is built on thanktropin.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: flinstones1 on February 13, 2012, 09:45:35 PM
Evan has bad genetics. He's just not gifted, at all. Short,clumsy,goofy,italian kid with fat boy genetics and cankles....and he's narrow as all hell for a fat kid. He is the poster boy for ALL DRUGS....nice guy though but if he ever gets mr. O I will laugh my fucking ass off
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: gh15 on February 13, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
Good quity gh requires lost of $$$$$ plus connection.  It's a step by step process first you do your best on what's available, then you connect to $$$$$ and source.

Don't tell me that he is built on thanktropin.

can be done on thanktropin in the 15-20 iu + range if hav ethe money

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: gh15 on February 13, 2012, 09:49:51 PM
this look on even is the level of look you get from humatrope serostim and old kigtropin ,, very sharp and lines are nicely drying on you no mattr what,, but especialy on contet prep,, this is why i tried to bring you kigtropin ....but! thanktropin is very good little mroe water retention but! very good product and will take you there too if consistant and high enough dose,, actualy the only thing i approve now day is thanktropin and novitropin

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: tbombz on February 13, 2012, 09:49:58 PM
Evan has bad genetics. He's just not gifted, at all. Short,clumsy,goofy,italian kid with fat boy genetics and cankles....and he's narrow as all hell for a fat kid. He is the poster boy for ALL DRUGS....nice guy though but if he ever gets mr. O I will laugh my fucking ass off

not good genetics? hes just about as muscular as any bodybuilder to ever step on stage. everybody is all drugs. his structure isnt as ideal as it could be.. but thats nit picking.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: flinstones1 on February 13, 2012, 09:55:03 PM
not good genetics? hes just about as muscular as any bodybuilder to ever step on stage. everybody is all drugs. his structure isnt as ideal as it could be.. but thats nit picking.

dude you obviously haven't been around many gifted athletes in your life have you? Good genetics doesn't abuse gear for 10 years to struggle with a 405 bench press for a few reps. Good genetics isn't some narrow fat kid with cankles....i could go to ANY high school and pick out the best built guy on the football team and he can become the next Mr. O these days.  You want good genetics my friend? See the guy in your gym at 6'2 at the local gold's who walks in and does 5 plates a side with small waiste and thick chest on doses evan would laugh at. See Chris Cormier see Gunter....the end.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: flinstones1 on February 13, 2012, 09:58:16 PM
not good genetics? hes just about as muscular as any bodybuilder to ever step on stage. everybody is all drugs. his structure isnt as ideal as it could be.. but thats nit picking.

due to .....lots of time on legit products in correct doses. Dude hes been on growth hormone for close to a decade every day of his life, do you know how many muscle cells he has by now? He's not even human anymore...... I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand. Want good genes? See frank sepe at 23...Evan is very average dude. But he busted his ass and props to him. ROLE MODEL for bodybuilders around the world because of his determination...he has that
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: tbombz on February 13, 2012, 10:03:16 PM
define genes.. natural strength? aesthetics/stucture?  responso to drugs?   everyone who ever looked anywhewre near as good as evan does abused the shit out of drugs to get there..   those guys from the high school football team who have an 8 pack without trying could look great if they abused drugs.. thats true..   but better than evan? maybe by a little bit.. flex wheeler, chris cormier, ronnie coleman, phil heath, gunter.. name anybody you want to who had great natural genetics and then went on to abuse drugs... none of them looked much better than evan does..
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: flinstones1 on February 13, 2012, 10:07:57 PM
define genes.. natural strength? aesthetics/stucture?  responso to drugs?   everyone who ever looked anywhewre near as good as evan does abused the shit out of drugs to get there..   those guys from the high school football team who have an 8 pack without trying could look great if they abused drugs.. thats true..   but better than evan? maybe by a little bit.. flex wheeler, chris cormier, ronnie coleman, phil heath, gunter.. name anybody you want to who had great natural genetics and then went on to abuse drugs... none of them looked much better than evan does..

your just saying that cause you look like evan facially.

 good genetics to me is...- 6'0 plus, wide,small waiste, full muscle bellies, good response to drugs,long legs, short torso, proportioned, small ankles and joints, doesn't get a huge ass from squatting. Kuclo as much as I hate the bastard is pretty damn close to the above minus the waiste part, and is superior to evan in the genetic department but trop fucked him for life too young he's ruined
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: tbombz on February 13, 2012, 10:17:49 PM
nah, i like evan cuz he was fat as kid  ;D

that sounds like a good definition of good genetics..

kuclo is tall?


regardless..  no matter how good of genetics a dude has, he isnt going to ever look much better than evan does.. even with "shitty genetics" evan is pretty close to the maximum muscle mass a human can carry
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: gh15 on February 13, 2012, 10:19:17 PM
any way you look at it this is the end conclusion you will get


hgh + insulina = modern bodybuild

that mens YOU DONT USE INSULINA? you will remain 215 220 in condition AT ABSOLIT BEST

you do use insulina? you will see the 230 250 and 260 coming upon you ...

it is how your body unitlize the hgh and insulina that will determine how well you will do as a bodybuild,,

you will NOT! be 5'10 230 on stage with out insulina ,, not in a superb condition not a chance

infact most fellas around on hgh and insulina lol go down from 240 to 200 to competre lol this is the sad part ,, they look like balonie but...thats life,, their bodys never meant to have 32 inch waist on stage ...or very wide delts,,

hgh + insulina = modern bodybuild,,yes you can look nicely walking around with your water loged hgh realted body in around 215lb 5'9...but! but! you will never ! i say it once again here YO UWILL NEVER SEE NUMBERS OF THE 230 240 250 UNLES INSULINA IS IN BLOOD WITH THE GH ,,and ofcourse the only one who can pull it are the one with good frames...

someone that will pull it well? jamaica noy

someone that will pull it well? dady wady

someone that will pull it wel? che

omeoen that will pull it well ? stavio

someone that will pull it well? big bobs

those are the fellas that will pull well hgh and insulina in high doses,,why? for they got good structure to begin with ,, they would do very well as bodybuild if on same products and doses of the top fellas,, the problem is,,they either dont have the money ,, the sponsor,, the will ,, ,the time,, or they just gave up DUE TO DANTA AND SONS AND HERIS TYPE OF FILTS


gh15 approved
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: flinstones1 on February 13, 2012, 10:21:11 PM
nah, i like evan cuz he was fat as kid  ;D

that sounds like a good definition of good genetics..

kuclo is tall?


regardless..  no matter how good of genetics a dude has, he isnt going to ever look much better than evan does.. even with "shitty genetics" evan is pretty close to the maximum muscle mass a human can carry

lol....true.

kuclo was 5'11 1/2 in his younger days but his head grow so damn much he's pushing 6'1 I believe
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: BikiniSlut on February 13, 2012, 11:27:19 PM
Evan is clearly talking about someone/someones in particular. He should grow some balls and name names instead of acting like a pussy.

The guy can't even write an intelligent article without putting the f bomb every third sentence.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 14, 2012, 05:49:52 AM
Evan has bad genetics. He's just not gifted, at all. Short,clumsy,goofy,italian kid with fat boy genetics and cankles....and he's narrow as all hell for a fat kid. He is the poster boy for ALL DRUGS....nice guy though but if he ever gets mr. O I will laugh my fucking ass off
isn't evan like 6'' ???
he is not short at all.....
and i think he looks great..... sure he has flaws but we all do...
he has that 90's look!!!!
we should all be glad someone like him steps up!
evan at least is a real bodybuilder! wide!!!!
and he takes his time.... actually has a bit of a base.....
smart dude..... kinda like yates! hard working smart dude....
 
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Oly15 on February 14, 2012, 06:12:09 AM
dude you obviously haven't been around many gifted athletes in your life have you? Good genetics doesn't abuse gear for 10 years to struggle with a 405 bench press for a few reps. Good genetics isn't some narrow fat kid with cankles....i could go to ANY high school and pick out the best built guy on the football team and he can become the next Mr. O these days.  You want good genetics my friend? See the guy in your gym at 6'2 at the local gold's who walks in and does 5 plates a side with small waiste and thick chest on doses evan would laugh at. See Chris Cormier see Gunter....the end.

The thing is, you don't know how much any of them are on, so stop speculating and shut up.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: RustyTrenbolona on February 14, 2012, 06:38:58 AM
so now we're braggin about not having a guru? ::) i guess when palumbo taught you everything you need to know about hormones you never need another one and can claim the opposite.... this guy became a twat. tryin to be the cool smart bodybuilder from next door. sittin there at the dinner table recieving adulation on his "world fame" (that comes from nothing but pinning gear) from dad. how sick is this. get real. fuckin claimer
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: BigCyp on February 14, 2012, 06:44:05 AM
Hahahahahaha "Scent au Penis"
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on February 14, 2012, 08:22:21 AM
any way you look at it this is the end conclusion you will get


hgh + insulina = modern bodybuild

that mens YOU DONT USE INSULINA? you will remain 215 220 in condition AT ABSOLIT BEST

you do use insulina? you will see the 230 250 and 260 coming upon you ...

it is how your body unitlize the hgh and insulina that will determine how well you will do as a bodybuild,,

you will NOT! be 5'10 230 on stage with out insulina ,, not in a superb condition not a chance

infact most fellas around on hgh and insulina lol go down from 240 to 200 to competre lol this is the sad part ,, they look like balonie but...thats life,, their bodys never meant to have 32 inch waist on stage ...or very wide delts,,

hgh + insulina = modern bodybuild,,yes you can look nicely walking around with your water loged hgh realted body in around 215lb 5'9...but! but! you will never ! i say it once again here YO UWILL NEVER SEE NUMBERS OF THE 230 240 250 UNLES INSULINA IS IN BLOOD WITH THE GH ,,and ofcourse the only one who can pull it are the one with good frames...

someone that will pull it well? jamaica noy

someone that will pull it well? dady wady

someone that will pull it wel? che

omeoen that will pull it well ? stavio

someone that will pull it well? big bobs

those are the fellas that will pull well hgh and insulina in high doses,,why? for they got good structure to begin with ,, they would do very well as bodybuild if on same products and doses of the top fellas,, the problem is,,they either dont have the money ,, the sponsor,, the will ,, ,the time,, or they just gave up DUE TO DANTA AND SONS AND HERIS TYPE OF FILTS


gh15 approved

what about me?

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2v7ys7o.jpg)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/9hicd3.jpg)
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Max B on February 14, 2012, 11:18:11 AM
what about me?

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2v7ys7o.jpg)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/9hicd3.jpg)

what do u mean what about you? youve been on tren for like 6 months and you claim you weigh like 230 in that pic but it looks more like 210.... you're a 5iu warrior, u look good but theres a few million of you in america lol
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on February 14, 2012, 11:31:17 AM
no 222lbs this morning and 4 months tren, but most of the results came in the first 6 weeks believe it or not. If there are a few million like me in America, I haven't seen any in person in roughly 6 months that were even close. Only on my computer screen. Thanks for saying I am a liar though.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: flinstones1 on February 14, 2012, 11:37:23 AM
u still on rips amd?
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: StanZoLOL on February 14, 2012, 11:40:52 AM
no 222lbs this morning and 4 months tren, but most of the results came in the first 6 weeks believe it or not. If there are a few million like me in America, I haven't seen any in person in roughly 6 months that were even close.

No offense becuase you have a good build, but if that's the case you need to train at a better gym.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on February 14, 2012, 11:44:49 AM
u still on rips amd?

yes sir

No offense becuase you have a good build, but if that's the case you need to train at a better gym.

the only people with good physiques at my gym are the women. Even the male trainers look like they have never worked out before (except one). I don't live in an area where people take lifting seriously
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: StanZoLOL on February 14, 2012, 11:49:44 AM
the only people with good physiques at my gym are the women. Even the male trainers look like they have never worked out before (except one). I don't live in an area where people take lifting seriously

Same here tbh as far as the average person, although the hardcore gyms are very hardcore (national level bbers, plers etc).
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: Max B on February 14, 2012, 11:55:08 AM
no 222lbs this morning and 4 months tren, but most of the results came in the first 6 weeks believe it or not. If there are a few million like me in America, I haven't seen any in person in roughly 6 months that were even close. Only on my computer screen. Thanks for saying I am a liar though.

Never said u were a liar. 4 months opposed to 6 and 222 opposed to 230 not much difference there. Idk where ur from but hit up jersey shore nyc vegas or miami if u think ur build is special. I said u look good dude but i can tell ur one cocky guy and ur a dime a dozen around here playaa
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on February 14, 2012, 11:57:24 AM
Same here tbh as far as the average person, although the hardcore gyms are very hardcore (national level bbers, plers etc).

yea but I don't have anyone like that at my gym. At my old gym, only two guys had more muscle mass and I saw them on an rx muscle video once. Actually there were 2 others as well but they were fat. There were better physiques as a whole at that gym though.

And also, the NYC nightlife scene is more people trying to impress by the clothes they wear, not the body they carry.
Title: Re: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus"
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on February 14, 2012, 12:00:53 PM
Never said u were a liar. 4 months opposed to 6 and 222 opposed to 230 not much difference there. Idk where ur from but hit up jersey shore nyc vegas or miami if u think ur build is special. I said u look good dude but i can tell ur one cocky #### and ur a dime a dozen around here playaa

I live in NYC and there is no one here with a good physique except at a couple of hardcore gyms. Certainly not in the social scene though. Jersey Shore I've only been once but it was right before peak summer time. Miami I went once a year and a half ago so I didn't look as good then as I do now. I have to say I don't recall seeing anyone with a ridiculous physique at the W and Gansevort pool parties I was at though (i was drunk so maybe I did?). Vegas never been, yet. I don't come off as cocky in person, I'm actually a really friendly dude to anyone I meet. I'd be happy to chill with guys who don't have shit physiques for a change. Also, I have no interest in gaining any more muscle mass. I train to appeal to people, not to look like a freak.