Author Topic: Evan Centopani's take on "gurus" (Read 11833 times)

PJim · « **Reply #50 on:** February 13, 2012, 06:05:09 PM »

Quote from: Nails on February 13, 2012, 05:11:35 PM

I wish these fuckwits would stop trying to sound so philosophical.

Dogma2010 · « **Reply #51 on:** February 13, 2012, 06:36:31 PM »

The reason gurus are so successful is simple. The majority of people are just lazy. Yes someone who has knowledge about something and is willing to teach it to you for a fee is cutting down your learning curve but the key is that you need to LEARN SOMETHING.

gh15's posts here have eliminated the need for a guru though really

MCWAY · « **Reply #52 on:** February 13, 2012, 07:35:37 PM »

Quote from: crg on February 01, 2012, 04:09:07 PM

Those Who Cannot Do
by Ox

The guru. In the bodybuilding industry the presence of the guru has become as commonplace as chest on a Monday. And to be honest, it’s equally as annoying. Just as people in gyms everywhere have unanimously decided that Monday is the day they need to train chest, so have bodybuilders decided that a guru is what they need if they want to compete. Both sentiments are based in ignorance and are nothing more than an example of the monkey see monkey do virus that plaques this sport. Is there any better reason to do something than because the next guy is doing it? As physical as this sport is you still gotta use your brain.

But that’s why people seek out the guru right? Is it because he’s supposed to be that much smarter than you or because you simply don’t want to have to think for yourself? If you’re a stupid individual and are unable to think for yourself, the guru is for you. Because as terrible as most of them are, some of them are bound to at least know something. And most of the time it’s not because they’re smart but because they want so bad to be regarded as someone in the know that they will put all their time and energy into studying things they believe pertain to bodybuilding. So like I said, if you’re stupid or lazy, the guru is for you.

For those who seek out the guru because they believe that person is much more knowledgeable and more experienced than them, consider a few things. First off, ask yourself why this person is offering to “help” you. If they know so fucking much then why aren’t they out doing it themselves? Have they ever helped anyone before? Will your hard work and success be attributed to their expertise and used to solicit future “clients”? There are some shady motherfuckers out there and the last thing I like to see is some asshole take credit for the hard work and dedication of others. I see it all the time and it pisses me off. Are they simply doing it for the money? If they are then that’s fine. Just tell them that their pay is their compensation and to keep their fucking hands off your glory.

You also gotta wonder what this guy knows that you don’t. Technical shit and the ability to cite studies aside, does this guy have any practical application of the shit he talks? They say that those who cannot do teach. If the person has never actually “done” then that’s not okay. How the fuck is some guy going to sit there and “coach” you through your preparation for a contest when he has no fucking clue what it’s actually like? Bullshit. Think about that. And to be honest, even if the guy did it “back in the day” I’d still be skeptical because it’s easy to forget just what it’s like. I don’t train people in the gym but when I look around I see “trainers” helping their “clients”. It’s a fucking joke. Some guy is gonna help his client get ready for show. How the fuck do you do that when A. you yourself have never done it, or B. even if you have, you suck at it. Simply doing it isn’t enough. I can stick my finger in a light socket but that doesn’t make me an electrician and it sure as shit doesn’t qualify me to teach others how to be electricians. Man, the fucking blind leading the blind. It’s brutal.

Perhaps the most important question to ask yourself is who the fuck wants to be a guru? Seriously, what type of person sits there and gets off on the idea that in their own little world they’re the one that holds the key to someone else’s success. It’s straight creepy is what it is. If you want to help someone it’s one thing. If you want to maintain this guru mad scientist image then you’re a fucking weirdo and everyone should stay away from you. Only a guy with low self esteem, a tiny dick, and no friends would ever want everyone to believe that he’s some type of superhero bodybuilding witchdoctor and it’s only that type of person that would rather act as a guru and guard their “secrets” rather than teach an aspiring bodybuilder how to be confident in himself and show him how to listen to his body. An honorable person or a coach would help a bodybuilder become independent whereas a guru would aim to keep a bodybuilder dependent upon him for any number of reasons. Stay the hell away from anyone who doesn’t encourage you to have confidence in yourself and make your own decisions.

I’ve been fortunate enough to have plenty of help along the way. Because of the things I’ve learned in combination with the encouragement to have faith in myself and make my own decisions, I’m able to stand on my own two feet. But I’ve seen plenty of people out there who just want to make a buck, snag a bit of the spotlight and feed their ego at the same time. Stay the fuck away from people like that. They’re not your friend, they’ve never done it and they can’t teach you a damn thing.

Centopani makes some good points. But, there are a number of gurus who have competed, back in the day (Charles Glass, Chris Aceto, etc). Aceto competed at the state and national level. He certainly knows how to get ripped. But, given his shape and proportions (or lack thereof), he didn't go much farther than that. Glass, on the other hand, was a pro who competed at the Olympia level at one time.

I guess some guys want to give back by helping other competitors. Bill Pearl was a 4-time Mr. Universe. When he retired, he became a guru or coach, if you will. He helped Chris Dickerson finally win the Olympia in 1982.

Don't forget the original "Iron Guru", Vince Gironda, who was WAY AHEAD of his time, in terms of nutrition and training. His resume of champions is a who's-who of bodybuilding: Schwarzenegger, Scott, Bannout, et. al.

AlphaM · « **Reply #53 on:** February 13, 2012, 08:05:31 PM »

Wow Evan looks amazing holy smoking shit !!!!!

He sounds lost though! Evan if you are reading this you do it because of love, because of love for yourself and that's amazing, you share this love with others - your wife, daughter and friends all over you inspire and give positive energy, keep doing what you love.

gh15 · « **Reply #54 on:** February 13, 2012, 09:38:35 PM »

if you fellas insted of balonie around sactualy watch what need to be watched...you would get somewhere in bodybuild,,even the damn camera fella is gh15 follower,,i have absolit rule on the cult of bodybuild...

look into the nails when bench press...first he need to cut this damm klaws,,second...as you can see bodybuild = human growth hormones and he is ON AND ON VERY GOO DOSES AND VERY GOOD QUALITY ,,

if you notice closely into what gh15 say you will see who talk truth and who balonie you ,,but! i cant do the work for you i can only lead you to the promised land cant get you in there my friends

gh15 approved

AlphaM · « **Reply #55 on:** February 13, 2012, 09:43:40 PM »

Quote from: gh15 on February 13, 2012, 09:38:35 PM

if you fellas insted of balonie around sactualy watch what need to be watched...you would get somewhere in bodybuild,,even the damn camera fella is gh15 follower,,i have absolit rule on the cult of bodybuild...

look into the nails when bench press...first he need to cut this damm klaws,,second...as you can see bodybuild = human growth hormones and he is ON AND ON VERY GOO DOSES AND VERY GOOD QUALITY ,,

if you notice closely into what gh15 say you will see who talk truth and who balonie you ,,but! i cant do the work for you i can only lead you to the promised land cant get you in there my friends

gh15 approved

Good quity gh requires lost of $$$$$ plus connection. It's a step by step process first you do your best on what's available, then you connect to $$$$$ and source.

Don't tell me that he is built on thanktropin.

flinstones1 · « **Reply #56 on:** February 13, 2012, 09:45:35 PM »

Evan has bad genetics. He's just not gifted, at all. Short,clumsy,goofy,italian kid with fat boy genetics and cankles....and he's narrow as all hell for a fat kid. He is the poster boy for ALL DRUGS....nice guy though but if he ever gets mr. O I will laugh my fucking ass off

gh15 · « **Reply #57 on:** February 13, 2012, 09:46:55 PM »

Quote from: AlphaM on February 13, 2012, 09:43:40 PM

Good quity gh requires lost of $$$$$ plus connection. It's a step by step process first you do your best on what's available, then you connect to $$$$$ and source.

Don't tell me that he is built on thanktropin.

can be done on thanktropin in the 15-20 iu + range if hav ethe money

gh15 approved

gh15 · « **Reply #58 on:** February 13, 2012, 09:49:51 PM »

this look on even is the level of look you get from humatrope serostim and old kigtropin ,, very sharp and lines are nicely drying on you no mattr what,, but especialy on contet prep,, this is why i tried to bring you kigtropin ....but! thanktropin is very good little mroe water retention but! very good product and will take you there too if consistant and high enough dose,, actualy the only thing i approve now day is thanktropin and novitropin

gh15 approved

tbombz · « **Reply #59 on:** February 13, 2012, 09:49:58 PM »

Quote from: flinstones1 on February 13, 2012, 09:45:35 PM

Evan has bad genetics. He's just not gifted, at all. Short,clumsy,goofy,italian kid with fat boy genetics and cankles....and he's narrow as all hell for a fat kid. He is the poster boy for ALL DRUGS....nice guy though but if he ever gets mr. O I will laugh my fucking ass off

not good genetics? hes just about as muscular as any bodybuilder to ever step on stage. everybody is all drugs. his structure isnt as ideal as it could be.. but thats nit picking.

flinstones1 · « **Reply #60 on:** February 13, 2012, 09:55:03 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on February 13, 2012, 09:49:58 PM

not good genetics? hes just about as muscular as any bodybuilder to ever step on stage. everybody is all drugs. his structure isnt as ideal as it could be.. but thats nit picking.

dude you obviously haven't been around many gifted athletes in your life have you? Good genetics doesn't abuse gear for 10 years to struggle with a 405 bench press for a few reps. Good genetics isn't some narrow fat kid with cankles....i could go to ANY high school and pick out the best built guy on the football team and he can become the next Mr. O these days. You want good genetics my friend? See the guy in your gym at 6'2 at the local gold's who walks in and does 5 plates a side with small waiste and thick chest on doses evan would laugh at. See Chris Cormier see Gunter....the end.

flinstones1 · « **Reply #61 on:** February 13, 2012, 09:58:16 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on February 13, 2012, 09:49:58 PM

not good genetics? hes just about as muscular as any bodybuilder to ever step on stage. everybody is all drugs. his structure isnt as ideal as it could be.. but thats nit picking.

due to .....lots of time on legit products in correct doses. Dude hes been on growth hormone for close to a decade every day of his life, do you know how many muscle cells he has by now? He's not even human anymore...... I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand. Want good genes? See frank sepe at 23...Evan is very average dude. But he busted his ass and props to him. ROLE MODEL for bodybuilders around the world because of his determination...he has that

tbombz · « **Reply #62 on:** February 13, 2012, 10:03:16 PM »

define genes.. natural strength? aesthetics/stucture? responso to drugs? everyone who ever looked anywhewre near as good as evan does abused the shit out of drugs to get there.. those guys from the high school football team who have an 8 pack without trying could look great if they abused drugs.. thats true.. but better than evan? maybe by a little bit.. flex wheeler, chris cormier, ronnie coleman, phil heath, gunter.. name anybody you want to who had great natural genetics and then went on to abuse drugs... none of them looked much better than evan does..

flinstones1 · « **Reply #63 on:** February 13, 2012, 10:07:57 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on February 13, 2012, 10:03:16 PM

define genes.. natural strength? aesthetics/stucture? responso to drugs? everyone who ever looked anywhewre near as good as evan does abused the shit out of drugs to get there.. those guys from the high school football team who have an 8 pack without trying could look great if they abused drugs.. thats true.. but better than evan? maybe by a little bit.. flex wheeler, chris cormier, ronnie coleman, phil heath, gunter.. name anybody you want to who had great natural genetics and then went on to abuse drugs... none of them looked much better than evan does..

your just saying that cause you look like evan facially.

good genetics to me is...- 6'0 plus, wide,small waiste, full muscle bellies, good response to drugs,long legs, short torso, proportioned, small ankles and joints, doesn't get a huge ass from squatting. Kuclo as much as I hate the bastard is pretty damn close to the above minus the waiste part, and is superior to evan in the genetic department but trop fucked him for life too young he's ruined

tbombz · « **Reply #64 on:** February 13, 2012, 10:17:49 PM »

nah, i like evan cuz he was fat as kid

that sounds like a good definition of good genetics..

kuclo is tall?

regardless.. no matter how good of genetics a dude has, he isnt going to ever look much better than evan does.. even with "shitty genetics" evan is pretty close to the maximum muscle mass a human can carry

gh15 · « **Reply #65 on:** February 13, 2012, 10:19:17 PM »

any way you look at it this is the end conclusion you will get

hgh + insulina = modern bodybuild

that mens YOU DONT USE INSULINA? you will remain 215 220 in condition AT ABSOLIT BEST

you do use insulina? you will see the 230 250 and 260 coming upon you ...

it is how your body unitlize the hgh and insulina that will determine how well you will do as a bodybuild,,

you will NOT! be 5'10 230 on stage with out insulina ,, not in a superb condition not a chance

infact most fellas around on hgh and insulina lol go down from 240 to 200 to competre lol this is the sad part ,, they look like balonie but...thats life,, their bodys never meant to have 32 inch waist on stage ...or very wide delts,,

hgh + insulina = modern bodybuild,,yes you can look nicely walking around with your water loged hgh realted body in around 215lb 5'9...but! but! you will never ! i say it once again here YO UWILL NEVER SEE NUMBERS OF THE 230 240 250 UNLES INSULINA IS IN BLOOD WITH THE GH ,,and ofcourse the only one who can pull it are the one with good frames...

someone that will pull it well? jamaica noy

someone that will pull it well? dady wady

someone that will pull it wel? che

omeoen that will pull it well ? stavio

someone that will pull it well? big bobs

those are the fellas that will pull well hgh and insulina in high doses,,why? for they got good structure to begin with ,, they would do very well as bodybuild if on same products and doses of the top fellas,, the problem is,,they either dont have the money ,, the sponsor,, the will ,, ,the time,, or they just gave up DUE TO DANTA AND SONS AND HERIS TYPE OF FILTS

gh15 approved

flinstones1 · « **Reply #66 on:** February 13, 2012, 10:21:11 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on February 13, 2012, 10:17:49 PM

nah, i like evan cuz he was fat as kid

that sounds like a good definition of good genetics..

kuclo is tall?

regardless.. no matter how good of genetics a dude has, he isnt going to ever look much better than evan does.. even with "shitty genetics" evan is pretty close to the maximum muscle mass a human can carry

lol....true.

kuclo was 5'11 1/2 in his younger days but his head grow so damn much he's pushing 6'1 I believe

BikiniSlut · « **Reply #67 on:** February 13, 2012, 11:27:19 PM »

Evan is clearly talking about someone/someones in particular. He should grow some balls and name names instead of acting like a pussy.

The guy can't even write an intelligent article without putting the f bomb every third sentence.

OptimusPrime1980 · « **Reply #68 on:** February 14, 2012, 05:49:52 AM »

Quote from: flinstones1 on February 13, 2012, 09:45:35 PM

Evan has bad genetics. He's just not gifted, at all. Short,clumsy,goofy,italian kid with fat boy genetics and cankles....and he's narrow as all hell for a fat kid. He is the poster boy for ALL DRUGS....nice guy though but if he ever gets mr. O I will laugh my fucking ass off

isn't evan like 6''

he is not short at all.....
and i think he looks great..... sure he has flaws but we all do...
he has that 90's look!!!!
we should all be glad someone like him steps up!
evan at least is a real bodybuilder! wide!!!!
and he takes his time.... actually has a bit of a base.....
smart dude..... kinda like yates! hard working smart dude....

Oly15 · « **Reply #69 on:** February 14, 2012, 06:12:09 AM »

Quote from: flinstones1 on February 13, 2012, 09:55:03 PM

dude you obviously haven't been around many gifted athletes in your life have you? Good genetics doesn't abuse gear for 10 years to struggle with a 405 bench press for a few reps. Good genetics isn't some narrow fat kid with cankles....i could go to ANY high school and pick out the best built guy on the football team and he can become the next Mr. O these days. You want good genetics my friend? See the guy in your gym at 6'2 at the local gold's who walks in and does 5 plates a side with small waiste and thick chest on doses evan would laugh at. See Chris Cormier see Gunter....the end.

The thing is, you don't know how much any of them are on, so stop speculating and shut up.

RustyTrenbolona · « **Reply #70 on:** February 14, 2012, 06:38:58 AM »

so now we're braggin about not having a guru?

i guess when palumbo taught you everything you need to know about hormones you never need another one and can claim the opposite.... this guy became a twat. tryin to be the cool smart bodybuilder from next door. sittin there at the dinner table recieving adulation on his "world fame" (that comes from nothing but pinning gear) from dad. how sick is this. get real. fuckin claimer

BigCyp · « **Reply #71 on:** February 14, 2012, 06:44:05 AM »

Hahahahahaha "Scent au Penis"

AlphaMaleDawg · « **Reply #72 on:** February 14, 2012, 08:22:21 AM »

Quote from: gh15 on February 13, 2012, 10:19:17 PM

any way you look at it this is the end conclusion you will get

hgh + insulina = modern bodybuild

that mens YOU DONT USE INSULINA? you will remain 215 220 in condition AT ABSOLIT BEST

you do use insulina? you will see the 230 250 and 260 coming upon you ...

it is how your body unitlize the hgh and insulina that will determine how well you will do as a bodybuild,,

you will NOT! be 5'10 230 on stage with out insulina ,, not in a superb condition not a chance

infact most fellas around on hgh and insulina lol go down from 240 to 200 to competre lol this is the sad part ,, they look like balonie but...thats life,, their bodys never meant to have 32 inch waist on stage ...or very wide delts,,

hgh + insulina = modern bodybuild,,yes you can look nicely walking around with your water loged hgh realted body in around 215lb 5'9...but! but! you will never ! i say it once again here YO UWILL NEVER SEE NUMBERS OF THE 230 240 250 UNLES INSULINA IS IN BLOOD WITH THE GH ,,and ofcourse the only one who can pull it are the one with good frames...

someone that will pull it well? jamaica noy

someone that will pull it well? dady wady

someone that will pull it wel? che

omeoen that will pull it well ? stavio

someone that will pull it well? big bobs

those are the fellas that will pull well hgh and insulina in high doses,,why? for they got good structure to begin with ,, they would do very well as bodybuild if on same products and doses of the top fellas,, the problem is,,they either dont have the money ,, the sponsor,, the will ,, ,the time,, or they just gave up DUE TO DANTA AND SONS AND HERIS TYPE OF FILTS

gh15 approved

what about me?

Max B · « **Reply #73 on:** February 14, 2012, 11:18:11 AM »

Quote from: AlphaMaleDawg on February 14, 2012, 08:22:21 AM

what about me?

what do u mean what about you? youve been on tren for like 6 months and you claim you weigh like 230 in that pic but it looks more like 210.... you're a 5iu warrior, u look good but theres a few million of you in america lol

AlphaMaleDawg · « **Reply #74 on:** February 14, 2012, 11:31:17 AM »

no 222lbs this morning and 4 months tren, but most of the results came in the first 6 weeks believe it or not. If there are a few million like me in America, I haven't seen any in person in roughly 6 months that were even close. Only on my computer screen. Thanks for saying I am a liar though.