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That boy ain't right in the head.
His corner did not help him AT ALL by telling him he was winning every round. Very poor corner work.
I know him and like him, but he correctly lost that fight via decision.
That loss cost him millions. Millions.
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That boy ain't right in the head.
he won the fight, it was a BULLSHIT call. He would have DESTROYED St. Pierre.
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he won the fight, it was a BULLSHIT call. He would have DESTROYED St. Pierre.
I had it 4 rounds to 1 for Condit.
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The whole world had Condit 4 rounds to 1. Jesus Coach whats wrong with you ::)
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I had it 4 rounds to 1 for Condit.
Condit was running the whole time. This was Dana Whites payback to Diaz.
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Condit was running the whole time. This was Dana Whites payback to Diaz.
Running? WTF!!! Condit schooled Diaz...
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Running? WTF!!! Condit schooled Diaz...
Schooled him in what?? Were we watching the same fight?
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Running? WTF!!! Condit schooled Diaz...
Not one thing worked for Diaz and Condit beat him on points. It really isn't even debatable by anyone who knows the fight game...
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Schooled him in what?? Were we watching the same fight?
Why did Diaz try to take down Condit in the 5th round? Because he knew deep inside he was losing the fight.
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Condit was running the whole time. This was Dana Whites payback to Diaz.
Running or moving. He clearly out threw and out landed Diaz. Better kicks too. I only gave Diaz that last round because of the late TD and danger of a submission.
Hey, I'm a Diaz fan and wanted that huge GSP vs Diaz fight to happen.
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Schooled him in what?? Were we watching the same fight?
Were you watching the same fight with 90% of the mma community who had Condit winning easily?
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Running or moving. He clearly out threw and out landed Diaz. Better kicks. I only gave Diaz that last round because of the late TD and danger of a submission.
Hey, I'm a Diaz fan and wanted that huge GSP vs Diaz fight to happen.
Everybody on the planet is a Diaz fan as far as what he does in the ring. But tonight, he was frustrated because he couldn't do shit. And his antics after the fight are a bright light into the soul of a man who knows that he wasn't hurt but couldn't hurt his opponent. Diaz is 3 fights away from biting someone's ear off if he keeps fighting people who don't buy into his BS...Condit fought a perfect fight against a crazy man who isn't as badass as he thinks he is...
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Were you watching the same fight with 90% of the mma community who had Condit winning easily?
what mma community? I'm seeing mixed reviews everywhere. I'm sitting here with Dave Roberts and Kongo and they even said Diaz won.
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what mma community? I seeing mixed reviews everywhere.
Because everybody loves to watch Diaz fight. And everybody wanted a Diaz/GSP fight. But Daiz lost fair and square by a guy who did more in the ring then Diaz.
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I'm sitting here with Dave Roberts and Kongo and they even said Diaz won.
LMFAO!!!
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Everybody on the planet is a Diaz fan as far as what he does in the ring. But tonight, he was frustrated because he couldn't do shit. And his antics after the fight are a bright light into the soul of a man who knows that he wasn't hurt but couldn't hurt his opponent. Diaz is 3 fights away from biting someone's ear off if he keeps fighting people who don't buy into his BS...Condit fought a perfect fight against a crazy man who isn't as badass as he thinks he is...
Ya, it's tough watching sometimes when I know that Diaz is potentially seconds away from going nuts. I'm pretty sure he will reconsider his retirement and stay in the UFC. He's not a millionaire yet.
Coach, Diaz simply got outworked tonight. That never happens to him but it happened tonight. And his corner- the last thing he said to Nick before the final round started was, "You're up 3 rounds to 1!!" What was he thinking?
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Ya, it's tough watching sometimes when I know that Diaz is potentially seconds away from going nuts. I'm pretty sure he will reconsider his retirement and stay in the UFC. He's not a millionaire yet.
Coach, Diaz simply got outworked tonight. That never happens to him but it happened tonight. And his corner- the last thing he said to Nick before the final round started was, "You're up 3 rounds to 1!!" What was he thinking?
I think it's too late. Dana White hates him and after those comments he's out.
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I think it's too late. Dana White hates him and after those comments he's out.
He'll apologise to Dana and Dana will take him back. Bottom line is Diaz brings in money to the UFC...Hell look at the shit that HGH/Jack-o-lantern head Tito said about the UFC and Dana. Nick hasn't come close to that kind of embarrassment.
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Were you watching the same fight with 90% of the mma community who had Condit winning easily?
If 90% mma community had Condit winning how come 90% of the crowd was booing the decision?
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Crybaby loser. He'll come crawling back
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If 90% mma community had Condit winning how come 90% of the crowd was booing the decision?
Come one bro. Anyone who has watched any UFC fights over the past decade knows that the crowd at these events are some of the most uninformed people on the planet. Jesus bro, get it together. These crowds you talk about also Boo when the fight game goes to the ground. Which in a lot of people's eyes is the best kind of MMA fighting on the planet. What the fuck are you teaching at your MMA school Coach?
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If 90% mma community had Condit winning how come 90% of the crowd was booing the decision?
Coach, tomorrow during the SuperBowl, you are going to hear some crowd Boos and Cheers. Let me just tell you that 80% of all fans in that building tomorrow know very little about Football...Thought you might want to know that ;)Its estimated that 30% of the people at the Superbowl tomorrow have never been to an NFL game. Wrap that around your head for a second.
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Come one bro. Anyone who has watched any UFC fights over the past decade knows that the crowd at these events are some of the most uninformed people on the planet. Jesus bro, get it together. These crowds you talk about also Boo when the fight game goes to the ground. Which in a lot of people's eyes is the best kind of MMA fighting on the planet. What the fuck are you teaching at your MMA school Coach?
I don't teach MMA.
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Coach, tomorrow during the SuperBowl, you are going to hear some crowd Boos and Cheers. Let me just tell you that 80% of all fans in that building tomorrow know very little about Football...Thought you might want to know that ;)Its estimated that 30% of the people at the Superbowl tomorrow have never been to an NFL game. Wrap that around your head for a second.
Unless there's a KO or submission MMA is vastly subjective when it's that close. Football you either win or lose. Giants will win ;D
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Unless there's a KO or submission MMA is vastly subjective when it's that close. Football you either win or lose. Giants will win ;D
Pats by 10 ;D
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Before i answer i want to say im a huge fan of Nick and do not like Carlos, i dont dislike him either but hes not a fighter i like to watch. I thought Nick would have controlled this fight and got the stoppage but he lacked any kind of persistent offence which would have won him the rounds. Carlos however surprised me with great footwork and some outstanding combos, but evidently he did back off almost the entire fight.
There are no wrong opinions, but personally i think Nick controlled the pace. What he didnt do was actually fight, as incredible as that sounds for a Diaz! Where was the man that tore BJ apart??? He wanted to stand there and exchange but threw no pressure combos, he looked somewhat nervous, he never looked like having Condit in trouble at all and left it far too late to go to the ground. I would have been a little more giving and had Condit win 48 - 47 but thats as generous as i could have been. Very poor showing from Nick and if he wants to retire then hes already carved his name in the sport.
I still dont see either man being a threat to a healthy GSP.
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Before i answer i want to say im a huge fan of Nick and do not like Carlos, i dont dislike him either but hes not a fighter i like to watch. I thought Nick would have controlled this fight and got the stoppage but he lacked any kind of persistent offence which would have won him the rounds. Carlos however surprised me with great footwork and some outstanding combos, but evidently he did back off almost the entire fight.
There are no wrong opinions, but personally i think Nick controlled the pace. What he didnt do was actually fight, as incredible as that sounds for a Diaz! Where was the man that tore BJ apart??? He wanted to stand there and exchange but threw no pressure combos, he looked somewhat nervous, he never looked like having Condit in trouble at all and left it far too late to go to the ground. I would have been a little more giving and had Condit win 48 - 47 but thats as generous as i could have been. Very poor showing from Nick and if he wants to retire then hes already carved his name in the sport.
I still dont see either man being a threat to a healthy GSP.
This was the key thing for me. I dislike Diaz and i'm no fan of Condit, but one guy fought an intelligent fight and one guy pissed about.
I'll be perfectly happy if Diaz never fights again. THe always love to comment on how he has fantastic endurance, does triathlons and ironman so maybe he should switch to that full time.
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Draw
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That fight ruined my three way bet.
I had in in Diaz favor. Diaz imo won 1.2 and 5th round.
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The whole world had Condit 4 rounds to 1. Jesus Coach whats wrong with you ::)
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If Diaz didn't stalk him and chase him most of the fight, nothing would of happened. What more was Diaz supposed to do with a guy who won't engage? Condit landed 160 strikes.. so what this isn't a fucking karate match, did Diaz even look fazed by any of this? And I dont recall seeing Diaz in any trouble whatsoever, if anything he had Carlos in more trouble early in the fight. Great to see Greg Jackson manipulate the judging criteria to his fighters' advantages though ;D
who knows what GSP vs Condit will bring as far as excitement goes ::)
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I had Condit winning first 4 rounds. Diaz's face was way more jacked up post fight.
What advice do you give Diaz to avoid these types of situations BDB?
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I had Condit winning first 4 rounds. Diaz's face was way more jacked up post fight.
I agree , I think it was close in the first 4 but Condit was attempting and landing more combos . did a good job of avoiding the take downs when Diaz had his leg on a couple of occasions , he fought an intelligent fight and edged him out.
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I agree , I think it was close in the first 4 but Condit was attempting and landing more combos . did a good job of avoiding the take downs when Diaz had his leg on a couple of occasions , he fought an intelligent fight and edged him out.
Yep, heavily and wisely relied on the current point based judging system to edge out a victory.
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Carlos is a cowardly fighter when fighting tougher opposition, a real man would be ashamed to fight like that, because the watchers will never know who could have won the fight because there is only one man willing to fight. If that fight had to go to the death, I think we all now who would have won
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If Diaz didn't stalk him and chase him most of the fight, nothing would of happened. What more was Diaz supposed to do with a guy who won't engage? Condit landed 160 strikes.. so what this isn't a fucking karate match, did Diaz even look fazed by any of this? And I dont recall seeing Diaz in any trouble whatsoever, if anything he had Carlos in more trouble early in the fight. Great to see Greg Jackson manipulate the judging criteria to his fighters' advantages though ;D
who knows what GSP vs Condit will bring as far as excitement goes ::)
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GSP VS Condit = Snoozefest
I had Diaz winning all 5 rounds, you cant give the fight to the guy who looked like all he wanted to do was jump out of the octagon, which I am sure if it was in the rules Carlos would have done it. People forget this is fighting, not who can manipulate the rules enough to win a decision but still lose the fight. Fans will lose interest if the UFC if it encourages the New Age Coward Style MMA that is so popular these days.
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I watched it and although I wanted to see more "action" condit won the fight.
He basically used Nicks aggression, countered here and there and won.
In the end when NIck hand him on the ground I bet Condit corner was shitting their pants though.
...unfortunately I can easily see GSP winning vs Condit UD. If he fought this cautious vs Nick he will be even more cautious vs GSP.
GSP will be fine with the UD imo.
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GSP VS Condit = Snoozefest
I had Diaz winning all 5 rounds, you cant give the fight to the guy who looked like all he wanted to do was jump out of the octagon, which I am sure if it was in the rules Carlos would have done it.
Sure, if there was no cage they would have ended up somewhere in the desert im sure. In Japan Condit would have been yellow carded for this nonsense. And I completely understand Nicks frustration with the direction the sport in the west is going. Condit is a good fighter no doubt, but i'd like to know how good he REALLY is. Like, do they have to make these guys fight in phone booths for christ sakes??
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Sure, if there was no cage they would have ended up somewhere in the desert im sure. In Japan Condit would have been yellow carded for this nonsense. And I completely understand Nicks frustration with the direction the sport in the west is going. Condit is a good fighter no doubt, but i'd like to know how good he REALLY is. Like, do they have to make these guys fight in phone booths for christ sakes??
Agreed, Condit is afraid to really test himself, to see how much of a man he really is. Condit's MMA Career strategy, and so is GSP's is to fight smart fights and minimize permanent injuries and the like, but to gain the deep respect of your fellow man, you must be prepared to die fighting tooth and nail against the very best life throws your way. At some point, if this style becomes popular we are going to see a drop in the fanbase of UFC. It could be a good time for a more risk-taking competitor to start a slightly more violent version of the UFC, just like it used to be before all the feminist lesbians and manginas started complaining about it.
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Agreed, Condit is afraid to really test himself, to see how much of a man he really is. Condit's MMA Career strategy, and so is GSP's is to fight smart fights and minimize permanent injuries and the like, but to gain the deep respect of your fellow man, you must be prepared to die fighting tooth and nail against the very best life throws your way. At some point, if this style becomes popular we are going to see a drop in the fanbase of UFC. It could be a good time for a more risk-taking competitor to start a slightly more violent version of the UFC, just like it used to be before all the feminist lesbians and manginas started complaining about it.
Spot on. give the fighters the opportunity to fight this way and win and they will take it. If a guy has a choice of getting his ass kicked by a better striker or winning by points they will take the easy road of course. But that depends on the fighter. Junior Dos Santos goes out there to kill the mother fucker, take his head right off if he can and leave it all in the cage. And hes even fighting guys much bigger and stronger than himself. It just says alot about the fighter, as in what type of man he is.
Really though Carlos is not to blame for this but the current judging system is. If this is being judged like karate and a fight is won by whomever gets the most 'strikes' regardless of how damaging they are, then fuck yeah guys who dont like to engage or fight can make their way into title contention by using this strategy. Carlos won the decision according to the judging criteria absolutely, but I dont believe he won the fight.
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he won the fight, it was a BULLSHIT call. He would have DESTROYED St. Pierre.
Coach you are a good guy but ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,WHAT THE HELL IS THIS HORSESHIT^^^^^^^^^^^^^^....4-1 Condit all day long, and neither are in St Pierres league
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he won the fight, it was a BULLSHIT call. He would have DESTROYED St. Pierre.
haha. Ok "coach"
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Sucks - Diaz brothers are in a very unique way quite like able... great anti heroes.
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Sucks - Diaz brothers are in a very unique way quite like able... great anti heroes.
"fuck Casper Gomez and fuck the fucken Diaz brothers, I'll bury those cockroaches" 8)
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Condit won the fight lets be honest! He didnt just run, he ran and countered.Diaz just kept walking forward trying to throw punches! ::) Hasnt he ever heard of trying something different like a takedown or some kick/punch combo? I wanted Diaz to win, but he surprised me with how bad he looked against a guy who can move and hit.
Anyone saying Condit shouldve stood and fought etc...well look what happens when you do that, you end up like Wanderlei Silva or Chuck Lidell getting KOd ;)
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Condit won the fight lets be honest! He didnt just run, he ran and countered.Diaz just kept walking forward trying to throw punches! ::) Hasnt he ever heard of trying something different like a takedown or some kick/punch combo? I wanted Diaz to win, but he surprised me with how bad he looked against a guy who can move and hit.
Anyone saying Condit shouldve stood and fought etc...well look what happens when you do that, you end up like Wanderlei Silva or Chuck Lidell getting KOd ;)
So basically Condit could beat anyone on the planet with that strike and hike strategy? Even heavyweights.. because nobody would be able to engage him, and he'd just keep racking up the points and running away getting the W lol. Cigano and Overeem watch out.
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...well look what happens when you do that, you end up like Wanderlei Silva or Chuck Lidell getting KOd ;)
as opposed to all the men they have put to sleep in their respective primes when they stood with them.......
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So basically Condit could beat anyone on the planet with that strike and hike strategy? Even heavyweights.. because nobody would be able to engage him, and he'd just keep racking up the points and running away getting the W lol. Cigano and Overeem watch out.
Diaz could have implemented the bull rush if he really wasn't afraid of Condit's punching power. But he didn't :-\
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Greg Jackson is the one to blame for all of this! Almost all of his fighters (except Jones) are points pussies. Like someone said earlier, MMA fights should not go to a decision. It's either a KO, TKO, sub/tap, or throwing in the towel. Force these fuckers to fight!
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Greg Jackson is the one to blame for all of this! Almost all of his fighters (except Jones) are points pussies. Like someone said earlier, MMA fights should not go to a decision. It's either a KO, TKO, sub/tap, or throwing in the towel. Force these fuckers to fight!
lol true. Condit is getting too much hate for this, the hate MUST be directed at the current judging criteria, not the fighters.
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August 4, LA. Rematch set. Condit v. Diaz II.
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Great news IMO, Dana was discussing putting it together in time for GSP's return just after the fight and as a matchup it makes the most sense. Financially its a win for Zuffa, and Diaz will be motivated to look for the takedown and finish. Cant wait as theres more meaning to it this time, hopefully this will be the fight we were expecting to see.
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Great news IMO, Dana was discussing putting it together in time for GSP's return just after the fight and as a matchup it makes the most sense. Financially its a win for Zuffa, and Diaz will be motivated to look for the takedown and finish. Cant wait as theres more meaning to it this time, hopefully this will be the fight we were expecting to see.
Lol, of course the UFC wants this rematch. They would cum in thier pants at the thought of hyping a GSP vs. DIAZ fight. They are praying that DIAZ wins this time.
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I would have refused the fight if I were Condit. He supposedly earned the right to fight GSP for the real title. This just tells me that the fix is in.
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Oh well there goes the rematch and Diaz' UFC career - failed the drug test by testing positive for marijuana and will likely face a 1 year suspension. He's too dumb to learn from past mistakes and now doesnt deserve to fight in the UFC.
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I would have refused the fight if I were Condit. He supposedly earned the right to fight GSP for the real title. This just tells me that the fix is in.
agreed. Something smells in the offices of the UFC.
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WTF, why is there testing of marijuana? PEDs I can understand, but isnt it to his own detriment to use rec drugs?
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This just tells me that the fix is in.
keep your day job....you'd starve as a detective !
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keep your day job....you'd starve as a detective !
Why would you give an immediate rematch to Diaz, unless you were really hoping he would win. Condit (according to the judges) won fair and square. If I were Condit, I would have told the UFC to fuck off, and that I am waiting for GSP.
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Why would you give an immediate rematch to Diaz, unless you were really hoping he would win. Condit (according to the judges) won fair and square. If I were Condit, I would have told the UFC to fuck off, and that I am waiting for GSP.
Its business, and great business at that. Simple.
The hype around the decision means widespread interest, even more so than the first fight which translates to BIG $$$ for Zuffa. With GSP out 'til later on in the year there is sufficient time for a defence before he returns, why would anyone (meaning Zuffa) turn their noses up at that much money?
There are no favourites, Dana & the Fertitta's do what is best for the company financially and this was a tremendous opportunity to rake in more cash from 1 fight than 3 - 4 shitty Fight Night cards.
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The hype around the decision means widespread interest, even more so than the first fight which translates to BIG $$$ for Zuffa.
yup !
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Greg Jackson is the one to blame for all of this! Almost all of his fighters (except Jones) are points pussies. Like someone said earlier, MMA fights should not go to a decision. It's either a KO, TKO, sub/tap, or throwing in the towel. Force these fuckers to fight!
This is a brilliant post, probably the best I have read on MMA is a long time. Yeah, fuck decisions. It should be like in gladiatorial combats in ancient Rome: there should be no end to the fight until one wins without questions. Kill or be killed. Make KO, TKO, submission, doctor stoppage, collapse from exhaustion and verbal submission the only ways the fight ends. In the case of verbal submission, the fighter who gave up and quit should not only not get any money for the fight, but should be fined the value that he would make if he won the fight. Be ruthless!! This way, I promise, MMA will be 10 times more exciting, and lay&smother fighters like GSP will drop out of the top 10 in their divisions.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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This is a brilliant post, probably the best I have read on MMA is a long time. Yeah, fuck decisions. It should be like in gladiatorial combats in ancient Rome: there should be no end to the fight until one wins without questions. Kill or be killed. Make KO, TKO, submission, doctor stoppage, collapse from exhaustion and verbal submission the only ways the fight ends. In the case of verbal submission, the fighter who gave up and quit should not only not get any money for the fight, but should be fined the value that he would make if he won the fight. Be ruthless!! This way, I promise, MMA will be 10 times more exciting, and lay&smother fighters like GSP will drop out of the top 10 in their divisions.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
For every one person like you there are about 3 who support the current point scored system, and they actually want fights to be judged on points instead of effort to finish and engage. Its complete bullshit. They're like right winged christian moms who dont like violence, they need to gtfo and go back to watching tennis and leave our beloved sport alone.
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not soccer kicks like pride had, but I wouldn't mind seeing knees to the head of grounded fighters allowed in the UFC...
I think that might open up things ..
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not soccer kicks like pride had, but I wouldn't mind seeing knees to the head of grounded fighters allowed in the UFC...
I think that might open up things ..
Oh i'd love to see that. I always found soccer kicks to be entertaining because as soon as the a guy gets dropped, shit hits the fan and things get really exciting fast. Instead of these unified rules where when someone hits the mat the audience gets ready for a borefest.
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lol true. Condit is getting too much hate for this, the hate MUST be directed at the current judging criteria, not the fighters.
The judges didn't decide to fight like a girls blouse. Condit Did! - Condit is a fearful point fighter when faced with strong opposition, you can almost guarantee that Condit knew he couldn't win a fight with Diaz, so he turned the event into a spectacle. Watching that fight was embarrassing for Carlos, nobody cares that he won, what will be remembered is that he fights like a massive homo!
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This is a brilliant post, probably the best I have read on MMA is a long time. Yeah, fuck decisions. It should be like in gladiatorial combats in ancient Rome: there should be no end to the fight until one wins without questions. Kill or be killed. Make KO, TKO, submission, doctor stoppage, collapse from exhaustion and verbal submission the only ways the fight ends. In the case of verbal submission, the fighter who gave up and quit should not only not get any money for the fight, but should be fined the value that he would make if he won the fight. Be ruthless!! This way, I promise, MMA will be 10 times more exciting, and lay&smother fighters like GSP will drop out of the top 10 in their divisions.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
The modern UFC is designed to appeal to the masses, this has always been Dana's vision and like it or not it is now a reality. The sport is no longer about seeing 2 men smash each other to a bloody pulp until 1 is standing, it has evolved in such a way that it has opened doors that would never have been approached using the original format.
I can safely say that most of us are not a fan of the point system - i.e. the way Condit won the fight - however it is never going to go back to the old rules, or even 1 night tournament fighting (though boxing now has it in the form of Prizefighter). Once fighters realised all they had to do was land a few combos and "avoid" confrontation (essentially run away) it became the easy way for a guy to pick up the W. Greg Jackson is doing whats best for his fighters and to be fair the camps success is unrivalled. It is shite but its true.
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The modern UFC is designed to appeal to the masses, this has always been Dana's vision and like it or not it is now a reality. The sport is no longer about seeing 2 men smash each other to a bloody pulp until 1 is standing, it has evolved in such a way that it has opened doors that would never have been approached using the original format.
I can safely say that most of us are not a fan of the point system - i.e. the way Condit won the fight - however it is never going to go back to the old rules, or even 1 night tournament fighting (though boxing now has it in the form of Prizefighter). Once fighters realised all they had to do was land a few combos and "avoid" confrontation (essentially run away) it became the easy way for a guy to pick up the W. Greg Jackson is doing whats best for his fighters and to be fair the camps success is unrivalled. It is shite but its true.
Well, yeah, except that the general public finds MMA even with a ton of rules to protect fighters too brutal and will never embrace it. And an MMA organization that adopts the rules I am suggesting will suplant the UFC with the hardcore fans, who are the only ones who consistently watch MMA fights, even if their fighters are inferior.
MMA is one those things that you either love or hate. There are far more "hardcore" fans than general public fans because people who hate brutality and violence simply don't want to watch guys trying to physically disable opponents through violence, even if the violence is controlled. People who love brutality want to see the most of it, and people who don't like it don't want to see any of it.
Dana is delusional if he thinks that creating a bunch of sissy rules will make people who are not fans of violence like combat sports. All he will accomplish it to see the popularity of the UFC decline. Fans of violence will watch other promotions as they will find the UFC too sissified, and non-fans of violence also won't watch it because guys trying to hit each other, even if only to score points to win decisions, is still too violent for their delicate sensibilities.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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WTF, why is there testing of marijuana? PEDs I can understand, but isnt it to his own detriment to use rec drugs?
It is riduculous considering that NBA basketball supposedly has drug testing and when was the last time you've heard about anyone in the NBA testing positive? I believe it was Charles Barkley who said 95% of all NBA basketball players smoke weed. Yet no positive tests. At least the IFBB doesn't try to insult people's intelligence by saying their "sport" is drug tested...
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Dana is delusional if he thinks that creating a bunch of sissy rules will make people who are not fans of violence like combat sports. SUCKMYMUSCLE
the rule changes had nothing to do with dana trying to get approval from fans..
the rule changes were to get state commissions to sanction MMA..
you don't seem to realize that state athletic commisions have NOTHING to do with the UFC brand !
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the rule changes had nothing to do with dana trying to get approval from fans..
the rule changes were to get state commissions to sanction MMA..
you don't seem to realize that state athletic commisions have NOTHING to do with the UFC brand !
In theory they dont, but in reality with the amount of money Zuffa spends on lobbying there is no telling what is going on behind closed doors. Zuffa has so much money they can do whatever or buy whatever conveniences they want.
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the rule changes had nothing to do with dana trying to get approval from fans..
the rule changes were to get state commissions to sanction MMA..
you don't seem to realize that state athletic commisions have NOTHING to do with the UFC brand !
I know very well that the rules are enforced by the athletic comissions, but the reason why Dana even seeked this out was to gain approval from the general public. The problem is that he won't for the reasons I have already explained, and the UFC will decrease in popularity with the only fans who care to watch combat sports anyway.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I know very well that the rules are enforced by the athletic comissions, but the reason why Dana even seeked this out was to gain approval from the general public. The problem is that he won't for the reasons I have already explained, and the UFC will decrease in popularity with the only fans who care to watch combat sports anyway.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
there should be no end to the fight until one wins without questions. Kill or be killed. Make KO, TKO, submission, doctor stoppage, collapse from exhaustion and verbal submission the only ways the fight ends.
an organization with fighters with lesser talent and getting paid less that has no rules, and that no state will sanction is gonna take the place of the ufc huh ?....interesting stuff...good reading ! ;)
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an organization with fighters with lesser talent and getting paid less that has no rules, and that no state will sanction is gonna take the place of the ufc huh ?....interesting stuff...good reading ! ;)
Yes it will, because it will appeal more to fans of combat sports, who are the only fans there are. The general public will never like MMA, with no rules or lots of them, approved by the athletic comissions or not.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Not that im bashing anyones opinion but UFC tried that and it took 40 million to get it to a point of general acceptance. Everyone these days thinks theyre an MMA fighter, with their Tapout shirts and threats of KO / subbing you (i love it when i hear it). Nobody gace a rats ass about the true form of MMA years ago, i dont remember Royce, Kimo etc grossing 1 million PPV buys.........
MMA is where it needs to be for the sport to expand, alienating the casual fans who still contribute more $ than the small sect of hardcores will only put the company in jeopardy. You cant cater for the few and expect the many to follow suit.
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Not that im bashing anyones opinion but UFC tried that and it took 40 million to get it to a point of general acceptance. Everyone these days thinks theyre an MMA fighter, with their Tapout shirts and threats of KO / subbing you (i love it when i hear it). Nobody gace a rats ass about the true form of MMA years ago, i dont remember Royce, Kimo etc grossing 1 million PPV buys.........
MMA is where it needs to be for the sport to expand, alienating the casual fans who still contribute more $ than the small sect of hardcores will only put the company in jeopardy. You cant cater for the few and expect the many to follow suit.
You got it all wrong. The growth of MMA in the past few years was by young men who are fans of violence and just became aware that MMA even exists recently. They would be fans even if you allowed guys to stab each other with knives inside the cage. The new fans are not people who were turned off by the brutality of the old MMA and now became fans because it was toned down. The new rules will not make it more accepted by people who hate violence because they hate any violence, but it will decrease the popularity of the UFC with the fans and they will tune in to watch other promotions.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yes it will, because it will appeal more to fans of combat sports, who are the only fans there are. The general public will never like MMA, with no rules or lots of them, approved by the athletic comissions or not.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
you can't regress and your idea is all about the sport deevolving back to what it used to be..