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"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.."
-- Winston Churchill
These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read: Unfortunately, most voters don't know this.
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them; and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
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Nothing like getting lectured on 'Socialism' by someone who can't define the word.
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Nothing like getting lectured on 'Socialism' by someone who can't define the word.
Which definition would you like. According to you and people like you, Obama isn't a socialist.
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Here's some anti-socialism:
Hilarious right-wing humor!
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Nothing like getting lectured on 'Socialism' by someone who can't define the word.
Typical petty response...
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your mom is a failure
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Never understood why some people are so against helping poor people.
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I'm a midget with small man's syndrome
QFT
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"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.."
-- Winston Churchill
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Never understood why some people are so against helping poor people.
You don't help poor people by making others poorer to pay for it.
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Nothing like getting lectured on 'Socialism' by someone who can't define the word.
This. Embarrassing.
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Having a welfare society can be very helpful/productive as long as you don't victimize those in need.
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Never understood why some people are so against helping poor people.
Who's against helping the poor? I'm against people who are perfectly able body who sponge off the system. Ie; people on UE for extended periods of time and then having benefits extended when there is no money.
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Acts 2:44-45
And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.
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Acts 2:44-45
And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.
So naive.
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I don't share all of Coach's views like religion...but this socialism crap is right on.
For all the dumb wits who cry about helping the poor etc...that's not the issue. The issue is the assholes who become residents of the nanny state and depend on hand outs. There are generations of these people.
I started my business last year and I'm getting around to paying taxes right now. It's a fucking crime how much of my money that I earned through my work, my own time and diligence is being STOLEN from me.
I agree that we should pay taxes to have a standing military, public schools, roads...and other institutions but it's highway robbery what the government is taking from businesses.
The amount that I am paying in taxes this year would put me in a very nice lease for about 2 years in an AMG mercedes while smoking Cubans cigars everyday. It's crazy.
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Nothing like getting lectured on 'Socialism' by someone who can't define the word.
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This is exactly what sociliasm and welfare programs produce. This bullshit you see in every city. See if you can stand five minutes of this.
You should watch it. You should allow your kids to watch it... Everyone should watch this movie... Let the reality burn deep into your brain...Know what your enemy's intent is. This is the ghetto society our government has produced and people need to understand why they need to be armed... this video has educational value...
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This is exactly what sociliasm and welfare programs produce. This bullshit you see in every city. See if you can stand five minutes of this.
You should watch it. You should allow your kids to watch it... Everyone should watch this movie... Let the reality burn deep into your brain...Know what your enemy's intent is. This is the ghetto society our government has produced and people need to understand why they need to be armed... this video has educational value...
A welfare state might contribute to such phenomena but fundamentally it's about culture and the attitudes of the citizens. As soon as a society starts to perceive the less fortunate as "victims" they are fundamentally changing the mindset of an entire class of people. It's a mindset that spreads like cancer and once the lower class is infected with it things start to get way worse. If you're a 'victim', that means you're helpless. If you're helpless, then you're not in control of your own life. If you're not in control of your own life, you won't do anything to make it better.
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This is exactly what sociliasm and welfare programs produce. This bullshit you see in every city. See if you can stand five minutes of this.
You should watch it. You should allow your kids to watch it... Everyone should watch this movie... Let the reality burn deep into your brain...Know what your enemy's intent is. This is the ghetto society our government has produced and people need to understand why they need to be armed... this video has educational value...
this is sickening-how do we fix this
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OP is total utter, bullshit, lets just dedicate to hormones and homosexuality please.
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Coach, why do you hate the less fortunate?
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Socialism works very well in societies that are relatively homogenous--meaning everyone has similar traits and capabilities.
In Scandinavia there are practically no homeless, and everyone enjoys a high standard of living.
In situation where the population is heterogenous socialism doesn't work, because the disparity in intellect/capability means a small percentage will be paying for the less capable, until the system bankrupts and society collapses.
Europeans are enjoying a very high standard of living with their socialism, but as they are inundated with third world immigrants, the system will become over taxed and collapse.
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So naive.
Luke 3:11
And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
It's your book retard...not mine.
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You go first and give up all your stuff to some lazy drug addict down the street. Dont expect me to do the same when you are busted out.
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your mom is a failure
;D
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This is exactly what sociliasm and welfare programs produce. This bullshit you see in every city. See if you can stand five minutes of this.
You should watch it. You should allow your kids to watch it... Everyone should watch this movie... Let the reality burn deep into your brain...Know what your enemy's intent is. This is the ghetto society our government has produced and people need to understand why they need to be armed... this video has educational value...
Fear mongering is what creates this...Its a learnt behavior.
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Luke 3:11
And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
It's your book retard...not mine.
the coach is a horrible human being , he uses religion to absolve him self from all the terrible things he did in the 70's and 80's (drugs, gay sex etc )
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the coach is a horrible human being , he uses religion to absolve him self from all the terrible things he did in the 70's and 80's (drugs, gay sex etc )
Yes...I'm horrible ::)
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Yes...I'm horrible ::)
Socialists are thieves who try to mask their larceny in all sorts of ridiculous masks. They never got first either always asking others to pay mre while they laugh on the sidelines.
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Remember the former head of the IMF Strauss-Kahn? He was running as a Socialist for the next French presidency. He was "busted" while staying in a $3k a night hotel.
People only advocate for pure socialism if they somehow financially benefit from it or are attending college.
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the coach is a horrible human being ,
Three ex-wives agree .
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This is exactly what sociliasm and welfare programs produce. This bullshit you see in every city. See if you can stand five minutes of this.
You should watch it. You should allow your kids to watch it... Everyone should watch this movie... Let the reality burn deep into your brain...Know what your enemy's intent is. This is the ghetto society our government has produced and people need to understand why they need to be armed... this video has educational value...
Filthy savages that should be exterminated like the cockroaches they are..
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Three ex-wives agree .
Yep
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If I have $100 in my pocket and give the bum on the corner $5, that helps him and I still have $95. Seems like it works to me.
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If your trying to bring religion into this your way off the mark. God believed it is the people and the church that help the poor, not the government as he would put it. There is a big difference between giving and taking. For all you who believe in socialism, how much to you give to charities? I bet none. So STFU. You think its a great idea as long as others are doing it for you.
No wonder this generation of socialists are shaping up to be a monumental failure. When in the hell did we become this nanny state? Oh I know, when we started giving everyone a trophy, when we started telling kids everyone's a winner and nobody ever loses. Winning and being successful in life is about working hard. Now go protest and proclaim someone is greedy because they have what you never bothered to work for. PUSSYS.
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If I have $100 in my pocket and give the bum on the corner $5, that helps him and I still have $95. Seems like it works to me.
Thats what you should do and you'd be a better man for it. But if that bum steals 5$ out of your pocket how would you feel?
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Never understood why some people are so against helping poor people.
Because it
1) destroys incentive
2) Creates a welfare mentality
3) Provides people who COULD work the opportunity NOT to work.
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This is exactly what sociliasm and welfare programs produce. This bullshit you see in every city. See if you can stand five minutes of this.
You should watch it. You should allow your kids to watch it... Everyone should watch this movie... Let the reality burn deep into your brain...Know what your enemy's intent is. This is the ghetto society our government has produced and people need to understand why they need to be armed... this video has educational value...
And crime rates soar when disparities in income and wealth are ignored. Logic fail.
This thread is shit, you guys are fucking retards.
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Because it
1) destroys incentive
2) Creates a welfare mentality
3) Provides people who COULD work the opportunity NOT to work.
Lol your a fucking idiot, you seriously think your smarter than the boatloads of people who thought of this shit before you?
There is a huge difference in giving out handouts, and programs aimed at helping the poor. The military is a prime example of a socialist program that is implemented on a massive scale, and with the exception of wiggs, goes directly against the 3 things you just pointed out.
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If I have $100 in my pocket and give the bum on the corner $5, that helps him and I still have $95. Seems like it works to me.
I have no problem with that if it's legit. You're talking about helping a person voluntarily as opposed to having the government TAKE it.
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Lol your a fucking idiot, you seriously think your smarter than the boatloads of people who thought of this shit before you?
There is a huge difference in giving out handouts, and programs aimed at helping the poor. The military is a prime example of a socialist program that is implemented on a massive scale, and with the exception of wiggs, goes directly against the 3 things you just pointed out.
So this is what they teach in college now?
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I have no problem with that if it's legit. You're talking about helping a person voluntarily as opposed to having the government TAKE it.
Isnt the gvt just the middleman? An inefficient one I admit.
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So this is what they teach in college now?
Yes but Id recommend you start with basic logic before you delve into the heavy stuff. ;)
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i am on u.e. 1st time and i paid into it all my life. so being 36 i will take my sweet time... it's my money... i worked for it =]
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And crime rates soar when disparities in income and wealth are ignored. Logic fail. best rap ever by jews and white... hmm =/
This thread is shit, you guys are fucking retards.
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Yes but Id recommend you start with basic logic before you delve into the heavy stuff. ;)
Thanks, I've been dealing with basic logic and commonsense for alooong time and it's worked well.
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Isnt the gvt just the middleman? An inefficient one I admit.
There's a difference between taking and giving. I get we need to pay taxes, thats not my issue. Extreme socialism is.
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i am on u.e. 1st time and i paid into it all my life. so being 36 i will take my sweet time... it's my money... i worked for it =]
Yes you did and you're entitled to it. But when it runs out is it other peoples responsibility to pay for the extension? There's a shitload of jobs out there, always has been.
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I come on getbig to catch a break from all the left wing lunatics and right wing nut-huggers on television But once again "Coach" is spewing the same bullsh@t conspiracy propaganda , I'll give you this Coach , it's true Obama don't give a Fuk about you or me but Mitt Willard Romney don't give 2 Fuks about you or me and I'll bet you $10,000 on that ::)
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there are jobs. ext = not looking
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Who's against helping the poor? I'm against people who are perfectly able body who sponge off the system. Ie; people on UE for extended periods of time and then having benefits extended when there is no money.
Coach, this is not directed at you just needed someone to quote but I'm sure you will understand and agree.
It's one thing for one person voluntarily to help out and give to another. It's quite another thing for a third party to take from one person and give to another because they have unilaterally determined that someone else deserves or is entitled to something that you own more than you do.
Remember, the government can't give anybody anything simply because it has nothing to give. What it gives to one person it has taken from someone else.
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If I have $100 in my pocket and give the bum on the corner $5, that helps him and I still have $95. Seems like it works to me.
But if you don't give him squat maybe he'll be force to get a job and be a productive member of society.
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While I don't agree with socialism I also don't agree with the form of capitalism that goes on today in the US.
There are plenty of people out there who are under-employed, plenty of people who have jobs and have a hard time making ends meet living a very modest lifestyle. Employers are cutting costs and providing from bad to worse healthcare options and leaving the employees to pay higher premiums despite worse coverage. And don't even mention retirement, even if you don't get laid off after 15 years with the same company, your retirement account is a joke.
While people love to use the perfectly able bodied people on welfare that choose to be lazy as an example, they never talk about those who have jobs in many cases multiple and are still struggling. Usually they say things like " well that's life, they should have gotten a better education ". Don't you guys realize that in a functioning society you need people to perform ALL of the jobs that make the society work? And in order for it to keep working, people at every level should be able to put a roof over their head, go on vacation once a year,put their kids through college, and retire at a reasonable age.
If you think that Obama is the greatest threat to this country's future, you are beyond ignorant.
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While I don't agree with socialism I also don't agree with the form of capitalism that goes on today in the US.
There are plenty of people out there who are under-employed, plenty of people who have jobs and have a hard time making ends meet living a very modest lifestyle. Employers are cutting costs and providing from bad to worse healthcare options and leaving the employees to pay higher premiums despite worse coverage. And don't even mention retirement, even if you don't get laid off after 15 years with the same company, your retirement account is a joke.
While people love to use the perfectly able bodied people on welfare that choose to be lazy as an example, they never talk about those who have jobs in many cases multiple and are still struggling. Usually they say things like " well that's life, they should have gotten a better education ". Don't you guys realize that in a functioning society you need people to perform ALL of the jobs that make the society work? And in order for it to keep working, people at every level should be able to put a roof over their head, go on vacation once a year,put their kids through college, and retire at a reasonable age.
If you think that Obama is the greatest threat to this country's future, you are beyond ignorant.
this
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Coach, what's your opinion on GFC and how it was created? Do you believe in the bailing out AIG or letting them fold?
Was this good and fair capitalism? Would John Galt approve?
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I don't share all of Coach's views like religion...but this socialism crap is right on.
For all the dumb wits who cry about helping the poor etc...that's not the issue. The issue is the assholes who become residents of the nanny state and depend on hand outs. There are generations of these people.
I started my business last year and I'm getting around to paying taxes right now. It's a fucking crime how much of my money that I earned through my work, my own time and diligence is being STOLEN from me.
I agree that we should pay taxes to have a standing military, public schools, roads...and other institutions but it's highway robbery what the government is taking from businesses.
The amount that I am paying in taxes this year would put me in a very nice lease for about 2 years in an AMG mercedes while smoking Cubans cigars everyday. It's crazy.
We paid about 200,000 in taxes last year. I feel sick just thinking about it.
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Thanks, I've been dealing with basic logic and commonsense for alooong time and it's worked well.
No you haven't. You don't even know what those things are.
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socialism, like most politically charged words, has lost all of it's meaning as of late, and serves nothing more than a pavlovian stimuli to elicit an emotional reaction - one way or another - in political power struggles by those in the ruling class or those seeking to usurp the ruling class.
i can talk to 100 different people around the world and the definition of socialism, capitalism, or "free market" will be defined and thought of differently, though probably more homogeneous in people living within the same countries/areas.
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But if you don't give him squat maybe he'll be force to get a job and be a productive member of society.
Ah, the old bootstrap myth. That was old when Horatio Alger wrote about it.
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"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.."
-- Winston Churchill
These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read: Unfortunately, most voters don't know this.
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them; and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
great post
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Three ex-wives agree .
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And crime rates soar when disparities in income and wealth are ignored. Logic fail.
This thread is shit, you guys are fucking retards.
In the 1970s did African Americans commit crimes at same rates they do today? See, liberals came, started handing out welfare checks and "get free money, white people owe you" sentiments and pretty soon African american communities went to shit. Most of the problems that America has today can be traced to liberal policies that favor big government intervention and all that commie shit.
Social security? Whose fucking idea was that?
Schools failing students left and right? Who let teacher unions in power?
medicare
medicaid
its easy to go on, liberals leave behind failed financially broken programs left and right
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Ah, the old bootstrap myth. That was old when Horatio Alger wrote about it.
Not a myth. And truth never gets old. You've never been homeless or in such a desperate situation that it's you better do something or starve. I have.
Hunger and getting a roof over your head can sometimes be a huge incentive to do something and get a job -- any job. When I first moved back to Hawaii I was delivering pizzas at 47 years old after working almost 20 years as an engineer.
This doesn't apply to those who are infirmed or have some mental problems. Most are bums and parasites who leach off the system. Of course, you are free to give them your money. But one shouldn't be forced to subsidize someone else's life style.
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:P :D 8)
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Not a myth. And truth never gets old. You've never been homeless or in such a desperate situation that it's you better do something or starve. I have.
Hunger and getting a roof over your head can sometimes be a huge incentive to do something and get a job -- any job. When I first moved back to Hawaii I was delivering pizzas at 47 years old after working almost 20 years as an engineer.
This doesn't apply to those who are infirmed or have some mental problems. Most are bums and parasites who leach off the system. Of course, you are free to give them your money. But one shouldn't be forced to subsidize someone else's life style.
From generalization to anecdote. Your future lies in politics, my friend.
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This "spoof" video came out the other day,and this is exactly what socialism has bought in the UK.You might not understand the accent (Brummie/Birmingham) so i`ll tell you a few of the things she says.
"the doctor confirmed it,....i`m a lazy cow,but so was my mum,and i`m sure my daughters will be...its genetic"
"i tried retail work,part time,i was a shoplifter...and if i go full time i`ll need a bigger overcoat"
The daughters names are Trojan and Tangerine.
"i went back to the doctors and said can you upgrade me to bi-polar,or give me a syndrome,like hamburgers syndrome"
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Just want to say one thing: Real socialism takes away 90% of your income and spreads it out over the whole. Obama wants people to pay 30% income tax, whether they're making a mil a year or 10k.
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While I don't agree with socialism I also don't agree with the form of capitalism that goes on today in the US.
There are plenty of people out there who are under-employed, plenty of people who have jobs and have a hard time making ends meet living a very modest lifestyle. Employers are cutting costs and providing from bad to worse healthcare options and leaving the employees to pay higher premiums despite worse coverage. And don't even mention retirement, even if you don't get laid off after 15 years with the same company, your retirement account is a joke.
While people love to use the perfectly able bodied people on welfare that choose to be lazy as an example, they never talk about those who have jobs in many cases multiple and are still struggling. Usually they say things like " well that's life, they should have gotten a better education ". Don't you guys realize that in a functioning society you need people to perform ALL of the jobs that make the society work? And in order for it to keep working, people at every level should be able to put a roof over their head, go on vacation once a year,put their kids through college, and retire at a reasonable age.
If you think that Obama is the greatest threat to this country's future, you are beyond ignorant.
good post
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Why the hell do you Americans consider Obama a socialist..? For Dutch (and most European) standard he's still very rightwing..... >:(
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Socialism works very well in societies that are relatively homogenous--meaning everyone has similar traits and capabilities.
In Scandinavia there are practically no homeless, and everyone enjoys a high standard of living.
Scandinavia is far from socialist - Sweden and Denmark, for example, have less regulations than the US. They just have a larger tax/welfare state.
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Why the hell do you Americans consider Obama a socialist..? For Dutch (and most European) standard he's still very rightwing..... >:(
Really? He was a member of the socialist party as a young one and all the class mates who said he was an open marxist.
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Really? He was a member of the socialist party as a young one and all the class mates who said he was an open marxist.
Yeah. And Reagan was a union leader at one point.
And nobody is an 'open Marxist.' That doesn't even make any real sense.
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Your kids/family/country aren't a possession and neither is your wealth
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Really? He was a member of the socialist party as a young one and all the class mates who said he was an open marxist.
What you Americans call socialist and marxist is what we call at least moderate right wing... ;D
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What you Americans call socialist and marxist is what we call at least moderate right wing... ;D
Well, the GOP uses those terms because in America they are politically expedient and incendiary.
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Well, the GOP uses those terms because in America they are politically expedient and incendiary.
Right - because the leftists in this country are the paragons of virtue, maturity, decency, and intelligent debate. ::) ::)
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Right - because the leftists in this country are the paragons of virtue, maturity, decency, and intelligent debate. ::) ::)
I'm not a left voter in Holland, but for American standards I would be hanged by mr McCartey.. ;D
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Right - because the leftists in this country are the paragons of virtue, maturity, decency, and intelligent debate. ::) ::)
No, they lean to the delusional, not the irrational.
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this thread is so deppressive, damn! socialism sucks, it's true... makes me almost want a new world order with an "equilibrium" type of societys...
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I'm not a left voter in Holland, but for American standards I would be hanged by mr McCartey.. ;D
McCarthy!? Wow. That's a blast from the past, but not entirely inappropriate.
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this thread is so deppressive, damn! socialism sucks, it's true... makes me almost want a new world order with an "equilibrium" type of societys...
But "the law of the jungle" sounds very getbig..... :D
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But "the law of the jungle" sounds very getbig..... :D
it may sound like it, yes :P
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Two different points of view, here in Europe barry soetoro is not considered left wing by any means.
However here right wing consider me left wing and left wing consider me extreme right wing.
The difference is americans and europeans consider left or right from different points of view; social, economic, military...etc
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The whole Left Right stuff is not appropiate any more. There's economic left/right and non-material left/right. Maybe progressive/conservative is better.
Myself I'm economically a little bit right of the middle and non-material very left wing....
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The whole Left Right stuff is not appropiate any more. There's economic left/right and non-material left/right. Maybe progressive/conservative is better.
Myself I'm economically a little bit right of the middle and non-material very left wing....
You sound like a Communist.
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i go with the golden middle road, allways.
but for some reason if one doesn't want to take a stand to governments games you're a bad person... in that case I'm an evil person. "no you can't just live your life, you need to have the free will to follow us willingly"
ehhh :D
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Won't take too long and the "free" money flow will stop.
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Why the hell do you Americans consider Obama a socialist..? For Dutch (and most European) standard he's still very rightwing..... >:(
if FOX news and radio hosts say it enough, they repeat it.
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Your boy Obama
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"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.."
-- Winston Churchill
These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read: Unfortunately, most voters don't know this.
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them; and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
I vote for coach!! AWESOME SHIT