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6 in 10 Catholics disapprove of Obama byPaul Bedard
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/6-10-catholics-disapprove-obama/374661
There goes the Catholic vote. Nearly four years after President Obama won 54 percent of Catholic voters, their support has plummeted to just 40 percent in the first poll conducted after he imposed a new birth control mandate on employers, including Catholic agencies.
In a new Rasmussen poll, 59 percent of Catholics now disapprove of the president's job. Rasmussen reports that 44 percent strongly disapprove. About 40 percent at least somewhat approve of Obama's job.
"Catholics strongly disapprove of the job President Obama is doing as the debate continues over his administration's new policy forcing Catholic institutions to pay for contraception they morally oppose," the pollster said in releasing his new survey. He added that while Obama's approval rating in other groups has improved, among Catholics it has remained stagnant.
Washington Secrets reported earlier that the president's controversial insurance mandated, rejected by Catholic bishops, was uniting Catholics politically, something rarely done by a politician or his policies.
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the catholics have not changed since the pill mandate,article misleading,so what's new
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I've said it a thousand times before and I will say it a thousand time more, Obama's whole agenda was to PURPOSELY destroy this country and it's constitution. There is absolutely no way to deny it nor defend it.
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well you must be right if you said it a 1000 times :D
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well you must be right if you said it a 1000 times :D
Are you actually going to sit there with a straight face and tell me he isn't? If he's not please explain. In normal reasoning not lib reasoning.
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PURPOSELY destroy this country ,how ???
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I've said it a thousand times before and I will say it a thousand time more, Obama's whole agenda was to PURPOSELY destroy this country and it's constitution. There is absolutely no way to deny it nor defend it.
Im begining to feel its less like intentional destruction than it is shift the country into his ideological view. (Which he actually said when he ran, but I guess people misinterpereted what he was saying.)
Everything he does is about expanding the governments role and control on the population, taking the wealth and allowing the government to dictate who gets what and how much. Look at his knew budget - raising taxes and cutting military jobs to pay for more of his expansive government and green energy bullshit.
I think his plan is for the population to look to the government not as a governing body - but as a means of livelyhood. He imagines the government being the father figure that hands you your weekly allownace and sternly tells you what you can and cant do, because its whats best for you.
Hes stated before he doesnt believe citizens are capable of making the right choices and that the government has to manipulate things (like prices on gas guzzlers to "point" people into buying hybrids ::)) in order to nudge the population into making the right "choices". And this is his fundamental flaw - that he believes that he has to steer our choices in his direction. Which is totally against what this country was founded upon.
People made a massive mistake putting an untested ideological zealot into office just because "he wasnt Bush".
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Im begining to feel its less like intentional destruction than it is shift the country into his ideological view. (Which he actually said when he ran, but I guess people misinterpereted what he was saying.)
Everything he does is about expanding the governments role and control on the population, taking the wealth and allowing the government to dictate who gets what and how much. Look at his knew budget - raising taxes and cutting military jobs to pay for more of his expansive government and green energy bullshit.
I think his plan is for the population to look to the government not as a governing body - but as a means of livelyhood. He imagines the government being the father figure that hands you your weekly allownace and sternly tells you what you can and cant do, because its whats best for you.
Hes stated before he doesnt believe citizens are capable of making the right choices and that the government has to manipulate things (like prices on gas guzzlers to "point" people into buying hybrids ::)) in order to nudge the population into making the right "choices". And this is his fundamental flaw - that he believes that he has to steer our choices in his direction. Which is totally against what this country was founded upon.
People made a massive mistake putting an untested ideological zealot into office just because "he wasnt Bush".
IMO, this is purposely making an attempt to destroy the country. Tear it down section by section having the people depend on the government more and more then rebuild it to full blown socialism. I'm not talking like socialism as you see it in Canada or Europe but radical socialism teetering on communism such as Cuba or Venezuela. He is infiltrating almost every entity from religion, to schools to business and beyond. He's sees it's failing in the European countries and is still trying to convert this country. Dude needs to go and frankly at this point i don't care how.
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IMO, this is purposely making an attempt to destroy the country. Tear it down section by section having the people depend on the government more and more then rebuild it to full blown socialism. I'm not talking like socialism as you see it in Canada or Europe but radical socialism teetering on communism such as Cuba or Venezuela. He is infiltrating almost every entity from religion, to schools to business and beyond. He's sees it's failing in the European countries and is still trying to convert this country. Dude needs to go and frankly at this point i don't care how.
I agree with this.
Obama is not shaping this country into a mild socialism like Canada - he is flat out trying to force his ideology on the people with his slick talking "fairness" crap.
If we gave him ultimate power -I feel he would literally take every penny from people so that some government "fairness" progroam can turn around and give it back so that everyone gets recieves their "fair share".
At least, thats how it appears to me after reading everything hes said.
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Obama is attacking the Church not over BC, but to set the pecedent that the govt is the ultimate source of teachings and direction, not anything else.
This communist traitor and ghetto pimp ias trying to set himself up as supreme dictator vs a constitutionally restrained 1/3 part of the govt. whose job is to enforce laws, not remake society into what he wants.
Frankly, he has all the charachter traits of mussolini and hitler in his question and lust for unbridled power.
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Obama is attacking the Church not over BC, but to set the pecedent that the govt is the ultimate source of teachings and direction, not anything else.
where do you come up with this st#t,i thought beck was off the air
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Obama is attacking the Church not over BC, but to set the pecedent that the govt is the ultimate source of teachings and direction, not anything else.
where do you come up with this st#t,i thought beck was off the air
So far I haven't seen anything from you that would refute my post. I do see you repeating what 333 said with no rebuttal of substance.
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PURPOSELY destroy this country ,how ???
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By pursuing policies that have only one possible outcome - COLLAPSE!
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The Catholic vote should not go to Santorum... the ONLY candidate who agrees with the Vatican's pro-life and anti-war stance is Ron Paul.
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most beleive the economy is improving,slightly but improving. so obama must have fu#ked up ;D
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The Catholic vote should not go to Santorum... the ONLY candidate who agrees with the Vatican's pro-life and anti-war stance is Ron Paul.
And again - where was ron paul on the mandate and assault on catholics by obama? Barely a peep. Ron Paul's campaigning style is beyond absurd. He should have been front an center attacking obama on this.
you can only blame the voters so much when one of the candidates refuses to act like he is actively engaged in day to day matters that are the subject of the 24/7 news cycle.
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most beleive the economy is improving,slightly but improving. so obama must have fu#ked up ;D
Gallup disagrees with you. Of course those like yourself who get spoon fed crap from MSNBC and other leftist outlets believe what obama tells you, but most thinking people realize the truth.
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Read my post. Thats just a small outline. You know exactly what I'm referring to. You're posting like TA.
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most beleive the economy is improving,slightly but improving. so obama must have fu#ked up ;D
Dude, it was bound to happen no matter who was in office. You want to give credit when the economy starts to improve but put the blame on someone else when it takes a shit. Beside's I'm not talking about that, I'm talking Obama wanting to take over the private sector and everything else.
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And again - where was ron paul on the mandate and assault on catholics by obama? Barely a peep. Ron Paul's campaigning style is beyond absurd. He should have been front an center attacking obama on this.
you can only blame the voters so much when one of the candidates refuses to act like he is actively engaged in day to day matters that are the subject of the 24/7 news cycle.
Gallup disagrees with you. Of course those like yourself who get spoon fed crap from MSNBC and other leftist outlets believe what obama tells you, but most thinking people realize the truth.
ooookkk the thinking people like yourself that call everyone that doesn't agree with them,a communist marxist treaitor and neo-islamist sleeper cell POTUS like thugbama :D
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And again - where was ron paul on the mand
ate and assault on catholics by obama? Barely a peep. Ron Paul's campaigning style is beyond absurd. He should have been front an center attacking obama on this.
you can only blame the voters so much when one of the candidates refuses to act like he is actively engaged in day to day matters that are the subject of the 24/7 news cycle.
Could be he's trying not to alienate any potential voters yet.
Paul has slowly been becoming more agressive. I get the feeling he's been hanging back, acting like the sane, reserved intelligent man he is (trying to minimize the ability for people to call him nuts) until its down to just him and romney. Paul doesn't have to make shit up, if he was to have a 1v1 debate with Romney on the issuesy, he'd destroy him. Hard.
Paul hasnt needed to go on the offensive yet. And he's certainly not hurting public perception of him by hanging back and letting the others annihilate each other.
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Read my post. Thats just a small outline. You know exactly what I'm referring to. You're posting like TA.
tell us
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tell us
Lets start with the latest with him imposing forcing to pay for contraception in the catholic community when it's within their right to refuse it. I have to back to work but later I have a full page of bullshit I can post.
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tell us
ENGAGING IN POLICIES THAT WILL MAKE US LIKE GREECE. DO YOU NOT SEE THIS?
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Lets start with the latest with him imposing forcing to pay for contraception in the catholic community when it's within their right to refuse it.
while i agree with the church here..
I worry about what happens when those in the 'muslim community' are allowed preferential treatment.
unreal that when we're seeing sharia law popping up in counties and towns around america - it will be BECAUSE of all these exceptions made for one church.
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while i agree with the church here..
I worry about what happens when those in the 'muslim community' are allowed preferential treatment.
unreal that when we're seeing sharia law popping up in counties and towns around america - it will be BECAUSE of all these exceptions made for one church.
IF THE GOVERNMENT WERE NOT FORCING ANYONE TO PURCHASE THINGS IT DID NOT WANT TO, WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
CAPICHE?
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IF THE GOVERNMENT WERE NOT FORCING ANYONE TO PURCHASE THINGS IT DID NOT WANT TO, WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
CAPICHE?
well, it's a part of life. my govt forces me to buy a license and insurance to drive. I can't buy a house without a shitload of paperwork. If i'm an employer, there's a ton of things i have to pay for.
you're talking 'we should overhaul the entire system and restructure living costs for 310 million people'
That's awesome, but that's not realisitc for something we're gonna fix in this lifetime, unfortunately.
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well, it's a part of life. my govt forces me to buy a license and insurance to drive. I can't buy a house without a shitload of paperwork. If i'm an employer, there's a ton of things i have to pay for.
you're talking 'we should overhaul the entire system and restructure living costs for 310 million people'
That's awesome, but that's not realisitc for something we're gonna fix in this lifetime, unfortunately.
Huh? And you have the balls to call yourself a libertarian? What you just advocated is fascism and govt fiat and tyranny.
BTW - Ron Paul disagrees with you on this. No wonder you stayed home.
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Huh? And you have the balls to call yourself a libertarian? What you just advocated is fascism and govt fiat and tyranny.
BTW - Ron Paul disagrees with you on this. No wonder you stayed home.
no, i didn't advocate anything. it's part of life.
I don't advocate death, taxes, and allergies... but they're part of life.
Amazing that you equate accepting reality with endorsing everything about it.
I accept it's a shitty system, and that nobody viable in this race will change it. So I don't dwell upon "we've gotta changge the whole system, mannnn".
Rather, I try to work within the contraints of the reality of this situation.
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no, i didn't advocate anything. it's part of life.
I don't advocate death, taxes, and allergies... but they're part of life.
Amazing that you equate accepting reality with endorsing everything about it.
I accept it's a shitty system, and that nobody viable in this race will change it. So I don't dwell upon "we've gotta changge the whole system, mannnn".
Rather, I try to work within the contraints of the reality of this situation.
fail. Just say you want the govt and obama to run your life and get over with it.
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fail. Just say you want the govt and obama to run your life and get over with it.
i'd love it if we could all drive without car insurance or drivers license. The govt forces us to buy those. agreed?
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no, i didn't advocate anything. it's part of life.
I don't advocate death, taxes, and allergies... but they're part of life.
Amazing that you equate accepting reality with endorsing everything about it.
I accept it's a shitty system, and that nobody viable in this race will change it. So I don't dwell upon "we've gotta changge the whole system, mannnn".
Rather, I try to work within the contraints of the reality of this situation.
This may be true, but your posts contradict what youre saying here.
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i'd love it if we could all drive without car insurance or drivers license. The govt forces us to buy those. agreed?
You are not forced to drive! YOU HAVE THE CHOICE NOT TO DO SO IF YOU DONT LIKE!
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you can accept the CONSTRAINTS and try to succeed within them.
I can accept i can't drive a car, buy a sandwich, or rent a car/house/skateboard without required paid govt paperwork.
then i try to do well within that system.
unless 33 opposes ALL of the req'd govt spending, it's poor form to say "I'm okay with the govt requiring these 50 things, but I'm totally against this one..."
If you accept getting a license to drive, you've already submitted.
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You are not forced to drive! YOU HAVE THE CHOICE NOT TO DO SO IF YOU DONT LIKE!
are you saying employers are FORCED to hire people? They have the choice not to open a business, right? Once you decide to open a biz, you have to play by the govt's shitty rules.
same if you wannt drive - you play by the shitty rules of the DMV.
same if you want to so most things - ID, SS card, etc.
you want to fight the system. I see it as something that's been here 250 years and ain't changing for you.
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you can accept the CONSTRAINTS and try to succeed within them.
I can accept i can't drive a car, buy a sandwich, or rent a car/house/skateboard without required paid govt paperwork.
then i try to do well within that system.
unless 33 opposes ALL of the req'd govt spending, it's poor form to say "I'm okay with the govt requiring these 50 things, but I'm totally against this one..."
If you accept getting a license to drive, you've already submitted.
Not really, considering the government is trying to set a precendent dealing with the right to practice religious beliefs.
This isnt another "you have to pay us 50c tax for every dollar you make cause were the government" deal -
Its a "We dont care what youre religious beliefs are, you have to offer BC (which ISNT something people require for healthy living) for free for your employees."
The government is basically telling a religious organization that they HAVE TO OFFER something that isnt a basic human need, and which flies in the face of their beliefs. And why? When they can go anywhere else and get it for practically nothing?
This reeks of a power struggle to me.
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are you saying employers are FORCED to hire people? They have the choice not to open a business, right? Once you decide to open a biz, you have to play by the govt's shitty rules.
same if you wannt drive - you play by the shitty rules of the DMV.
same if you want to so most things - ID, SS card, etc.
you want to fight the system. I see it as something that's been here 250 years and ain't changing for you.
You really are unbelievable. You are no different than someone with a slave mentality. Just let the govt and obama your life right?
Like i said - you did not forget anything two weeks ago - you are voting for Obama and probably already a monthly contributor.
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but what happens when an amish employer says he doesn't believe in electricity, and makes employees work in the heat?
what if an employer is muslim and requires female employees to wear that headgear?
IMO, it's a slippery slope. Once you allow an employer to judge what is "required for healthy living" as you put it... it's slippery!
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but what happens when an amish employer says he doesn't believe in electricity, and makes employees work in the heat?
what if an employer is muslim and requires female employees to wear that headgear?
IMO, it's a slippery slope. Once you allow an employer to judge what is "required for healthy living" as you put it... it's slippery!
Guess what. If you don't want a job then don't take it.
The government has no right to force you to employ someone against your own will. That is the height of tyranny.
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but what happens when an amish employer says he doesn't believe in electricity, and makes employees work in the heat?
what if an employer is muslim and requires female employees to wear that headgear?
IMO, it's a slippery slope. Once you allow an employer to judge what is "required for healthy living" as you put it... it's slippery!
Fine by me! You dont have to work somewhere if you dont like! If you go work for the Catholic Church, dont you think its reasoble that they will be different than if you work for NOW or planned parenthood?
Again - employers should have just as much rights as employees, if not more.
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Guess what. If you don't want a job then don't take it.
The government has no right to force you to employ someone against your own will. That is the height of tyranny.
the govt does it with hiring quotas, don't they?
and you're saying it's OKAY if some arab dude buys your employer tomorrow and forces you to wear an al-jazeera t-shirt all day?
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the govt does it with hiring quotas, don't they?
and you're saying it's OKAY if some arab dude buys your employer tomorrow and forces you to wear an al-jazeera t-shirt all day?
Yes! And when everyone quits and they collapse from within, they will get what they deserve.
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Fine by me! You dont have to work somewhere if you dont like! If you go work for the Catholic Church, dont you think its reasoble that they will be different than if you work for NOW or planned parenthood?
Again - employers should have just as much rights as employees, if not more.
I dunno, I think if your boss (if you had one) said you had to wear this "Obama 2012" headband to court for the next year, because it didn't violate what was needed for healthy living - because it 'met his religious requirements to vote liberal"..... you'd be pretty upset.
it's easy to say 'just quit!' but what if you need that job?
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the govt does it with hiring quotas, don't they?
and you're saying it's OKAY if some arab dude buys your employer tomorrow and forces you to wear an al-jazeera t-shirt all day?
Hahahaha, sure, fine by me. That's a really, really bad business decision, but if they do that all I can do is stand back and watch. I certainly won't steal their money or force them to "employ" me simply because I disagree with the way they run their business.
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Yes! And when everyone quits and they collapse from within, they will get what they deserve.
the emplyer has the power in this economy.
i just hate giving religion this kind of blanket power. I dont know why yall don't realize it's the doorway to sharia law. And it is the lib complaining about it!
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Hahahaha, sure, fine by me. That's a really, really bad business decision, but if they do that all I can do is stand back and watch. I certainly won't steal their money or force them to "employ" me simply because I disagree with the way they run their business.
man, the minute you let the employer start dictating shit like this on religious basis...
wait til your boss reads the koran over the loudspeaker all day. wait til something like that happens.
letting religion into lawmaking is nuts. just crazy.
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the emplyer has the power in this economy.
i just hate giving religion this kind of blanket power. I dont know why yall don't realize it's the doorway to sharia law. And it is the lib complaining about it!
Oh please.
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man, the minute you let the employer start dictating shit like this on religious basis...
wait til your boss reads the koran over the loudspeaker all day. wait til something like that happens.
letting religion into lawmaking is nuts. just crazy.
I subject my assistant to slayer, megadeth, black sabbath, and satanic music.
if she cant deal with it, she will quit,
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man, the minute you let the employer start dictating shit like this on religious basis...
wait til your boss reads the koran over the loudspeaker all day. wait til something like that happens.
letting religion into lawmaking is nuts. just crazy.
How is allowing employers to freely choose how to spend their own money the same AT ALL to "letting religion into lawmaking" ???
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I subject my assistant to slayer, megadeth, black sabbath, and satanic music.
if she cant deal with it, she will quit,
hey man, let's give it 5 years. once this legal precedent is set based upon christian law, the others will apply.
congressmen already say they'll back every religion equally as required by law. Dangerous!
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but what happens when an amish employer says he doesn't believe in electricity, and makes employees work in the heat?
what if an employer is muslim and requires female employees to wear that headgear?
IMO, it's a slippery slope. Once you allow an employer to judge what is "required for healthy living" as you put it... it's slippery!
Yeah, its a slippery slope. For the government. Tell you what - I want electricity, I dont go trying to get a job with the AMISH and then force them to change their business practices to my wants.
I get to choose (for the most part) where I work. Its a two way system. And the government should NOT tell everyone that they HAVE to offer something. Thats bullshit. When I go looking for a job, I look at the benefits they offer. Many times, you can tell how much the company cares about the employees by the benefits and the pay.
I would not want to go to work for someone who is only offering something because they have to.
And thats just from my perspective.
From a constitutional perspective, this is total bullshit. This is not about treating employees fairly. Theyre not being denied anything or being forced to work under shitty conditions. They can go get BC fucking anywhere. Why in the holy fuck should a place that doesnt believe in it be forced to offer it? Especially when it contradicts with their freedom to practice religion?
You need to stop arguing just because you try and play the "devils advocate" role, it really makes you look like a moron.
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How is allowing employers to freely choose how to spend their own money the same AT ALL to "letting religion into lawmaking" ???
wait til some not-so-obscure religion says they disagree with all forms of healthcare outside of praying.
and they refuse to offer any kind of beneifts to their full time employees who have been there for 20 years.
What then?
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i'm fine with not giving their asses BC - but don't do it because of RELIGION.
do it because socialized medicine is BS. But not because of some holy book.
cause there are holy books that say all sorts of shit. and the minute you let one do it...
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wait til some not-so-obscure religion says they disagree with all forms of healthcare outside of praying.
and they refuse to offer any kind of beneifts to their full time employees who have been there for 20 years.
What then?
IF that business does not have a pre-existing LEGAL and CONTRACTUAL obligation to provide health benefits, then those employees will be laughing their asses off when they get hired by another employer while watching their old employer go out of business.
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IF that business does not have a pre-existing LEGAL and CONTRACTUAL obligation to provide health benefits, then those employees will be laughing their asses off when they get hired by another employer while watching their old employer go out of business.
actually - if the Ahole company doesn't have to pay healthcare costs, they will make a greater profit. so i'm not sure they'd go out of business. Their employees would cost 60% less.
I think you just created evidence that using religion to shield from healthcare will lead to companies possibly making MORE money?
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i'm fine with not giving their asses BC - but don't do it because of RELIGION.
do it because socialized medicine is BS. But not because of some holy book.
cause there are holy books that say all sorts of shit. and the minute you let one do it...
WTF?!
Its about our constitutional right to practice freedom of religion. Its not about their religion. Its about our RIGHTS and LIBERTIES. 1st they take away your right to practice your religion (or lack thereof) the way you see fit. Then they take away your rights to read certain books. Then they take away your freedom of speech. How do you make this about their religion? It wouldnt matter if they were catholic, muslim, or fucking hindu, the government should NOT mandate what that business/org can offer, ESPECIALLY when it violates one of the fundamental liberties this country was founded on.
Just as the government should not mandate what health insurance you buy, how much coverage, and from whom.
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actually - if the Ahole company doesn't have to pay healthcare costs, they will make a greater profit. so i'm not sure they'd go out of business. Their employees would cost 60% less.
You receive 60% less in compensation from your employer. Someone else is willing to hire you for that 60% more (actually would be 250% of your current compensation, but whatever). What do you do? What happens to your employer?
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wait til some not-so-obscure religion says they disagree with all forms of healthcare outside of praying.
and they refuse to offer any kind of beneifts to their full time employees who have been there for 20 years.
What then?
Youre being an idiot. If they dont offer healtcare, guess what - people are going to take other jobs.
The 20 years bit is stupid - if they were hired with a contract, and they suddenly decided they were going to can health insurance - well its not even worth discussing.
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You receive 60% less in compensation from your employer. Someone else is willing to hire you for that 60% more (actually would be 250% of your current compensation, but whatever). What do you do? What happens to your employer?
i meant (i vaguely recall) that the admin/healthcare costs of an employee are something like 60% of his/her salary?
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i meant (i vaguely recall) that the admin/healthcare costs of an employee are something like 60% of his/her salary?
Sure, and if the employee stops getting health benefits without a corresponding increase in his/her salary or wage rate, do you really think that employee will stay at that company if they can get a better deal at a competitor?
The fact of the matter is that you're arguing about a non-issue. And, of course, your solution to that non-issue is using society's single most dangerous tool, government, to correct this perceived problem. And once you start going down that path all sorts of ridiculous things start happening.
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240, you need to give up on your liberatarian bullshit. You are NOT conservative OR liberatarian by any stretch of the imagination.
Everything you have said in this thread is straight out of Obamas mouth.
I cant tell if you actually believe your own lies or if youre just playing devils advocate - but whatever it is, it sure makes you look like a fucking idiot.
Youre basically saying you feel its ok for the government to tell business owners how to run their business. And that every business has to offer the same benefits. Which is a joke.
I know as a citizen, I wouldnt WANT every job to offer the same benefits. Its telling to how a company is going to treat their employee's by the kind of benefits they offer.
But I guess you wouldnt know that, since your job was to build websites.
How would you feel if the government told you that since your building a website for someone, that you have to offer them copies of an expensive website editing program with every site you built, so that they can edit it on their own after youre done with the initial build? (And that you had to pay for every copy of that program out of your own profits)
How would you feel about that?
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i'm saying that i'm FINE with the govt not giving ANY healthcare benefits for ANY employees...
just don't base who has to/doesn't have to, upon what version of the holy book they read.
Make it so that NO EMPLOYER IN AMERICA has to provide BC. I"m cool with that.
But i'm NOT cool with company A not having that cost because they swing that holy bible, while company B paying for it, because they don't.
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My opinion is based on fairness - the MINUTE you let 'certain' religions get away with shit... you open the door for crazy abuse.
repub congress can put up a law saying " to save money, ZERO AMERICAN FIRMS have to provide BC to employees". I'm cool with that. Get a repub senate in 2013 and push it thru if the dems hate on it now.
But the m*****fcking fact that "my religion says..." ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I hate that shit. Keep your religion at home. Does NOT belong in lawmaking.
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i'm saying that i'm FINE with the govt not giving ANY healthcare benefits for ANY employees...
just don't base who has to/doesn't have to, upon what version of the holy book they read.
Make it so that NO EMPLOYER IN AMERICA has to provide BC. I"m cool with that.
But i'm NOT cool with company A not having that cost because they swing that holy bible, while company B paying for it, because they don't.
hhhhhhmmmmmmm - never remember you objecting to the unions getting waivers.
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hhhhhhmmmmmmm - never remember you objecting to the unions getting waivers.
so before you make this an 'attack 240' derailment... you agree with me?
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My opinion is based on fairness - the MINUTE you let 'certain' religions get away with shit... you open the door for crazy abuse.
repub congress can put up a law saying " to save money, ZERO AMERICAN FIRMS have to provide BC to employees". I'm cool with that. Get a repub senate in 2013 and push it thru if the dems hate on it now.
But the m*****fcking fact that "my religion says..." ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I hate that shit. Keep your religion at home. Does NOT belong in lawmaking.
This all came about because obama, despite the pleadings of his own staff not to do what he did, lied to the Bishop.
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so before you make this an 'attack 240' derailment... you agree with me?
I said very clearly my outrage over this has nothing to do with religion, but the fact that ANY EMPLOYER is forced to provide things as determined by the govt. The fact that it came about due to a riff w the church is just a matter of convenience for the larger battle here.
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the were running 3 losers so we have to cover it up with this fake outrage thread still going ::) ;D
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This all came about because obama, despite the pleadings of his own staff not to do what he did, lied to the Bishop.
oh boy, i am SO not concerned about what obama and any religious leader discuss. to me, religion has zero place in govt. religious leaders have zero business agreeing to anything with the prez. i went to religious school for 10 years. it's a fear and guilt-driven business, that's it.
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oh boy, i am SO not concerned about what obama and any religious leader discuss. to me, religion has zero place in govt. religious leaders have zero business agreeing to anything with the prez. i went to religious school for 10 years. it's a fear and guilt-driven business, that's it.
They called the Bishop in first moron.
And guess what - when you get socialism w no choice like you keep saying you want, and how thugbama wants, this shit happens.
obama can take his healthscam bill and shove it up his ass.
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i think he's shoving it up yours ;D
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i think he's shoving it up yours ;D
no - the nations' who does not want this at all! This health care bill is a tyrannical impeachment worthy scam on this nation.
Only a radical communist leftist like yourself would support this.
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My opinion is based on fairness - the MINUTE you let 'certain' religions get away with shit... you open the door for crazy abuse.
repub congress can put up a law saying " to save money, ZERO AMERICAN FIRMS have to provide BC to employees". I'm cool with that. Get a repub senate in 2013 and push it thru if the dems hate on it now.
But the m*****fcking fact that "my religion says..." ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I hate that shit. Keep your religion at home. Does NOT belong in lawmaking.
Where the fuck do you get that only religious institutions should be exempt?
They shouldnt be able to mandate ANY business has to offer BC - but they sure as shit shouldnt be able to mandate religious orgs that have constitutional protection to mandate something that is against the basic right to practice religion.
Youre getting this whole "fairness" attitude that Obama is always preaching.
The country has certain constitutional liberties that it was founded on that the gov has been shitting all over. One of the biggest ones is the right to practice your religious beliefs as you see fit. The gov should not just be able to say, fuck your religion, you do this anyway. If they want to do that, they might as well just go edit the whole "right to freedom of religion" out of the constitution. Or put an asterik that says *Gov has the right to modify your religious beliefs in order to comply with mandates*
Doesnt sound to great, does it?/
This is not a strictly religious issue, its larger than that, and your pathetic attempts to make it about religion only are sad and idiotic. This is about government forcing its will against the very basis of the constitutional rights the country was founded on.
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oh boy, i am SO not concerned about what obama and any religious leader discuss. to me, religion has zero place in govt. religious leaders have zero business agreeing to anything with the prez. i went to religious school for 10 years. it's a fear and guilt-driven business, that's it.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT RELIGION YOU GODDAMN IDIOT. Stop trying to make it a religious issue -
Its about the government violating basic constitutional rights!!
Its a church now, next time itll be about what you can and cant say on your websites. Then itll be how much you can charge for your websites. Then itll be how much the government decides to give you for building your web sites.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Its like that poem
1st they came for the jews, and I said nothing cause I wasnt a jew
Then they came for the catholics, and I said nothing, cause I wasnt a catholic.
Then they came for the protestants, and I said nothing.
Then they came for me, and no one said anything cause there was no one left.
Get it?
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THIS IS NOT ABOUT RELIGION YOU GODDAMN IDIOT. Stop trying to make it a religious issue -
Its about the government violating basic constitutional rights!!
Its a church now, next time itll be about what you can and cant say on your websites. Then itll be how much you can charge for your websites. Then itll be how much the government decides to give you for building your web sites.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Its like that poem
1st they came for the jews, and I said nothing cause I wasnt a jew
Then they came for the catholics, and I said nothing, cause I wasnt a catholic.
Then they came for the protestants, and I said nothing.
Then they came for me, and no one said anything cause there was no one left.
Get it?
Nope - 240 will eat up anything from obama
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it's about were running 3 losers so we have to cover it up with this fake outrage