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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Arnold jr on February 16, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
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I call this the "Deluxe Edition" just because I suspect this will be disagreed with more than the first one, but it's still how I see it.
Myth: HGH is a waste if you're not surpassing 5iu's per day and you should be getting at least 8-10 if you want to see a true transformation.
Truth: For the average man, a mere 2iu per day over a long period of time will dramatically change his over all metabolic rate, and through that he is going to have a much better physique. As for any type of anabolic action, the bottom end will be 4iu per day, but if this is coupled with anabolic steroids and assuming the HGH isn't garbage it's going to transform your body. No, you're not going to be the next Ronnie Coleman or anywhere near top pro size and conditioning, but I think it's important to remember most people have absolutely no desire for that. At any rate, 4iu per day is enough to help you win any local show...you can win plenty of local shows without it if you're actually conditioned. If you're not a competitor and have no desire for that, for most men a 2-4iu per day range will be all they need to have the physique they desire.
Myth: There are better off-season steroids than Testosterone, Nandrolone, Trenbolone and Dbol.
Truth: There are no anabolic steroids of any kind that are better than these for true off-season growth. These four steroids represent the most powerful and potent mass burning steroids on earth...the form of Testosterone, Nandrolone and Trenbolone is of little consequence, all forms can work well. If you couple steroids like this with enough calories you'll grow; add in HGH for an extended period of time and you'll grow more with less fat accumulation; add in IGF-1 in a rotation fashion and then you'll really be doing something, but the IGF-1 truly has to be long-term for a substantial outcome of worth.
Myth: There are better steroids for cutting, specifically prepping for a bodybuilding show than Testosterone, Trenbolone and Equipoise.
Truth: There are no anabolic steroids of any kind that are better for bodybuilding prep than these three steroids. For most, one could easily transform themselves with these three only; actually, with just Test and Tren the transformation could be huge. By adding in the EQ, while this can have some nice conditioning effects to a degree, where this steroid really shines is in its ability to preserve tissue when under stress, i.e. contest dieting and training, and just as important increase muscular endurance substantially so you can get through it. Most will agree in-regards to Trenbolone, but I know several will disagree in-regards to Testosterone, even so, take two similar individuals and put them on the same plan in every way with the exception of one taking an adequate dose of Test and one low dosing or none at all (doesn't matter) and I guarantee you the first guy will beat the second every single time.
Myth: Cytomel (T-3) is going to cause you to lose muscle.
Truth: If you're not using anabolic steroids, then sure, you'll probably lose some muscle tissue since T-3 thrives on ATP and will pull it from wherever it needs it, but if you're supplementing with anabolic hormones and not HRT amounts there's no way on earth the Cytomel is going to cause you to lose muscle even at a substantial dose. Most any man can tolerate doses of 50-100mcg every day without muscle loss; some even more. The key is to start low with the dosing, just use enough and increment up 12.5-25mcg every few weeks as your body adapts. Granted, if you get insane with your doses or you jump up in dosing massively all at once, you very well may risk some tissue even with anabolic hormones in play.
Myth: There's an anabolic steroid out there that can transform your body dramatically in a week or two.
Truth: No such steroid exist, and if you find it you'll be a bazillionaire by the end of next week. Yes, you can make and notice changes in a fairly short period of time, and the leaner you are the more the results will stand out in a shorter period of time, but these radical transformations in a week or two people sometimes like to talk about, this is in your head.
Myth: PCT isn't necessary.
Truth: If you're staying on the majority of the year, then sure, PCT isn't necessary; this would actually cause undue stress to the body. But if you're going to be off for a few months it is very necessary if for no other reason than your overall health. If you come off for an extended period of time, while your natural testosterone levels will begin to increase it's going to be remarkably slow and of an insignificant nature for quite some time. If you implement a PCT phase, this will give you enough testosterone to function properly as your levels continue to increase. No, it's not going to increase your levels back to where they were before steroidal supplementation began, there's no PCT plan on earth that can do this, but it can help stave off a severe low testosterone condition and such a condition is very bad for your health. Testosterone is essential for not only muscle tissue and strength preservation, as well as our libido and sexual function, most are aware of this, but it also plays a massive role in-regards to our immune system, our mental function, energy levels, and overall general disposition. If you're going to be off for a long period of time, there's no logical reason to not implement a PCT plan.
Myth: Steroid suppliers sell SERM's and AI's as a means to trick you into paying more money.
Truth: No steroid supplier worth your attention is making any money on SERM's and AI's; not anything of significance or that even makes them worth the time of selling in-terms of profit. Quality suppliers sell SERM's and AI's in-order to garner your business so that you'll purchase steroids and other items from them; laugh at it if you want, but the truth is simple; it's nothing more than good business practice as it keeps the customer happy by providing one stop shopping.
Myth: Law enforcement doesn't care about personal possession.
Truth: It is true, law enforcement is far more concerned with suppliers than buyers, but how is in you think they get to the suppliers? Law enforcement will fry as many small fish as they can along the way if it will lead them to the big fish.
Myth: The steroid laws of the U.S. are just.
Truth: I've simply been thinking about this one a lot lately so I through it in here...I honestly cannot think of too many things that have trampled on personal liberty or that are as un-American as the steroid laws of the U.S. Food for thought, but as many feel the new health care legislation is a middle finger to personal liberty, what's interesting is many of those who pushed so hard for the new health care bill are the same ones who pushed for the steroid laws of the U.S., you know, people like Joe Biden, the father of the steroid laws of the U.S. Anyway, what's funny about the steroid laws, they allow the government to say whatever they want in-regards to what's good for us despite actual evidence...the same thing the new health care bill does. Anyway, yes I'm ranting, but this is an issue that's bothered me for a long time, but what's burns me even more is how the steroid using population handles it. This is largely a group made up of fairly well-educated people, largely upstanding citizens, and if there ever was a group that could do something about an unjust law this would be the one...but most people sit on their hands and do nothing and it absolutely drives me insane!
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Myth: There are better steroids for cutting, specifically prepping for a bodybuilding show than Testosterone, Trenbolone and Equipoise.
no dht derivatives ?
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truth ,,,, i cant find tren or eq in australia :'(
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Great post AJ...
cue the permabulkers on here to disagree that HGH less than 15ius a day is worthless, and HGH without insulin is a waste of money ::)
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Good post Arnold.
Myth: There's an anabolic steroid out there that can transform your body dramatically in a week or two.
Truth: No such steroid exist, and if you find it you'll be a bazillionaire by the end of next week. Yes, you can make and notice changes in a fairly short period of time, and the leaner you are the more the results will stand out in a shorter period of time, but these radical transformations in a week or two people sometimes like to talk about, this is in your head.
I concur. I have used everything there is and i never saw much from 1-2 weeks of using any compound. It blows my mind how guys are claiming to transform from a few shots of Tren or Primo. Actually Slin is the only compound that i felt results off of immediately.
Times have changed and everyone is an expert these days, but most people don't ever look at the big picture like you and I do. There are always exceptions to the rules, but after being around this stuff for over 10 years, i agree with almost everything you just wrote.
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Good post Arnold.
Myth: There's an anabolic steroid out there that can transform your body dramatically in a week or two.
Truth: No such steroid exist, and if you find it you'll be a bazillionaire by the end of next week. Yes, you can make and notice changes in a fairly short period of time, and the leaner you are the more the results will stand out in a shorter period of time, but these radical transformations in a week or two people sometimes like to talk about, this is in your head.
I concur. I have used everything there is and i never saw much from 1-2 weeks of using any compound. It blows my mind how guys are claiming to transform from a few shots of Tren or Primo. Actually Slin is the only compound that i felt results off of immediately.
Times have changed and everyone is an expert these days, but most people don't ever look at the big picture like you and I do. There are always exceptions to the rules, but after being around this stuff for over 10 years, i agree with almost everything you just wrote.
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what about superdrol
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what about superdrol
Never used it.
I know guys swear by it, but the only oral i have used that caused dramatic changes was Anadrol.
Gaining 10 pounds of water in a few weeks doesn't exactly qualify as a body transformation IMO.
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Myth- Ephedrine is anabolic
Read this somewhere
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SUPERDROL WAS THE MOST POTENT EVER.
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SUPERDROL WAS THE MOST POTENT EVER.
Superdrol isn't really lean mass gain. It fills the muscles up with water.
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Myth: There are better steroids for cutting, specifically prepping for a bodybuilding show than Testosterone, Trenbolone and Equipoise.
no dht derivatives ?
Sure, there are great DHT compounds for cutting, the steroids I mentioned are simply what the foundation of cutting cycles should look like IMO, DHT compounds would be additional items if desired.
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Myth: There are better steroids for cutting, specifically prepping for a bodybuilding show than Testosterone, Trenbolone and Equipoise.
Truth: There are no anabolic steroids of any kind that are better for bodybuilding prep than these three steroids. For most, one could easily transform themselves with these three only; actually, with just Test and Tren the transformation could be huge. By adding in the EQ, while this can have some nice conditioning effects to a degree, where this steroid really shines is in its ability to preserve tissue when under stress, i.e. contest dieting and training, and just as important increase muscular endurance substantially so you can get through it. Most will agree in-regards to Trenbolone, but I know several will disagree in-regards to Testosterone, even so, take two similar individuals and put them on the same plan in every way with the exception of one taking an adequate dose of Test and one low dosing or none at all (doesn't matter) and I guarantee you the first guy will beat the second every single time.
Winstrol, anavar, masteron??? I'm pretty sure I read that anavar actually does burn adipose tissue? Correct me if I'm wrong....
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Winstrol, anavar, masteron??? I'm pretty sure I read that anavar actually does burn adipose tissue? Correct me if I'm wrong....
At what dose? From what I understand it is an AMAZING drug BUT only when
1. It is legit. This is a big issue because the raws are so fucking expensive you have to question the guys selling 50 pills for $50.
2. You take it in high doses like 100 mg a day, but who has that cash? Might as well spend your money on GH.
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Winstrol, anavar, masteron??? I'm pretty sure I read that anavar actually does burn adipose tissue? Correct me if I'm wrong....
All anabolic steroids can promote fat-loss, but you're right, Winstrol is one of the few that can significantly promote fat-loss in a direct manner. Not near the rate of Trenbolone, but still significant. Anavar and Masteron, they can help, but when it comes to direct fat-burning they're not in the same camp.
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WE'LL SEE...A PRO I TALK TO & STRANGO BOTH TOLD ME THE VAR KILLS THE BELLY FAT & GETS U VEINY.
DOSAGE IS ALL BASED ON SUPPLIER BUT MOST CASES 60-100mg.
I'LL USE 100MG OF TOP GRADE VAR FOR 12 WKS.
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Good post Arnold.
Myth: There's an anabolic steroid out there that can transform your body dramatically in a week or two.
Truth: No such steroid exist, and if you find it you'll be a bazillionaire by the end of next week. Yes, you can make and notice changes in a fairly short period of time, and the leaner you are the more the results will stand out in a shorter period of time, but these radical transformations in a week or two people sometimes like to talk about, this is in your head.
I concur. I have used everything there is and i never saw much from 1-2 weeks of using any compound. It blows my mind how guys are claiming to transform from a few shots of Tren or Primo. Actually Slin is the only compound that i felt results off of immediately.
Times have changed and everyone is an expert these days, but most people don't ever look at the big picture like you and I do. There are always exceptions to the rules, but after being around this stuff for over 10 years, i agree with almost everything you just wrote.
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trenbolona acatato ,, primobolana acatato ,, anything acatato ester = immediate changes to physiqe
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i try to refrain from teling anything about product becuae ti shoots the sells very high and some shady mother fuck scam filt make money over my word,, so i try not to mention product
it is just too much to go and fix arnold junior posting ,, it is too long for me to ,, you can read in the bible what i think about what he write,, in majority it is not corect,, especialy the law enforcment since i have direct contact ,, and also everything to do with the pct etc,, and also there is cutting drugs and ther is bulking drugs ,, with gh everything = cutting drugs ,,on gh ....you only grow lean ,, btu you can grow bloofy or grow solid....testoereona high doses wil get you to grow bloofy unless gh ismega dose...but primobolana acatato...will make you grow leannnn very noticable to the eye with the lines comingout nicely ...same for trenbolona especialy in combo with trenbolona
its just too much for me to right in this moment,,
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You havent been metioning equipona lately and i have a shitload of strngos eq :-X
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i try to refrain from teling anything about product becuae ti shoots the sells very high and some shady mother fuck scam filt make money over my word,, so i try not to mention product
it is just too much to go and fix arnold junior posting ,, it is too long for me to ,, you can read in the bible what i think about what he write,, in majority it is not corect,, especialy the law enforcment since i have direct contact ,, and also everything to do with the pct etc,, and also there is cutting drugs and ther is bulking drugs ,, with gh everything = cutting drugs ,,on gh ....you only grow lean ,, btu you can grow bloofy or grow solid....testoereona high doses wil get you to grow bloofy unless gh ismega dose...but primobolana acatato...will make you grow leannnn very noticable to the eye with the lines comingout nicely ...same for trenbolona especialy in combo with trenbolona
its just too much for me to right in this moment,,
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I'll give you this, you have a unique way with twisting my words. For example, I never said anything about there being cutting steroids or bulking steroids...for the most part there's no such thing, you can do all things with pretty well all steroids if all other things are right. Even so, you can maximize things by using certain steroids at certain times more so than at other times...that's all I was saying, and I listed the steroids I think are best for those purposes.
PCT, if you're going to come off for a long period of time, very long, your test levels will be pathetic...this is the truth. Run a PCT or don't, they're still going to be low but they'll be lower without. This isn't trying to trick people into doing something....it's just basic common sense...steroids suppress testosterone. After that, do what you want.
Law enforcement....I'm not sure what you're referring to there about me being wrong. Law enforcement gets to suppliers through buyers...that's how it's always gone.
As for everything else you said in your reply, none of it has anything to do with this thread or my OP in any way, so I'm not sure how to even comment on it.
Last thing, of all the things I mentioned in the OP, the last one is the one that's the most important to me, but as always, it's the one that will get the least attention. The most important one gets ignored. And please don't say you're working on it but can't say anymore....that's just annoying.
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I'll give you this, you have a unique way with twisting my words. For example, I never said anything about there being cutting steroids or bulking steroids...for the most part there's no such thing, you can do all things with pretty well all steroids if all other things are right. Even so, you can maximize things by using certain steroids at certain times more so than at other times...that's all I was saying, and I listed the steroids I think are best for those purposes.
PCT, if you're going to come off for a long period of time, very long, your test levels will be pathetic...this is the truth. Run a PCT or don't, they're still going to be low but they'll be lower without. This isn't trying to trick people into doing something....it's just basic common sense...steroids suppress testosterone. After that, do what you want.
Law enforcement....I'm not sure what you're referring to there about me being wrong. Law enforcement gets to suppliers through buyers...that's how it's always gone.
As for everything else you said in your reply, none of it has anything to do with this thread or my OP in any way, so I'm not sure how to even comment on it.
Last thing, of all the things I mentioned in the OP, the last one is the one that's the most important to me, but as always, it's the one that will get the least attention. The most important one gets ignored. And please don't say you're working on it but can't say anymore....that's just annoying.
its just impsible for me to respondto every peep,, read bible or ask elfs to explain ti for you ,, too many pms ,, too many things gh15 is obligated by ,, as simple as that
you may hav enot said there is cutting and bulking hormones,, I SAID THERE IS!,, pct is garbage no bodybuild come off ,, if threy do they end up in your situation...and your situation ws HORRID,, i just dont have time right in this mooment for this ,, mayb elater when i hav emore time
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its just impsible for me to respondto every peep,, read bible or ask elfs to explain ti for you ,, too many pms ,, too many things gh15 is obligated by ,, as simple as that
you may hav enot said there is cutting and bulking hormones,, I SAID THERE IS!,, pct is garbage no bodybuild come off ,, if threy do they end up in your situation...and your situation ws HORRID,, i just dont have time right in this mooment for this ,, mayb elater when i hav emore time
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True, no competitive bodybuilder who is competing for the long haul is going to come off for any length of time to justify the need for a PCT plan...this I agree with completely. However, not everyone who supplements is a competitive bodybuilder, and not everyone who supplements wants to stay on more than they're off...this represents the majority of those who use steroids. Whether it's beneficial to them or not is another argument, but most people only want to run one or two 12-16wk cycles a year, that's all they want, and if that's the case then it changes things a little bit.
And yes, my situation was horrible...that's true, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. That was the most miserable I've ever been in my life; in-fact, based on my readings the doctors said they weren't sure how I was even alive. People can call it whatever they like, they can laugh and scoff all they want, but I call it a miracle...the whole situation was horrid but I truly believe God granted me mercy in numerous ways through that whole situation.
As it stands now, I am very grateful to have come out of that horrific time period of my life. Of course, that means I've had to lay a lot of things aside I had no desire to do, but that's OK, there are far more important things in life than bodybuilding, which steroids are the best, which doses, how ripped and big we are etc. Again, laugh and scoff, but my main overall focus is ensuring I am a man of worth, that my actions have meaning and serve the purpose God has for me. Yes, I still have a massive interest in steroids, bodybuilding and things of that nature, but my approach is not what it once was. I make my living talking about steroids and bodybuilding, promoting steroid education...actual steroid education, not stuff like in this thread...things like this thread are just me sharing an opinion and life experiences. I see the steroid laws of the U.S. a direct affront to personal liberty, a direct infringement on the inalienable rights of man and I see them as a horrid open doorway to more infringements in a perfect way that flies under the radar simply because most don't care about steroids.
You've accused me on a couple occasions of possibly having an agenda, and you're right, I do. My agenda as it pertains to bodybuilding and steroids is twofold. First and foremost, steroid education, the truth about what these hormones are and the truth in-regards to how unjust the laws are that surround them. As for bodybuilding as a whole, that's a separate issue, but I suspect I'm rambling now so I'll leave it with that.
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yes but if you didnt walk to walk ...you cant talk the talk ,, you know what i mean? after readin one word of mine you know i been a walking pharmacy for many many years,, you can also tell easily how vast my hands on knowledge is ,, you can also tell im not gimick ,, and you can also tell i hav etotal control over internet bodybuild hormone for a reason,, and yes i talk total control not only 20 year old ,, even 40 year old come to me for conatant advice with FINANCIAL offers which i decline,,
what i say is very simple,, if i say here something its not because im bored,, its not because i fell like it,, i became a millioner from bodybuilding and bodybuild hormones! not selling them! T A K I N G them
abotu you i only kno one thing
busted with 7 k ampoles and over 2 k tablets, which SCREAMS big dealer ,, now you can erase this posting ...but this is fact,,
in the last 7 years you ever heard abotu anyting that hapen with me? bad good in the middle? no you have not,, why? because i know my profesion ,, i know it very well and i am contected into the highest places ,, this is not making up...this is the new thing in getbig...new gimick say you make up balonie...no this is not making up wanna be information ,,
i touched the olymous and out of kindness and later on cruisade i hav edecided to share it with bodybuilders,, i should be comended for it and my elfs should not be treatened ,, their accounts should not be hacked into,, and they should not be treatened by any means for revealing the truth,,
this is nto going to you but this is going to a group of fellas who know who they are,, LEAVE MY ELFS OUT OF IT! they should not cry to me that they are afraid to talk ,, few of them are worried and i hvae actualy 2 elfs in europe mia ,, if the fellas in australia and europe think i can not get to them...i hav ebig news to them ,, i can!
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True, no competitive bodybuilder who is competing for the long haul is going to come off for any length of time to justify the need for a PCT plan...this I agree with completely. However, not everyone who supplements is a competitive bodybuilder, and not everyone who supplements wants to stay on more than they're off...this represents the majority of those who use steroids. Whether it's beneficial to them or not is another argument, but most people only want to run one or two 12-16wk cycles a year, that's all they want, and if that's the case then it changes things a little bit.
And yes, my situation was horrible...that's true, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. That was the most miserable I've ever been in my life; in-fact, based on my readings the doctors said they weren't sure how I was even alive. People can call it whatever they like, they can laugh and scoff all they want, but I call it a miracle...the whole situation was horrid but I truly believe God granted me mercy in numerous ways through that whole situation.
As it stands now, I am very grateful to have come out of that horrific time period of my life. Of course, that means I've had to lay a lot of things aside I had no desire to do, but that's OK, there are far more important things in life than bodybuilding, which steroids are the best, which doses, how ripped and big we are etc. Again, laugh and scoff, but my main overall focus is ensuring I am a man of worth, that my actions have meaning and serve the purpose God has for me. Yes, I still have a massive interest in steroids, bodybuilding and things of that nature, but my approach is not what it once was. I make my living talking about steroids and bodybuilding, promoting steroid education...actual steroid education, not stuff like in this thread...things like this thread are just me sharing an opinion and life experiences. I see the steroid laws of the U.S. a direct affront to personal liberty, a direct infringement on the inalienable rights of man and I see them as a horrid open doorway to more infringements in a perfect way that flies under the radar simply because most don't care about steroids.
You've accused me on a couple occasions of possibly having an agenda, and you're right, I do. My agenda as it pertains to bodybuilding and steroids is twofold. First and foremost, steroid education, the truth about what these hormones are and the truth in-regards to how unjust the laws are that surround them. As for bodybuilding as a whole, that's a separate issue, but I suspect I'm rambling now so I'll leave it with that.
care to elaborate? is it public knowledge?or do you wish to not talk about it?
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STEROIDS ARE SERIOUS BUSINESS
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yes but if you didnt walk to walk ...you cant talk the talk ,, you know what i mean? after readin one word of mine you know i been a walking pharmacy for many many years,, you can also tell easily how vast my hands on knowledge is ,, you can also tell im not gimick ,, and you can also tell i hav etotal control over internet bodybuild hormone for a reason,, and yes i talk total control not only 20 year old ,, even 40 year old come to me for conatant advice with FINANCIAL offers which i decline,,
what i say is very simple,, if i say here something its not because im bored,, its not because i fell like it,, i became a millioner from bodybuilding and bodybuild hormones! not selling them! T A K I N G them
abotu you i only kno one thing
busted with 7 k ampoles and over 2 k tablets, which SCREAMS big dealer ,, now you can erase this posting ...but this is fact,,
in the last 7 years you ever heard abotu anyting that hapen with me? bad good in the middle? no you have not,, why? because i know my profesion ,, i know it very well and i am contected into the highest places ,, this is not making up...this is the new thing in getbig...new gimick say you make up balonie...no this is not making up wanna be information ,,
i touched the olymous and out of kindness and later on cruisade i hav edecided to share it with bodybuilders,, i should be comended for it and my elfs should not be treatened ,, their accounts should not be hacked into,, and they should not be treatened by any means for revealing the truth,,
this is nto going to you but this is going to a group of fellas who know who they are,, LEAVE MY ELFS OUT OF IT! they should not cry to me that they are afraid to talk ,, few of them are worried and i hvae actualy 2 elfs in europe mia ,, if the fellas in australia and europe think i can not get to them...i hav ebig news to them ,, i can!
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You're right, I don't know anything about you...good, bad or otherwise. And I'm not here to argue with you on how great you may or may not be....a man's achievements do very little to impress me, just as a man's failures do very little to affect how I see that person overall. I remember the first time I met Arnold several years ago, it was brief but another guy who was with me and knew me fairly well asked if I was excited about it, he said I didn't seem all that thrilled or like I cared either way. Sure, it was cool to meet him, someone who I had really looked up to as a kid, that was cool no doubt, but I'll tell you the same thing I told my friend....Arnold, he's just another man, and when he lays his head down at night he has the same thoughts every man has, and when he pulls his pants down the same nasty crap comes out the other end.
To me an man's achievements or failures do not measure him, but rather how he conducts himself, how his true self lines up with his every day life. Integrity, honor, all that stuff, a man of truth and trust, who holds to his word even when it's not to his benefit, that's what impresses me. A man who loves his family more than himself, who doesn't conform to the idea that men are supposed to be anything but men...these are rare impressive things. You show me a man who does these things, who puts his woman's worth ahead of his own and his children if he has them and that's someone who has my attention.
As for your direct comment about me...the "screams dealer" comment....I would love if we could just let that go and just talk about the things we're here to talk about. We can argue, discuss, whatever...it'd simply be cool to put that in the past because nothing comes from bringing it up every other post we exchange. One day I may go into full detail about the whole situation, but today is not that day. I'll guarantee you this, whenever I do tell the full story it won't be anything like what you probably suspect because if I was in your shoes I know what I'd suspect and in this case I'd be dead wrong.
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care to elaborate? is it public knowledge?or do you wish to not talk about it?
I had been for the better part of 6yrs, hard, long use. Then for a little more than a year I put the bodybuilding idea out of my head, still trained but was focused more on work and things of a personal nature...during that time I was running 250mg of Test every 7-10 days. As this time past, I got the itch again and began full blown use again for the first time in well over a year. I was on for 5 maybe 6 wks:
Testoviron Depot: 250mg/ed
Trenbolone-Acetate: 100mg/ed
Nandrolone-Decanoate: 200mg/wk
Dianabol: 100mg/ed
At this point my world came crashing down and I was forced to discontinue all use. For the first 8wks or so I was fine, but I started declining steadily after that. I progressively found myself much tireder than normal, it would get to the point where I was like a 90yr old man who needed sleep constantly. Of course, any muscle I had slowly kept drifting away, body-fat was going up. All-in-all I felt like crap for about a yr, and then things got really bad.
I'm sure part of it was due to the stress I was under, which was enormous and for several different reasons, but I started getting sick. I'd get the flu and it would take 2-3wks to get through it, I'd be fine for a wk or two and it would happen again. This repeated a few times, I went to the doctor and they kept giving me antibiotics but it was like my body kept rejecting everything...several of the things they gave me caused my blood pressure to drop horribly which basically made me feel like I was dying.
Anyway, finally I went to a hormone specialist, I knew the cause of my problem, but I guess I had been hoping in-time my body would simply regulate itself, but that obviously wasn't going to happen. Anyway, my test levels were 63, not too shocking, yes ridiculously low but I expected that. What was surprising was apparently my entire hormonal system was for the most part shut down...every test they ran, and it seemed like they ran a hundred I wasn't making anything or hardly at all depending on the hormone....good, bad or in-between I wasn't making it.
I asked the doctor if this was due to the years of long term heavy steroid use, I expected him to say yes, but he didn't. He said it probably didn't help, but the biggest factor was that large cycle that I had to stop abruptly coupled with the tremendous stress of life I was then under more or less caused my body to go into a state of stagnant shock. He said those two stresses combined were like running as fast as I could into a brick wall. Now I don't know how accurate his description was in-terms to what was specifically going on, but that's how he worded it.
Anyway, they put me on an HRT program and shortly after I started feeling like myself again...all the medicine in the world the other doctors were giving me didn't do a thing, some of it actually made things worse, but what do you know, hormones worked.
Funny thing about it, all my years of hard, long use I never had a problem. I'm probably one of the few people who actually kept an eye on my health getting a few physicals per yr and actually informing the doctor of what I was doing. It's funny what stress can do to you when you couple it with abrupt hormonal shutdown.
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Myth: There are better steroids for cutting, specifically prepping for a bodybuilding show than Testosterone, Trenbolone and Equipoise.
Truth: There are no anabolic steroids of any kind that are better for bodybuilding prep than these three steroids. For most, one could easily transform themselves with these three only; actually, with just Test and Tren the transformation could be huge. By adding in the EQ, while this can have some nice conditioning effects to a degree, where this steroid really shines is in its ability to preserve tissue when under stress, i.e. contest dieting and training, and just as important increase muscular endurance substantially so you can get through it. Most will agree in-regards to Trenbolone, but I know several will disagree in-regards to Testosterone, even so, take two similar individuals and put them on the same plan in every way with the exception of one taking an adequate dose of Test and one low dosing or none at all (doesn't matter) and I guarantee you the first guy will beat the second every single time.
EQ over Winny for cutting?
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Good post Arnold.
Myth: There's an anabolic steroid out there that can transform your body dramatically in a week or two.
Truth: No such steroid exist, and if you find it you'll be a bazillionaire by the end of next week. Yes, you can make and notice changes in a fairly short period of time, and the leaner you are the more the results will stand out in a shorter period of time, but these radical transformations in a week or two people sometimes like to talk about, this is in your head.
I concur. I have used everything there is and i never saw much from 1-2 weeks of using any compound. It blows my mind how guys are claiming to transform from a few shots of Tren or Primo. Actually Slin is the only compound that i felt results off of immediately.
Times have changed and everyone is an expert these days, but most people don't ever look at the big picture like you and I do. There are always exceptions to the rules, but after being around this stuff for over 10 years, i agree with almost everything you just wrote.
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Agree
Maybe if you are like 190lbs 7% and you start using 100iu/day of slin with 3 anapolons/day, some decent changes can happend whithin 2 weeks.
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Myth: There are better steroids for cutting, specifically prepping for a bodybuilding show than Testosterone, Trenbolone and Equipoise.
Truth: There are no anabolic steroids of any kind that are better for bodybuilding prep than these three steroids. For most, one could easily transform themselves with these three only; actually, with just Test and Tren the transformation could be huge. By adding in the EQ, while this can have some nice conditioning effects to a degree, where this steroid really shines is in its ability to preserve tissue when under stress, i.e. contest dieting and training, and just as important increase muscular endurance substantially so you can get through it. Most will agree in-regards to Trenbolone, but I know several will disagree in-regards to Testosterone, even so, take two similar individuals and put them on the same plan in every way with the exception of one taking an adequate dose of Test and one low dosing or none at all (doesn't matter) and I guarantee you the first guy will beat the second every single time.
Primobolan in decent dosages is a very good cutting agent. Same with anavar.
Test without some form of anti-estrogens can cause undesirable bloating. Even on them bad things can happen. And in a contest prep bad things are not an option.
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Myth: There are better steroids for cutting, specifically prepping for a bodybuilding show than Testosterone, Trenbolone and Equipoise.
Truth: There are no anabolic steroids of any kind that are better for bodybuilding prep than these three steroids. For most, one could easily transform themselves with these three only; actually, with just Test and Tren the transformation could be huge. By adding in the EQ, while this can have some nice conditioning effects to a degree, where this steroid really shines is in its ability to preserve tissue when under stress, i.e. contest dieting and training, and just as important increase muscular endurance substantially so you can get through it. Most will agree in-regards to Trenbolone, but I know several will disagree in-regards to Testosterone, even so, take two similar individuals and put them on the same plan in every way with the exception of one taking an adequate dose of Test and one low dosing or none at all (doesn't matter) and I guarantee you the first guy will beat the second every single time.
Primobolan in decent dosages is a very good cutting agent. Same with anavar.
Test without some form of anti-estrogens can cause undesirable bloating. Even on them bad things can happen. And in a contest prep bad things are not an option.
primobolana = nandrolona with out the sides of bloat edema etc with out any side....only getting harder and larger ,, leaner and tighter
if you dont use primobolana you cant undertsand how good this hormones is, ofcourse 90% get bunk ,, if you get legit ....you in the bodybuild zone ,, being in the bodybuild zone = competition level = ability to advance
gh15 approved
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I agree with everything besides two of your points.
100mg of anadrol ed will transform your physique in 2 weeks.
100mg of tren ace ed will transform your physique in 2 weeks.
Hell, even 10-20iu of gh ed for 2 weeks will transform your physique in 2 weeks.
I guess maybe it is a game of semantics as to what you mean by transform, but if you use legit products at those dosages, you will see a very noticeable difference.
Also, I think unless you are getting pharm grade gh, 4iu is too low to see any drastic changes, even in the long term. That;s just my humble opinion, however. I could be way off.
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I had been for the better part of 6yrs, hard, long use. Then for a little more than a year I put the bodybuilding idea out of my head, still trained but was focused more on work and things of a personal nature...during that time I was running 250mg of Test every 7-10 days. As this time past, I got the itch again and began full blown use again for the first time in well over a year. I was on for 5 maybe 6 wks:
Testoviron Depot: 250mg/ed
Trenbolone-Acetate: 100mg/ed
Nandrolone-Decanoate: 200mg/wk
Dianabol: 100mg/ed
At this point my world came crashing down and I was forced to discontinue all use. For the first 8wks or so I was fine, but I started declining steadily after that. I progressively found myself much tireder than normal, it would get to the point where I was like a 90yr old man who needed sleep constantly. Of course, any muscle I had slowly kept drifting away, body-fat was going up. All-in-all I felt like crap for about a yr, and then things got really bad.
I'm sure part of it was due to the stress I was under, which was enormous and for several different reasons, but I started getting sick. I'd get the flu and it would take 2-3wks to get through it, I'd be fine for a wk or two and it would happen again. This repeated a few times, I went to the doctor and they kept giving me antibiotics but it was like my body kept rejecting everything...several of the things they gave me caused my blood pressure to drop horribly which basically made me feel like I was dying.
Anyway, finally I went to a hormone specialist, I knew the cause of my problem, but I guess I had been hoping in-time my body would simply regulate itself, but that obviously wasn't going to happen. Anyway, my test levels were 63, not too shocking, yes ridiculously low but I expected that. What was surprising was apparently my entire hormonal system was for the most part shut down...every test they ran, and it seemed like they ran a hundred I wasn't making anything or hardly at all depending on the hormone....good, bad or in-between I wasn't making it.
I asked the doctor if this was due to the years of long term heavy steroid use, I expected him to say yes, but he didn't. He said it probably didn't help, but the biggest factor was that large cycle that I had to stop abruptly coupled with the tremendous stress of life I was then under more or less caused my body to go into a state of stagnant shock. He said those two stresses combined were like running as fast as I could into a brick wall. Now I don't know how accurate his description was in-terms to what was specifically going on, but that's how he worded it.
Anyway, they put me on an HRT program and shortly after I started feeling like myself again...all the medicine in the world the other doctors were giving me didn't do a thing, some of it actually made things worse, but what do you know, hormones worked.
Funny thing about it, all my years of hard, long use I never had a problem. I'm probably one of the few people who actually kept an eye on my health getting a few physicals per yr and actually informing the doctor of what I was doing. It's funny what stress can do to you when you couple it with abrupt hormonal shutdown.
I'm glad you can have a "normal" life after all those problems.
A close friend of mine has some kind of food intolerance from many years non stop of clean healthy food, ironicaly (plus de roids of course).
He ate always the same crap: chiken/turkey and pasta all day.
He can't diet anymore, just salty extra condimented food for him otherwise he goes to the hospital with food poisening symptoms. Unbelievable.
His steroid regimen was like 6 months on/ 6 months off for years.
I believe that a smart bodybuilder is the one who can avoid injuries and getting "burned" from steroid/diet overuse. Pauses are necessary, in everything.
Even emotionaly if one stops for some months then he come more motivated to serious training/juicing/diet again, and his body will respond a lot better to it.
Being on and on and on is just to demanding at all levels.
In regards to pct i agree 100%. If you don't do it, when out of hormones you just can't get out of bed in the morning. With luck, after some hours trying you may drag yourself to the bathroom and climb to the toilet to take a piss. It happend to me.
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primobolana = nandrolona with out the sides of bloat edema etc with out any side....only getting harder and larger ,, leaner and tighter
if you dont use primobolana you cant undertsand how good this hormones is, ofcourse 90% get bunk ,, if you get legit ....you in the bodybuild zone ,, being in the bodybuild zone = competition level = ability to advance
gh15 approved
Sad to hear about 90% being bunk (in americana i suppose). Around here legit primo is easy to get, the main problem is that a bayer ampoul costs the same as 3iu of growth. So it's always a tough choice.
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@Arnold Jr.
That must have been terrible bro, but glad to hear you got through it, and it provides a great learning experience for you and a great lesson for others.
On another note though, just goes to show you that antibiotics/ pills / drugs that doctors hand out like candy are shit... the whole healthcare industry is laughable at best.. and it also goes to show that once your ON, your ON...
Not to undermine your story at all or in any way, because I think it is great for beginners etc.... but once you said you dropped everything, I knew exactly what the problem was and I'm sure many other experienced fellas here as well... but my question is, as someone as experienced and well-trained as yourself, why didn't you go to the hormonal specialist first? And why didn't you just get back on, once you started feeling like shit?
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I guess maybe it is a game of semantics as to what you mean by transform, but if you use legit products at those dosages, you will see a very noticeable difference.
I agree that a few products can provide very noticeable results in a week or two, but that is not what i consider a "transformation" like what i hear some guys talking about.
Anadrol puffs me up something fierce and i get noticeable gains in 2 weeks, but it's all water and i wouldn't consider it a transformation. Also Tren A does give noticeable results when i am lean, but again it's not enough to call a transformation IMO.
The problem i have is now we have all these new guys who think they are going to turn into a bodybuilder overnight if they use certain products, and i think a lot of what is posted is very misleading.
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I agree that a few products can provide very noticeable results in a week or two, but that is not what i consider a "transformation" like what i hear some guys talking about.
Anadrol puffs me up something fierce and i get noticeable gains in 2 weeks, but it's all water and i wouldn't consider it a transformation. Also Tren A does give noticeable results when i am lean, but again it's not enough to call a transformation IMO.
The problem i have is now we have all these new guys who think they are going to turn into a bodybuilder overnight if they use certain products, and i think a lot of what is posted is very misleading.
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Oh please like you didn't think you will turn into a monster during your first cycle ;D
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Sad to hear about 90% being bunk (in americana i suppose). Around here legit primo is easy to get, the main problem is that a bayer ampoul costs the same as 3iu of growth. So it's always a tough choice.
we dont use primobolana depot to get to what we are now day ,, we use acatato ,, depot is dose too low and cant get in bunk for cheaper like acatato ...acatato is fast in and out,, this is what we all use and the fake natural all use this specific drug ,,
the fact that to you they lie...is another story
gh15 approved
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EQ over Winny for cutting?
In a foundational sense, yes.
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I agree with everything besides two of your points.
100mg of anadrol ed will transform your physique in 2 weeks.
100mg of tren ace ed will transform your physique in 2 weeks.
Hell, even 10-20iu of gh ed for 2 weeks will transform your physique in 2 weeks.
I guess maybe it is a game of semantics as to what you mean by transform, but if you use legit products at those dosages, you will see a very noticeable difference.
Also, I think unless you are getting pharm grade gh, 4iu is too low to see any drastic changes, even in the long term. That;s just my humble opinion, however. I could be way off.
Like Overload implied, people use the word "Transform" too liberally. Anyway, his response summed it up best IMO.
Anytime I refer to HGH, I'm always assuming we're dealing with pharma grade HGH. You have to, because generics are going to be all over the place, and even if they're of a high quality nature, their potency is proper, as apparently many learned here recently this can change overnight.
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@Arnold Jr.
That must have been terrible bro, but glad to hear you got through it, and it provides a great learning experience for you and a great lesson for others.
On another note though, just goes to show you that antibiotics/ pills / drugs that doctors hand out like candy are shit... the whole healthcare industry is laughable at best.. and it also goes to show that once your ON, your ON...
Not to undermine your story at all or in any way, because I think it is great for beginners etc.... but once you said you dropped everything, I knew exactly what the problem was and I'm sure many other experienced fellas here as well... but my question is, as someone as experienced and well-trained as yourself, why didn't you go to the hormonal specialist first? And why didn't you just get back on, once you started feeling like shit?
Yes, I was quite aware of what had/was causing the problem, but I couldn't do anything about it. During that time, I had no insurance and I barely had enough money to eat...paying to see a hormone specialist was out of the question and an impossibility at the time. I had lost everything, and I mean everything. Anyway, the only way I can supplement with anything, it must be 100% legally...this is without question.
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Yes, I was quite aware of what had/was causing the problem, but I couldn't do anything about it. During that time, I had no insurance and I barely had enough money to eat...paying to see a hormone specialist was out of the question and an impossibility at the time. I had lost everything, and I mean everything. Anyway, the only way I can supplement with anything, it must be 100% legally...this is without question.
Gotcha. Sorry to hear that bro, I'm glad things are back on track for you!
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we dont use primobolana depot to get to what we are now day ,, we use acatato ,, depot is dose too low and cant get in bunk for cheaper like acatato ...acatato is fast in and out,, this is what we all use and the fake natural all use this specific drug ,,
the fact that to you they lie...is another story
gh15 approved
why is it so un-common? i do not see it on any top chefs or any chefs product line,,,primo ace
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Gotcha. Sorry to hear that bro, I'm glad things are back on track for you!
Thanks. I was a horrible time that's for sure.
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Arnold Jr: I always respected your opinion, I read more than I post as I believe if you have nothing valuable to say say nothing at all. However after reading this post and your responses my respect has only grown. Men will all like the grass of the field fade away, no man will live forever, being mindful of these things humbles you and gives perspective on what is truly of value in life.
GH 15: I enjoy your posts as well it was one of the reasons I joined this site, you say it like it is. This site is a well of knowledge.
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This should be under a Steroid Myth Busters sticky in this section.
Great information and input.
Warhorse