My Take on Myths: Part II - The Deluxe Edition

[Arnold jr]

care to elaborate? is it public knowledge?or do you wish to not talk about it?

I had been for the better part of 6yrs, hard, long use. Then for a little more than a year I put the bodybuilding idea out of my head, still trained but was focused more on work and things of a personal nature...during that time I was running 250mg of Test every 7-10 days. As this time past, I got the itch again and began full blown use again for the first time in well over a year. I was on for 5 maybe 6 wks:

Testoviron Depot: 250mg/ed
Trenbolone-Acetate: 100mg/ed
Nandrolone-Decanoate: 200mg/wk
Dianabol: 100mg/ed

At this point my world came crashing down and I was forced to discontinue all use. For the first 8wks or so I was fine, but I started declining steadily after that. I progressively found myself much tireder than normal, it would get to the point where I was like a 90yr old man who needed sleep constantly. Of course, any muscle I had slowly kept drifting away, body-fat was going up. All-in-all I felt like crap for about a yr, and then things got really bad.

I'm sure part of it was due to the stress I was under, which was enormous and for several different reasons, but I started getting sick. I'd get the flu and it would take 2-3wks to get through it, I'd be fine for a wk or two and it would happen again. This repeated a few times, I went to the doctor and they kept giving me antibiotics but it was like my body kept rejecting everything...several of the things they gave me caused my blood pressure to drop horribly which basically made me feel like I was dying.

Anyway, finally I went to a hormone specialist, I knew the cause of my problem, but I guess I had been hoping in-time my body would simply regulate itself, but that obviously wasn't going to happen. Anyway, my test levels were 63, not too shocking, yes ridiculously low but I expected that. What was surprising was apparently my entire hormonal system was for the most part shut down...every test they ran, and it seemed like they ran a hundred I wasn't making anything or hardly at all depending on the hormone....good, bad or in-between I wasn't making it.

I asked the doctor if this was due to the years of long term heavy steroid use, I expected him to say yes, but he didn't. He said it probably didn't help, but the biggest factor was that large cycle that I had to stop abruptly coupled with the tremendous stress of life I was then under more or less caused my body to go into a state of stagnant shock. He said those two stresses combined were like running as fast as I could into a brick wall. Now I don't know how accurate his description was in-terms to what was specifically going on, but that's how he worded it.

Anyway, they put me on an HRT program and shortly after I started feeling like myself again...all the medicine in the world the other doctors were giving me didn't do a thing, some of it actually made things worse, but what do you know, hormones worked.

Funny thing about it, all my years of hard, long use I never had a problem. I'm probably one of the few people who actually kept an eye on my health getting a few physicals per yr and actually informing the doctor of what I was doing. It's funny what stress can do to you when you couple it with abrupt hormonal shutdown.

[notsureifsrs]

Myth: There are better steroids for cutting, specifically prepping for a bodybuilding show than Testosterone, Trenbolone and Equipoise.
Truth: There are no anabolic steroids of any kind that are better for bodybuilding prep than these three steroids. For most, one could easily transform themselves with these three only; actually, with just Test and Tren the transformation could be huge. By adding in the EQ, while this can have some nice conditioning effects to a degree, where this steroid really shines is in its ability to preserve tissue when under stress, i.e. contest dieting and training, and just as important increase muscular endurance substantially so you can get through it. Most will agree in-regards to Trenbolone, but I know several will disagree in-regards to Testosterone, even so, take two similar individuals and put them on the same plan in every way with the exception of one taking an adequate dose of Test and one low dosing or none at all (doesn't matter) and I guarantee you the first guy will beat the second every single time.

EQ over Winny for cutting?

[falco]

Good post Arnold.

Myth: There's an anabolic steroid out there that can transform your body dramatically in a week or two.
Truth: No such steroid exist, and if you find it you'll be a bazillionaire by the end of next week. Yes, you can make and notice changes in a fairly short period of time, and the leaner you are the more the results will stand out in a shorter period of time, but these radical transformations in a week or two people sometimes like to talk about, this is in your head.

I concur. I have used everything there is and i never saw much from 1-2 weeks of using any compound. It blows my mind how guys are claiming to transform from a few shots of Tren or Primo. Actually Slin is the only compound that i felt results off of immediately.

Times have changed and everyone is an expert these days, but most people don't ever look at the big picture like you and I do. There are always exceptions to the rules, but after being around this stuff for over 10 years, i agree with almost everything you just wrote.

Agree

Maybe if you are like 190lbs 7% and you start using 100iu/day of slin with 3 anapolons/day, some decent changes can happend whithin 2 weeks.

[falco]

Myth: There are better steroids for cutting, specifically prepping for a bodybuilding show than Testosterone, Trenbolone and Equipoise.
Truth: There are no anabolic steroids of any kind that are better for bodybuilding prep than these three steroids. For most, one could easily transform themselves with these three only; actually, with just Test and Tren the transformation could be huge. By adding in the EQ, while this can have some nice conditioning effects to a degree, where this steroid really shines is in its ability to preserve tissue when under stress, i.e. contest dieting and training, and just as important increase muscular endurance substantially so you can get through it. Most will agree in-regards to Trenbolone, but I know several will disagree in-regards to Testosterone, even so, take two similar individuals and put them on the same plan in every way with the exception of one taking an adequate dose of Test and one low dosing or none at all (doesn't matter) and I guarantee you the first guy will beat the second every single time.

Primobolan in decent dosages is a very good cutting agent. Same with anavar.

Test without some form of anti-estrogens can cause undesirable bloating. Even on them bad things can happen. And in a contest prep bad things are not an option.

[gh15]

Myth: There are better steroids for cutting, specifically prepping for a bodybuilding show than Testosterone, Trenbolone and Equipoise.
Truth: There are no anabolic steroids of any kind that are better for bodybuilding prep than these three steroids. For most, one could easily transform themselves with these three only; actually, with just Test and Tren the transformation could be huge. By adding in the EQ, while this can have some nice conditioning effects to a degree, where this steroid really shines is in its ability to preserve tissue when under stress, i.e. contest dieting and training, and just as important increase muscular endurance substantially so you can get through it. Most will agree in-regards to Trenbolone, but I know several will disagree in-regards to Testosterone, even so, take two similar individuals and put them on the same plan in every way with the exception of one taking an adequate dose of Test and one low dosing or none at all (doesn't matter) and I guarantee you the first guy will beat the second every single time.

Primobolan in decent dosages is a very good cutting agent. Same with anavar.

Test without some form of anti-estrogens can cause undesirable bloating. Even on them bad things can happen. And in a contest prep bad things are not an option.

primobolana = nandrolona with out the sides of bloat edema etc with out any side....only getting harder and larger ,, leaner and tighter

if you dont use primobolana you cant undertsand how good this hormones is, ofcourse 90% get bunk ,, if you get legit ....you in the bodybuild zone ,, being in the bodybuild zone = competition level = ability to advance

gh15 approved

[Growth NOOB]

I agree with everything besides two of your points.


100mg of anadrol ed will transform your physique in 2 weeks.
100mg of tren ace ed will transform your physique in 2 weeks.
Hell, even 10-20iu of gh ed for 2 weeks will transform your physique in 2 weeks.

I guess maybe it is a game of semantics as to what you mean by transform, but if you use legit products at those dosages, you will see a very noticeable difference.



Also, I think unless you are getting pharm grade gh, 4iu is too low to see any drastic changes, even in the long term.  That;s just my humble opinion, however.  I could be way off.

[falco]

I had been for the better part of 6yrs, hard, long use. Then for a little more than a year I put the bodybuilding idea out of my head, still trained but was focused more on work and things of a personal nature...during that time I was running 250mg of Test every 7-10 days. As this time past, I got the itch again and began full blown use again for the first time in well over a year. I was on for 5 maybe 6 wks:

Testoviron Depot: 250mg/ed
Trenbolone-Acetate: 100mg/ed
Nandrolone-Decanoate: 200mg/wk
Dianabol: 100mg/ed

At this point my world came crashing down and I was forced to discontinue all use. For the first 8wks or so I was fine, but I started declining steadily after that. I progressively found myself much tireder than normal, it would get to the point where I was like a 90yr old man who needed sleep constantly. Of course, any muscle I had slowly kept drifting away, body-fat was going up. All-in-all I felt like crap for about a yr, and then things got really bad.

I'm sure part of it was due to the stress I was under, which was enormous and for several different reasons, but I started getting sick. I'd get the flu and it would take 2-3wks to get through it, I'd be fine for a wk or two and it would happen again. This repeated a few times, I went to the doctor and they kept giving me antibiotics but it was like my body kept rejecting everything...several of the things they gave me caused my blood pressure to drop horribly which basically made me feel like I was dying.

Anyway, finally I went to a hormone specialist, I knew the cause of my problem, but I guess I had been hoping in-time my body would simply regulate itself, but that obviously wasn't going to happen. Anyway, my test levels were 63, not too shocking, yes ridiculously low but I expected that. What was surprising was apparently my entire hormonal system was for the most part shut down...every test they ran, and it seemed like they ran a hundred I wasn't making anything or hardly at all depending on the hormone....good, bad or in-between I wasn't making it.

I asked the doctor if this was due to the years of long term heavy steroid use, I expected him to say yes, but he didn't. He said it probably didn't help, but the biggest factor was that large cycle that I had to stop abruptly coupled with the tremendous stress of life I was then under more or less caused my body to go into a state of stagnant shock. He said those two stresses combined were like running as fast as I could into a brick wall. Now I don't know how accurate his description was in-terms to what was specifically going on, but that's how he worded it.

Anyway, they put me on an HRT program and shortly after I started feeling like myself again...all the medicine in the world the other doctors were giving me didn't do a thing, some of it actually made things worse, but what do you know, hormones worked.

Funny thing about it, all my years of hard, long use I never had a problem. I'm probably one of the few people who actually kept an eye on my health getting a few physicals per yr and actually informing the doctor of what I was doing. It's funny what stress can do to you when you couple it with abrupt hormonal shutdown.

I'm glad you can have a "normal" life after all those problems.
A close friend of mine has some kind of food intolerance from many years non stop of clean healthy food, ironicaly (plus de roids of course).
He ate always the same crap: chiken/turkey and pasta all day.
He can't diet anymore, just salty extra condimented food for him otherwise he goes to the hospital with food poisening symptoms. Unbelievable.
His steroid regimen was like 6 months on/ 6 months off for years.

I believe that a smart bodybuilder is the one who can avoid injuries and getting "burned" from steroid/diet overuse. Pauses are necessary, in everything.
Even emotionaly if one stops for some months then he come more motivated to serious training/juicing/diet again, and his body will respond a lot better to it.
Being on and on and on is just to demanding at all levels.

In regards to pct i agree 100%. If you don't do it, when out of hormones you just can't get out of bed in the morning. With luck, after some hours trying you may drag yourself to the bathroom and climb to the toilet to take a piss. It happend to me.

[falco]

primobolana = nandrolona with out the sides of bloat edema etc with out any side....only getting harder and larger ,, leaner and tighter

if you dont use primobolana you cant undertsand how good this hormones is, ofcourse 90% get bunk ,, if you get legit ....you in the bodybuild zone ,, being in the bodybuild zone = competition level = ability to advance

gh15 approved

Sad to hear about 90% being bunk (in americana i suppose). Around here legit primo is easy to get, the main problem is that a bayer ampoul costs the same as 3iu of growth. So it's always a tough choice.

[FAST LANE]

@Arnold Jr.

That must have been terrible bro, but glad to hear you got through it, and it provides a great learning experience for you and a great lesson for others. 

On another note though, just goes to show you that antibiotics/ pills / drugs that doctors hand out like candy are shit... the whole healthcare industry is laughable at best.. and it also goes to show that once your ON, your ON...

Not to undermine your story at all or in any way, because I think it is great for beginners etc.... but once you said you dropped everything, I knew exactly what the problem was and I'm sure many other experienced fellas here as well... but my question is, as someone as experienced and well-trained as yourself, why didn't you go to the hormonal specialist first?  And why didn't you just get back on, once you started feeling like shit?

[Overload]

I guess maybe it is a game of semantics as to what you mean by transform, but if you use legit products at those dosages, you will see a very noticeable difference.

I agree that a few products can provide very noticeable results in a week or two, but that is not what i consider a "transformation" like what i hear some guys talking about.

Anadrol puffs me up something fierce and i get noticeable gains in 2 weeks, but it's all water and i wouldn't consider it a transformation. Also Tren A does give noticeable results when i am lean, but again it's not enough to call a transformation IMO.

The problem i have is now we have all these new guys who think they are going to turn into a bodybuilder overnight if they use certain products, and i think a lot of what is posted is very misleading.

[notsureifsrs]

I agree that a few products can provide very noticeable results in a week or two, but that is not what i consider a "transformation" like what i hear some guys talking about.

Anadrol puffs me up something fierce and i get noticeable gains in 2 weeks, but it's all water and i wouldn't consider it a transformation. Also Tren A does give noticeable results when i am lean, but again it's not enough to call a transformation IMO.

The problem i have is now we have all these new guys who think they are going to turn into a bodybuilder overnight if they use certain products, and i think a lot of what is posted is very misleading.

Oh please like you didn't think you will turn into a monster during your first cycle 

[gh15]

Sad to hear about 90% being bunk (in americana i suppose). Around here legit primo is easy to get, the main problem is that a bayer ampoul costs the same as 3iu of growth. So it's always a tough choice.

we dont use primobolana depot to get to what we are now day ,, we use acatato ,, depot is dose too low and cant get in bunk for cheaper like acatato ...acatato is fast in and out,, this is what we all use and the fake natural all use this specific drug ,,

the fact that to you they lie...is another story

gh15 approved

[Arnold jr]

EQ over Winny for cutting?

In a foundational sense, yes.

[Arnold jr]

I agree with everything besides two of your points.


100mg of anadrol ed will transform your physique in 2 weeks.
100mg of tren ace ed will transform your physique in 2 weeks.
Hell, even 10-20iu of gh ed for 2 weeks will transform your physique in 2 weeks.

I guess maybe it is a game of semantics as to what you mean by transform, but if you use legit products at those dosages, you will see a very noticeable difference.



Also, I think unless you are getting pharm grade gh, 4iu is too low to see any drastic changes, even in the long term.  That;s just my humble opinion, however.  I could be way off.

Like Overload implied, people use the word "Transform" too liberally. Anyway, his response summed it up best IMO.

Anytime I refer to HGH, I'm always assuming we're dealing with pharma grade HGH. You have to, because generics are going to be all over the place, and even if they're of a high quality nature, their potency is proper, as apparently many learned here recently this can change overnight.

[Arnold jr]

@Arnold Jr.

That must have been terrible bro, but glad to hear you got through it, and it provides a great learning experience for you and a great lesson for others. 

On another note though, just goes to show you that antibiotics/ pills / drugs that doctors hand out like candy are shit... the whole healthcare industry is laughable at best.. and it also goes to show that once your ON, your ON...

Not to undermine your story at all or in any way, because I think it is great for beginners etc.... but once you said you dropped everything, I knew exactly what the problem was and I'm sure many other experienced fellas here as well... but my question is, as someone as experienced and well-trained as yourself, why didn't you go to the hormonal specialist first?  And why didn't you just get back on, once you started feeling like shit?

Yes, I was quite aware of what had/was causing the problem, but I couldn't do anything about it. During that time, I had no insurance and I barely had enough money to eat...paying to see a hormone specialist was out of the question and an impossibility at the time. I had lost everything, and I mean everything. Anyway, the only way I can supplement with anything, it must be 100% legally...this is without question.

[FAST LANE]

Yes, I was quite aware of what had/was causing the problem, but I couldn't do anything about it. During that time, I had no insurance and I barely had enough money to eat...paying to see a hormone specialist was out of the question and an impossibility at the time. I had lost everything, and I mean everything. Anyway, the only way I can supplement with anything, it must be 100% legally...this is without question.

Gotcha.  Sorry to hear that bro, I'm glad things are back on track for you!

[qbkilla]

we dont use primobolana depot to get to what we are now day ,, we use acatato ,, depot is dose too low and cant get in bunk for cheaper like acatato ...acatato is fast in and out,, this is what we all use and the fake natural all use this specific drug ,,

the fact that to you they lie...is another story

gh15 approved

why is it so un-common?  i do not see it on any top chefs or any chefs product line,,,primo ace

[Arnold jr]

Gotcha.  Sorry to hear that bro, I'm glad things are back on track for you!

Thanks. I was a horrible time that's for sure.

[Koe007]

Arnold Jr: I always respected your opinion, I read more than I post as I believe if you have nothing valuable to say say nothing at all. However after reading this post and your responses my respect has only grown. Men will all like the grass of the field fade away, no man will live forever, being mindful of these things humbles you and gives perspective on what is truly of value in life.

GH 15: I enjoy your posts as well it was one of the reasons I joined this site, you say it like it is. This site is a well of knowledge.

[Warhorse]

This should be under a Steroid Myth Busters sticky in this section.

Great information and input.

Warhorse