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Sick: Young, Undercover Cops Flirted With Students to Trick Them Into Selling Pot
Working at the Drug Policy Alliance for the last twelve years I have read and heard countless stories of people having their lives ruined because of our country's cruel war on drugs. Last weekend, the nationally syndicated show This American Life highlighted a story that is so insane, you don't know whether to laugh or puke.
Last year in three high schools in Florida, several undercover police officers posed as students. The undercover cops went to classes, became Facebook friends and flirted with the other students. One 18-year-old honor student named Justin fell in love with an attractive 25-year-old undercover cop after spending weeks sharing stories about their lives, texting and flirting with each other.
One day she asked Justin if he smoked pot. Even though he didn't smoke marijuana, the love-struck teen promised to help find some for her. Every couple of days she would text him asking if he had the marijuana. Finally, Justin was able to get it to her. She tried to give him $25 for the marijuana and he said he didn't want the money -- he got it for her as a present.
A short while later, the police did a big sweep and arrest 31 students -- including Justin. Almost all were charged with selling a small amount of marijuana to the undercover cops. Now Justin has a felony hanging over his head.
This story is not unique to Florida and it reminds me of an 18-year-old Mitchell Lawrence, a young man from Great Barrington, Mass., who served two years in jail for selling a joint to an undercover cop. The officer befriended Lawrence and his friends and would hang out with them. One day the cop asked if Lawrence had any weed. Lawrence gave the cop a joint. The cop handed him $20. Lawrence hesitated, but the cop insisted on giving him the money. "Selling" the joint, because they were hanging out less than a 1000 feet from a school, and thus was considered a "drug free school zone," carried a mandatory minimum two-year sentence.
cont.. http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/789519/sick:_young,_undercover_cops_flirted_with_students_to_trick_them_into_selling_pot/
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Well -this obviously does nothing to keep drugs off the street.
Forget the morality of this, just thing of the cost vs benefit of these arrests. How much to keep that 25 year old policewoman/tart undercover to get that baggie off the streets.
I guess it somehow keeps the budgets rolling in.
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Disgusting. 99 percent of cops give the 1 percent a bad name.
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What is so disgusting about getting the drug dealers out of schools? You obviously have no idea how some of the schools are here in FL.
I am all for removing the scum that are selling and distributing shit in schools. Too bad your dumb ass thinks it is ok.
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One day she asked Justin if he smoked pot. Even though he didn't smoke marijuana, the love-struck teen promised to help find some for her. Every couple of days she would text him asking if he had the marijuana. Finally, Justin was able to get it to her. She tried to give him $25 for the marijuana and he said he didn't want the money -- he got it for her as a present.
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Real danger to society right there.
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What is so disgusting about getting the drug dealers out of schools? You obviously have no idea how some of the schools are here in FL.
I am all for removing the scum that are selling and distributing shit in schools. Too bad your dumb ass thinks it is ok.
::) Did you even read the fucking shit? Don't make it sound like the kid is Tony Montana lol... There's a big difference between entrapping a horny teen and targeting real drug dealers.
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Did he have enough brain cells to realize what is right or wrong? What if it wasn't a cop and some dope head asking him to kill her parents? You think being love struck would be an acceptable defense for that?
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Did he have enough brain cells to realize what is right or wrong? What if it wasn't a cop and some dope head asking him to kill her parents? You think being love struck would be an acceptable defense for that?
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Its called priorities asshole!
You think its a good use of taxpayer dollars to pay cops 100k a year plus pensions and benes to ruin lives like this and then pat themselves on the back?
Well, you are a "progressive" leftist so I guess you love this type of authoritarian police state bullshit.
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Did he have enough brain cells to realize what is right or wrong? What if it wasn't a cop and some dope head asking him to kill her parents? You think being love struck would be an acceptable defense for that?
Are you fucking serious or just trolling?
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A 25 year old rookie on the force is not making 100K. ::)
Priorities is removing the drugs from an environment that can cultivate more users at a younger age.
Anyone getting busted for a first offense like this isn't going to have a "ruined life" or even a record of it a year later.
So yes, I do think it is worth the tax payers money to do this. We are paying for the police no matter what. Might as well get work and good out of it. I would rather have them busting school dealers than sitting around in a speed trap writing tickets.
You are just a fucking crybaby who is going to cry about anything no matter what. So keep sucking the schlong and posting your bullshit.
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Are you fucking serious or just trolling?
100% serious. Are you telling me you want your kids being exposed to easily accessible drugs while at school. A simple yes or no will do. No need for a long winded post.
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Anybody besides lurker think it's smart for the police to spend weeks trying to talk an honor student into selling weed with a female cop who flirts with the teen so they can ruin their lives? wonderful use of tax dollars by the police... Really protecting the community lol...
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100% serious. Are you telling me you want your kids being exposed to easily accessible drugs while at school. A simple yes or no will do. No need for a long winded post.
You're 100% retarded.
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I don't see an answer to my question there.
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I don't see an answer to my question there.
Please - whan an absurd question you posed. Yeah, parents want their kids exposed to drugs, got it. ::) ::) ::)
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Can't answer the question because it simply incriminates the hypocrisy of trying to cry about what I posted huh?
Ok, gotcha. Carry on loser.
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I don't see an answer to my question there.
You're not addressing any of our points. Instead you post a question that's really already addressed above. Don't act like this is tony montana. It was an honor student who had an undercover flirt with him and talk him into getting her some pot. The kid isn't a fucking dealer dumbass. It's called entrapment. It's called a waste of tax dollars. It's called fucking up this kids life for nothing. Nobody said anything about being for drug dealers in schools.
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Can't answer the question because it simply incriminates the hypocrisy of trying to cry about what I posted huh?
Ok, gotcha. Carry on loser.
So why not post a standing swat team, drug dogs, NARCS, DEA agents, and xrays in all schools?
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Lurker is either a cop himself or he's trolling... nobody is this fucking stupid without a reason.
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So why not post a standing swat team, drug dogs, NARCS, DEA agents, and xrays in all schools?
Did the article say that or are you talking out of your ass again because you just got shit on by logic again?
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Lurker is either a cop himself or he's trolling... nobody is this fucking stupid without a reason.
Yes he is this stupid.
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Did the article say that or are you talking out of your ass again because you just got shit on by logic again?
No - taking your argument to its logical conclusion. Sounds ridiculous no? Well, according to your whacked out beliefs, that would be perfectly fine.
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You're not addressing any of our points. Instead you post a question that's really already addressed above. Don't act like this is tony montana. It was an honor student who had an undercover flirt with him and talk him into getting her some pot. The kid isn't a fucking dealer dumbass. It's called entrapment. It's called a waste of tax dollars. It's called fucking up this kids life for nothing. Nobody said anything about being for drug dealers in schools.
Again, suppose it wasn't pot. Suppose she talked him into doing some other bonehead stunt?
Again, I already posted this kid's life isn't ruined. For nothing? Well I am sure he won't let puppy love make him break the law in the future.
I asked YOU a question. One you haven't answered yet. Let's try again. It should be so difficult.
Are you telling me you want your kids being exposed to easily accessible drugs while at school. A simple yes or no will do. No need for a long winded post.
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No - taking your argument to its logical conclusion. Sounds ridiculous no? Well, according to your whacked out beliefs, that would be perfectly fine.
Assuming that I meant anything other than what I said is ridiculous. No surprise from an idiot like you.
Carry on.
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Yes he is this stupid.
You calling someone stupid is the pinnacle of irony. But don't worry. You won't have to worry about your kids, I hear imaginary girlfriends never get pregnant.
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Lurker is either a cop himself or he's trolling... nobody is this fucking stupid without a reason.
You can't answer a simple yes or no question and yet call another person stupid.
Hahaha. Sure thing Slingblade.
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Again, suppose it wasn't pot. Suppose she talked him into doing some other bonehead stunt?
Again, I already posted this kid's life isn't ruined. For nothing? Well I am sure he won't let puppy love make him break the law in the future.
I asked YOU a question. One you haven't answered yet. Let's try again. It should be so difficult.
::) This case has absolutely nothing to do with easy access to drugs in schools. I'm fucking telling you that I would never want the police department pulling this kind of entrapment in schools. Talking people who aren't doing a crime into doing a crime is not what any police departments should be spending their time on. Because I'm against the police doing things like this doesn't mean I'm for drugs in schools. You have to be the biggest dumbass ever to draw that conclusion.
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My question had nothing to do with entrapment. It had nothing to do with police either. Again, you didn't answer.
And despite your little rant you are trying to twist it so that it appears that since I don't care for drugs in schools, I support police entrapment. FAIL! I guess you missed my prior post where drew the same parallel to another activity. So I guess we just found a bigger dumbass based on THAT conclusion.
Want to try the simple yes or no question again? Think you can drop the windbag role and just answer either yes or no?
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Here you go dumbass, this case fills all three requirments of entrapment:
Entrapment holds if all three conditions are fulfilled:
1.The idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
2.Government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving someone the opportunity to commit a crime is not the same as persuading them to commit that crime.
3.The person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before interaction with the government agents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment
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My question had nothing to do with entrapment. It had nothing to do with police either. Again, you didn't answer.
And despite your little rant you are trying to twist it so that it appears that since I don't care for drugs in schools, I support police entrapment. FAIL! I guess you missed my prior post where drew the same parallel to another activity. So I guess we just found a bigger dumbass based on THAT conclusion.
Want to try the simple yes or no question again? Think you can drop the windbag role and just answer either yes or no?
I answered your fucking question, go to hell you stupid jackass... I fucking clearly answered your goddamned stupid question. You're not directing this debate, I will say what I want in addition to my answer. You're not going to pin me into a yes or no like you're a lawyer in a courtroom ::) I answered the question.
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Here you go dumbass, this case fills all three requirments of entrapment:
Entrapment holds if all three conditions are fulfilled:
1.The idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
2.Government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving someone the opportunity to commit a crime is not the same as persuading them to commit that crime.
3.The person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before interaction with the government agents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment
My question had nothing to do with entrapment. It had nothing to do with police either. Again, you didn't answer.
And despite your little rant you are trying to twist it so that it appears that since I don't care for drugs in schools, I support police entrapment. FAIL! I guess you missed my prior post where drew the same parallel to another activity. So I guess we just found a bigger dumbass based on THAT conclusion.
Want to try the simple yes or no question again? Think you can drop the windbag role and just answer either yes or no?
I have never said I was against entrapment. Please show me my post where I said that. And you still call someone dumbass when apparently you either can't read my post or do not possess the intellect to understand WTF I am saying. Great job. Continue to talk around your ass that way. "Dumbass".
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But since you're so into yes or no questions, you fucking answer yes or no...
Is this entrapment or not? yes or no lol...
Are the police free to entrap people in Florida, yes or no lol
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I answered your fucking question, go to hell you stupid jackass... I fucking clearly answered your goddamned stupid question. You're not directing this debate, I will say what I want in addition to my answer. You're not going to pin me into a yes or no like you're a lawyer in a courtroom ::) I answered the question.
^^^ MELTDOWN
No you didn't answer my question. I asked for a simple answer. You gave the typical long winded run around reply. Why? Because answering it in a plainly stated yes or no would either reveal you as a hypocrite or a "dumbass". No surprise there that you wanted to ramble on and on with other nonsense. Now you are attempting to twist what I have already stated into something else for your own argument. Great job there!
Here, let's try it another way. Instead of making such a hard brain straining effort into answering, just place an "x" in the appropriate box.
[ ] I want my kids in a school environment where there is easy access to drugs.
[ ] I DO NOT want my kids in a school environment where there is easy access to drugs.
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lurker, this isn't about you. The debate on this is not only about what you think is relevant. If I think the entrapment is relevant to why this is wrong, I can talk about that angle all I fucking want. You don't demand what can and can't be considered in this.
spending weeks fucking talking a kid into doing a crime is not keeping anyone safe, it's not keeping drugs away from kids, it's a waste of tax money, etc...
end of story jerkoff. and that does answer your question unless you're so retarded you can't understand it.
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[ ] I want my kids in a school environment where there is easy access to drugs.
[ ] I DO NOT want my kids in a school environment where there is easy access to drugs.
Yea, you're going to black and white it like that and think it's ok to force my opinion on your question into a box marked yes or no... ::) Not happening dumbass... I answered your question.
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Yea, you're going to black and white it like that and think it's ok to force my opinion on your question into a box marked yes or no... ::) Not happening dumbass... I answered your question.
Lurker is a troll and a clown - he is good for laughs. Only a complete jackass thinks entraping kids like this is a good thing.
And if the problem is so bad, why the need to entrap anyone? There should be an abundance of real criminals to go after no?
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Lurker is a troll and a clown - he is good for laughs. Only a complete jackass thinks entraping kids like this is a good thing.
And if the problem is so bad, why the need to entrap anyone? There should be an abundance of real criminals to go after no?
exactly...
He's a cop, a troll or just completely retarded.
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But since you're so into yes or no questions, you fucking answer yes or no...
Is this entrapment or not? yes or no lol...
Are the police free to entrap people in Florida, yes or no lol
See how easy that was? "lol" . For the life of me I can't understand why a simple yes or no question is so difficult. Perhaps an adjustment in the carbs in the morning will help.
And before you rush off and start foaming at the mouth and thinking you are about to score a point and "show me up" about my answer to entrapment being legal in FL, I do know that entrapment is NOT legal, however it is RARELY enforced by judges and courts in the defendants favor. Which basically gives officers free reign to do whatever is necessary to make an arrest. It is very rare that entrapment cases are dropped or won by the defendant. If entrapment laws was enforced, then you would hardly ever have any prostitution arrests (active and solicitation ) or street level drug sales.
Entrapment is NOT a tactic I support, encourage or defend. But regardless of the outcome of their tactics if the person is not breaking any laws then they have nothing to worry about.
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Lurker is a troll and a clown - he is good for laughs. Only a complete jackass thinks entraping kids like this is a good thing.
And if the problem is so bad, why the need to entrap anyone? There should be an abundance of real criminals to go after no?
You know what is good for laughs? An internet shut in with no job, who fakes being a lawyer to impress his imaginary girlfriend.
I find that really comical.
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Yea, you're going to black and white it like that and think it's ok to force my opinion on your question into a box marked yes or no... ::) Not happening dumbass... I answered your question.
Please go back and quote the answer to my question since you claim you already answered it. ::)
Despite my previous example of how to answer a yes or no question, somehow I think it won't happen. The posts from the two of you "dumbasses" on here are really all the proof one needs to agree with keeping drugs out of schools.
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Let me make sure I have this stupidity right....
I explain that I don't think talking a kid into a crime is a good use of tax dollars and does not keep drugs away from kids and you still demand that my opinion must fit into one of your fucking boxes below?
[ ] I want my kids in a school environment where there is easy access to drugs.
[ ] I DO NOT want my kids in a school environment where there is easy access to drugs.
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Let me make sure I have this stupidity right....
I explain that I don't think talking a kid into a crime is a good use of tax dollars and does not keep drugs away from kids and you still demand that my opinion must fit into one of your fucking boxes below?
[ ] I want my kids in a school environment where there is easy access to drugs.
[ ] I DO NOT want my kids in a school environment where there is easy access to drugs.
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Havent you learned what a delusional stalking troll Licker is by now?
At least now he is going to stalk you for a change. His jilted lover obsession w me is creeeeeepppppyyyy.
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Can't answer the question because it simply incriminates the hypocrisy of trying to cry about what I posted huh?
Ok, gotcha. Carry on loser.
You got some balls calling other people losers while defeding this bullshit.
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You calling someone stupid is the pinnacle of irony. But don't worry. You won't have to worry about your kids, I hear imaginary girlfriends never get pregnant.
No. You are stupid.
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Peanuts kill more people each year than pot. Crimilizing pot is ridiculous. Yet cigarettes and alcoclhol aren't. Kids in school have easy access to all three.
What the police did there is a poor use of our tax payer money, a stupid application of law and does nothing to prevent it.
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America is a bit fucked up..... ::)
I've been there, love the country and the people but some of you are fucked beyond repair.... :-X :-X
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America is a bit fucked up..... ::)
I've been there, love the country and the people but some of you are fucked beyond repair.... :-X :-X
So no fucked up people in other countries? Or just in your country?
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No. You are stupid.
Oh look. It is the poster boy for 6000 years of Incest and Inbreeding trying to say something.
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so you advocate that the above described method of entrapment is acceptable?
I already answered that. Unlike Hugo, I gave a direct straight forward answer.
See how easy that was? "lol" . For the life of me I can't understand why a simple yes or no question is so difficult. Perhaps an adjustment in the carbs in the morning will help.
And before you rush off and start foaming at the mouth and thinking you are about to score a point and "show me up" about my answer to entrapment being legal in FL, I do know that entrapment is NOT legal, however it is RARELY enforced by judges and courts in the defendants favor. Which basically gives officers free reign to do whatever is necessary to make an arrest. It is very rare that entrapment cases are dropped or won by the defendant. If entrapment laws was enforced, then you would hardly ever have any prostitution arrests (active and solicitation ) or street level drug sales.
Entrapment is NOT a tactic I support, encourage or defend. But regardless of the outcome of their tactics if the person is not breaking any laws then they have nothing to worry about.
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good use of tax dollars
Since you can't answer a yes or no question, how about answering how a better use of tax dollars would have been spent in regards to the officers that did this?
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I already answered that. Unlike Hugo, I gave a direct straight forward answer.
so is that a straightforward yes or a straight foward no to my question?
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so is that a straightforward yes or a straight foward no to my question?
I would think that having to post
"Entrapment is NOT a tactic I support, encourage or defend."
in big bold letters in the quote of my previous reply would pretty much be considered a straight forward no.
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I would think that having to post
"Entrapment is NOT a tactic I support, encourage or defend."
in big bold letters in the quote of my previous reply would pretty much be considered a straight forward no.
BULLSHIT! You only typed that after your idiocy and incompetence was pointed out to you.
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What is so disgusting about getting the drug dealers out of schools? You obviously have no idea how some of the schools are here in FL.
I am all for removing the scum that are selling and distributing shit in schools. Too bad your dumb ass thinks it is ok.
THIS WAS YOUR FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD - SHOW ME WHERE YOU DISAGREED W THE TACTIC.
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Did he have enough brain cells to realize what is right or wrong? What if it wasn't a cop and some dope head asking him to kill her parents? You think being love struck would be an acceptable defense for that?
2nd post in the thread - please show me where you disagree w the tactic?
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A 25 year old rookie on the force is not making 100K. ::)
Priorities is removing the drugs from an environment that can cultivate more users at a younger age.
Anyone getting busted for a first offense like this isn't going to have a "ruined life" or even a record of it a year later.
So yes, I do think it is worth the tax payers money to do this. We are paying for the police no matter what. Might as well get work and good out of it. I would rather have them busting school dealers than sitting around in a speed trap writing tickets.
You are just a fucking crybaby who is going to cry about anything no matter what. So keep sucking the schlong and posting your bullshit.
3rd post in the thread defending the tactic.
You = FAIL
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Again, suppose it wasn't pot. Suppose she talked him into doing some other bonehead stunt?
Again, I already posted this kid's life isn't ruined. For nothing? Well I am sure he won't let puppy love make him break the law in the future.
I asked YOU a question. One you haven't answered yet. Let's try again. It should be so difficult.
Can you please show me where you disagreed with the tactic?
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Since you can't answer a yes or no question, how about answering how a better use of tax dollars would have been spent in regards to the officers that did this?
Your turn jackoff, go answer the questions put to you.
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Lurker got his ass handed to him in this thread... I haven't seen this kind of self owning since Samson bit his own ass off... lol
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I listened to the interview.
Don't buy for a second that this kid is an "honor" student.
Entrapment will need to be decided by the judge as the cop has a different version saying the kid offered.
Definitely a waste of taxpayer money.
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Can you please show me where you disagreed with the tactic?
Who is defending it? I am not showing remorse or cuddling someone stupid enough to fall for that shit. You are sitting here defending one person out of 31 that was arrested. Are you generalizing the other 30 as "honor" students as well? HAHA!
But hey, you seem to think it is cool for high school students to be supplying drugs. Good for you.
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Lurker got his ass handed to him in this thread... I haven't seen this kind of self owning since Samson bit his own ass off... lol
Coming from someone that runs from a yes or no question your little post doesn't mean shit.
Glad you are all for your kids attending school with drug dealers. Nice parenting skills.
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Coming from someone that runs from a yes or no question your little post doesn't mean shit.
Glad you are all for your kids attending school with drug dealers. Nice parenting skills.
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Not a surprising response from you. You haven't said shit yet so far except to rant and whine.
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Not a surprising response from you. You haven't said shit yet so far except to rant and whine.
You got mutilated in this thread. Save face now and give it up.
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You got mutilated in this thread. Save face now and give it up.
Mutilated? You dumb fuck. You want to see mutilated, try staring at that thread that is still going where you have been shit on nonstop for over a week now.
The only thing this thread has proved is that quite a few people are ok sending their kids to school with drug dealers and those people, in addition to having questionable parenting skills can't answer a simple yes or no question.
Keep trying crybaby.
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Cops make plenty of money...esp. the county and city goes in Florida. Six figures is the norm as they can accrue overtime at will. There were several prison guards in Collier that made more money than the governor....all on the taxpayer dole....and thats not counting the full benefits, fringe benefits, take home car, and the shit they get on the side (ALL cops are crooked to one degree or another).