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Lee Haney was the first 8x Mr Olympia, not Ronnie Coleman.
(http://www.building-body.com/assets/images/bb_legende/Lee%20Marvin%20Haney/Lee-Marvin-Haney_2.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/TC-3A2Kw6LI/AAAAAAAAMR4/5UO-XGW8SE4/s1600/Lee+Haney+-+014+-+www.Musclebase.Blogspot.com.jpg)
(http://www.nopain.estranky.cz/img/mid/26/lee-haney---04.jpg)
(http://carens.websitewelcome.com/~anabolic/images/stories/Lee%20Haney/fotos_lee_haney_097.jpg)
(http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/13/93/71/22/lee2310.jpg)
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20050316023202/uncyclopedia/images/6/6b/Darguz.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/129/images/Lee%20Haney_209.jpg)
(http://www.musclelegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/30.jpg)
(http://www.fisioculturismo.es/images/LeeHaney-culturismo-pesas-fisioculturismo.jpg)
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ok :)
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Very Impressive physique. Don't see enough of him on this board. Very grainy hard looking physique. I would take that look any day over the current crop of pros.
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unbelievable torso... as good as it gets
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Very Impressive physique. Don't see enough of him on this board. Very grainy hard looking physique. I would take that look any day over the current crop of pros.
x2,,chest,back,was awesome,,waist line tight...
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haney knew that times were a changing! that's why he'll live to a nice and HEALTHY old age 8)
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Yes, not a single flaw. The last great physique that was still somewhat mainstream and not repulsive.
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When looking back at pics like this and not seeing guts,muscle tears,small tight waistlines,and good proportions, with minimal or no SEO,it makes me feel bad for the clowns competing today.........psuedo bodybuilders who rely on juice alone and nothing else.
Not all are clowns,but you guys know who I mean.
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vacuum should be a fucking mandatory
(http://i.imgur.com/Amlc2.jpg)
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Haney dominated his era.
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vacuum should be a fucking mandatory
(http://i.imgur.com/Amlc2.jpg)
Nobody would show up because nobody could do one! :(
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When looking back at pics like this and not seeing guts,muscle tears,small tight waistlines,and good proportions, with minimal or no SEO,it makes me feel bad for the clowns competing today.........psuedo bodybuilders who rely on juice alone and nothing else.
Not all are clowns,but you guys know who I mean.
too much food,relying on drugs instead of cardio,too tired from stuff to train,fill muscle with oil to compensate,,,,shame,,,80's guys drugged hard as well but looked the part shrunken cheeks,tight skin,waist,proportionate legs to torso,and dieted/cardio ,,yes they used fatburners,diuretics,escicleine in the end product but the passion seemed more to train then get to the stage to present it.
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too much food,relying on drugs instead of cardio,too tired from stuff to train,fill muscle with oil to compensate,,,,shame,,,80's guys drugged hard as well but looked the part shrunken cheeks,tight skin,waist,proportionate legs to torso,and dieted/cardio ,,yes they used fatburners,diuretics,escicleine in the end product but the passion seemed more to train then get to the stage to present it.
Bunch of lazy fucks...........I really admire the old school dudes.......used a lot of gear,but dieted their balls off,trained hard,never missing a day,and did their cardio.......that takes passion as well as balls because it ain`t easy.
The training was done for the love of training,now it`s just half assed half reps with big weights and shitty form,and upping the dosage.
Sorry about the rant! ;)
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Also, Haney won the Olympia at 23. Will this ever be repeated?
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Bunch of lazy fucks...........I really admire the old school dudes.......used a lot of gear,but dieted their balls off,trained hard,never missing a day,and did their cardio.......that takes passion as well as balls because it ain`t easy.
The training was done for the love of training,now it`s just half assed half reps with big weights and shitty form,and upping the dosage.
Sorry about the rant! ;)
ur right about the tears,,gaspari towards the end ,,the guy trained insane....otherwise most guys had clean lines...
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Also, Haney won the Olympia at 23. Will this ever be repeated?
Very doubtful.
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Very doubtful.
yeah no way...era is over...guys are bigger today tenfold.quality is not for the most part...
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Bunch of lazy fucks...........I really admire the old school dudes.......used a lot of gear,but dieted their balls off,trained hard,never missing a day,and did their cardio.......that takes passion as well as balls because it ain`t easy.
The training was done for the love of training,now it`s just half assed half reps with big weights and shitty form,and upping the dosage.
Sorry about the rant! ;)
oldschool bbing= training for hte passion
modern bbing= training because gear are useless if you don't lift, training to break the muscle and make slin gh and ass go into.
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These screenshots of Haney guestposing in 1991
give a glimpse of what Haney could have become
with the ever expansive use of drugs in bodybuilding.
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More..
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Haney at his best was similar to ronnie at his best.
huge, wide and amazing back.
huge pecs, great delts
tiny waist.
both had shitty abs.
but Ronnie also had quads and bis.
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When looking back at pics like this and not seeing guts,muscle tears,small tight waistlines,and good proportions, with minimal or no SEO,it makes me feel bad for the clowns competing today.........psuedo bodybuilders who rely on juice alone and nothing else.
Not all are clowns,but you guys know who I mean.
Training and diet dont matter. Didnt you get the memo? Want to eat fastfood? Just up the gh dose. To the op, post a current pic or gtfo LOL!!
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Last..
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Lee Haney was the first 8x Mr Olympia, not Ronnie Coleman.
(http://www.building-body.com/assets/images/bb_legende/Lee%20Marvin%20Haney/Lee-Marvin-Haney_2.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/TC-3A2Kw6LI/AAAAAAAAMR4/5UO-XGW8SE4/s1600/Lee+Haney+-+014+-+www.Musclebase.Blogspot.com.jpg)
(http://www.nopain.estranky.cz/img/mid/26/lee-haney---04.jpg)
(http://carens.websitewelcome.com/~anabolic/images/stories/Lee%20Haney/fotos_lee_haney_097.jpg)
(http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/13/93/71/22/lee2310.jpg)
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20050316023202/uncyclopedia/images/6/6b/Darguz.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/129/images/Lee%20Haney_209.jpg)
(http://www.musclelegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/30.jpg)
(http://www.fisioculturismo.es/images/LeeHaney-culturismo-pesas-fisioculturismo.jpg)
Haney and coleman are more or less cut from the same cloth, when both under 250lbs....they are ALOT alike physiues Comparable, slimmer lines, muscle insertions etc only difference IMO is Coleman had bigger arms and quads........thats it.
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:o :o :o...Haney looks exceptional in those screen caps thankyou.
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Training and diet dont matter. Didnt you get the memo? Want to eat fastfood? Just up the gh dose. To the op, post a current pic or gtfo LOL!!
True,what was I thinking ? ;D
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1991 Haney was in Prehaps his best shape and he STILL had a Tight waist line
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1991 Haney was in Prehaps his best shape and he STILL had a Tight waist line
Fucking chest/shoulder to waist differential is insane.
We`ll never see that again.
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His MM and FLS in 91 was Incredible that taper was his Trademark though his era
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Fucking chest/shoulder to waist differential is insane.
We`ll never see that again.
Agreed the "Ballooned" look is here for the long-haul
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Mass with lines @ the Olympia 1987
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Haney looked truly amazing, but this is a classic example of why it is important to go out on top. People's impression of you is often how you last left it:
Ronnie, in his PRIME, is untouchable...
Sometimes, I just think we need to be reminded... this man, was not human...
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1991 Haney vs 1998 Coleman mm
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no one was ever better than ronnie in his prime. no one
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Crazy thing is Haney had already won 8 Mr O's and been retired for 2 years at the age where ronnie won his first.
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Ronnie's shoulder to waist ratio was also incredible.
He added some mass to his shoulders between 98-99
(his 1st year to not work full-time as a police officer)
which made his V taper that year probably his best ever.
The waist was still relatively small.
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This is my point. Lee Haney went out on Top. That is forever etched into peoples minds. Ronnie stayed in after his prime and let the world watch his waist grow and his body slowly begin to deteriorate. However, when comparing them in their prime, no one touches Ronnie. He had the combination of everything: great genetics (insane natural strength, structure, muscle insertions, etc), a ridiculous response to drugs, the will and love to train with intensity, and commitment to diet and do everything he could to win. Also note: Not a deadly narcotics user or drinker.
Ronnie is once in a lifetime.
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Haney looked truly amazing, but this is a classic example of why it is important to go out on top. People's impression of you is often how you last left it:
Ronnie, in his PRIME, is untouchable...
Sometimes, I just think we need to be reminded... this man, was not human...
Yes agreed, important to go out on top Legacy wise, Coleman should of Left after 2006 when he got 2nd place...Absolutely no Disgrace there in placeing 2nd, however he chose to "hang" around, Yates got out On top even though he wasnt what he was he KNEW it was time to go after the O in 1997....as Haney did before him KNEW when to go after the 1991 O.... however Coleman.... he wouldnt let it go and was Relegated down bye guys that wouldnt have tied his boot laces against him in 1998-01 and is now seen as a Joke by the new Generation of BBers where he's looking terrible in these Exhibition shows hes been doing since, the New Generation only see whats in front of them THESE DAYS and see him stumbling along LONG after his best is gone.
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Crazy thing is Haney had already won 8 Mr O's and been retired for 2 years at the age where ronnie won his first.
Yeah wasn't it 2003 where Ronnie basically peaked? He was like 43 years old I think.
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However, when comparing them in their prime, no one touches Ronnie. He had the combination of everything: great genetics (insane natural strength, structure, muscle insertions, etc), a ridiculous response to drugs, the will and love to train with intensity, and commitment to diet and do everything he could to win. Also note: Not a deadly narcotics user or drinker.
Ronnie is once in a lifetime.
Yeah, it's hard to even imagine a better bodybuilder than Ronnie at his peak. I saw Haney and Yates in person at their peak, unfortunately didn't get to see Ronnie.
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Yeah, it's hard to even imagine a better bodybuilder than Ronnie at his peak. I saw Haney and Yates in person at their peak, unfortunately didn't get to see Ronnie.
Yip seen both Yates and Coleman when they were the Currant champs @ the time Yates @ a Exhibition in 1995 and Coleman in 04-05 coming out of Reliys, Did you actually see them both ONSTAGE in their Primes,? if so what was your Impression of the 2 of them
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I saw Haney at the 88 O, his best was probably 91. But, in 88 he was so far ahead of the competition it wasn't even close. Probably one of the best V-tapers ever. His waist one one of the smallest onstage.
I was at the 93 O where Yates really blew up. I remember the competitors filing out onstage in two rows. Yates was in the back row and the last to step on stage. He slowly walked out, turned to the front, flexed his lats, and won the show. The crowd was blown away. Think he was only called out once or twice in the prejudging.
I also saw Coleman guest posing in the late 90's at Chad's Missouri BB Championship. One of my friends won the heavyweight division and overall at the show. Standing next to Coleman he looked like a child. Ronnie claimed to be 319lbs. I do know when Ronnie left he got in an airport shuttle van and you could see it dip to the side where he sat. Flex Wheeler and Nasser were also guest posers, not even close to Big Ron.
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I saw Haney at the 88 O, his best was probably 91. But, in 88 he was so far ahead of the competition it wasn't even close. Probably one of the best V-tapers ever. His waist one one of the smallest onstage.
I was at the 93 O where Yates really blew up. I remember the competitors filing out onstage in two rows. Yates was in the back row and the last to step on stage. He slowly walked out, turned to the front, flexed his lats, and won the show. The crowd was blown away. Think he was only called out once or twice in the prejudging.
I also saw Coleman guest posing in the late 90's at Chad's Missouri BB Championship. One of my friends won the heavyweight division and overall at the show. Standing next to Coleman he looked like a child. Ronnie claimed to be 319lbs. I do know when Ronnie left he got in an airport shuttle van and you could see it dip to the side where he sat. Flex Wheeler and Nasser were also guest posers, not even close to Big Ron.
Great insight....Yip most guys that have actually seen guys like Yates, Haney and Coleman ONSTAGE under the lights agree that Pictures etc do not do them justice, strangely enough Yates Forearms and traps in Person @ that time were Frigging MASSIVE, Dence as hell and HUGE and of course his calves were everything u see in any pics etc....in alot of his pics you dont get the same insight with those bodyparts with the forearms and Traps, However Coleman's Arms, traps etc are what you see in the Pictures....Unbelievable .... same as Victor Richards in 1994... his Quads and arms were everything you see in Pictures Unbelievable and MASSIVE, some BBers Project More so in Person than they do in Pictures.... Yates and from what ive heard Haney seem to fit this ideal
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I don't know where it is, but someone needs to post that picture of Ronnie standing next to the GNC employee. When you see this, you realize that he is just a monster. He's over 300 lbs and hard as a rock in that photo. It just puts things in perspective.
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Picture definately don't do Yates justice, was probably the grainiest BB ever.
When Dorian was doing his posing routine in 93, doing this pose he spiked his foot so hard the entire stage rattled. He also blew his air out so hard it echoed throughout the auditorium.
(http://www.isteroids.com/bodybuilding/images/dorian_yates4.jpg)
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Lee in 1986 and Coleman in 2006, when Coleman was alot lighter both Haney and him looked Very much alike in the Relaxed shot, when i first saw shots of Coleman when he got Really massive Re: 2003 on onwards.... always thought Haney would of looked almost identical if he had started his career @ the same time as coleman....with the exception of the arms
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I started training in 95...back then people thought Yates and the other guys had 1 meter waistline, that all shape/tight abs were gone for the sake of mass, mass and more mass. Same shit people always have been saying. Those freaky hard delts shown in the Haney pics are insane! Big change is in the GH and slin ofcourse...add in more and more SEO...the pics shows were in heads you: larger legs, less details in upper body esp and blockier waist. Whats better you descide...
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Flex Wheeler and Nasser were also guest posers, not even close to Big Ron.
Please elaborate on this, was ronnie far, far superior to nasser?
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Mass with lines @ the Olympia 1987
Haneys waist and thigh measurements were very close
That 87 pic illustrates this
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no one was ever better than ronnie in his prime. no one
I agree and so Lee winning 8x mr.o
All Mr.O's accomplished what they wanted.
Respect and let us see what coming next.
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Haney rapes Dorian.
He also has better lines than Ronnie and more of a dense less bloofy look to his muscles.
Haney>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ronnie and Dorian.
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vacuum should be a fucking mandatory
(http://i.imgur.com/Amlc2.jpg)
yeah better bodybuilder than coleman...
(http://trainingmasters.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/99-uk-gp-double-bi.png?w=450)
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Haney at his best was similar to ronnie at his best.
huge, wide and amazing back.
huge pecs, great delts
tiny waist.
both had shitty abs.
but Ronnie also had quads and bis.
lee's pecs are better (no gyno as ronnie's)..
lee's abs are better..
lee's quads are better (shape wise) while ronnie's are bigger..
lee's calves are much better..
ronnie's biceps are better but lee's are not bad..
lee's triceps are better..
just my opinion 8)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=416751.0;attach=458954;image)
Haney and Ronnie were playing different games, Haney looks like he would have excelled at the crazy size game. But Ronnie smaller was had badass aesthetics also, so who knows.
I think Haney does have better pecs just cos of the gyno issue, but Ronnie's abs were clearly awesome once. My only thing with Haney is for all his amazing mass he has a clear arm imbalance. He could get as crazy big as he wants but his arms would stay the same. I think the 1991 Mr O look was pretty amazing though.
Also great to see Vince Taylor when he had quads and two eyes in some of those pics!
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both were amazing, but as stated, no one was better than a prime ronnie, especially dorian yates LOL ;D
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amazing lat spreads
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My two cents…
A major 'flaw' of Ronnie's physique - that surprisingly goes more or less unnoticed - is his lack of a huge ribcage. That flaw is noticeable in a lot of poses. That’s why, despite the many amazing individual bodyparts, Ronnie is not as dominant in many poses as we should believe. This is also due to him not being a good poser. You often don’t get the dominance of Ronnie by comparing poses. Instead, Ronnie’s unbelievable mass is most visible when you see him moving in-between poses or walking in the gym etc. He is not able to reflect this as much as one should believe in the mandatories – especially from the front and side. Just look at all the pics taken of Ronnie, how many astonishing pics are there of Ronnie in the mandatories (front/side)? Amazingly just a few are really amazing. With that back, how is it possible not to have a better FLS? That’s why you see Hulkster almost always uses the same pics to illustrate Ronnie’s greatness in certain poses.
Anyway, I think Ronnie’s inability to really display his mass in the mandatories is due to his lack of a huge ribcage. It simply hurts him in a lot of poses. He being a bad poser is also due to this (and not only his posing ability).
From the side:
The side chest: It’s only his mass that saves him, because he is not striking the pose in a good way. With that mass he should blow the others away (which he sometimes does, but not often enough or to the extent one should believe). Yates, on the other hand, does not have an extraordinary chest at all, but having a ribcage makes it a good pose anyhow. Also, the ribcage gives Yates thickness from the side. Not to mention Arnold, that had both the rib and the mass (or Lou).
Quarter-turns/relaxed from the side: This is Ronnie’s weakest ‘position’. Here, he does not stand out at all - despite out- massing his competitors. I guess this is the 'pose' that really makes Ronnie almost disappear.
From the front:
FDB: With those muscles, one should think Ronnie’s FDB would be better and more dominant than it was. Of the many pics of his FDB, there are only a few where he is really great in that pose. Thos having a huge ribcage has an advantage in this pose. They get some vacuum; the pec-line becomes more visible; their lats become more flaring etc. Take Arnold and Lee, and even Yates.
FLS: Same goes here. I guess there is only one good pic of Ronnie in that pose, and we all know what pic that is… In other pics, we get a ‘glimpse’ of the mass, but his inability to rise and expand his ribcage makes it more of a mess of mass… Here, just look at how Lee and Yates lift their huge ribcages, which makes the pose aesthetic and three-dimensional
Hulkster… Of course, there are a few more good pics (but surprisingly few, despite the many pics taken). Anyway, with those muscle bellies and that mass, one should believe Ronnie would dominate the mandatories to a much larger degree.
I think Haney had the best structure of them all…
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I agree that Ronnie was a terrible poser.
yates and haney were great.
ronnie should have used a posing coach, that way every side chest shot he hit would look like this:
and even then, this is not hit in the "classical" (ie 70's) way pushing the arms up under a sucked in stomach (like arnold) but in the modern way where the abs are almost flexed.
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Jesus look at those hamstrings :o
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Please elaborate on this, was ronnie far, far superior to nasser?
At the show Ronnie claimed 320 lbs and Nasser Claimed 300. Ronnie still had his awesome shape and a hint of abs, Nasser looked like a wide water balloon. Flex claimed 260 and looked like a bloated child next to Ronnie.
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At the show Ronnie claimed 320 lbs and Nasser Claimed 300. Ronnie still had his awesome shape and a hint of abs, Nasser looked like a wide water balloon. Flex claimed 260 and looked like a bloated child next to Ronnie.
So at 320, ronnie made a 300 lb nasser look like a waster baloon
Ronnie was incredible
At his peak, and especially 98/99 obviously, the guy was untouchable
Nasser couldn't play that game, shame. Flex was never meant to go over 230
As much as I prefer haneys physique, gotta give it to ronnie, he took bbing to its possible max. Haney had a taper/waist and calves , but those are optional extras nowadays.
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Taking in consideration that this is the correct form to hit this pose....
This is the best Front Lat Spread pic I have ever seen.
(http://carens.websitewelcome.com/~anabolic/images/stories/Lee%20Haney/fotos_lee_haney_097.jpg)
WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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A few more great FLS
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Almost all FLS of haney are outstanding... only a few you can say the same about
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A few more...
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Only a few - those with super-structure - can pull this off... Check out the Phil-like clavicle-with
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Not many could 'survive' standing relaxed next to Lee Haney - had height, structure and mass...
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no one was better than ronnie in his prime. no one
Maybe, but the real question is...is no one better than growth NOOB?
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Ronnie was way stronger... But Im not sure how much of that differential was due to the dramatic differences in drug usage
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Taking in consideration that this is the correct form to hit this pose....
This is the best Front Lat Spread pic I have ever seen.
(http://carens.websitewelcome.com/~anabolic/images/stories/Lee%20Haney/fotos_lee_haney_097.jpg)
WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Reminds me of this Ronnie pic.
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Haney is the greatest Mr. O, in my opinion, overall.
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vacuum should be a fucking mandatory
(http://i.imgur.com/Amlc2.jpg)
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Reminds me of this Ronnie pic.
Wrong ..rule number one, If the traps are showing in the front double Bi pose, its done incorrectly.
I remember back in the day Joe would tell anyone that, plus you have to be able to draw a straight line over pecs and delts when hitting FLS...
As soon as you do that all the "flaws" come to light' unless youre Haney or Oliva of course....
I guess today's champs are along when it comes to proper posing.
Freie Information
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More Vacuum Poses
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Wrong ..rule number one, If the traps are showing in the front double Bi pose, its done incorrectly.
I remember back in the day Joe would tell anyone that, plus you have to be able to draw a straight line over pecs and delts when hitting FLS...
As soon as you do that all the "flaws" come to light' unless youre Haney or Oliva of course....
I guess today's champs are along when it comes to proper posing.
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LOL wrong? I just posted a pic. I wasn't arguing anything. Of course Ronnie isn't hitting the pose correctly. Plus, who the hell is talking about "front double bicep pose"? I posted a "front latspread" pic.