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Title: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 27, 2012, 10:51:48 PM
The six Republican presidents of the past 50 years had an average IQ of 115.5, with President Nixon having the highest at 155. President George W. Bush rated the lowest of all the Republicans with an IQ of 91.

The six Democratic presidents of the past 50 years had an average IQ of 156, with President Clinton having the highest IQ, at 182. President Lyndon B. Johnson was rated the lowest of all the Democrats with an IQ of 126. No president other than Carter [D] has released his actual IQ (176). Note the institute measured him at 175.

Among comments made concerning the specific testing of President G.W. Bush, his low ratings are due to his apparently difficult command of the English language in public statements, his limited use of vocabulary [6,500 words for Bush versus an average of 11,000 words for other presidents], his lack of scholarly achievements other than a basic MBA, and an absence of any body of work which could be studied on an intellectual basis.

The complete report documents the methods and procedures used to arrive at these ratings, including depth of sentence structure and voice stress confidence analysis.

"All the Presidents prior to George W. Bush had a least one book under their belt, and most had written several white papers during their education or early careers. Not so with President Bush," Dr. Lovenstein said. "He has no published works or writings, which made it more difficult to arrive at an assessment. We relied more heavily on transcripts of his unscripted public speaking."


The Lowenstein Institute of Scranton, Pennsylvania think tank includes high caliber historians, psychiatrists, sociologists, scientists in human behavior, and psychologists. Among their ranks are Dr. Werner R. Lovenstein, world-renowned sociologist, and Professor Patricia F.Dilliams, a world-respected psychiatrist. For more information on the Lovenstein Institute, go to
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: oni on February 27, 2012, 10:54:52 PM
You don't become the most powerful man in the world with an IQ of 91
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 27, 2012, 10:56:39 PM
You don't become the most powerful man in the world with an IQ of 91

Or, perhaps he was put in that position because he has an IQ of 91.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: prophecy on February 27, 2012, 10:57:37 PM
bush is one dumb guy
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: 5antasy on February 27, 2012, 11:00:11 PM
What was the average IQ of his voters?
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 27, 2012, 11:01:46 PM
What was the average IQ of his voters?

Not sure. Is The Coach a typical Republican voter? Probably 85-90.
I took an IQ test once and scored a 126 (not a bullshit online test that inflates your score and makes you feel good mind you.)
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: oni on February 27, 2012, 11:04:43 PM
Or, perhaps he was put in that position because he has an IQ of 91.


The guy earned mega bucks, he went to Yale and then got an MBA at harvard law school and owns massive property
I don't care how stupid you think he is, he's doing better in life than 99% of people and if that isn't "smart" I don't know what is

Having an IQ of 130, living in your parents basement programming useless shit and being a virgin isn't smart, sorry
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: theheman on February 27, 2012, 11:06:32 PM
The six Republican presidents of the past 50 years had an average IQ of 115.5, with President Nixon having the highest at 155. President George W. Bush rated the lowest of all the Republicans with an IQ of 91.

The six Democratic presidents of the past 50 years had an average IQ of 156, with President Clinton having the highest IQ, at 182. President Lyndon B. Johnson was rated the lowest of all the Democrats with an IQ of 126. No president other than Carter [D] has released his actual IQ (176). Note the institute measured him at 175.
These numbers are obviously exaggerated.  85% of the population fall in the 85-115 IQ range. Individuals w/an IQ between 115 and 130 would be in the top 10%, individuals with an IQ between 130 and 145 would be the top 5%.  If Clinton had an IQ of 182 then he'd be the top 1%er of the highest IQ range.  Clinton is smart man no doubt but no way can he have an IQ of 182; 160 I'd buy it though.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 27, 2012, 11:06:58 PM
The guy earned mega bucks, he went to Yale and then got an MBA at harvard law school and owns massive property
I don't care how stupid you think he is, he's doing better in life than 99% of people and if that isn't "smart" I don't know what is

Having an IQ of 130, living in your parents basement programming useless shit and being a virgin isn't smart, sorry

You mean he had the right parents. His dad was a former president for chrissakes.
He wouldn't have even been admitted to Yale otherwise, much less earn an MBA.

Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: theheman on February 27, 2012, 11:08:32 PM
The guy earned mega bucks,
I beg to differ.  He comes from a wealthy family.  He didn't earn the money like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates.  He got money from his family and got lucky in investing it in the right places.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 27, 2012, 11:10:46 PM
These numbers are obviously exaggerated.  85% of the population fall in the 85-115 IQ range. Individuals w/an IQ between 115 and 130 would be in the top 10%, individuals with an IQ between 130 and 145 would be the top 5%.  If Clinton had an IQ of 182 then he'd be the top 1%er of the highest IQ range.  Clinton is smart man no doubt but no way can he have an IQ of 182; 160 I'd buy it though.

I don't think they are. They were accurate on Carter's IQ to a single point! Carter's IQ is 176 and he was estimated by the experts in the think tank to be 175.
I remember reading somewhere that Clinton had one of the highest scores on his Law exam in history, so it's not unbelievable at all. Is it that unbelievable that a president of the most powerful country in the world is extremely smart? Is it that unbelievable that Bush--with half the vocabulary of most presidents, has an IQ of 91? I think not. Similarly, his father was estimated at 98.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: oni on February 27, 2012, 11:13:15 PM
You mean he had the right parents. His dad was a former president for chrissakes.
He wouldn't have even been admitted to Yale otherwise, much less earned an MBA.

I beg to differ.  He comes from a wealthy family.  He didn't earn the money like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates.  He got money from his family and got lucky in investing it in the right places.

He earned his money through opening several oil companies, his family may have paid for his education fees but money doesn't get you a MBA
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 27, 2012, 11:15:57 PM
He earned his money through opening several oil companies, his family may have paid for his education fees but money doesn't get you a MBA

It takes a lot of money to start a successful business.
The Bush family had the capital to finance his oil ventures.
Many people would be far more successful than Bush, given the same circumstances.
People that think you can just be a 'self-made man' and go from rags to riches overnight are delusional--and the Republicans are all too willing to fuel that delusion.
The only exceptions are super geniuses like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, et al. If Bush had the same environment as those guys, he wouldn't have done shit.
Maybe manager at Burger King.

Very few people have the financial backing/necessary family connections to become millionaire businessmen.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: seCrawler on February 27, 2012, 11:22:39 PM
It takes a lot of money to start a successful business.
The Bush family had the capital to finance his oil ventures.
Many people would be far more successful than Bush, given the same circumstances.
People that think you can just be a 'self-made man' and go from rags to riches overnight are delusional--and the Republicans are all too willing to fuel that delusion.
The only exceptions are super geniuses like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, et al. If Bush had the same environment as those guys, he wouldn't have done shit.
Maybe manager at Burger King.

Very few people have the financial backing/necessary family connections to become millionaire businessmen.


Stop trying to reason with some guys on here.  It's known Bush Jr got into Ivy League schools because of daddy.  It's also known that he followed his dad on the oil deals in Texas.  Self-made?  How about dad made?
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: oni on February 27, 2012, 11:24:15 PM
It takes a lot of money to start a successful business.
The Bush family had the capital to finance his oil ventures.
Many people would be far more successful than Bush, given the same circumstances.
People that think you can just be a 'self-made man' and go from rags to riches overnight are delusional--and the Republicans are all too willing to fuel that delusion.
The only exceptions are super geniuses like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, et al. If Bush had the same environment as those guys, he wouldn't have done shit.
Maybe manager at Burger King.

Very few people have the financial backing/necessary family connections to become millionaire businessmen.


I don't care how much money it takes to start up a successful business or if many other people would have done better in his situation
I'm not saying he's self-made, I'm saying that it takes more than an idiot to be the most powerful man in the world and be as successful as he is
If he was born into poverty then no he wouldn't have done as well, does that make him an idiot? Hell no
Guess there are no clever people in africa  ::)
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: oni on February 27, 2012, 11:25:24 PM
A Professional is just mad because someone with an estimated IQ of 91 was more successful than he will ever be
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 27, 2012, 11:26:41 PM
A Professional is just mad because someone with an estimated IQ of 91 was more successful than he will ever be

Ha, if you call the Bush presidency a success. Guess we view things on a different scale. I'm glad you have someone to look up to.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: oni on February 27, 2012, 11:29:55 PM
Ha, if you call the Bush presidency a success. Guess we view things on a different scale. I'm glad you have someone to look up to.

Only reason you made this thread is to have a good laugh at Bush with some other members on here so that you can feel better about yourself
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 27, 2012, 11:32:36 PM
Only reason you made this thread is to have a good laugh at Bush with some other members on here so that you can feel better about yourself

It's pretty disturbing that the former commander of the largest military and economy in the world has low intelligence don't you think?
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: oni on February 27, 2012, 11:35:15 PM
It's pretty disturbing that the former commander of the largest military and economy in the world has low intelligence don't you think?

I couldn't give a shit
Worst thing he did was order the invasion of sand blacks
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 27, 2012, 11:36:56 PM
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I don't care how much money it takes to start up a successful business or if many other people would have done...
I couldn't give a shit
Worst thing he did was order the invasion of sand guys

These are the kind of statements dumb people make when they get frustrated with basic logic and reason.

I don't care what no scientist tells me!!

I don't care bout no money it take!!!

I don't give a shit!!!

Sorry for insulting your hero.
Bush has paved the way for many more dummies like you I'm sure.  

;D
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: oni on February 27, 2012, 11:39:05 PM
These are the kind of statements dumb people make when they get frustrated with basic logic and reason.

I don't care what no scientist tells me!!

I don't care bout no money it take!!!

I don't give a shit!!!

Sorry for insulting your hero.
Bush has paved the way for many more dummies like you I'm sure.  

;D

You call me dumb and then use personal insults as arguments
Stay mad
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 27, 2012, 11:41:18 PM
You call me dumb and then use personal insults as arguments
Stay mad

I'm hoping for your sake that you're a Democrat pretending to be a Republican.  ;D
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: oni on February 27, 2012, 11:43:19 PM
I'm hoping for your sake that you're a Democrat pretending to be a Republican.  ;D

I'm neither, this isn't about republican vs democrat
This is about you making threads to laugh at "dumb" people that are more successful than you so you can sleep better at night
Stop diverting the thread to things people are not even talking about!
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: delta9mda on February 27, 2012, 11:51:19 PM
What was the average IQ of his voters?
how about the voters of obama?
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 28, 2012, 12:50:48 AM
Average IQ of various professions:
Professors and researchers.......131, 134
Physicians and surgeons............128
Lawyers................. .......................1 28
Accountants............. .....................119 , 128
Engineers (civil and mechanical)125
School teachers................ ............121, 123
General managers in business...122
Education administrators.......... ..122
Stenographers........... ...................119, 121
Pharmacists............. .....................120
Nurses.................. ........................ .119
Senior clerks.................. ..............118
Managers, production.............. ...118
Clerks (general)........................ ...118
Managers, miscellaneous........... 116
Cashiers................ .......................1 16
Foremen, industrial.............. ........114
Salesmen................ .....................114
Clerks.................. ........................ .112
Electricians............ ......................10 9
Policemen............... .....................108
Mechanics............... .....................106
Machine operator................ ........105
Store managers................ ..........103
Shopkeepers............. ..................103
Butchers................ .......................1 03
Carpenters, construction............ 102
Warehouse men..................... ......98  HW :D
Carpenters and cabinet makers.97
Machine operator................ .........97
Cooks and bakers.................. ......97
Drivers, truck and van...................97
Laborers................ ........................ 96
Small farmers................. ...............96
Gardeners............... ......................95
Unskilled laborer................. ..........90 GW ;D
Factory packers and sorters........85
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: Rearden Metal on February 28, 2012, 01:17:16 AM
The guy earned mega bucks, he went to Yale and then got an MBA at harvard law school and owns massive property
I don't care how stupid you think he is, he's doing better in life than 99% of people and if that isn't "smart" I don't know what is

Having an IQ of 130, living in your parents basement programming useless shit and being a virgin isn't smart, sorry

Right, and he had no step stool to get whatever he needed. Like GWs parents basement is the same as any of ours.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: dr.chimps on February 28, 2012, 04:39:31 AM
Hmm. Pretty indirect measuring of Presidential IQ. I'd say he was probably closer to average than below average. Certainly no Wilson or Jefferson. 
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: thelamefalsehood on February 28, 2012, 05:05:11 AM
So Jimmy Carter had a high IQ, what a great President he was ::) I'm sure the annointed one we have in office right now would be off the charts for IQ as well, and he is doing almost as good as Carter. Not sticking up for Bush, but this "study" is obviously slanted left. For the Dems as a whole to be 30 points higher than the Pubs seems to stick out just a little bit. And a lot of those numbers, especially Clintons, seem awfully high.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: jesusbod on February 28, 2012, 05:19:26 AM
bush is one dumb ####

And the guy that occupies the White House now is such a sharp tack.. Oh Brother.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on February 28, 2012, 06:03:57 AM
THE BEEF recalls a presidential debate where the moderator told Kerry that Bush's IQ was higher then his.  Kerry responded . . . " good for him "

The 91 is bullshit. And oh yes, Vince Basile's IQ is off the charts, the highest in recorded history. It's a fact.

THE BEEF
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: Ronnie Rep on February 28, 2012, 06:14:10 AM
You don't become the most powerful man in the world with an IQ of 91
How naive you are!
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: Radical Plato on February 28, 2012, 06:32:58 AM
I call bullshit, there is no way in hell a man as dumb as george Bush could score as high as 91 on an IQ test, the man was quite simply a retard, please dont make me scour youtube for proof of this mans deep level of retardness.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: oldtimer1 on February 28, 2012, 06:53:22 AM
The liberal media and the democrates labeled Bush as dumb and as usual the masses of truly dumb people went along with it.  One of the most effective weapons democrates use is put a tag on a threat as stupid.  It has been done time after time. 

Obama won't release his college grades. I wonder why?

The average IQ of professions is isane. One example is a pharmacist needs so many chemistry courses like organic chemistry. Next time you see a pharmacist in NJ they average 150K with a little over time. If it's so easy become one.  A cashier has a higher IQ than a cop? Maybe a little cop hating went into that one. Maybe in bum fuck sticks but in NJ there isn't a northern Jersey cop that doesn't over 100K. I suggest that all these cashiers take the test and go to the academy because they are wasting their time making minimum wage. Another is lawyers and surgeons have the same IQ? Are you kidding? Going through law school is a joke compared to becoming a surgeon.  What a crock of shit that list is.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: Radical Plato on February 28, 2012, 02:13:30 PM
The liberal media and the democrates labeled Bush as dumb and as usual the masses of truly dumb people went along with it.  One of the most effective weapons democrates use is put a tag on a threat as stupid.  It has been done time after time.  

Obama won't release his college grades. I wonder why?

The average IQ of professions is insane. One example is a pharmacist needs so many chemistry courses like organic chemistry. Next time you see a pharmacist in NJ they average 150K with a little over time. If it's so easy become one.  A cashier has a higher IQ than a cop? Maybe a little cop hating went into that one. Maybe in bum fuck sticks but in NJ there isn't a northern Jersey cop that doesn't over 100K. I suggest that all these cashiers take the test and go to the academy because they are wasting their time making minimum wage. Another is lawyers and surgeons have the same IQ? Are you kidding? Going through law school is a joke compared to becoming a surgeon.  What a crock of shit that list is.
George Bush was incredibly dumb, the man could barely string two words together, I knew the first time I ever heard him speak he was a literal retard - who cares if his opposition labelled him dumb - the fact is, George Bush is a semi retard, he may fool the average dumb American, but men with intelligence, just see a complete retard - if you voted at anytime for bush in any election, well, sorry that either makes you a retard lover or just simple a retard.

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Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 28, 2012, 02:22:45 PM
George Bush was incredibly dumb, the man could barely string two words together, I knew the first time I ever heard him speak he was a literal retard - who cares if his opposition labelled him dumb - the fact is, George Bush is a semi retard, he may fool the average dumb American, but men with intelligence, just see a complete retard - if you voted at anytime for bush in any election, well, sorry that either makes you a retard lover or just simple a retard.

Yeah, I don't get why people are in such denial. Clearly this guy is mentally deficient. He demonstrated HALF the vocabulary of other presidents, and can't even put together a coherent thought  ;D 91 btw is low-average. Average range is 90-110. Not hard to believe he has low-average intelligence at all.

And again, Jimmy Carter actually DID release his real IQ scores--showing a verifiable 176!! The think tank was so accurate, that they estimated 175 for him.

I'm more of a Ron Paul guy myself (I see Republicans/Dems as two sides of the same coin, creating the illusion of choice),
but I can definitely see Republicans being less intellectually endowed than dems.

I'd guess Obama to be between 120-130. But I'm no expert like this think tank of smart people devoted to determining such things.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: shootfighter1 on February 28, 2012, 02:23:38 PM
I call bullshit too.  

Although intelligence is roughly measured by IQ...functional intelligence, instinct, motivation and wisdom make people more successful than having a super high IQ.  These are not measured well on standard IQ tests.  Many people with extremely high IQs are socially awkward, can't related well to people or manage them, all vital to success in the real world.  Several people I have worked with & have worked for have lower IQs than I but easily surpassed me and many other docs as far as being successful...business skill, running a company, calculated risks, pay.  This happens all the time.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: shootfighter1 on February 28, 2012, 02:24:44 PM
I'm more of a Ron Paul guy too...especially supporting his general ideas.  He may not be the best president but makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: howardroark on February 28, 2012, 02:27:59 PM
Not standardized IQ tests = not actual IQ.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on February 28, 2012, 02:29:38 PM
If Bush really had a 91 IQ, he wouldn't have been able to read the teleprompter as well as he did. Hell Obama has are tough time with it. I'm guessing a 90 IQ would be someone like Paris Hilton...She's probably in the 85 to 90 range.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: Grape Ape on February 28, 2012, 02:32:02 PM
The liberal media and the democrates labeled Bush as dumb and as usual the masses of truly dumb people went along with it.  One of the most effective weapons democrates use is put a tag on a threat as stupid.  It has been done time after time. 

Plus, a lot of them claim he was the dumbest President ever, while simutanelously crediting him for the biggest cover up l in American history (911).
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: greeneyes on February 28, 2012, 02:34:51 PM
clinton 182 IQ and einstein about 165 what a fucking joke
all this IQ tests are joke
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 28, 2012, 02:37:54 PM
Plus, a lot of them claim he was the dumbest President ever, while simutanelously crediting him for the biggest cover up l in American history (911).

Not true at all. The conspiracy theorist believe he was put in place because he was dumb and therefore easy to manipulate--and probably unaware of what was going on behind the scenes. Dick Cheney was the brains behind the presidency. Bush was a front.

If Bush really had a 91 IQ, he wouldn't have been able to read the teleprompter as well as he did. Hell Obama has are tough time with it. I'm guessing a 90 IQ would be someone like Paris Hilton...She's probably in the 85 to 90 range.

Bullshit. You guys are acting like an IQ of 91 means mentally retarded. 90 is the bottom of the average spectrum ie--low-average.
91 seems about right for Bush.

clinton 182 IQ and einstein about 165 what a fucking joke
all this IQ tests are joke

Did you read that Carter has a verifiable IQ of 176?? Carter is a super brain.
Not hard at all to believe the president of the biggest power in history (pre-Bush dynasty) is super intelligent.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 28, 2012, 02:38:12 PM
That would make him 91 points above Obama.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: dr.chimps on February 28, 2012, 02:40:03 PM
Not true at all. The conspiracy theorist believe he was put in place because he was dumb and therefore easy to manipulate--and probably unaware of what was going on behind the scenes. Dick Cheney was the brains behind the presidency. Bush was a front.
Bush wasn't a patsy, but there is a reason why the Secret Service name for Cheney was 'Edgar.'    ;)
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: Benny B on February 28, 2012, 02:40:26 PM
Easily the DUMBEST president of all time.  :(

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/brianbogdan/root/february/dummy_Bush.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gd87aP-fLCA/TNK1KpnSL4I/AAAAAAAABcA/GayCHuW0SV8/s400/george_bush_hands_up1.jpg)
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: MikMaq on February 28, 2012, 02:41:16 PM
91 sounds about right, he was just an average guy, with a shitty verbal skills, we all know this how the fuck is this a surprize. Anyhow iq tests mean fuck all.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: suckmymuscle on February 28, 2012, 02:45:41 PM
The six Republican presidents of the past 50 years had an average IQ of 115.5, with President Nixon having the highest at 155. President George W. Bush rated the lowest of all the Republicans with an IQ of 91.

The six Democratic presidents of the past 50 years had an average IQ of 156, with President Clinton having the highest IQ, at 182. President Lyndon B. Johnson was rated the lowest of all the Democrats with an IQ of 126. No president other than Carter [D] has released his actual IQ (176). Note the institute measured him at 175.

Among comments made concerning the specific testing of President G.W. Bush, his low ratings are due to his apparently difficult command of the English language in public statements, his limited use of vocabulary [6,500 words for Bush versus an average of 11,000 words for other presidents], his lack of scholarly achievements other than a basic MBA, and an absence of any body of work which could be studied on an intellectual basis.

The complete report documents the methods and procedures used to arrive at these ratings, including depth of sentence structure and voice stress confidence analysis.

"All the Presidents prior to George W. Bush had a least one book under their belt, and most had written several white papers during their education or early careers. Not so with President Bush," Dr. Lovenstein said. "He has no published works or writings, which made it more difficult to arrive at an assessment. We relied more heavily on transcripts of his unscripted public speaking."


The Lowenstein Institute of Scranton, Pennsylvania think tank includes high caliber historians, psychiatrists, sociologists, scientists in human behavior, and psychologists. Among their ranks are Dr. Werner R. Lovenstein, world-renowned sociologist, and Professor Patricia F.Dilliams, a world-respected psychiatrist. For more information on the Lovenstein Institute, go to
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  This has been refutted. Clinton IQ 182? Actually, he scored 135 on the WAIS, which is equivalent to 137 on the Stanford-Binet, which is very high but by no means exceptional. IQ 182 would be the IQ of someone like Gauss or David Hilbert, that is, a really, really brilliant mathematician on a level above even a typical Fields Medal winner. IQ 155 is the average for Nobelists in the sciences, so Clinton would have an IQ almost two standard deviations above a physics Nobelist? I think not.

  The most intelligent U.S president was Lincon with IQ 153, followed by Thomas Jefferson at 145 and Nixon at 143. Stop throwing around these ridiculous numbers. I am by no means conservative, but the media is clearly liberal and obviously propagandates the myth that Democratic presidents are vastly more intelligent than Republican presidents. Democratic presidents are smarter than Republican presidents, but the difference is small. Politicians are usually not very smart people. The kind of man who is drawn towards power is usually not an intellectual type.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 28, 2012, 02:54:51 PM
 This has been refutted. Clinton IQ 182? Actually, he scored 135 on the WAIS, which is equivalent to 137 on the Stanford-Binet, which is very high but by no means exceptional. IQ 182 would be the IQ of someone like Gauss or David Hilbert, that is, a really, really brilliant mathematician on a level above even a typical Fields Medal winner. IQ 155 is the average for Nobelists in the sciences, so Clinton would have an IQ almost two standard deviations above a physics Nobelist? I think not.

  The most intelligent U.S president was Lincon with IQ 153, followed by Thomas Jefferson at 145 and Nixon at 143. Stop throwing around these ridiculous numbers. I am by no means conservative, but the media is clearly liberal and obviously propagandates the myth that Democratic presidents are vastly more intelligent than Republican presidents. Democratic presidents are smarter than Republican presidents, but the difference is small. Politicians are usually not very smart people. The kind of man who is drawn towards power is usually not an intellectual type.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I agree in regards to Clinton. 182 is incredibly high. 137 sounds right.
However, Carter has a verifiable IQ of 176. He was better suited to be an intellectual than a leader.
I think the rest are fairly accurate.

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He was educated in the Plains public schools, attended Georgia Southwestern College and the Georgia Institute of Technology, and received a B.S. degree from the United States Naval Academy in 1946. In the Navy he became a submariner, serving in both the Atlantic and Pacific fleets and rising to the rank of lieutenant. Chosen by Admiral Hyman Rickover for the nuclear submarine program, he was assigned to Schenectady, N.Y., where he took graduate work at Union College in reactor technology and nuclear physics, and served as senior officer of the pre-commissioning crew of the Seawolf, the second nuclear submarine.

For those that don't know, Rickover was instrumental in developing nuclear propulsion.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: funk51 on February 28, 2012, 03:07:03 PM
The six Republican presidents of the past 50 years had an average IQ of 115.5, with President Nixon having the highest at 155. President George W. Bush rated the lowest of all the Republicans with an IQ of 91.

The six Democratic presidents of the past 50 years had an average IQ of 156, with President Clinton having the highest IQ, at 182. President Lyndon B. Johnson was rated the lowest of all the Democrats with an IQ of 126. No president other than Carter [D] has released his actual IQ (176). Note the institute measured him at 175.

Among comments made concerning the specific testing of President G.W. Bush, his low ratings are due to his apparently difficult command of the English language in public statements, his limited use of vocabulary [6,500 words for Bush versus an average of 11,000 words for other presidents], his lack of scholarly achievements other than a basic MBA, and an absence of any body of work which could be studied on an intellectual basis.

The complete report documents the methods and procedures used to arrive at these ratings, including depth of sentence structure and voice stress confidence analysis.

"All the Presidents prior to George W. Bush had a least one book under their belt, and most had written several white papers during their education or early careers. Not so with President Bush," Dr. Lovenstein said. "He has no published works or writings, which made it more difficult to arrive at an assessment. We relied more heavily on transcripts of his unscripted public speaking."


The Lowenstein Institute of Scranton, Pennsylvania think tank includes high caliber historians, psychiatrists, sociologists, scientists in human behavior, and psychologists. Among their ranks are Dr. Werner R. Lovenstein, world-renowned sociologist, and Professor Patricia F.Dilliams, a world-respected psychiatrist. For more information on the Lovenstein Institute, go to

that seems a little high for w
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 28, 2012, 03:29:14 PM

The most intelligent U.S president was Lincon with IQ 153, followed by Thomas Jefferson at 145 and Nixon at 143. Stop throwing around these ridiculous numbers. I am by no means conservative, but the media is clearly liberal and obviously propagandates the myth that Democratic presidents are vastly more intelligent than Republican presidents. Democratic presidents are smarter than Republican presidents, but the difference is small. Politicians are usually not very smart people. The kind of man who is drawn towards power is usually not an intellectual type.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

You can turn on the AMradio at any given hour and 75% of those stations are neo-con stations. Limbaugh, Harowitz, Schultz, Savage...
FOX News is a devoted neo-Conservative channel that doesn't even hide the fact.

The media isn't liberal, but it's not exactly conservative--and always manipulative.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: tommywishbone on February 28, 2012, 03:42:28 PM
91 plus he's a mass murderer. Excellent.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 28, 2012, 03:52:55 PM
Plus, a lot of them claim he was the dumbest President ever, while simutanelously crediting him for the biggest cover up l in American history (911).

Not sure how many people have "credited" him in any way for 911.

Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: suckmymuscle on February 28, 2012, 04:00:44 PM
I agree in regards to Clinton. 182 is incredibly high. 137 sounds right.
However, Carter has a verifiable IQ of 176. He was better suited to be an intellectual than a leader.
I think the rest are fairly accurate.

For those that don't know, Rickover was instrumental in developing nuclear propulsion.

  Even so, IQ 176 is really, really high. I mean, extrordinarilly high. That is an IQ significantly superior to a typical science Nobelist. IQ 176 would be above Darwin, Kepler and Descartes and on the level of Kant, Hugo Grotius and Leibniz. The statistical probability of IQ 176 is exactly one in a million. I think given his credentials, IQ 146 or even 156 is belieavable for Carter, but not 176. A man with IQ 176 should be able to make a Harvard professor(IQ 150) feel like a dumbass, and I don't think Carter is this intelligent.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 28, 2012, 05:14:35 PM
Yes, apparently this article is a big hoax, and the numbers are wildly inflated:
(I think Snopes leans right though, due to their sympathetic tone)

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.asp (http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.asp)

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In terms of brute brainpower, the smartest postwar presidents were Richard Nixon, a Duke Law School graduate with a reported IQ of 143; Jimmy Carter, who graduated in the top 10 percent of his Naval Academy class; and Rhodes scholar Bill Clinton, a graduate of Georgetown University and Yale Law School.

Tricky Dick @ 143  :D

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Unlike John F. Kennedy, who obtained an IQ score of 119, or Al Gore, who achieved scores of 133 and 134 on intelligence tests taken at the beginning of his high school freshman and senior years, no IQ data are available for George W. Bush. But we do know that the young Bush registered a score of 1206 on the SAT, the most widely used test of college aptitude.

These are more accurate numbers...

Clinton - 137
Al Gore - 133
Kennedy - 119
Bush - 115 (an estimate based on his alleged SAT score of 1206)

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The average IQ is about 105 for high school graduates, 115 for college graduates and 125 for people with advanced professional degrees.

http://www1.csbsju.edu/uspp/Election/bush011401.htm (http://www1.csbsju.edu/uspp/Election/bush011401.htm)

Also, there is no proof that Carter released his verifiable IQ scores.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: bike nut on February 28, 2012, 05:49:31 PM
It's pretty disturbing that the former commander of the largest military and economy in the world has low intelligence don't you think?

Why is that....the current one is decidedly worse?
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: suckmymuscle on February 28, 2012, 05:53:33 PM
You can turn on the AMradio at any given hour and 75% of those stations are neo-con stations. Limbaugh, Harowitz, Schultz, Savage...
FOX News is a devoted neo-Conservative channel that doesn't even hide the fact.

The media isn't liberal, but it's not exactly conservative--and always manipulative.

  FOX is an exception. It is the only conservative media outlet. CNN, NBC, CBS, etc, are all clearly liberal.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: tbombz on February 28, 2012, 06:37:02 PM
  FOX is an exception. It is the only conservative media outlet. CNN, NBC, CBS, etc, are all clearly liberal.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
hardly. the majority of news stations dont have any bias except for a bias towards sensationalism to garner ratings.

there are only two partisan networks and those are  fox as "conservative", msnbc as "liberal".
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: suckmymuscle on February 28, 2012, 07:02:03 PM
hardly. the majority of news stations dont have any bias except for a bias towards sensationalism to garner ratings.

there are only two partisan networks and those are  fox as "conservative", msnbc as "liberal".

  No. NBS, CBS and CNN are all liberal. They all report news with a strong liberal bias, and most of their anchormen self-identify as liberals.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: tbombz on February 28, 2012, 07:58:13 PM
depends on how you define liberal.

if your talking about relative to the u.s. political system... well the facts tend to be a bit liberal in that context.

but defined by ideology, with no regard for the state of politics, those news organizations dont have any partisan bias. they just report whats going on.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 28, 2012, 08:03:40 PM
depends on how you define liberal.

if your talking about relative to the u.s. political system... well the facts tend to be a bit liberal in that context.

but defined by ideology, with no regard for the state of politics, those news organizations dont have any partisan bias. they just report whats going on.

What are you Bill Clinton?

Sit your whore ass down you obfuscating motherfu*ker!
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: tonymctones on February 28, 2012, 08:18:00 PM
Yes, apparently this article is a big hoax, and the numbers are wildly inflated:
(I think Snopes leans right though, due to their sympathetic tone)

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.asp (http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.asp)

Tricky Dick @ 143  :D

These are more accurate numbers...

Clinton - 137
Al Gore - 133
Kennedy - 119
Bush - 115 (an estimate based on his alleged SAT score of 1206)

http://www1.csbsju.edu/uspp/Election/bush011401.htm (http://www1.csbsju.edu/uspp/Election/bush011401.htm)

Also, there is no proof that Carter released his verifiable IQ scores.

you really couldnt figure it out before reading this stuff?

whats your iq? lol
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 28, 2012, 08:30:29 PM
you really couldnt figure it out before reading this stuff?

whats your iq? lol

I had no reason to believe it was fake outright, and I actually checked it to see if it's true--unlike most people.
(It's evidently been floating around the internet for a long time).

It is I that demonstrated it to be false.

My legit IQ is 126. Most people don't know what their IQ is.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 28, 2012, 08:40:44 PM


Hope this helps all of you high IQ geniuses. LOL
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 28, 2012, 08:47:51 PM


Hope this helps all of you high IQ geniuses. LOL

Pathetic.

Because you don't agree with someone's politics doesn't mean they're stupid. I think most people are smart enough to grasp that.
I don't like Obama one bit, but he's probably 120-130 range.

Similarly, if you don't agree with someone's religious views or lifestyle, it doesn't invalidate their scientific theories.

You're jealous of Steven Hawkings way with women.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: Nirvana on February 28, 2012, 08:50:59 PM
there is no measure of intelligence. the brain is too complex.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: suckmymuscle on February 28, 2012, 11:08:05 PM
depends on how you define liberal.

if your talking about relative to the u.s. political system... well the facts tend to be a bit liberal in that context.

but defined by ideology, with no regard for the state of politics, those news organizations dont have any partisan bias. they just report whats going on.

  This part of the sentence makes absolutely no sense. It is extremely incoherent and nonsensical.

  You first state that the media tends to be liberal, then claim that they have no partisan bias. Epic self-contradictory drivel.

  Of course the media is liberal, since they report white on black crime but never the opposite, report men on women violence but never take part of the men when on child custody divorce settlements, report on female athletes accomplishments more than male athlete's accomplishments even though male athletes are much better, etc.

  Most media pundits are in favor of feminism, multiculturalism, deny differences between people in genetic characteristics such as intelligence, preach that minorities are poor because they are exploited by evil white men, etc. Classic liberalism.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: Naggash on February 29, 2012, 12:06:35 AM
So that is why Coach identifies with him so much
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 29, 2012, 03:10:00 AM
how about the voters of obama?

Anyone who blames ATMs and the Internet for jb losses like Obama does is a certified idiot.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: tonymctones on February 29, 2012, 04:09:29 AM
I had no reason to believe it was fake outright, and I actually checked it to see if it's true--unlike most people.
(It's evidently been floating around the internet for a long time).

It is I that demonstrated it to be false.

My legit IQ is 126. Most people don't know what their IQ is.
common sense should have been your cue but hey i guess that 126 iq is serving you well ;)
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: dario73 on February 29, 2012, 11:47:45 AM

Did you read that Carter has a verifiable IQ of 176?? Carter is a super brain.
Not hard at all to believe the president of the biggest power in history (pre-Bush dynasty) is super intelligent.

Hey, moron! Carter was the worst president ever. He is about to be surpassed by the current genius sitting in the oval office. So much for IQ.

Are you sure you are not a warehouse worker?
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: dario73 on February 29, 2012, 11:52:17 AM
Pathetic.

Because you don't agree with someone's politics doesn't mean they're stupid. I think most people are smart enough to grasp that.
I don't like Obama one bit, but he's probably 120-130 range.

Similarly, if you don't agree with someone's religious views or lifestyle, it doesn't invalidate their scientific theories.

You're jealous of Steven Hawkings way with women.

Well, you are the idiot that actually believes that Bush has a 91 IQ. The reason you believe that is because you are a left wing, democrat nut licker.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: A Professional on February 29, 2012, 05:03:36 PM
Hey, moron! Carter was the worst president ever. He is about to be surpassed by the current genius sitting in the oval office. So much for IQ.

Wow, on GB you always have to repeat yourself. And if they can't find anything, they'll sure as hell just make shit up and put words in your mouth!
How many times does it have to be stated dumbass??? It's been said by me and other people a million times:
a person's intelligence/IQ is something independent of their political beliefs/morals.

I'll make and exception for the super-geniuses...someone in a range of 176+ would probably come to the same conclusions as other people in that range, due to seeing all the possibilities and angles. But that's speculative, and below that level, we're all influenced by bias and personal experience, and a billion other factors...

Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Roosevelt, were all undoubtedly highly intelligent men, yet they were diametrically opposed to each other.
But in your simple, black and white world, if someone is good (that is, agreeable to your self-centered ass), they must be smart, and if you don't agree with someone, there's no way they could be intelligent. This is one-dimensional, simpleton thinking. And it's precisely why comic book terms like, 'Axis of Evil', work so effectively at manipulating the thoughts of simpleton Republicans such as yourself.

So there you are, waiting in the wings to jump on a statement and flood me with FOX News soundbites, and other shit you're regurgitating from the talking heads that own your mind. The talking heads got you all pumped and primed and armed with soundbites.

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Are you sure you are not a warehouse worker?

I've lived in some of the most expensive areas: Hollywood Hills, Marina Del Rey... pretty sure.

common sense should have been your cue but hey i guess that 126 iq is serving you well ;)

I never 100% believed the article was true, just like I never fully believe articles like that. If I did I wouldn't have checked the veracity of it.
I posted it because it makes for an interesting discussion. And anyway, so what? I corrected it and admitted it was wrong.
It's obviously VERY important to you that you feel like you won some little victory over me, so I'll give this to you if it serves your self-esteem.  ;)

Well, you are the idiot that actually believes that Bush has a 91 IQ. The reason you believe that is because you are a left wing, democrat nut licker.

Yes, because it's really unbelievable that a guy that wrestles with his native tongue has an IQ on the lower side of average.

I've given no indication that I'm a democrat jackass. I'm both a libertarian and a socialist--depending upon the circumstances. But you think in terms of black and white.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: Benny B on March 05, 2012, 12:00:52 PM
  FOX is an exception. It is the only conservative media outlet. CNN, NBC, CBS, etc, are all clearly liberal.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Give a couple of clear examples of liberal bias by the three major networks (ABC,CBS,NBC) occurring DURING THE NIGHTLY EVENING NEWS.
Should not be difficult if there is a "clear liberal bias" as you state.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: Benny B on March 06, 2012, 09:58:43 AM
Give a couple of clear examples of liberal bias by the three major networks (ABC,CBS,NBC) occurring DURING THE NIGHTLY EVENING NEWS.
Should not be difficult if there is a "clear liberal bias" as you state.
Title: Re: George W has IQ of 91 according to study
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 06, 2012, 10:00:48 AM


Sanchez anybody?