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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: MrBigandCut on March 15, 2012, 02:23:54 PM
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Got myself some T3 for the first time but unsure how to take it as a first time user? They are called Levothyroxine and are 100 microgram tabs! 100 seems high doseage when most of the talk on this board seems in the 25 to 50 range? I was thinking of taking them first thing in the morning with my cardio on empty stomach and 4ius of gh and 40mg clen? What doseage is good to start 25 ? Do I cut these tabs into quarters then to start on 25mg as they seem real small and could be a bit of a mission to cut them at all?
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you got t4,that shit is useless,throw it away and get T3(tyromel,cytomel,l-triodotironin)
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you got t4,that shit is useless,throw it away and get T3(tyromel,cytomel,l-triodotironin)
Oh crap! Just got taken again then! Learning the drugs game the hard way!!!!!!! :(
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These t4's really no good at all then?
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if you take 300-400 mg they could work,but t3 is the real deal ;)
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Ok I'll get on the case tomorrow and get some proper t3! Thanks
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Once you get some T3, you can run up to 100mcg ED no problem as long as you are on some AAS.
I usually start at 25mcg and ramp up by 25mcg every 2 weeks or so. I usually don't need more than 75-100mcg of T3 to get me extremely lean. I also ramp back down. A lot of people don't think ramping is needed, but i get jittery on T3 if i jump on a large dose right off the bat.
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Once you get some T3, you can run up to 100mcg ED no problem as long as you are on some AAS.
I usually start at 25mcg and ramp up by 25mcg every 2 weeks or so. I usually don't need more than 75-100mcg of T3 to get me extremely lean. I also ramp back down. A lot of people don't think ramping is needed, but i get jittery on T3 if i jump on a large dose right off the bat.
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Good advice, would any of this t4 work with it or is it best to just bin it?
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Good advice, would any of this t4 work with it or is it best to just bin it?
Definatly dont bin it. T4 has its uses, save it for a rainy day.
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Definatly dont bin it. T4 has its uses, save it for a rainy day.
Ok when would be a good time to use it then?
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I concur.
Might as well keep it around. I'm not a fan of it, but some people like using T4.
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Ok when would be a good time to use it then?
Many people beleive in supplementing T4 when using HgH for long periods of time.
Many people experience an overall better balance using T4 with T3.
Research if your deadset on using it Asap but basically it has its uses so hang on to it.
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Poking around a bit on the net a lot of bodybuildes claim that t4 works well if your on gh. Just 100cmg a day can beat off some of the thyroid suppression caused by long term gh use? Anyone here go along with that? ???
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When I get my t3 through this week was thinking of running like 50cmg to start with? Taking it first thing in the morning before cardio on empty stomach to try and capitalise on the increased heart rate etc would this be ok to do or do you really need to eat first?
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When I get my t3 through this week was thinking of running like 50cmg to start with? Taking it first thing in the morning before cardio on empty stomach to try and capitalise on the increased heart rate etc would this be ok to do or do you really need to eat first?
No opinions? Could really do with some help with this shit guys?
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No opinions? Could really do with some help with this shit guys?
Yea man thats a good plan.
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When I get my t3 through this week was thinking of running like 50cmg to start with? Taking it first thing in the morning before cardio on empty stomach to try and capitalise on the increased heart rate etc would this be ok to do or do you really need to eat first?
This is a good plan.
If you go higher than 50mcg, split it into two doses.
Good luck!
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Thanks guys! Overload do experience any sleeping problems taking your 2nd dose later in the day? ???
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Thanks guys! Overload do experience any sleeping problems taking your 2nd dose later in the day? ???
I notice that i get a bit jittery for about 2-3 hours after i take it, but it has never hurt my sleep. I usually take the second does around 3pm and I'm in bed by 11pm.
Some people get wired off T3; i get a little jittery and i sweat more than normal, but it doesn't effect me like a stimulant does.
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Thanks guys! Overload do experience any sleeping problems taking your 2nd dose later in the day? ???
if anything it makes me sleep alot more, like heavy sleep before work, get to work, come home train, sleep 2 hours, get up eat, then sleep another 12 before work again, but we're all different:)
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T3 should be arriving on Thursday this week! Would it be ok to run the t4 along side it? Some say that long term gh can make thyroid productions sluggish on both t3 and t4 so any benefit in doing both? Or is that a bit overkill? Was thinking of running 50 t3 and 100 t4? Would it be best to take each one at different times of day or both at the same time? Is it a good idea to taper doses up and down like with T3 as well? Any thoughts guys would be much appreciated! :)
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Effects of T3
T3 increases the basal metabolic rate and, thus, increases the body's oxygen and energy consumption. The basal metabolic rate is the minimal caloric requirement needed to sustain life in a resting individual. T3 acts on the majority of tissues within the body, with a few exceptions including the spleen and testis. It increases the production of the Na+/K+ -ATPase and, in general, increases the turnover of different endogenous macromolecules by increasing their synthesis and degradation.
Protein
T3 stimulates the production of RNA Polymerase I and II and, therefore, increases the rate of protein synthesis. It also increases the rate of protein degradation, and, in excess, the rate of protein degradation exceeds the rate of protein synthesis. In such situations, the body may go into negative ion balance.
Glucose
T3 potentiates the effects of the β-adrenergic receptors on the metabolism of glucose. Therefore, it increases the rate of glycogen breakdown and glucose synthesis in gluconeogenesis.
Lipids
T3 stimulates the breakdown of cholesterol and increases the number of LDL receptors, thereby increasing the rate of lipolysis.
Heart
T3 increases the heart rate and force of contraction, thus increasing cardiac output, by increasing β-adrenergic receptor levels in myocardium.[6] This results in increased systolic blood pressure and decreased diastolic blood pressure. The latter two effects act to produce the typical bounding pulse seen in hyperthyroidism.[citation needed]
Development
T3 has profound effect upon the developing embryo and infants. It affects the lungs and influences the postnatal growth of the central nervous system. It stimulates the production of myelin, the production of neurotransmitters, and the growth of axons. It is also important in the linear growth of bones.
Neurotransmitters
T3 may increase serotonin in the brain, in particular in the cerebral cortex, and down-regulate 5HT-2 receptors, based on studies in which T3 reversed learned helplessness in rats and physiological studies of the rat brain.
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do not underestimate how strong t3 is
i'd personally start at 25mcg and top off at say 35-40mcg depending on how much gear your on
from personal exp. even on 800mg of gear and 75mcg t3
i was loosing muscle.
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t4 is not useless, just very weak. you'll have to run a lot of it. i prefer t3 as it's easier to find a dose because you can go by feel so much easier with a shorter acting hormone vs something with a 1 week bio-half life
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I notice that i get a bit jittery for about 2-3 hours after i take it, but it has never hurt my sleep. I usually take the second does around 3pm and I'm in bed by 11pm.
Some people get wired off T3; i get a little jittery and i sweat more than normal, but it doesn't effect me like a stimulant does.
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Do you think running T3 at a low dose (25mcg-50mcg) tapering up and down for 6 weeks without AS is stupid? I am currently at roughly 16% BF. 227lbs.
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t4 is not useless, just very weak. you'll have to run a lot of it. i prefer t3 as it's easier to find a dose because you can go by feel so much easier with a shorter acting hormone vs something with a 1 week bio-half life
Ok but if I use both T3 and T4 at lower doses won't I achieve a syngenistic response that's better than just using one with less chance of muscle loss. That seems to be the man problem in using high dose t3 you can loss muscle on it?????
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Well you can if you run high amounts with no roids.Once you have 1 gram of aas like you do,you can go to 150 t3 without problems ;)
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Do you think running T3 [...] without AS is stupid?
Yes.
depends on how much mass you want to lose but you'll lose a lot of muscle.
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Ok but if I use both T3 and T4 at lower doses won't I achieve a syngenistic response that's better than just using one with less chance of muscle loss. That seems to be the man problem in using high dose t3 you can loss muscle on it?????
t4 to t3 conversion gets reduced and reverse t3 increases. t4 it self does impart some effect on cells but it's very minute and t3 is going to be the main active thyroid hormone in the body.
they both will have the same effect though. if it helps to simplify things, view t4 as a long estered version of test which is comprised mostly of the inactive lipid ester giving it a long half life, compared to Test-No-Ester which acts immediately and more potently however only lasts for a day.
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Ok got my t3 today comes in 25mg tabs so will start tomorrow with 25mg and ramp it up as I feel necessary! Is it ok to take clen with this as well? Was going to take a rest from the efferdrine for a couple of weeks but I'm I ok to add the clen at 80 cmg at the same time, first thing in the morning on empty stomach before my cardio???
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keep an eye on heart rate and BP
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keep an eye on heart rate and BP
Yes I always wear a heart rate monitor when I do cardio prehaps I will take the t3 on its own first thing before cardio and add the clen in after I have finished. Is the t3 likely to push my heart rate way up then? ??? Or are you implying that it is not advisable to take both clen & t3 together ? ???
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t3 will increase heart rate and bp as well. clen has a 1 1/2 day half life so technically it shouldn't matter when you take it, but clen seems to always hit me harder within the hours right after taking it then the jittery malaise begins to subside and i just feel wired.
i can't really do legs when i'm on clen. i feel like i'm going to lose consciousness. maybe that's just me but i can't do any squats, even light, or deadlifts. pull ups will make me feel a bit light headed.
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Yes.
depends on how much mass you want to lose but you'll lose a lot of muscle.
Thanks! Great info in this thread.
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Do you think running T3 at a low dose (25mcg-50mcg) tapering up and down for 6 weeks without AS is stupid? I am currently at roughly 16% BF. 227lbs.
I don't think it's stupid, but it's not the best option IMO.
I recommend that you have some AAS in your system before using T3. But i do know people who use it without AAS with great results. I just think it's really easy to overuse it when you are clean.
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I don't think it's stupid, but it's not the best option IMO.
I recommend that you have some AAS in your system before using T3. But i do know people who use it without AAS with great results. I just think it's really easy to overuse it when you are clean.
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Thanks for the info! Good to hear you know people first hand that have had success. Many people say it's a bad idea to run T3 without AS, as it will burn muscle, but nobody knows anyone who has tried it without AS.
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Thanks for the info! Good to hear you know people first hand that have had success. Many people say it's a bad idea to run T3 without AS, as it will burn muscle, but nobody knows anyone who has tried it without AS.
Any dieting as a natural is going to end up as massive muscle lose so whether you take t3 or not it's a lose lose situation muscle wise so I wouldn't worry about it too much. Clen might be a better option tho as its mildly anabolic and more importantly anti catabolic but if your going to go to the trouble of taking sone drugs to help you why not take some anvar along side which might help you even more! :)
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Thanks for the info! Good to hear you know people first hand that have had success. Many people say it's a bad idea to run T3 without AS, as it will burn muscle, but nobody knows anyone who has tried it without AS.
People use it without AAS all the time. I have personally used 50mcg with nothing other than 6iu of GH and i didn't have problems, but i used it as the finishing touch to get the last few pounds off. I was already 7% or so before i used it.
There are much better and easier ways to lose weight when you are clean. I think T3 for a clean person is a last resort. I know guys who run 50mcg every summer to get lean and they don't touch steroids. I wouldn't run it for long though.
Clen is a good choice, but it makes me very panicky and in general makes me feel like crap. I try to stay away from any compounds that have a negative impact on my daily well being.
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If using GH then I would suggest Armour thryroid it is a balance of both t3 and t4 ,, 1-3 ,, 25 mg t3 and 75mg t4 ,, thus giving you a the ability to utilize more of your GH ,, it is also very beneficial for those running higher doses of tren as it will decrease lethargic sides which usually occumpany it.. over 400MG for most ..
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If using GH then I would suggest Armour thryroid it is a balance of both t3 and t4 ,, 1-3 ,, 25 mg t3 and 75mg t4 ,, thus giving you a the ability to utilize more of your GH ,, it is also very beneficial for those running higher doses of tren as it will decrease lethargic sides which usually occumpany it.. over 400MG for most ..
How much of this product would you take daily? I was thinking of taking 25mg t3 and 100mg of T4 to mimick the effect you are getting with your armour! If it helps gh uptake surely not a bad idea for all of us Gh er's to help get the best out of our products? ???
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Have you checked your thyroid? what is your age wight bf ? what are you running ATM ? how long have you been using GH without Thyroid Med...
Then I can give you a much more accurate and safe protocol (because I believe thyroid, CNS, and Pititary are the most dangerous in ones body if these are out of wack it will take a hell of a lot of work to get them back to normal....
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Have you checked your thyroid? what is your age wight bf ? what are you running ATM ? how long have you been using GH without Thyroid Med...
Then I can give you a much more accurate and safe protocol (because I believe thyroid, CNS, and Pititary are the most dangerous in ones body if these are out of wack it will take a hell of a lot of work to get them back to normal....
Been on heavier doseages of aas since aug but at present running tren/mast/test prop at 25/ 50/25 ed clen 40cmg efferdrine 60cmg present weight 210 at 10% b/f. Been on gh for 9 months continuous between 4-8ius per day, but got the metabolism of a snail! Have to do cardio twice a day at perhaps average of 100 mins a day to maintain this 10 % that I have got to ! Age 43 years never taken any thyroid meds so far!
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Does anyone notice extreme lethargy on t3 or no? I've been getting really tired lately on 100mcg...
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Does anyone notice extreme lethargy on t3 or no? I've been getting really tired lately on 100mcg...
Years ago I had undiagnosed Hyperthyroid. I believe your natural t3/t4 are about 80% t3 20% t4.. When finally diagnosed my levels were found to 20 times the normal. My symptoms were exteme hyperactivity daily followed by complete exhaustion daily. My body was burning itself out. I was hot, sweaty, shaky and began to halucinate at night. I went form a solid 220 to 177 and looked like shit. I was heavily into Martial arts and lifting and was working out 4 hours a day. I ate like a horse constantly and could not put on weight. I thought I was just overtraining and thats why I couldnt put on the weight. So yes, I was very lathargic because my body was exhausted. I had my thyroid burned out (Radiation and on T4 ever since) I'v just ordered some t3 to lean out,
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Does anyone notice extreme lethargy on t3 or no? I've been getting really tired lately on 100mcg...
kinda sounds like me trying 100mcg at once
than having a big meal after it
fucking felll asleep... woke up in a puddle of sweat
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on 175mg tren a week and 4-8 IUS of gh you should be able to maintain 10% easily,,, You should better look into your diet,, and Ephedrine will just make your insulin sensitivity go down and have your hunger thrown out the window it will also lower your t3 so basically after converting all of this you will be using less than 12.5mg t3,, I think you should stop the Ephedrine... dose your Gh 4IUs morning and pre cardio to utilize more fat storage ,,,If you do cardio in the morning on empty stomach I would do 4IUS 1cup of coffee 25mg T3 , 75mg t4,, hit the treadmill 30 minutes later ,, follow that meal with protein only then 1 hr later have a carb/pro meal and if training later on dose the 4IU post workout
The cycle is good if fatloss and maintenance is your goal however it would be more beneficial to run things in this manner if Fatloss/ muscle maintenance without calorie ristriction is the main goal,, results will not happen over nite but with no changes to gear and slight timing adjustments and meal planning you can easily get down to an appreciable 6-7% over a 1-2 month periods ,, if you know your body and eat clean foods,, if you try to do this eating brownies and fried chicken then no amount of t3 t4 will help drop body fat
Remember 1 Drug cannot change a physique its a combination of things in a certain manner that will change things,, just certain drugs make things easily or attainable at a much more excellerated rate...
congrats on the 210 10% very nice brotha
That is my 2 cents
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on 175mg tren a week and 4-8 IUS of gh you should be able to maintain 10% easily,,, You should better look into your diet,, and Ephedrine will just make your insulin sensitivity go down and have your hunger thrown out the window it will also lower your t3 so basically after converting all of this you will be using less than 12.5mg t3,, I think you should stop the Ephedrine... dose your Gh 4IUs morning and pre cardio to utilize more fat storage ,,,If you do cardio in the morning on empty stomach I would do 4IUS 1cup of coffee 25mg T3 , 75mg t4,, hit the treadmill 30 minutes later ,, follow that meal with protein only then 1 hr later have a carb/pro meal and if training later on dose the 4IU post workout
The cycle is good if fatloss and maintenance is your goal however it would be more beneficial to run things in this manner if Fatloss/ muscle maintenance without calorie ristriction is the main goal,, results will not happen over nite but with no changes to gear and slight timing adjustments and meal planning you can easily get down to an appreciable 6-7% over a 1-2 month periods ,, if you know your body and eat clean foods,, if you try to do this eating brownies and fried chicken then no amount of t3 t4 will help drop body fat
Remember 1 Drug cannot change a physique its a combination of things in a certain manner that will change things,, just certain drugs make things easily or attainable at a much more excellerated rate...
congrats on the 210 10% very nice brotha
That is my 2 cents
Thanks for the great advise bro that all makes good sense! Fact is I am actually dieting for a show in 5 weeks so my diet is very clean, I have been having the occasional bit of crap biut 90% clean . The show I am doing is very low standard so I know if I can get 6-7% I should pick up something. Like I said I have the slowest metab in the world and have always had to do lots of cardio to get in shape. I run out of effedrine yesterday and was thinking of giving that a break anyway as I have been on it for about 10 weeks now. Was going to push the clen up to 80 cmg now as well and start pushing the tren/mast/test prop up gradually from week to week but only as high as 100/100/100. I am on Chinese Gh and reckon there is a lot of water to come out from that so was going to drop it out now to kind of have an 8 week break and also to see if there is much water in it or I'm just fat!! Lol Does this all make sense to you bro?? Thanks again for you input!!
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People use it without AAS all the time. I have personally used 50mcg with nothing other than 6iu of GH and i didn't have problems, but i used it as the finishing touch to get the last few pounds off. I was already 7% or so before i used it.
There are much better and easier ways to lose weight when you are clean. I think T3 for a clean person is a last resort. I know guys who run 50mcg every summer to get lean and they don't touch steroids. I wouldn't run it for long though.
Clen is a good choice, but it makes me very panicky and in general makes me feel like crap. I try to stay away from any compounds that have a negative impact on my daily well being.
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running t3 and gh isn't exactly natural lol. but gh will counteract the effects of t3's catabolism to some extent depending on both dosages (vial a day + 100mcg of t3 will bring someone to 'natural' status with regard to nitrogen loss). however, aas + gh + t3 is the best route as it cuts muscle catabolism to 1/4 what it would be when natural + using t3 (aas is the key here though, doesn't matter what kind, tren is the best choice obviously).
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Had my first t3 today! And upped my clen to 80cmg! Definitely feel something happening like a popping feeling were my body was feeding off my fat and also my neck was pulsing a bit as well at certain times during the day!! :)
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Quick question tho how long does it take for your thyroid to start shutting down its natural production whilst taking t3?
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Got myself some T3 for the first time but unsure how to take it as a first time user? They are called Levothyroxine and are 100 microgram tabs! 100 seems high doseage when most of the talk on this board seems in the 25 to 50 range? I was thinking of taking them first thing in the morning with my cardio on empty stomach and 4ius of gh and 40mg clen? What doseage is good to start 25 ? Do I cut these tabs into quarters then to start on 25mg as they seem real small and could be a bit of a mission to cut them at all?
Dude, T4 has to get converted in your body to T3 before your body can utilize it ( in layman's term) . So if you use T4, your essentially using T3 as well, but your body will have to do the extra work to convert it to T3 before using it, so your better off just using T3 so its ready to be utilized by your body. T4 is kinda like getting a hooker, and still having to sweet talk her into giving up the pussy, hell, if your getting a hooker, she should walk in and spread it for you... same with thyroid medications, if your gonna use it, use the one thats ready to be used by your body
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So how come some meds contain both t3 and t4 such as armour?
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Because it allows you to get the most out of the t3,, T4 is very beneficial when in combination with t3 as it keeps your body producing t3,, so the 75 Mg of t4 will likely convert into 25mg t3 probably 12.5 mg ,, however it is not shutting you down because your body will still be producing t3 and you will be still benefitting from it,,,