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How many of the steroid users or simply people who support the right to supplement care about political issues? If you do, who will you vote for in the upcoming presidential election...Obama or his opponent?
If you have an opinion, please share it and why. If you don't care, please share why you don't care.
Further, would a candidate's beliefs regarding the steroid laws of the U.S. or the beliefs of those he surrounds himself with affect your decision in any way? If so, why?
Been curious about this for awhile, curios as to if any of the steroid users on getbig.com actually give this any thought.
Share away!
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ITS A BLACK MARKET GAME, AND LACKS QUALITY CONTROL. IT'S ILLEGAL REGARDLESS, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA STOP US.
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ITS A BLACK MARKET GAME, AND LACKS QUALITY CONTROL. IT'S ILLEGAL REGARDLESS, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA STOP US.
True, the "War on Steroids" will never be won...it can't due to the manner by-which it's fought, and to change the fighting manner would take away the only legitimacy the government has for the basis of this war. Even so, that doesn't answer my questions from above...still, thanks for sharing.
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as much as I would love for gear to be legal think about how broke all the UGL'sm would go! even guys who sell human grade would be out of the biz. It's hard seeing a schedule 3 drug being released to buy over the counter. I honestly do not know why they scheduled steroids to begin with and now oprohormones are even considered schedule 3 drugs so I think they will remain illegal especially with all the negative press gjuys like jose casnseco brought up against steroids! Jose had a big mouth and dropped alot of names and then there was the big victor conte Balco scandal. I think the day of legalo steroids are over! especially since they even scheduled prohormones. Hell 1-AD is a schedule 3 drug just a shitty precursor to 1-Tesosterone. !~ Test is a great steroid but 1-AD has to convert to 1-Test. they government shits on steroids. Nobody in office wamts them legal,even though alot of cops and DEA agents abuse them. I think the government assumes if you need them you should go to a doctor and get a legal prescription.
I know of one walk -in doctor who will prescribed steroids. He is foreign and 72yes old and really has no idea what they are. so he writes them out. mainly just to cash pay patients. He does the same thing with alot of scheduled drugs.I guess all we can do is prey because outlawing steroids just makes a big black mrket full of not do great of products. barely any uGL's are any good. If you order from overseas you will have better luck getting good gear. even these supposive master chefs do not make nything that special,alot of shortcutts are taken.
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as much as I would love for gear to be legal think about how broke all the UGL'sm would go! even guys who sell human grade would be out of the biz. It's hard seeing a schedule 3 drug being released to buy over the counter. I honestly do not know why they scheduled steroids to begin with and now oprohormones are even considered schedule 3 drugs so I think they will remain illegal especially with all the negative press gjuys like jose casnseco brought up against steroids! Jose had a big mouth and dropped alot of names and then there was the big victor conte Balco scandal. I think the day of legalo steroids are over! especially since they even scheduled prohormones. Hell 1-AD is a schedule 3 drug just a shitty precursor to 1-Tesosterone. !~ Test is a great steroid but 1-AD has to convert to 1-Test. they government shits on steroids. Nobody in office wamts them legal,even though alot of cops and DEA agents abuse them. I think the government assumes if you need them you should go to a doctor and get a legal prescription.
I know of one walk -in doctor who will prescribed steroids. He is foreign and 72yes old and really has no idea what they are. so he writes them out. mainly just to cash pay patients. He does the same thing with alot of scheduled drugs.I guess all we can do is prey because outlawing steroids just makes a big black mrket full of not do great of products. barely any uGL's are any good. If you order from overseas you will have better luck getting good gear. even these supposive master chefs do not make nything that special,alot of shortcutts are taken.
Problem is today the doctor is not the issue. My doc will write me scripts for test as long as I want, but the fucking pharmacy is starting to be assholes now. The head pharmacist called me and started to bitch about the frequency of my pickups blah blah. I told her to mind her business and that my doctor approves and my insurance approves so why does she have issues?
I tried walmart pharmacy a while back. Any controlled substance they are assholes about. They want to call your doctor, get extra verification blah blah. Same with Costco. Fucking pharmacies are being the pricks.
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WW I hear you, yes legalization would drive the dealer out of business, and as there are a few decent human beings who sell steroids that would be a shame in that regard...of course, as you would admit yourself, the vast majority of the suppliers are worthless.
Even so, even if the few good suppliers had to find a new line of work, would not what was gained outweigh this? Legal steroids would mean high quality steroids could be purchased every single time, legality would drive the price down even more (assuming they're not taxed to death - another argument) and new steroids would hit the market. We know there are numerous anabolic compounds that have never hit the market due to the law as it stands...these are powerful and even safer steroids than we already have.
Anyway, you're right, it is hard to make a Schedule III drug an OTC item, but take away the Schedule III label and the problem is solved...that's the first step, after all there's no AAS that meets the Schedule III requirements, not even Schedule IV...classifying them as a Legend would be about as far as common sense could allow us to take it and even that's a stretch.
Yes mon_of_steele, some of these pharmacies can be a big problem. They can be very difficult but it's mostly because they're scared to death. Every last drop of any scheduled item they sell is checked thoroughly to the point of a frightful nature.
Anyway, I have to say, on one hand I'm a little surprised that no one seems to have any interest in the main topic of this thread...then again, I'm not. The lack of interest greatly proves a theory I've held to for a long time regarding the very reason AAS remain Schedule III substances.
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All politicians are liars. We lose whomever we vote for. The world is a shitty place for the most part.
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All politicians are liars. We lose whomever we vote for. The world is a shitty place for the most part.
I'm sure Jefferson, Franklin, Washington and all the rest felt the same way, but instead of crying about injustice they did something about it.
How does that apply to steroids? If there were ever a group of people who could so easily change a law this would be it...but we're stuck in a "woe is me" mentality or one of a petrified nature long since forgetting the power and rights we actually hold. Of course, this applies to other areas of life as well, just focusing on steroids here.
The main problem in the United States, when it comes to steroids or any problems we have...the U.S. seriously lacks men...it is a dying and endangered species.
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How many of the steroid users or simply people who support the right to supplement care about political issues? If you do, who will you vote for in the upcoming presidential election...Obama or his opponent?
If you have an opinion, please share it and why. If you don't care, please share why you don't care.
Further, would a candidate's beliefs regarding the steroid laws of the U.S. or the beliefs of those he surrounds himself with affect your decision in any way? If so, why?
Been curious about this for awhile, curios as to if any of the steroid users on getbig.com actually give this any thought.
Share away!
Ron Paul is the only candidate who treats us like adults, sadly he got screwed by the relgious idiots who vote in the primaries.
I would never vote obama, obviously he is a liar and a snake, and romney is even worse.
Either way this country is fucked
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How many of the steroid users or simply people who support the right to supplement care about political issues? If you do, who will you vote for in the upcoming presidential election...Obama or his opponent?
If you have an opinion, please share it and why. If you don't care, please share why you don't care.
Further, would a candidate's beliefs regarding the steroid laws of the U.S. or the beliefs of those he surrounds himself with affect your decision in any way? If so, why?
Been curious about this for awhile, curios as to if any of the steroid users on getbig.com actually give this any thought.
Share away!
You can't sit and worry about what politcians promise or not promise or how they want to control your lives. There is a reason why the black market exists and is a multi-trillion dollar world wide industry making more money than all fortune 500 companies combined/
People will get what they want regardless of consequences and obstacles their way.
If anything Marijuana has FAR less harmful effects on your body than steroids but that is illegal.
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Ron Paul is the only candidate who treats us like adults, sadly he got screwed by the relgious idiots who vote in the primaries.
I would never vote obama, obviously he is a liar and a snake, and romney is even worse.
Either way this country is fucked
I've heard others make the same statement regarding Paul, and he is without question the one candidate that actually understand what liberty truly is. Still, I find it humorous when people blame the religious right for him not doing better in the primaries...after all, Paul is religious himself. Sadly, religious or not, I don't think this has anything to do with Paul's lacking ability to do better....the lacking surrounds no one understands what liberty is anymore....all they care about is what are you going to give me.
You can't sit and worry about what politcians promise or not promise or how they want to control your lives. There is a reason why the black market exists and is a multi-trillion dollar world wide industry making more money than all fortune 500 companies combined/
People will get what they want regardless of consequences and obstacles their way.
If anything Marijuana has FAR less harmful effects on your body than steroids but that is illegal.
Multi-trillion? I don't know about that, but it is a large amount. Either way, there could be a lot more money made if the law didn't exist as it does, but the short term would result in a major hit to the pharmaceutical market, but it is one that would recover.
The marijuana argument...if people want to smoke and it's harming no one else I have no problem with this. Even so, I wouldn't call putting any kind of smoke in your lungs healthy. Further, while there may indeed be some stronger risks with steroidal use, the benefits of use far outweigh the benefits of marijuana, and with half a brain it's a very positive relationship. Stats don't lie...anabolic steroids users, not all but as a majority are healthier than those who do not supplement and take fewer other prescription drugs than most any other group on earth...that can't be a coincidence.
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I've heard others make the same statement regarding Paul, and he is without question the one candidate that actually understand what liberty truly is. Still, I find it humorous when people blame the religious right for him not doing better in the primaries...after all, Paul is religious himself. Sadly, religious or not, I don't think this has anything to do with Paul's lacking ability to do better....the lacking surrounds no one understands what liberty is anymore....all they care about is what are you going to give me.
Multi-trillion? I don't know about that, but it is a large amount. Either way, there could be a lot more money made if the law didn't exist as it does, but the short term would result in a major hit to the pharmaceutical market, but it is one that would recover.
The marijuana argument...if people want to smoke and it's harming no one else I have no problem with this. Even so, I wouldn't call putting any kind of smoke in your lungs healthy. Further, while there may indeed be some stronger risks with steroidal use, the benefits of use far outweigh the benefits of marijuana, and with half a brain it's a very positive relationship. Stats don't lie...anabolic steroids users, not all but as a majority are healthier than those who do not supplement and take fewer other prescription drugs than most any other group on earth...that can't be a coincidence.
Yes multi-trillion
Just drugs alone is close to 1/2 trillion and that is second to illegal arms. Then the rest of the list goes on and on...
By the 1970s and 1980s, the international drug trade had taken on many of the key features we recognize today, the most notable of which are its pervasiveness and its scale. According to a United Nations survey, the worldwide dollar value of illegal drugs is second only to the amount spent on the arms trade. Estimating the value of an illegal enterprise carried on in dozens of currencies around the world is tremendously difficult, but the United Nations Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention generally describes the production, trafficking and sales of illicit drugs as a $400-billion-a-year industry.(3)
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I thought you were saying the steroid market alone was a trillion dollar market...my mistake. I didn't realize you were talking about all black market activity...in that case, you're right.
Even so, while black market is black market it's hard to put the steroid market into the same class of other black market activities. It's customer base is unlike any other, and this also holds true to the brunt of suppliers. That's one of the main reasons if not the main reason the war on steroids will never be won. It's approached like any other black market endeavor and on that basis it fails. Of course, it has to be approached this way or it loses all of what little credibility it holds again making it an even more impossible war to win more so than any other black market topic.
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I will comment more about this later.
The first step is getting Biden out of any place of power.
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I will comment more about this later.
The first step is getting Biden out of any place of power.
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If you were a woman, I would have just fell in love with you! Biden is one of about a dozen that are the problem.
Sort of a side-note to this overall question...it's not a coincidence that the majority of those who brought us the Steroid Control Acts of 1990 and 2004 are by-and-large the same ones who brought us Obama Care...in-fact, Obama Care could not exist without the Steroid Control Acts. If there were ever a perfect cover....this is it.
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If you were a woman, I would have just fell in love with you! Biden is one of about a dozen that are the problem.
Sort of a side-note to this overall question...it's not a coincidence that the majority of those who brought us the Steroid Control Acts of 1990 and 2004 are by-and-large the same ones who brought us Obama Care...in-fact, Obama Care could not exist without the Steroid Control Acts. If there were ever a perfect cover....this is it.
There are a thousand Biden's waiting behind the curtain.
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AJ, you can debate politics all day long and everything will remain the same. What changes the course of human existance is time. Unfortunately, you or I, will unlikely be here to see the changes we would like to occur.
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I am not voting in the US but my point of view is this: Steroids being banned is another one of law-makers and governments ways to control and keep people the way they want them to be: just healthy enough to work but not too healthy as to develop own views, wishes and methods. Keep selling highly profitable meds to people to keep them just alive and happy so they can work (thats why the name of the 'peoples' department in companies are called Human Resource. People are to them nothing more but resources that need to be properly used to the good of those that own them).
Let people pay the taxes, give them freedom to buy anything they want (which is that what they decide you can buy) as this will keep their little minds happy, tax them to hell and back and show them how all other parts of the world are even worst off so they will be more then hapy to be living in a 'progressive and civilized' country.
'Governments do not allow steroids for the people to use as they are bad...'.
Dear Government: If steroids are bad please prove it and even more importantly if you care so much about the people more then they care for themselves why is it that in all countires Cigarettes (5mil. people die each year!) and Booze are more then legal...?
Dear government: Why don't you answer, I thought we live in a democracy where the politicians serve the people. That's what they always say at least. No?
Truth: People with power only want....more power. Plain and simple like my oat-meal and d-bols in the morning. Money at all costs. Moral, ethics, equality, opportunity are indeed there...but not to minorities, poor, branded as dumb or terrorist, woman, or anybody outside the circle-jerk of trust of those who made these same rules.
The truth is so simple the mind repells it.
Some good points. In my opinion, the biggest example would be fast food...you can eat yourself into oblivion if you want under the protection of liberty. Another good one is NSAID's like Aspirin...they kill more than 16,000 people in the U.S. alone every year.
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There are a thousand Biden's waiting behind the curtain.
Then stop voting them in.
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AJ, you can debate politics all day long and everything will remain the same. What changes the course of human existance is time. Unfortunately, you or I, will unlikely be here to see the changes we would like to occur.
That's true but not always. Prohibition existed and was abolished with the same generation...why should this be viewed any differently?
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That's true but not always. Prohibition existed and was abolished with the same generation...why should this be viewed any differently?
Politicians are alcoholics for the most part. Any other examples?
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Then stop voting them in.
You can't win in this country though. You vot republican and you get George McFlysuit pointing out Tom Brady and demonizing steroids in his state of the union. You vote in democrats and you get Obama with Biden in tow.
American politcs is reaching a critical point of no return. The 2 party system is just shit up shit. Which shit do you choose today sir?
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You can't win in this country though. You vot republican and you get George McFlysuit pointing out Tom Brady and demonizing steroids in his state of the union. You vote in democrats and you get Obama with Biden in tow.
American politcs is reaching a critical point of no return. The 2 party system is just shit up shit. Which shit do you choose today sir?
yup
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That's true but not always. Prohibition existed and was abolished with the same generation...why should this be viewed any differently?
Prohibition affected a huge amount of the population. There are probably 100 people who like a drink vs. those that take steroids. Even the most religious devout people like beer and wine and cheap liquor.
There are millions of homeless people in the US and big portion of them can be found with a paper bag with some sort of alcholic beverage. Very rare you'd see some bum shooting some tren under the fifth street bridge.
My point is the numbers were there to stop prohibition. First thing that needs to be done is reverse the demonization of steroids that has happened over the last couple of decades. The fact that one kid may have commited suicide because he was depressed while on roids made the goverment ban a lot of shit. yet for that 1 kid probably 1000 people commited suicide because their girlfriend dumped them but the gov ain't banning relationships....at least straight relationships that is.
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Prohibition affected a huge amount of the population. There are probably 100 people who like a drink vs. those that take steroids. Even the most religious devout people like beer and wine and cheap liquor.
There are millions of homeless people in the US and big portion of them can be found with a paper bag with some sort of alcholic beverage. Very rare you'd see some bum shooting some tren under the fifth street bridge.
My point is the numbers were there to stop prohibition. First thing that needs to be done is reverse the demonization of steroids that has happened over the last couple of decades. The fact that one kid may have commited suicide because he was depressed while on roids made the goverment ban a lot of shit. yet for that 1 kid probably 1000 people commited suicide because their girlfriend dumped them but the gov ain't banning relationships....at least straight relationships that is.
You make a lot of good points, that I cannot argue with, but there's more too it. Prohibition was put into place for one purpose....it had nothing whatsoever to do with the morality issues surrounding alcohol consumption...however, that did provide some strong support in passing the Volstead Act. In any case, the purpose of Prohibition was to get the government involved in health care, to provide them the right...it failed due to it affecting so many people who actually wish to drink.
As for steroids, the purpose was the same as the Volstead Act, but in this case, while you have six-million plus in the U.S. who supplement for the sole purpose of performance enhancement, that's a fraction compared to alcohol consumption...it is the perfect tool for a process that has been desired by the progressive left for more than a century...and idea largely birthed by T. Roosevelt.
In any case, "First thing that needs to be done is reverse the demonization of steroids that has happened over the last couple of decades." This is spot on. There are those here who often state getting rid of black market scammers and things of that nature is the first step....that's a load of crap. What you just said, that is truth and the ultimate key and it is one that also holds strong promise.
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i will not be voting.
i voted for ron paul in the primary but that's the extent of my political participation. i knew my vote wouldn't matter, we all knew he wasn't going to win but it was more or less just a political statement - but that's what voting is in america, isn't it? i used to think voting was a meaningless gesture, but as i've become more politically aware i've realized that the significance to voting is for the population to give consent to being oppressed by the state, and that is it's only function in our form of democracy.
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i will not be voting.
i voted for ron paul in the primary but that's the extent of my political participation. i knew my vote wouldn't matter, we all knew he wasn't going to win but it was more or less just a political statement - but that's what voting is in america, isn't it? i used to think voting was a meaningless gesture, but as i've become more politically aware i've realized that the significance to voting is for the population to give consent to being oppressed by the state, and that is it's only function in our form of democracy.
What's amazing to me is the people in this country still hold an enormous amount of power...I'd say more so than any country on earth. Granted, little by little it continues to erode but only because we allow it.
So few have the ability anymore to think outside the moment...if that were ever apparent just read nearly every post on the steroid board. In any case, we continue to give our rights away, there's no infringement on liberty in the modern age like the steroid laws of the U.S. yet they exist because the ones who could do something about it have an attitude like the one you displayed above.....scammers in the anabolic market, sure, I can't stand them, but this type of attitude makes me sick to my stomach and any man who shares it I have no respect for.
It's the attitude of a loser.
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what the hell are you talking about?
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WW I hear you, yes legalization would drive the dealer out of business, and as there are a few decent human beings who sell steroids that would be a shame in that regard...of course, as you would admit yourself, the vast majority of the suppliers are worthless.
Even so, even if the few good suppliers had to find a new line of work, would not what was gained outweigh this? Legal steroids would mean high quality steroids could be purchased every single time, legality would drive the price down even more (assuming they're not taxed to death - another argument) and new steroids would hit the market. We know there are numerous anabolic compounds that have never hit the market due to the law as it stands...these are powerful and even safer steroids than we already have.
Anyway, you're right, it is hard to make a Schedule III drug an OTC item, but take away the Schedule III label and the problem is solved...that's the first step, after all there's no AAS that meets the Schedule III requirements, not even Schedule IV...classifying them as a Legend would be about as far as common sense could allow us to take it and even that's a stretch.
Yes mon_of_steele, some of these pharmacies can be a big problem. They can be very difficult but it's mostly because they're scared to death. Every last drop of any scheduled item they sell is checked thoroughly to the point of a frightful nature.
Anyway, I have to say, on one hand I'm a little surprised that no one seems to have any interest in the main topic of this thread...then again, I'm not. The lack of interest greatly proves a theory I've held to for a long time regarding the very reason AAS remain Schedule III substances.
I am totally down for legal steroids. But I just do not see it happening because they are even making weak pro-hormones schedule 3 drugs! It just gets sicker and sicker. I really wish steroid were never scheduled to begin with. I think you are right! the quality would go up and the prices would be good and you wouldn't have to be worried about what you are shooting in your body. I think it would be a perfect solution for driving out the ugl's who sell poison. there are a few decent ugl's but most are just selling poison. I wish steroids were legal in the USA. I know this isn't really answering your main question just my opinion. It just will not happen! for christ sakes they scheduled 1-AD! plus the whole victor conte scandal and operation raw deal will keep steroids illegal. I got sick of it myself that is why I did some traveling a few years ago.
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what the hell are you talking about?
Your comment stated in short voting was only a choice to decide which type/form of oppression we'll have and by whom. I see this as one of the largest problems in the country, this attitude towards our system. Sure, it ends up that way a lot of the time but that's because we allow it...we've become lazy.
That's what I got from your post, if I misunderstood you I apologize.
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I am totally down for legal steroids. But I just do not see it happening because they are even making weak pro-hormones schedule 3 drugs! It just gets sicker and sicker. I really wish steroid were never scheduled to begin with. I think you are right! the quality would go up and the prices would be good and you wouldn't have to be worried about what you are shooting in your body. I think it would be a perfect solution for driving out the ugl's who sell poison. there are a few decent ugl's but most are just selling poison. I wish steroids were legal in the USA. I know this isn't really answering your main question just my opinion. It just will not happen! for christ sakes they scheduled 1-AD! plus the whole victor conte scandal and operation raw deal will keep steroids illegal. I got sick of it myself that is why I did some traveling a few years ago.
I've always felt that if the general public knew the truth about steroids, not just what they do and actually are but how many athletes are and have been actually using them this would be a big step in the right direction. It was BALCO that ended up leading to some of the biggest steroid hearing of all time, and the Mitchel Report that came out of that named somewhere around 80-90 pro athletes suspected of using...80-90, are you kidding? Of course it's more like in the thousands but stating 80-90 gives false credibility to the anti-steroid cause. It implies it's a problem held by the dirty few. If people realized how important steroids were to sports, how long they've been important and that if they actually disappeared it would ruin things like the NFL their opinions on the matter would begin to shift. Of course, things like the documentary Bigger, Stronger, Faster help to a degree, but only very slightly. People would need to be slowly given the information bit by bit in short news stories because their attention spans are are that of an 8yr old boy.
If people were made aware that the steroid laws of the U.S. were one of the biggest scams in this countries history, I truly believe that would be the first step towards real change. I do believe the laws can be changed and I do believe it will happen, but it's going to take time.
Another step is actual medical evidence of course, and I speak to numerous physicians through my job on the topic of hormones and I've noticed something over the last while. Most physicians who are over the age of 45, especially over the age of 50, they're immovable on the topic, the "steroids are bad" mantra has been engrained so deeply no amount of truth can penetrate regardless of the truth. This isn't all of them, but it seems to be the strong majority. Those who are younger, they tend to be a little more open to discussion, often very curious to say the least. Many of them are quickly becoming fans of using hormones to treat numerous other conditions normally left outside the hormone world and due to the success of such treatments and the lack of problems they entail this raises a lot of questions and doubts for them based on what they've been told by their elders.
Like I said, there is hope.
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Your comment stated in short voting was only a choice to decide which type/form of oppression we'll have and by whom. I see this as one of the largest problems in the country, this attitude towards our system. Sure, it ends up that way a lot of the time but that's because we allow it...we've become lazy.
That's what I got from your post, if I misunderstood you I apologize.
i wouldn't even say that, it is just a change in pretense with no change in substance. GWB, obama or romney, does it matter? No.
none of this has anything to do with apathy or ignorance, this is the reality. if you cast a vote, then you are legitimizing a corrupt political institution. i don't support it, so i don't vote. seems logical to me and not a bi-product of apathy.
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i wouldn't even say that, it is just a change in pretense with no change in substance. GWB, obama or romney, does it matter? No.
none of this has anything to do with apathy or ignorance, this is the reality. if you cast a vote, then you are legitimizing a corrupt political institution. i don't support it, so i don't vote. seems logical to me and not a bi-product of apathy.
OK, I understand what you're saying. Even so, as it stands now we still have the ability to remedy this corrupt political institution; however, we (society as a whole) choose not too....after all, Jersey Shore and Dancing with the Stars will be on and some of us have to live high quality lives of clubbing and acting like douches to live....makes me sick!
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I don't care nor do I vote. Here's why; our country is run by the elite, Democrat, Republican, it really doesn't make a difference who's in office. The politicians get their pockets lined by big business while the running and even more once they get elected. I would like to see a politician that truly defends and fights for the middle class, but sadly I don't think it will. As far as steroids go, the law will not stop me. They never will become legal because of the bullshit propaganda against them. While the health-supplement industry is a billion dollar business, how many people are REALLY in the know and actually use steroids? Damn few! Those that are and do, have to keep it on the DL because of the laws. So you're fucked either way
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OK, I understand what you're saying. Even so, as it stands now we still have the ability to remedy this corrupt political institution; however, we (society as a whole) choose not too....after all, Jersey Shore and Dancing with the Stars will be on and some of us have to live high quality lives of clubbing and acting like douches to live....makes me sick!
yes! i agree and bemoan the degeneration of society with my friends on the daily. obviously, we as men have the tools to shape our world into whatever we desire. we have the ideas, we have the strength to enact praxis, but we lack the willpower to lift a finger. we squander our potential for greatness to instead live a craven life predicated on instant self gratification and empty hedonism.
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I don't care nor do I vote. Here's why; our country is run by the elite, Democrat, Republican, it really doesn't make a difference who's in office. The politicians get their pockets lined by big business while the running and even more once they get elected. I would like to see a politician that truly defends and fights for the middle class, but sadly I don't think it will. As far as steroids go, the law will not stop me. They never will become legal because of the bullshit propaganda against them. While the health-supplement industry is a billion dollar business, how many people are REALLY in the know and actually use steroids? Damn few! Those that are and do, have to keep it on the DL because of the laws. So you're fucked either way
I would like to see a politician who stays out of the way of the middle class...it's not the governments job to protect us from ourselves or from business, it's our job to protect ourselves by using the functional brains God gave us. I'm not saying there shouldn't be some level of business regulation, I'm not an anarchist.
Anyway, the reason we keep electing people as you described is in two parts...part one due to what aesthetics said below, and part two, we complain about this or that, but when it comes down to it we'll say things like "we should vote in this guy because he has a better education from an Ivy league institution" or "This guy has more experience in government" or my absolute favorite "he looks more presidential" or whatever the elected office may be. We keep choosing our candidates from the same pool of people thinking somehow this time will be different.
yes! i agree and bemoan the degeneration of society with my friends on the daily. obviously, we as men have the tools to shape our world into whatever we desire. we have the ideas, we have the strength to enact praxis, but we lack the willpower to lift a finger. we squander our potential for greatness to instead live a craven life predicated on instant self gratification and empty hedonism.
Excellent post....I completely agree. It's our lethargic nature as a society that's probably the biggest problem of all. That is why the steroid laws exist and that is why our country is in the shape it's in as a whole. Well said.
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Voted Ron Paul in the Michigan GOP primary and plan on voting for Gary Johnson (LP candidate) in the general election. Both support legalizing performance-enhancement drugs.