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Same ole bullshit they pulled w the Giffords shooting.
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Same ole bullshit they pulled w the Giffords shooting.
same old bullshit from Breitbart even though he is dead
the woman speaking did not blame the shooting of this kid on Limbaugh, Santorum or Newt
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same old bullshit from Breitbart even though he is dead
the woman speaking did not blame the shooting of this kid on Limbaugh, Santorum or Newt
Absolutely she did.
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Absolutely she did.
same old shit
you watch a video and "see" whatever you want
in this case though it's Breitbart telling you what to see
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same old shit
you watch a video and "see" whatever you want
in this case though it's Breitbart telling you what to see
She said that their statements create a climate to where blacks are dehumanized and these events occur.
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She said that their statements create a climate to where blacks are dehumanized and these events occur.
she starts talking about existing and long standing rascism and gives examples of rhetoric from Gingrich and Santorum and says that their statements "reinforce and validate old stereotypes"
Nowhere does she say or even imply that these comments by Gingrich or Santorum prompted this shooting
just the same old bullshit from Breitbart
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she starts talking about existing and long standing rascism and gives examples of rhetoric from Gingrich and Santorum and says that their statements "reinforce and validate old stereotypes"
Nowhere does she say or even imply that these comments by Gingrich or Santorum prompted this shooting
just the same old bullshit from Breitbart
Please - why bring up the traveon case and these statements in the same sentence then?
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Please - why bring up the traveon case and these statements in the same sentence then?
because she's suggesting that rascim was part of the motivation of why this kid was shot (whether true or not, I do not know)
she starts out talking about her own personal experience of rascim with her father
if you want to connect the dots (or if Breitbart tells you that you should) then so be it but there is nothing in that clip where she blames the comments of Gingrich or Santorum for causing this event
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because she's suggesting that rascim was part of the motivation of why this kid was shot (whether true or not, I do not know)
she starts out talking about her own personal experience of rascim with her father
if you want to connect the dots (or if Breitbart tells you that you should) then so be it but there is nothing in that clip where she blames the comments of Gingrich or Santorum for causing this event
We dont know that racism was part of this killing at all.
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MSNBC's Karen Finney Smears: Racism of Limbaugh Had 'Lethal Consequences' in Killing of Teen
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2012/03/23/msnbcs-karen-finney-smears-racism-limbaugh-had-lethal-consequences-k ^
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2012
MSNBC analyst and Democratic strategist Karen Finney disgustingly smeared Rush Limbaugh and several Republican presidential candidates on Thursday, charging that the racist hate of these conservatives had "lethal consequences" in the case of Trayvon Martin, an African American teen shot in Florida.
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because she's suggesting that rascim was part of the motivation of why this kid was shot (whether true or not, I do not know)
she starts out talking about her own personal experience of rascim with her father
if you want to connect the dots (or if Breitbart tells you that you should) then so be it but there is nothing in that clip where she blames the comments of Gingrich or Santorum for causing this event
This is the same screwball woman, who cried racism when Rick Santorum won all those primaries in the South, claiming that women voted for him because of race not gender. She couldn't understand why women would put Santorum over the top. So, in her pea-brained reasoning, they had to be racist, because obviously getting rid of a BLACK MAN is first priority, even if it means supposedly voting for someone "anti-woman". ::)
Neither Rush nor the GOP candidates had a darn thing to do with the death of that boy.
To top it all off, she can't even get her facts straight. A BLACK COLUMNIST in the L.A. Times came up with the article "Obama The Magic Negro". The gist of the article was that Obama wasn't "black" enough for black people but was a safe negro that whites didn't have to fear. Other liberals made similar statements, including Al Sharpton
So, Rush skewered them by making the "Barack The Magic Negro" parody, with his songwriter imitating Sharpton.
As usual, Straw, you ignore the blatantly obvious, in an attempt to justify the utterly ridiculous.
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MSNBC's Karen Finney Smears: Racism of Limbaugh Had 'Lethal Consequences' in Killing of Teen
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2012/03/23/msnbcs-karen-finney-smears-racism-limbaugh-had-lethal-consequences-k ^
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2012
MSNBC analyst and Democratic strategist Karen Finney disgustingly smeared Rush Limbaugh and several Republican presidential candidates on Thursday, charging that the racist hate of these conservatives had "lethal consequences" in the case of Trayvon Martin, an African American teen shot in Florida.
And, these are the people (fed by Media Matters) trying to get Rush thrown off the air, for his comments about Fluke.
The left-wing goofies might want to back off their talks of suing Rush for slander. Let's see: Rush, calling a woman who claims she needs $3000 over 3 years ($85/month) to pay for birth control so she can screw without consequence; or associating a talk show host with MURDER, even though he had NOTHING to do with the matter.
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We dont know that racism was part of this killing at all.
I agree
I already said that
because she's suggesting that rascim was part of the motivation of why this kid was shot (whether true or not, I do not know)
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Also keep in mind that this comes from the same MSNBC that didn't want to "jump to conclusions" with regards to Maj. Nadal Hasan, killing 13 people.
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Also keep in mind that this comes from the same MSNBC that didn't want to "jump to conclusions" with regards to Maj. Nadal Hasan, killing 13 people.
also keep in mind it's one persons point of view on MSNBC and she never blamed anyone for the actions of the shooter
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also keep in mind it's one persons point of view on MSNBC and she never blamed anyone for the actions of the shooter
Are you blind and/or deaf? She's doing just that, by even bringing Rush and the GOP candidates into the conversation. They had NOTHING to do with it.
And, based on her stupid statements last week, it's clear that she's towing the usual MSNBC line of mindlessly screaming racism.
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this shooting is simple.
some d-bag chased down a kid, lied to the cops, didn't listen to the cops, then shot a kid crying for help as he tried to make a citizens arrest.
The guy is an ass - and using the law as a pathetic defense. NOTHING to do with Rush.
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Same ole bullshit they pulled w the Giffords shooting.
Democrats live in a dream world it seems. Any action can be justified due to some vast conspiracy and no one has to really produce anything, production just happens. Of course modern corporation with management gets 0 credit for producing in an organized way as drucker pointed out was the one big hole in marx theory which marx couldn't envision. Ah well.
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Whats funny is that these assholes like Faarakan and Sharpton are coming to this kids parents defence more than likely blaming the "white man" when it was a mexican who killed him. Two of the biggest racists on the planet.
The Sanford Neighborhood Watch volunteer who shot and killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager, did not instigate the encounter but has received death threats and moved out of his home, his father told the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday.
George Zimmerman, 28, has not been arrested, something that has put him and the Sanford Police Department at the center of a firestorm. Critics say Trayvon, who was visiting family from his home in Miami, was a victim of racial profiling.
Zimmerman's father, 64-year-old Robert Zimmerman of Lake Mary, delivered a one-page letter to the Sentinel on Thursday, saying that the depiction of his son in the media has been cruel and misleading.
George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-15/guy
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i seriously disliked hearing obama say we need to look at the laws.
perhaps he is uninformed. Just as this rent-a-cop was uninformed. He's using that stand-your-ground law to defend his actions, but he misinterpreted it in a big way.
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i seriously disliked hearing obama say we need to look at the laws.
perhaps he is uninformed. Just as this rent-a-cop was uninformed. He's using that stand-your-ground law to defend his actions, but he misinterpreted it in a big way.
NEVER LET A CRISIS GO TO WASTE!!!!
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i seriously disliked hearing obama say we need to look at the laws.
perhaps he is uninformed. Just as this rent-a-cop was uninformed. He's using that stand-your-ground law to defend his actions, but he misinterpreted it in a big way.
How do you know? Are you getting better info down there in FL?
All I keeps seeing is useless reporters and commentators who didn't even know this guy trying to make him out to be a saint just because he wasn't armed. ::)
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Random Thoughts About The Shooting of Trayvon Martin
— From Ace of Spades
Oh, the Media decided We Have To Have a National Discussion about this story.
1. I appreciate the media dubbing Zimmerman "a white Hispanic." Like the Israelis, he's now an honorary member of the Oppressive White Majority.
2. Certain local stories of race-on-race crime ignite the media's passions. Others do not.
3. Most of the time, stories like the one I just linked are not reported by the media, for various reasons. One is that, alas, black on white crime is so common as to be not newsworthy, whereas the reverse is rare and hence, oddly, makes national news.
Another reason is that such stories are, by their nature, inflammatory (no pun intended, of course).
But the media does not mind inflammatory stories when the right people are inflamed. Farrakhan, for example, states that "soon and very soon" the "law of retaliation" "may be applied."
Now, if that story about the black kids setting the white kid on fire -- while declaring "You're white, this is what you deserve" -- was excessively inflammatory, why the media rush to inflame further black on white violence?
4. The cops acted predictably and understandably in not arresting Zimmerman. Here are the facts, as they knew them at the time: Zimmerman was a law-abiding citizen who gave them lots of (correct) tips about local crime. He was helpful to the police (probably also annoying in being too vigilant -- but while such people may annoy the police, they nevertheless appreciate the help that comes with the annoyance).
He called in to 911 to report a "suspicious" character, then followed him, waiting for police to arrive. Eventually there was some violence (Zimmerman was reportedly bloodied) and he claimed self-defense.
Now, under those circumstances, the police are not going to be very suspicious of Zimmerman. If he was attempting a murder, he went about it in a strange way -- calling police to arrive at the scene of the crime before there was a crime. He had no known motive against this Trayvon Martin fellow -- they'd never met.
Why suspect a deliberate murder?
That doesn't make Zimmerman innocent -- but it does explain why the police thought he was likely innocent of wrongdoing.
5. If the facts are as the media reports them, then it does seem like Zimmerman was following around a kid who wasn't doing anything illegal at all. Then again, if the facts were as the media reported them, the Duke Lacrosse Team was guilty of violent gang-rape.
While the liberal media screams, once again, "Trust us, and forget all about our hitting the Panic Button time and time again before!," some of us would like to see what the facts really are before coming to a conclusion.
6. As a general matter, and inescapably, the law of self-defense is a very thorny thicket. The media would like to simplify the law and simply declare that anyone who shoots anyone else is guilty of murder (because they would like to ban all guns, period, and this is a cutesy manner of achieving that goal through the back-door).
But these laws are inescapably thorny and these cases are inescapably very dependent on actual facts.
At the heart of every self-defense case are a pair of related questions: Did the defendant reasonably believe his safety was in jeopardy when he struck the fatal blow? And, based on the circumstances, did the defendant act lawfully, within the accepted safe-harbors for the use of lethal force in defending one's life (or another's life)?
Facts, not ginned up racial outrage or general anti-gun animus, answer these questions.
Given what we think we know (and remember, the media has lied before): it appears that the kid was unarmed, the guy can't rely on self-defense to save his life.
Further, it appears (again, appears) that Zimmerman initiated the contact/confrontation, not the kid, so the "stand your ground" law is not even relevant in the case.
But that's how it appears, at the moment, and for a whole year the media was pretty sure that drug-addled, mentally-imbalanced nightcrawler Crystal Gayle Mangum was a pretty solid citizen and dependable witness.
We'll see how this plays.
Various inarticulate, charity-hire racists don't need a sober assessment of the facts, because their conclusions are animated by racism -- the party of the Disfavored Race is always guilty. (Even when the member of the Disfavored Race is only an honorary member of that Disfavored Race.)
Although America has brought shame to some racists, others flaunt their racism proudly.
We'll have to do something about that. What is this, the 50s?
7. The media is a full-court press to politicize this, noting that the entire Republican field has remained "silent" on this case.
Two problems: First, Obama himself remained "silent" until yesterday, when he declared if he had a son, he'd look like Trayvon Martin. (And not, for example, like the guys who set fire to the white boy.)
This happened a month ago. Obama waited a month to comment, and previously his administration refused comment, calling it a "local" matter.
So why suddenly is everyone expected to hop-to now that Hamlet has decided it's a good issue to exploit?
Second problem: Obama is not the first candidate to address this matter. Newt Gingrich was.
So is Obama racist for failing to match Gingrich's alacrity?
8. Fantasy is a very popular genre of fiction. Fantasy is often used to explore real-world problems, but in fantasy trappings. Why is this attractive? Perhaps because the real-world problems, with real-world details, are so unattractive that many people can only be induced to engage with the subject matter if it has a certain amount of distancing from real-world details. If it's fuzzed up by fantasy. Spoonfull of sugar and all that.
The actual real-world facts is that blacks commit crimes at greatly higher rates than whites, and that blacks specifically victimize whites at far higher rates than whites victimize blacks.
And yet the media doesn't ever wish to discuss that -- it's too real, it hurts too much. It offends people.
So instead we only talk about racial issues through this fantasy lens-- the fantasy lens in which white on black crime is common and some sort of national epidemic which must be addressed immediately.
In this case, if Zimmerman was too vigilant and too paranoid, it could just be because he overreacted, lethally, to the very real problem of high black crime rates.
And while we blame him, what about the actual black criminals -- not Trayvon Martin, mind you, who appears blameless, but the actual black criminals who'd been operating in Zimmerman's neighborhood and so brought this tragedy to pass?
Shall we say nothing of them?
Probably not. Because we don't have enough layers of fantasy to make that particular problem palatable and safe for polite discussion.
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fuck race. throw it out of this. fuck media on both sides making it about race.
dude was in a truck. Got out of truck to chase a kid. Called police - they told his ass to stop chasing. Kid RAN.
Already, you can throw self-defense out the window. Hell, the KID probably could have claimed self defense, as some fat dude jumps outta truck and starts chasing him.
The guy lied - his claim "I got out of truck to see what street corner I was at" is total bullshit - the dude patrols that area for years and can't tell you what corner he's at without exiting truck?
Then police tell him to stop chasing. He ignores a police order.
I dont get it. Unless it's a small town and he and the police chief are bowling buddies... anyone else would be locked up. ALl this bullshit about white vs black is stupid. And this shooter trying to use the 'stand my ground' law after chasing a MFer thru the streets who had done nothing wrong?
Just another wannabe cop with a permit thinking he's charles bronson.
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fuck race. throw it out of this. fuck media on both sides making it about race.
dude was in a truck. Got out of truck to chase a kid. Called police - they told his ass to stop chasing. Kid RAN.
Already, you can throw self-defense out the window. Hell, the KID probably could have claimed self defense, as some fat dude jumps outta truck and starts chasing him.
The guy lied - his claim "I got out of truck to see what street corner I was at" is total bullshit - the dude patrols that area for years and can't tell you what corner he's at without exiting truck?
Then police tell him to stop chasing. He ignores a police order.
I dont get it. Unless it's a small town and he and the police chief are bowling buddies... anyone else would be locked up. ALl this bullshit about white vs black is stupid. And this shooter trying to use the 'stand my ground' law after chasing a MFer thru the streets who had done nothing wrong?
Just another wannabe cop with a permit thinking he's charles bronson.
The media and leftists are making it about race, no one else.
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The media and leftists are making it about race, no one else.
media includes fox, i been listening all day. beck was tearing geraldo a new asshole for making it about hoodies and the fact the kid was asking for it.
last i checked, geraldo was part of the media, and a longtime fox contributor.
and really, there are those from 'the right' on getbig making it about race, so really, this whole "only the left does this' is old and stupid.
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media includes fox, i been listening all day. beck was tearing geraldo a new asshole for making it about hoodies and the fact the kid was asking for it.
last i checked, geraldo was part of the media, and a longtime fox contributor.
and really, there are those from 'the right' on getbig making it about race, so really, this whole "only the left does this' is old and stupid.
Doesnt help when obama , jesse, al all pimp this as well.
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everybody seems to want to make every incident the start of a big 'movement'.
i know it sells, and i know fox/msnbc all over it..
but seriously, a wannabe cop disobeyed the real police, chased down a kid with skittles and shot him.
Local police didn't do shit for 3 weeks. Then, when 911 tapes were released, we all learned what happened and had a "WTF" moment.
shit, some a-hole shot someone they shouldn't have. charge him with manslaughter, give him 15 years, and that's it. all thise "the catalyst for a new race relation breakthru?' nonsense is so stupid.
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He could get 2nd degree murder
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Democrats Say Talk Radio Killed Black Florida Teen
Investor's Business Daily ^ | March 23, 2012
Posted on March 23, 2012 10:19:31 PM EDT by Tailgunner Joe
On MSNBC last week, Democratic Party strategist Karen Finney blamed talk radio king Rush Limbaugh for the fatal shooting last month of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin by a neighborhood watch captain in a mixed neighborhood in Florida.
Limbaugh, along with Republican presidential candidates Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney, "reinforce and validate old stereotypes that associate the poor and welfare as criminal behavior with African Americans and people of color, calling us lazy, undeserving recipients of public assistance," Finney said.
In the Trayvon Martin incident, Finney claimed "those festering stereotypes had lethal consequences."
One might ask how Finney knows that Martin's half-Peruvian killer, George Zimmerman (whose photo suggests he's a person of color himself), listens to Limbaugh or has been affected by the candidates' speeches.
As in ex-Rep. Gabby Giffords' shooting last year, this is a case of a Democratic mouthpiece accusing foes of their big-government schemes of murder. So much for President Obama's call for civility in political discourse.
But Finney is just one manifestation of a new war aiming to silence Limbaugh and like-minded talk radio hosts. After Limbaugh several weeks ago used rude words to describe a Georgetown law school feminist activist who wants taxpayers to finance her contraception, the Los Angeles city council last week entered the realm of government censorship of the airwaves.
By 13-to-2 vote the L.A. City Council called on "management of radio and television stations in Los Angeles to do everything in their power to ensure that their on-air hosts do not use and promote racist and sexist slurs over public airwaves in the City of Los Angeles."
(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...
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MSNBC's Finney Won’t Let Shooting Tragedy Go To Waste, Connects to Voter ID Laws
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-meyer/2012/03/23/msnbcs-finney-won-t-let-shooting-tragedy-go-waste-connects-voter-id-l ^
Posted on March 23, 2012 10:42:37 PM EDT by chessplayer
On Friday’s edition of MSNBC’s NOW with Alex Wagner, former DNC Communications Director Karen Finney (and occasional MSNBC host) used the tragic death of Trayvon Martin to viciously attack Republicans across the country. The segment started out examining the role of gun laws in our society and quickly turned into an assault on Republicans, following comments made by liberal-host Wagner.
Wagner made the claim that, “We had a map of the 25, 26 states with stand your ground laws. You can actually overlay a map of the red states in this country.” Such divisive rhetoric fed into the liberal talking point for Karen as she went on a tirade.
Finney maintained that there was a calculated effort between the NRA and ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative public policy group) to push gun laws starting in Florida, going so far as to say that the, “Same committee happened to work on draft legislation on, oh, voter ID laws."
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Heard that the guy had a broken nose and cut on the back of his head, anybody confirm or deny this?
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Classic spin job what else is new?
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Same ole bullshit they pulled w the Giffords shooting.
That was pretty bad. Desperate to try and smear conservatives.
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Heard that the guy had a broken nose and cut on the back of his head, anybody confirm or deny this?
'stand your ground' still woudn't apply. even if the kid split his head open with a bottle.
if anything, the KID was the one standing his ground. He's bee-bopping down the sidewalk with skitlles and an iced tea, suddenly some big fat dude jumps out of a trunk in the dark and starts chasing and screaming. YES, the kid had a right to use a bottle if the shooter tried to put hands on him.
IMO, it's the fake ass police thing that caused all of this. He didnt' get into a tussle while in his truck on the cell with police. He got out and tried to be the fcking hero. Screw that.
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A lot of subjective horse shit by this wak job lady. Massive making up shit as if whitey is evil. Racism don't listen to logic just hate whitey. All republicans racsit !!! What a fucking girl. Just kind of shit spewed all the time from communists. Prejudice is in mind of the minority many times and interpreted from logical action by white. Its all programming into thier weird lil head by fools like this. It si so annoyign to see thsi horse shit as a white male. Prople should be focused on producing and making money and on having good manners that I bet if this Teyshawn kid had had, he would be alive today.