Author Topic: MSNBC blames Rush, Newt, Santorum for Trayvon shooting. (Fluke, Palin, BC)  (Read 1453 times)


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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV?id=%7BEA0E2B36-391C-47D3-A57F-2D6790DDFA35%7D&title=MSNBC%20Host%20Blames%20Limbaugh%20Gingrich%20Santorum%20Rhetoric%20For%20Trevon%20Martin%20Death
Same ole bullshit they pulled w the Giffords shooting. 

same old bullshit from Breitbart even though he is dead

the woman speaking did not blame the shooting of this kid on Limbaugh, Santorum or Newt


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same old bullshit from Breitbart even though he is dead

the woman speaking did not blame the shooting of this kid on Limbaugh, Santorum or Newt



Absolutely she did. 

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Absolutely she did. 

same old shit

you watch a video and "see" whatever you want

in this case though it's Breitbart telling you what to see


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same old shit

you watch a video and "see" whatever you want

in this case though it's Breitbart telling you what to see




She said that their statements create a climate to where blacks are dehumanized and these events occur. 


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She said that their statements create a climate to where blacks are dehumanized and these events occur. 

she starts talking about existing and long standing rascism and gives examples of rhetoric from Gingrich and Santorum and says that their statements "reinforce and validate old stereotypes"

Nowhere does she say or even imply that these comments by Gingrich or Santorum prompted this shooting

just the same old bullshit from Breitbart

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she starts talking about existing and long standing rascism and gives examples of rhetoric from Gingrich and Santorum and says that their statements "reinforce and validate old stereotypes"

Nowhere does she say or even imply that these comments by Gingrich or Santorum prompted this shooting

just the same old bullshit from Breitbart


Please - why bring up the traveon case and these statements in the same sentence then? 

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Please - why bring up the traveon case and these statements in the same sentence then? 

because she's suggesting that rascim was part of the motivation of why this kid was shot (whether true or not, I do not know)

she starts out talking about her own personal experience of rascim with her father

if you want to connect the dots (or if Breitbart tells you that you should) then so be it but there is nothing in that clip where she blames the comments of Gingrich or Santorum for causing this event

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because she's suggesting that rascim was part of the motivation of why this kid was shot (whether true or not, I do not know)

she starts out talking about her own personal experience of rascim with her father

if you want to connect the dots (or if Breitbart tells you that you should) then so be it but there is nothing in that clip where she blames the comments of Gingrich or Santorum for causing this event


We dont know that racism was part of this killing at all. 

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MSNBC's Karen Finney Smears: Racism of Limbaugh Had 'Lethal Consequences' in Killing of Teen

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2012/03/23/msnbcs-karen-finney-smears-racism-limbaugh-had-lethal-consequences-k ^


 
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2012


MSNBC analyst and Democratic strategist Karen Finney disgustingly smeared Rush Limbaugh and several Republican presidential candidates on Thursday, charging that the racist hate of these conservatives had "lethal consequences" in the case of Trayvon Martin, an African American teen shot in Florida.

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because she's suggesting that rascim was part of the motivation of why this kid was shot (whether true or not, I do not know)

she starts out talking about her own personal experience of rascim with her father

if you want to connect the dots (or if Breitbart tells you that you should) then so be it but there is nothing in that clip where she blames the comments of Gingrich or Santorum for causing this event

This is the same screwball woman, who cried racism when Rick Santorum won all those primaries in the South, claiming that women voted for him because of race not gender. She couldn't understand why women would put Santorum over the top. So, in her pea-brained reasoning, they had to be racist, because obviously getting rid of a BLACK MAN is first priority, even if it means supposedly voting for someone "anti-woman".  ::)

Neither Rush nor the GOP candidates had a darn thing to do with the death of that boy.

To top it all off, she can't even get her facts straight. A BLACK COLUMNIST in the L.A. Times came up with the article "Obama The Magic Negro". The gist of the article was that Obama wasn't "black" enough for black people but was a safe negro that whites didn't have to fear. Other liberals made similar statements, including Al Sharpton

So, Rush skewered them by making the "Barack The Magic Negro" parody, with his songwriter imitating Sharpton.

As usual, Straw, you ignore the blatantly obvious, in an attempt to justify the utterly ridiculous.

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MSNBC's Karen Finney Smears: Racism of Limbaugh Had 'Lethal Consequences' in Killing of Teen

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2012/03/23/msnbcs-karen-finney-smears-racism-limbaugh-had-lethal-consequences-k ^


 
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2012


MSNBC analyst and Democratic strategist Karen Finney disgustingly smeared Rush Limbaugh and several Republican presidential candidates on Thursday, charging that the racist hate of these conservatives had "lethal consequences" in the case of Trayvon Martin, an African American teen shot in Florida.


And, these are the people (fed by Media Matters) trying to get Rush thrown off the air, for his comments about Fluke.

The left-wing goofies might want to back off their talks of suing Rush for slander. Let's see: Rush, calling a woman who claims she needs $3000 over 3 years ($85/month) to pay for birth control so she can screw without consequence; or associating a talk show host with MURDER, even though he had NOTHING to do with the matter.

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We dont know that racism was part of this killing at all. 

I agree

I already said that

because she's suggesting that rascim was part of the motivation of why this kid was shot (whether true or not, I do not know)

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Also keep in mind that this comes from the same MSNBC that didn't want to "jump to conclusions" with regards to Maj. Nadal Hasan, killing 13 people.

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Also keep in mind that this comes from the same MSNBC that didn't want to "jump to conclusions" with regards to Maj. Nadal Hasan, killing 13 people.

also keep in mind it's one persons point of view on MSNBC and she never blamed anyone for the actions of the shooter

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also keep in mind it's one persons point of view on MSNBC and she never blamed anyone for the actions of the shooter

Are you blind and/or deaf? She's doing just that, by even bringing Rush and the GOP candidates into the conversation. They had NOTHING to do with it.

And, based on her stupid statements last week, it's clear that she's towing the usual MSNBC line of mindlessly screaming racism.

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this shooting is simple.

some d-bag chased down a kid, lied to the cops, didn't listen to the cops, then shot a kid crying for help as he tried to make a citizens arrest.

The guy is an ass - and using the law as a pathetic defense.  NOTHING to do with Rush.

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Same ole bullshit they pulled w the Giffords shooting. 



Democrats live in a dream world it seems.  Any action can be justified due to some vast conspiracy and no one has to really produce anything, production just happens.  Of course modern corporation with management gets 0 credit for producing in an organized way as drucker pointed out was the one big hole in marx theory which marx couldn't envision.  Ah well.

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Whats funny is that these assholes like Faarakan and Sharpton are coming to this kids parents defence more than likely blaming the "white man" when it was a mexican who killed him. Two of the biggest racists on the planet.


The Sanford Neighborhood Watch volunteer who shot and killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager, did not instigate the encounter but has received death threats and moved out of his home, his father told the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday.

George Zimmerman, 28, has not been arrested, something that has put him and the Sanford Police Department at the center of a firestorm. Critics say Trayvon, who was visiting family from his home in Miami, was a victim of racial profiling.

Zimmerman's father, 64-year-old Robert Zimmerman of Lake Mary, delivered a one-page letter to the Sentinel on Thursday, saying that the depiction of his son in the media has been cruel and misleading.

George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-15/guy

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i seriously disliked hearing obama say we need to look at the laws.

perhaps he is uninformed.  Just as this rent-a-cop was uninformed.  He's using that stand-your-ground law to defend his actions, but he misinterpreted it in a big way.

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i seriously disliked hearing obama say we need to look at the laws.

perhaps he is uninformed.  Just as this rent-a-cop was uninformed.  He's using that stand-your-ground law to defend his actions, but he misinterpreted it in a big way.

NEVER LET A CRISIS GO TO WASTE!!!!

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i seriously disliked hearing obama say we need to look at the laws.

perhaps he is uninformed.  Just as this rent-a-cop was uninformed.  He's using that stand-your-ground law to defend his actions, but he misinterpreted it in a big way.





How do you know?  Are you getting better info down there in FL?

All I keeps seeing is useless reporters and commentators who didn't even know this guy trying to make him out to be a saint just because he wasn't armed.  ::)

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Random Thoughts About The Shooting of Trayvon Martin

— From Ace of Spades

Oh, the Media decided We Have To Have a National Discussion about this story.

1. I appreciate the media dubbing Zimmerman "a white Hispanic." Like the Israelis, he's now an honorary member of the Oppressive White Majority.

2. Certain local stories of race-on-race crime ignite the media's passions. Others do not.

3. Most of the time, stories like the one I just linked are not reported by the media, for various reasons. One is that, alas, black on white crime is so common as to be not newsworthy, whereas the reverse is rare and hence, oddly, makes national news.

Another reason is that such stories are, by their nature, inflammatory (no pun intended, of course).

But the media does not mind inflammatory stories when the right people are inflamed. Farrakhan, for example, states that "soon and very soon" the "law of retaliation" "may be applied."

Now, if that story about the black kids setting the white kid on fire -- while declaring "You're white, this is what you deserve" -- was excessively inflammatory, why the media rush to inflame further black on white violence?

4. The cops acted predictably and understandably in not arresting Zimmerman. Here are the facts, as they knew them at the time: Zimmerman was a law-abiding citizen who gave them lots of (correct) tips about local crime. He was helpful to the police (probably also annoying in being too vigilant -- but while such people may annoy the police, they nevertheless appreciate the help that comes with the annoyance).

He called in to 911 to report a "suspicious" character, then followed him, waiting for police to arrive. Eventually there was some violence (Zimmerman was reportedly bloodied) and he claimed self-defense.

Now, under those circumstances, the police are not going to be very suspicious of Zimmerman. If he was attempting a murder, he went about it in a strange way -- calling police to arrive at the scene of the crime before there was a crime. He had no known motive against this Trayvon Martin fellow -- they'd never met.

Why suspect a deliberate murder?

That doesn't make Zimmerman innocent -- but it does explain why the police thought he was likely innocent of wrongdoing.

5. If the facts are as the media reports them, then it does seem like Zimmerman was following around a kid who wasn't doing anything illegal at all. Then again, if the facts were as the media reported them, the Duke Lacrosse Team was guilty of violent gang-rape.

While the liberal media screams, once again, "Trust us, and forget all about our hitting the Panic Button time and time again before!," some of us would like to see what the facts really are before coming to a conclusion.

6. As a general matter, and inescapably, the law of self-defense is a very thorny thicket. The media would like to simplify the law and simply declare that anyone who shoots anyone else is guilty of murder (because they would like to ban all guns, period, and this is a cutesy manner of achieving that goal through the back-door).

But these laws are inescapably thorny and these cases are inescapably very dependent on actual facts.

At the heart of every self-defense case are a pair of related questions: Did the defendant reasonably believe his safety was in jeopardy when he struck the fatal blow? And, based on the circumstances, did the defendant act lawfully, within the accepted safe-harbors for the use of lethal force in defending one's life (or another's life)?

Facts, not ginned up racial outrage or general anti-gun animus, answer these questions.

Given what we think we know (and remember, the media has lied before): it appears that the kid was unarmed, the guy can't rely on self-defense to save his life.

Further, it appears (again, appears) that Zimmerman initiated the contact/confrontation, not the kid, so the "stand your ground" law is not even relevant in the case.

But that's how it appears, at the moment, and for a whole year the media was pretty sure that drug-addled, mentally-imbalanced nightcrawler Crystal Gayle Mangum was a pretty solid citizen and dependable witness.

We'll see how this plays.

Various inarticulate, charity-hire racists don't need a sober assessment of the facts, because their conclusions are animated by racism -- the party of the Disfavored Race is always guilty. (Even when the member of the Disfavored Race is only an honorary member of that Disfavored Race.)

Although America has brought shame to some racists, others flaunt their racism proudly.

We'll have to do something about that. What is this, the 50s?

7. The media is a full-court press to politicize this, noting that the entire Republican field has remained "silent" on this case.

Two problems: First, Obama himself remained "silent" until yesterday, when he declared if he had a son, he'd look like Trayvon Martin. (And not, for example, like the guys who set fire to the white boy.)

This happened a month ago. Obama waited a month to comment, and previously his administration refused comment, calling it a "local" matter.

So why suddenly is everyone expected to hop-to now that Hamlet has decided it's a good issue to exploit?

Second problem: Obama is not the first candidate to address this matter. Newt Gingrich was.

So is Obama racist for failing to match Gingrich's alacrity?

8. Fantasy is a very popular genre of fiction. Fantasy is often used to explore real-world problems, but in fantasy trappings. Why is this attractive? Perhaps because the real-world problems, with real-world details, are so unattractive that many people can only be induced to engage with the subject matter if it has a certain amount of distancing from real-world details. If it's fuzzed up by fantasy. Spoonfull of sugar and all that.

The actual real-world facts is that blacks commit crimes at greatly higher rates than whites, and that blacks specifically victimize whites at far higher rates than whites victimize blacks.

And yet the media doesn't ever wish to discuss that -- it's too real, it hurts too much. It offends people.

So instead we only talk about racial issues through this fantasy lens-- the fantasy lens in which white on black crime is common and some sort of national epidemic which must be addressed immediately.

In this case, if Zimmerman was too vigilant and too paranoid, it could just be because he overreacted, lethally, to the very real problem of high black crime rates.

And while we blame him, what about the actual black criminals -- not Trayvon Martin, mind you, who appears blameless, but the actual black criminals who'd been operating in Zimmerman's neighborhood and so brought this tragedy to pass?

Shall we say nothing of them?

Probably not. Because we don't have enough layers of fantasy to make that particular problem palatable and safe for polite discussion.
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fuck race.  throw it out of this.  fuck media on both sides making it about race.


dude was in a truck.  Got out of truck to chase a kid.  Called police - they told his ass to stop chasing.  Kid RAN.

Already, you can throw self-defense out the window.  Hell, the KID probably could have claimed self defense, as some fat dude jumps outta truck and starts chasing him. 

The guy lied - his claim "I got out of truck to see what street corner I was at" is total bullshit - the dude patrols that area for years and can't tell you what corner he's at without exiting truck?

Then police tell him to stop chasing.  He ignores a police order. 

I dont get it.  Unless it's a small town and he and the police chief are bowling buddies... anyone else would be locked up.  ALl this bullshit about white vs black is stupid.  And this shooter trying to use the 'stand my ground' law after chasing a MFer thru the streets who had done nothing wrong?

Just another wannabe cop with a permit thinking he's charles bronson.

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fuck race.  throw it out of this.  fuck media on both sides making it about race.


dude was in a truck.  Got out of truck to chase a kid.  Called police - they told his ass to stop chasing.  Kid RAN.

Already, you can throw self-defense out the window.  Hell, the KID probably could have claimed self defense, as some fat dude jumps outta truck and starts chasing him. 

The guy lied - his claim "I got out of truck to see what street corner I was at" is total bullshit - the dude patrols that area for years and can't tell you what corner he's at without exiting truck?

Then police tell him to stop chasing.  He ignores a police order. 

I dont get it.  Unless it's a small town and he and the police chief are bowling buddies... anyone else would be locked up.  ALl this bullshit about white vs black is stupid.  And this shooter trying to use the 'stand my ground' law after chasing a MFer thru the streets who had done nothing wrong?

Just another wannabe cop with a permit thinking he's charles bronson.


The media and leftists are making it about race, no one else.