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Romney's cowardice keeps getting in the way
By Steve Benen
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Mon May 7, 2012 3:25 PM EDT
Four years ago, shortly before the presidential campaign, John McCain was participating in a town-hall forum, and heard from a voter who wanted to share a concern. "I can't trust Obama," she said. "I have read about him and he's not, he's not uh, he's an Arab."
The Republican nominee, to his credit, took back the microphone and said, "No, ma'am. He's a decent family man [and] a citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign's all about. He's not [an Arab]."
Mitt Romney in 2012 is a very different kind of candidate, and we were reminded of that this afternoon.
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For those who can't watch clips online, the presumptive Republican nominee held an event in Ohio today, and heard from a woman who thinks President Obama "should be tried for treason."
It was an opportunity for the former governor to show some leadership -- as McCain did in October 2008 -- and reject this garbage publicly. But true to form, Romney responded to the voter's question as if he didn't have a problem with her ridiculous rhetoric.
Later, after the Q&A was over, Romney was pressed by reporters on whether he agreed with his supporter's "treason" line. He said, "No, of course not."
That's nice, I suppose, but having courage after the fact isn't the quite the same thing as showing some guts when the moment calls for it.
It's not the first time Romney shrank when confronted with an opportunity to lead, and I have a strong suspicion it won't be the last.
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Obama isn't an arab...he's a homo though.
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May 7, 2012
This weekend President Obama officially kicked off his reelection campaign in the swing states of Ohio and Virginia. The President’s appearances were amid banners with the campaign slogan “Forward.” The right wing has been trying to poison the minds of Americans against that slogan, kind of like they’ve been trying to poison the minds of Americans against the candidate himself. I can see why rightwingers dislike the term “forward.” It does highlight just how backward they are.
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President Obama schooled Mitt Romney over Mitt’s assertion that “corporations are people.” Obama said “Corporations aren’t people. People are people.” Mitt Romney knows some people who would disagree, but I think those people are corporations. Corporations are not people, but we all know some people who act more like corporations—like Mitt Romney, for instance!
In this weekend’s elections, Europe has become even more what the Republicans like to call “European.” Elections in France and in Greece both showed voters clearly rejecting the economic strategy of recovery through austerity. Trying to recover from a recession through economic austerity is like trying to recover from malnutrition with a starvation diet. Austerity isn’t working in Europe. I’m surprised they went for it. They had tried it once before... I think they called that “The Dark Ages.” At least the current brand of austerity doesn’t include mass starvation, plagues, and rampaging barbarians—but I’m sure those were all on the conservatives’ list to try.
There’s a group out there trying to “swift boat” President Obama, who call themselves “Veterans for a Strong America.” Swift boating involves attacking a candidate for their strongest point. And Mitt Romney is basically immune—he has no strong points! The original swift boaters attacked John Kerry for being a war hero. These new swift boaters are attacking President Obama for getting Osama bin Laden. Well, now we know the things you have to avoid doing to avoid being attacked by swift boaters—don’t serve your country, and whatever you do, don’t remove terrorist threats.
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there have been a lot of moments like this in the campaign - with rush limbaugh calling a woman a slut, for example.
Romney had the chance to step up and say "dude, cool it, that's over the line...."
He is what he is - he's a safe candidate. he's not a bold man. He can "default" his way into the white house with it. He's not going to shock the world. He's just gonna win 30% of the repub support, spend a lot more than everyone, get the nomination.... then just hope he's a boring and safe alternative to obama that people pick because "at least he's not obama".
Don't expect to see ROmney do anything bold during the campaign - it's just not how he works.
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Obama isn't an arab...he's my father is a homo though.
fixed
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Like the state fixed your mom when she continually spat retards from her lady parts?
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Don't you ever get tired of pushing your Democrat talking points on everyone here? Your bullshit is one of the few things that I wish was posted in the general topics section. Being forced to see your bullshit headlines all the time is getting really old.
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Don't you ever get tired of pushing your Democrat talking points on everyone here? Your bullshit is one of the few things that I wish was posted in the general topics section. Being forced to see your bullshit headlines all the time is getting really old.
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Sucks to be you, because I'm not going anywhere. ;)
Thanks, and fuck off.
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President Osama is going to get re-elected so you really don't have to do this propaganda campaign for him. It'll be great for you because you'll be able to sit on your couch watching soap operas and get rewarded by dear leader as he takes money from real Americans and gives it to the protected class. Oh, I forgot you will technically have a job because in President Osama's America there is such a thing as a professional victim. Lucky you.
Congratulations fagg0t!
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From a non-america perspective Obama is the best you could hope for. The othere potential presidents are jokes. McCain and Palin. Romney. Then there was bush. We all complain about the leaders of our countries but at least he doesnt come across half retarded.
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President Osama is going to get re-elected so you really don't have to do this propaganda campaign for him. It'll be great for you because you'll be able to sit on your couch watching soap operas and get rewarded by dear leader as he takes money from real Americans and gives it to the protected class. Oh, I forgot you will technically have a job because in President Osama's America there is such a thing as a professional victim. Lucky you.
Congratulations fagg0t!
I wouldn't bet my house on it. Obama is losing in the polls to the winner of "the worst field in the history of the Republican party", is bleeding independents like a stuck pig, and is kicking off his campaign to half-empty arenas. Now, he's pandering to gays by having every major player in his administration say they support gay "marriage", because he can't do that himself (otherwise, he risk losing some of the one demographic that almost monolithically votes for him or any other Democrat).
Obama is in BIG trouble and he knows it. So does Benny, which is why he trying to convince himself and his ilk that Obama's a lock for re-election.
Of course, this act of his is old. It's well documented that Benny is too spineless to post on the Politics forum and take his beatings properly.
But, don't let facts like this get in the way of Benny's Obama-worshipping or cutting and pasting left-winged gibberish from Randi Rhoads.
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I wouldn't bet my house on it. Obama is losing in the polls to the winner of "the worst field in the history of the Republican party", is bleeding independents like a stuck pig, and is kicking off his campaign to half-empty arenas. Now, he's pandering to gays by having every major player in his administration say they support gay "marriage", because he can't do that himself (otherwise, he risk losing some of the one demographic that almost monolithically votes for him or any other Democrat).
Obama is in BIG trouble and he knows it. So does Benny, which is why he trying to convince himself and his ilk that Obama's a lock for re-election.
Of course, this act of his is old. It's well documented that Benny is too spineless to post on the Politics forum and take his beatings properly.
But, don't let facts like this get in the way of Benny's Obama-worshipping or cutting and pasting left-winged gibberish from Randi Rhoads.
You tell em', Mantan! Keep your massa happy so he'll continue to let you live in The Big House. ::)
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Obama = $5 trillion in new debt in 3 years, and only a brain dead Democrat would call that "Forward".
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You tell em', Mantan! Keep your massa happy so he'll continue to let you live in The Big House. ::)
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And, as usual, void of any original material, Benny resorts to this. Despite the mods REPEATEDLY moving your threads to the Politics forum, you continue to post your Obama-slobbering material here. What a shock! ::)
If you want to see a black man get whipped, watch what happens to Obama in six months, if he continues this downward spiral.
Or, if you can't wait that long, step up to the Politics forum with this foolishness and watch what happens to you. We don't you don't have the sack to do so. But, the invitation is always there.
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Lets make it simple. Obama promised everything. He delivered nothing, except higher health bills, divided the country, and a lot more people are worse off then they were 4 years ago. He neglected the one democracy in the middle east, Israel. He also did one thing that will affect our kids - made the national debt skyrocket like a Democrat does, and not care about it.
Fact is, with Obama in office, no business wants to work really hard or start off because of his threats to 'tax' everything in sight. Once we get back a Republican in office, even a moderate like Romney, business can once again start working. Without business, there are no taxes.
I don't dislike Obama. He and his cronies tried. They failed. I like Romney - he is moderate. Not too crazy to the right, and not too crazy to the left.
Remember, above all - the independents and the people of America want someone to lead. Obama divided and many, many people are disappointed.
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Good luck, trying to get Benny to drag his spineless backside over here to address your statement, Ron.
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Lets make it simple. Obama promised everything. He delivered nothing, except higher health bills, divided the country, and a lot more people are worse off then they were 4 years ago. He neglected the one democracy in the middle east, Israel. He also did one thing that will affect our kids - made the national debt skyrocket like a Democrat does, and not care about it.
Fact is, with Obama in office, no business wants to work really hard or start off because of his threats to 'tax' everything in sight. Once we get back a Republican in office, even a moderate like Romney, business can once again start working. Without business, there are no taxes.
I don't dislike Obama. He and his cronies tried. They failed. I like Romney - he is moderate. Not too crazy to the right, and not too crazy to the left.
Remember, above all - the independents and the people of America want someone to lead. Obama divided and many, many people are disappointed.
Whats really pathetic Ron, is that he had everything going his way. He was in the perfect political and economic position to get some important things done. But he let his ideology get in the way. All he had to do is drop the Health Care nonsense, drop the Dodd Frank nonsense, adopt Simpson Bowles, fight for it, and get it passed, approve the Keystone Pipeline, and then he would be cruising to re-election. But now he will lose.
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Right. Healthcare is "nonsense". Also, doctors are "baloney" and hospitals are a "bunch of BS".
I think it's funny how everboy already has the election results all figured out already. You know we vote in November, right?
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Right. Healthcare is "nonsense". Also, doctors are "baloney" and hospitals are a "bunch of BS".
I think it's funny how everboy already has the election results all figured out already. You know we vote in November, right?
$100 gentleman's bet, paypal. Maobungaloo is a 1 term POTUS. Deal?
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Right. Healthcare is "nonsense". Also, doctors are "baloney" and hospitals are a "bunch of BS".
I think it's funny how everboy already has the election results all figured out already. You know we vote in November, right?
Yeah, but six months out, after a nasty primary, the incumbent should be doing better than this in the polls. Im not saying that Romney should be viewed as a heavy favorite or even a clear favorite, but Obama is not in a good position, and he knows it, and the people in the White House that are around him know it, even if the campaign team in Chicago doesnt know it.
I really do think that some Economist/financial expert in the White House is giving them some straight, non bull-shit assessments of how the economy currently is and what it is likely to do in the next six months, based on what has occured with the GDP growth in the last quarter. And I think that is why you have seen Obama step it up with the demaguogery in the last month and why he doesnt even seem to be trying to get independents back.
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Good. Romney is gaining cred w me. F OBAMA!!!!
TREASONOUS BASTARD!!!!
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You have to be impressed with him so far 33. The way that they threw back at the Hilary Rosen comment and the leaking of the empy seats at the Ohio State Arena. The McCain campaign didnt have this kind of fire power in 2008. And no way in hell would a Santorum, Gingrich, or Perry Campaign open up with a TEN point lead among independents.
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Good. Romney is gaining cred w me.
You dont have to say that man.
You've known for 6+ years that Romney was a phony who changed to whatever political ideology was popular at the time.
You've said he sucked for 6 years... now "he's gaining credibility with me" is weak, dog.
Just say "He's better than Obama" and leave it at that. We argue but I really do respect the fact you don't take the official party positions of "Mitt is a credible conserative!" that the party jellyfish have to take.
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You have to be impressed with him so far 33. The way that they threw back at the Hilary Rosen comment and the leaking of the empy seats at the Ohio State Arena. The McCain campaign didnt have this kind of fire power in 2008. And no way in hell would a Santorum, Gingrich, or Perry Campaign open up with a TEN point lead among independents.
Romney is a far better candidate than mclame and wants to win.
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You dont have to say that man.
You've known for 6+ years that Romney was a phony who changed to whatever political ideology was popular at the time.
You've said he sucked for 6 years... now "he's gaining credibility with me" is weak, dog.
Just say "He's better than Obama" and leave it at that. We argue but I really do respect the fact you don't take the official party positions of "Mitt is a credible conserative!" that the party jellyfish have to take.
Anyone who gives a stage to those who feel Ghettobama is a treasonous thug and tyrant gets my nod.
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Anyone who gives a stage to those who feel Ghettobama is a treasonous thug and tyrant gets my nod.
then just say that. But PLEASE don't become one of those repubs who, in 2 weeks, will have transformed to "You know, I think Mitt has been a consistent conservative all along, if you think about it..."
Dude signed a frickin' gun ban in his state. Dude wrote obamacare. Dude said economy is recovery. Dude appointed leftists to court so as to not piss off the dems in Mass state govt.
His only achievements are to achieve office, not rock the boat, succumb to liberal demands on big issues, and be rich. That's it. Let's not go changing his name to Reagan here.
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then just say that. But PLEASE don't become one of those repubs who, in 2 weeks, will have transformed to "You know, I think Mitt has been a consistent conservative all along, if you think about it..."
Dude signed a frickin' gun ban in his state. Dude wrote obamacare. Dude said economy is recovery. Dude appointed leftists to court so as to not piss off the dems in Mass state govt.
His only achievements are to achieve office, not rock the boat, succumb to liberal demands on big issues, and be rich. That's it. Let's not go changing his name to Reagan here.
I am ABO. Get it? A B O.
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I am ABO. Get it? A B O.
I respect that. I"m just saying, PLEASE don't become a romney guy and rewrite his record.
I agree, Romney > Obama. BUt ROmney's just a more conservative liberal.
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then just say that. But PLEASE don't become one of those repubs who, in 2 weeks, will have transformed to "You know, I think Mitt has been a consistent conservative all along, if you think about it..."
Dude signed a frickin' gun ban in his state. Dude wrote obamacare. Dude said economy is recovery. Dude appointed leftists to court so as to not piss off the dems in Mass state govt.
His only achievements are to achieve office, not rock the boat, succumb to liberal demands on big issues, and be rich. That's it. Let's not go changing his name to Reagan here.
He did that in one of the most liberal states in the Union. And he did some good things, such as balancing the budget without raising tax rates. And, actually 240, his record in Mass. is better and more conservative than Reagan's record in California was.
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He did that in one of the most liberal states in the Union. And he did some good things, such as balancing the budget without raising tax rates. And, actually 240, his record in Mass. is better and more conservative than Reagan's record in California was.
and in balancing the budget, he was 47th out of 50th in job creation. Mass is a state with a lot of mental horsepower compared to alabama, georgie, Tenn, etc. Way underperforming - kind of a theme with romeny.
i dunno how he's going to do both - balancing the budget and adding jobs - while at the same time handing over 2+ trillion a year to the wealthy, as per the Ryan plan.
I like the first half - slash spending. But giving most of those saving to the super wealthy in tax breaks? I dont think that creates jobs. They have the Bush cuts and they're putting the money into building iphones in china and investing all their dollars in gold.
giving the wealthy 2 tril a year in breaks isn't going to create more jobs. It's just not. They're still not spending the stim money - they don't want to. They're putting it in foreign currency and precious metals. ANd I think they'll do the same with the Ryan cash.
So romney's record + romney's plan... neither show me how he'll create jobs.
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and in balancing the budget, he was 47th out of 50th in job creation. Mass is a state with a lot of mental horsepower compared to alabama, georgie, Tenn, etc. Way underperforming - kind of a theme with romeny.
i dunno how he's going to do both - balancing the budget and adding jobs - while at the same time handing over 2+ trillion a year to the wealthy, as per the Ryan plan.
I like the first half - slash spending. But giving most of those saving to the super wealthy in tax breaks? I dont think that creates jobs. They have the Bush cuts and they're putting the money into building iphones in china and investing all their dollars in gold.
giving the wealthy 2 tril a year in breaks isn't going to create more jobs. It's just not. They're still not spending the stim money - they don't want to. They're putting it in foreign currency and precious metals. ANd I think they'll do the same with the Ryan cash.
So romney's record + romney's plan... neither show me how he'll create jobs.
Balancing the budget HELPS ADD JOBS, just as it did in the 90s. But you cant do what moronic Europe did, which is raise taxes AND cut spending. That's the worst possible thing.
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Balancing the budget HELPS ADD JOBS, just as it did in the 90s. But you cant do what moronic Europe did, which is raise taxes AND cut spending. That's the worst possible thing.
Give the tax cuts to the poor and middle class fuck the rich
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Give the tax cuts to the poor and middle class fuck the rich
Poor dont pay taxes
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Give the tax cuts to the poor and middle class fuck the rich
yep. i'm all for balancing the budget, and all for cutting spending. And I am cool with KEEPING the budh tax cuts.
but ryan wants to give the super wealthy an extra 2 tril above what they're gtting now under the bush cuts.
mm2k, it's not about "RAISING taxes" - keep them constant for everyone, leave bush cuts in place, and slash spending.
but cutting 'entitlements' like social security then handing the bulk of it to those making 1+ million a year, in the belief they'll suddesly invest it here (when they have a nice track record of taking bush tax cut $ and stim money and NOT doing that) is nuts.
and most repubs know it - everyone backed away from the ryan plan until romney was pretty much trapped into agreeing.
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Poor dont pay taxes
If they dont they dont have any income so there is nothing to tax
My point is if the repub really wanted something with tax cuts they should give them to the middle-class
But they are just corrupt fuckers who wants to take care of their rich friends all behind a cover of freedom
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yep. i'm all for balancing the budget, and all for cutting spending. And I am cool with KEEPING the budh tax cuts.
but ryan wants to give the super wealthy an extra 2 tril above what they're gtting now under the bush cuts.
mm2k, it's not about "RAISING taxes" - keep them constant for everyone, leave bush cuts in place, and slash spending.
but cutting 'entitlements' like social security then handing the bulk of it to those making 1+ million a year, in the belief they'll suddesly invest it here (when they have a nice track record of taking bush tax cut $ and stim money and NOT doing that) is nuts.
and most repubs know it - everyone backed away from the ryan plan until romney was pretty much trapped into agreeing.
Ryan is piece of shit i would like to see him live on a minimum for a while
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If they dont they dont have any income so there is nothing to tax
My point is if the repub really wanted something with tax cuts they should give them to the middle-class
But they are just corrupt fuckers who wants to take care of their rich friends all behind a cover of freedom
Most middle class people dont pay much income tax. Where they get raped is state taxes and fees mostly. FICA taxes are what they are and no one should be immune from that if they want to take money out later in life.
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Most middle class people dont pay much income tax. Where they get raped is state taxes and fees mostly. FICA taxes are what they are and no one should be immune from that if they want to take money out later in life.
Compared to who? The rich?
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Ryan is piece of shit i would like to see him live on a minimum for a while
he loves america, i'm sure.
but his plan slashed medicare and social security greatly. I'm fine with medicare, but a little iffy about social seurity - cause that money BELONGS to the people who paid it.
Even conceding those points - his belief that of the 3 trillion cut, 2 trillion should go to the super rich was absurd. Unbelievably absurd. Indefensible - and so much that the GOPers at the time all tiptoed around it.
Romney was forced to agree to it.
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he loves america, i'm sure.
but his plan slashed medicare and social security greatly. I'm fine with medicare, but a little iffy about social seurity - cause that money BELONGS to the people who paid it.
Even conceding those points - his belief that of the 3 trillion cut, 2 trillion should go to the super rich was absurd. Unbelievably absurd. Indefensible - and so much that the GOPers at the time all tiptoed around it.
Romney was forced to agree to it.
He doesnt love America he would sell his country in an instant if the money was right