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http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html
hmmm, more corroborating evidence...
"A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation"
"The record shows that Zimmerman also suffered bruising in the upper lip and cheek and lower back pain. The two lacerations on the back of his head, one of them nearly an inch long, the other about a quarter-inch long"
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Bullshit. 240 will tell you that he learned on MSDNC that these are all lies.
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In before 240 or Bullshit.
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Uh oh.
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Wait, ill do it for him -
No proof that Trayvon caused it, could have headbutted his truck and fell on the concrete after shooting Trayvon to cover himself.
Oh, and the witness' that saw Trayvon on top only proves that he was losing.
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Is this why we aren't hearing so much about this anymore? We are seeing that trayvon was or may been assaulting Zimmerman and there is evidence to say he was?
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http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html
hmmm, more corroborating evidence...
"A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation"
"The record shows that Zimmerman also suffered bruising in the upper lip and cheek and lower back pain. The two lacerations on the back of his head, one of them nearly an inch long, the other about a quarter-inch long"
Yea, Fox News reported the same story. No doubt that he got his ass beat but if someone had a gun pointed at you, then who wouldn't fight tooth and nail?????
Lets see what CNN is reporting....... ;D
(CNN) -- Prosecutors released a summary of evidence Tuesday in the case against neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, who is accused of second-degree murder in the death of Trayvon Martin.
The eight-page document released to the public contains a list of possible witnesses and law enforcement reports that could be used in the prosecution's case against Zimmerman.
But it doesn't include details from those statements or reports, and contains no new revelations about the case, which sparked nationwide protests and reflection on race relations and gun laws in the United States.
The document is part of the routine exchange of information between prosecutors and defense attorneys that occurs before trials.
Defense attorney Mark O'Mara said Monday on the website set up to release information from Zimmerman's side that his office had received "67 compact discs and numerous hardcopy documents" from prosecutors, including many of the records and statements mentioned in the summary.
"Please remember and understand that it is inappropriate for us to comment on particular pieces of evidence," O'Mara said in the website statement.
Zimmerman, 28, is accused of killing Martin on February 26 as the African-American teenager walked back to the Sanford, Florida, house where he was staying, after visiting a convenience store. Prosecutors have said Zimmerman, who is a white Hispanic, killed Martin unjustly after profiling him.
Zimmerman, who acknowledges shooting Martin but claims self-defense, has entered a not guilty plea in the case, which has not yet been scheduled for trial.
A timeline of the case against George Zimmerman
The document lists 50 possible law enforcement witnesses, including 28 officers from the 140-member Sanford Police Department. It also lists 28 civilian witnesses, including Martin's brother, mother and father, two of Zimmerman's friends -- Joe Oliver and Frank Taffe -- and his father, Robert Zimmerman.
Prosecutors did not give names for 22 other potential civilian witnesses.
Attorneys have previously expressed concern about publicly identifying some witnesses who may fear retribution for their roles in the case, which has inflamed passions among supporters of both Martin and Zimmerman.
At least one of the witness interviews was conducted by Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump, according to the document.
Evidence taken from Zimmerman after the shooting, including his weapon, bullets, clothes, a DNA sample, medical records and his cell phone data were also included in the disclosure to defense attorneys, according to the document.
The document indicates that police technicians in biological and DNA evidence, trace evidence, gunshot residue, fingerprints and firearms may testify, along with two FBI agents, as well as two audio technicians who analyzed emergency calls made during the confrontation between Zimmerman and Martin in an effort to determine who was heard screaming in the background.
Experts Tom Owen and Edward Primeau concluded that the screams did not come from Zimmerman, who told police that Martin rushed him after they exchanged words, knocked him to the ground and repeatedly hit his head against the concrete sidewalk.
Martin, who lived in Miami, died after a chance encounter with Zimmerman in the gated community where he was staying with his father during a suspension from school.
Zimmerman called police to report a suspicious person walking on the streets of the neighborhood, which had been struck by several burglaries in recent months.
Prosecutors say he disregarded a dispatcher's advice not to follow the person, who turned out to be Martin, and shot him after a confrontation minutes later.
While Zimmerman supporters have characterized him as a well-meaning neighborhood watch volunteer who was only trying to protect his community, Martin's family and supporters have said he unfairly profiled Martin as a troublemaker just because he was an African-American teenager walking down the street wearing a hoodie.
Sanford police initially declined to arrest Zimmerman, saying there was no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claim of self-defense under Florida's "stand your ground" law, which allows people to use deadly force anywhere they feel a reasonable threat of serious injury or death.
After weeks of protests demanding Zimmerman's arrest, a special prosecutor appointed by Florida Gov. Rick Scott filed the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman. He was arrested April 11 and briefly jailed. He has returned to hiding after his release on a 150,000 bond
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I dont understand how people that werent even there can be called as witness', unless its simply for character reference.
In which case, I cant understand how the parents (Martins) are going to be honest.
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He took quite an ass whooping after chasing an unarmed minor for 2 blocks, yes.
Trayvon wasn't one of the a-hole home burglars, as he was profiled to be by ZImmerman, based upon whatever factors I can't imagine.
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I dont understand how people that werent even there can be called as witness', unless its simply for character reference.
In which case, I cant understand how the parents (Martins) are going to be honest.
Why would they not be honest...wouldn't serve no purpose as they've already suffered the worse fate...having their only son murdered. Defense definitely isn't going to cross examine as it will piss off the jury. However, its not going to trial...it will likely be pleaded out
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Why would they not be honest...wouldn't serve no purpose as they've already suffered the worse fate...having their only son murdered. Defense definitely isn't going to cross examine as it will piss off the jury. However, its not going to trial...it will likely be pleaded out
Yes, we get it, you keep saying it.
He pleaded not guilty dingus, its going to trial.
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Yea, Fox News reported the same story. No doubt that he got his ass beat but if someone had a gun pointed at you, then who wouldn't fight tooth and nail?????
Lets see what CNN is reporting....... ;D
(CNN) -- Prosecutors released a summary of evidence Tuesday in the case against neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, who is accused of second-degree murder in the death of Trayvon Martin.
The eight-page document released to the public contains a list of possible witnesses and law enforcement reports that could be used in the prosecution's case against Zimmerman.
But it doesn't include details from those statements or reports, and contains no new revelations about the case, which sparked nationwide protests and reflection on race relations and gun laws in the United States.
The document is part of the routine exchange of information between prosecutors and defense attorneys that occurs before trials.
Defense attorney Mark O'Mara said Monday on the website set up to release information from Zimmerman's side that his office had received "67 compact discs and numerous hardcopy documents" from prosecutors, including many of the records and statements mentioned in the summary.
"Please remember and understand that it is inappropriate for us to comment on particular pieces of evidence," O'Mara said in the website statement.
Zimmerman, 28, is accused of killing Martin on February 26 as the African-American teenager walked back to the Sanford, Florida, house where he was staying, after visiting a convenience store. Prosecutors have said Zimmerman, who is a white Hispanic, killed Martin unjustly after profiling him.
Zimmerman, who acknowledges shooting Martin but claims self-defense, has entered a not guilty plea in the case, which has not yet been scheduled for trial.
A timeline of the case against George Zimmerman
The document lists 50 possible law enforcement witnesses, including 28 officers from the 140-member Sanford Police Department. It also lists 28 civilian witnesses, including Martin's brother, mother and father, two of Zimmerman's friends -- Joe Oliver and Frank Taffe -- and his father, Robert Zimmerman.
Prosecutors did not give names for 22 other potential civilian witnesses.
Attorneys have previously expressed concern about publicly identifying some witnesses who may fear retribution for their roles in the case, which has inflamed passions among supporters of both Martin and Zimmerman.
At least one of the witness interviews was conducted by Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump, according to the document.
Evidence taken from Zimmerman after the shooting, including his weapon, bullets, clothes, a DNA sample, medical records and his cell phone data were also included in the disclosure to defense attorneys, according to the document.
The document indicates that police technicians in biological and DNA evidence, trace evidence, gunshot residue, fingerprints and firearms may testify, along with two FBI agents, as well as two audio technicians who analyzed emergency calls made during the confrontation between Zimmerman and Martin in an effort to determine who was heard screaming in the background.
Experts Tom Owen and Edward Primeau concluded that the screams did not come from Zimmerman, who told police that Martin rushed him after they exchanged words, knocked him to the ground and repeatedly hit his head against the concrete sidewalk.
Martin, who lived in Miami, died after a chance encounter with Zimmerman in the gated community where he was staying with his father during a suspension from school.
Zimmerman called police to report a suspicious person walking on the streets of the neighborhood, which had been struck by several burglaries in recent months.
Prosecutors say he disregarded a dispatcher's advice not to follow the person, who turned out to be Martin, and shot him after a confrontation minutes later.
While Zimmerman supporters have characterized him as a well-meaning neighborhood watch volunteer who was only trying to protect his community, Martin's family and supporters have said he unfairly profiled Martin as a troublemaker just because he was an African-American teenager walking down the street wearing a hoodie.
Sanford police initially declined to arrest Zimmerman, saying there was no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claim of self-defense under Florida's "stand your ground" law, which allows people to use deadly force anywhere they feel a reasonable threat of serious injury or death.
After weeks of protests demanding Zimmerman's arrest, a special prosecutor appointed by Florida Gov. Rick Scott filed the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman. He was arrested April 11 and briefly jailed. He has returned to hiding after his release on a 150,000 bond
any proof what so ever that zimmerman pointed a gun at trayvon before the altercation started?
NOOO
so what youre saying is that the information released corroborates zimmermans story and still gives the prosecution no evidence?
nice...
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He took quite an ass whooping after chasing an unarmed minor for 2 blocks, yes.
Trayvon wasn't one of the a-hole home burglars, as he was profiled to be by ZImmerman, based upon whatever factors I can't imagine.
to bad keeping an eye on someone isnt a crime or that might matter ;)
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to bad keeping an eye on someone isnt a crime or that might matter ;)
"He's running away". Yeah, I clearly see Trayvon as the aggressor in this situation.
The shoot itself was legal but because Zimm did everything he could to cause a confrontation, he shall be pleading and getting 8 years in prison. Watch and see.
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"He's running away". Yeah, I clearly see Trayvon as the aggressor in this situation.
The shoot itself was legal but because Zimm did everything he could to cause a confrontation, he shall be pleading and getting 8 years in prison. Watch and see.
what part of keeping an eye on someone is illegal again? I forgot...
still no proof of any crimes eh?
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what part of keeping an eye on someone is illegal again? I forgot...
still no proof of any crimes eh
Trayvon was an unarmed kid who was chased for 2 blocks by an older man with a gun, while calling him profane names and accusing him of crimes.
We know what the prosecutor said. Let's see what the jury says.
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Trayvon was an unarmed kid who was chased for 2 blocks by an older man with a gun, while calling him profane names and accusing him of crimes.
We know what the prosecutor said. Let's see what the jury says.
and what part of that is illegal? I forget...
so still no proof of any crimes eh?
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http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html
hmmm, more corroborating evidence...
"A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation"
"The record shows that Zimmerman also suffered bruising in the upper lip and cheek and lower back pain. The two lacerations on the back of his head, one of them nearly an inch long, the other about a quarter-inch long"
sounds like injuries he might get during a fight
does anyone dispute the Zimmerman was in a fight with Martin?
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sounds like injuries he might get during a fight
does anyone dispute the Zimmerman was in a fight with Martin?
I believe you have said that his injuries dont prove anything, that he could have done that to himself...
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I believe you have said that his injuries dont prove anything, that he could have done that to himself...
I never said he harmed himself intentially
I did give many ways he could have scraped his head
I did say his injuries aren't proof of his story beyond the fact that he and TM had a physical altercation that ended in Zimmerman shooting Martin
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I never said he harmed himself intentially
I did give many ways he could have scraped his head
I did say his injuries aren't proof of his story beyond the fact that he and TM had a physical altercation that ended in Zimmerman shooting Martin
you also said that, there was no proof he was even injured or that his injuries were life threatening.
This lends credence to his statement that he believed his life to be in danger, no?
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you also said that, there was no proof he was even injured or that his injuries were life threatening.
This lends credence to his statement that he believed his life to be in danger, no?
I've never seen any proof fo these two black eyes so hopefully the cops too some photos (weird how we haven't seen them yet)
and none of his claimed injuries sound even remotely life threatening
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I've never seen any proof fo these two black eyes so hopefully the cops too some photos (weird how we haven't seen them yet)
and none of his claimed injuries sound even remotely life threatening
Haha, I love posts like this. Apparently Zimmerman was supposed to analyze the extent of his injuries in the middle of a fight while getting his head smashed on the concrete and determine whether they were life threatening or not.
Out of curiosity, do you realize how fucking stupid you sound?
He took quite an ass whooping after chasing an unarmed minor for 2 blocks, yes.
Trayvon wasn't one of the a-hole home burglars, as he was profiled to be by ZImmerman, based upon whatever factors I can't imagine.
Following isn't chasing. Are you still trying to play word games after getting bitch slapped all over this topic last month?
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Haha, I love posts like this. Apparently Zimmerman was supposed to analyze the extent of his injuries in the middle of a fight while getting his head smashed on the concrete and determine whether they were life threatening or not.
Out of curiosity, do you realize how fucking stupid you sound?
Following isn't chasing. Are you still trying to play word games after getting bitch slapped all over this topic last month?
I'd settle for some post fight pics of the two black eyes but again that would only support what everyone agrees on, that these two guys had a fight
it's been a few months now so i'm sure they've come back from the photo lab
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He must have punched himself in the nose too.
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Autopsy Results Show Trayvon Martin Had Injuries To His Knuckles
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/autopsy-results-show-trayvon-martin-had-injuries-h/nN6gs/ ^ | May 15, 2012 | WFTV
Posted on May 15, 2012 6:12:31 PM EDT by sheikdetailfeather
SANFORD, Fla. —
WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.
The information could support George Zimmerman's claim that Martin beat him up before Zimmerman shot and killed him.
The autopsy results come as Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O’Mara continues to go over other evidence in the case.
O’Mara wouldn't comment on the autopsy evidence, but WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said it's better for the defense than it is for the prosecution.
WFTV has learned that the medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: The fatal gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles.
When you compare Trayvon’s non-fatal injury with Zimmerman's bloody head wounds, the autopsy evidence is better for the defense, Sheaffer said.
“It goes along with Zimmerman's story that he acted in self-defense, because he was getting beaten up by Trayvon Martin,” Sheaffer said.
The injury to Martin’s knuckle also fits with Zimmerman's story that before he shot and killed Martin, Martin had broken his nose and knocked him to the ground, slamming his head on the sidewalk.
(Excerpt) Read more at wftv.com ...
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Following isn't chasing. Are you still trying to play word games after getting bitch slapped all over this topic last month?
"HE's getting away".
Yeah, to me, that's chasing. I guess we'll see what a jury thinks. Zimm caught up to him 2 blocks later, as we see.
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"HE's getting away".
Yeah, to me, that's chasing. I guess we'll see what a jury thinks. Zimm caught up to him 2 blocks later, as we see.
Lulz.
Dude had a broken nose, lacerations, EYEwitness' who saw Travyon on top of him, and Zimmermans knucles were fucked up.
No evidence AGAINST what Zimmerman said.
No evidence Zimmerman instigated the fight. (FYI him saying im following him, and then turning around and saying I gave up and went back to my truck, pretty much fucks you.)
Defense rests.
Your case, fuckhead.
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Lulz.
Dude had a broken nose, lacerations, EYEwitness' who saw Travyon on top of him, and Zimmermans knucles were fucked up.
No evidence AGAINST what Zimmerman said.
No evidence Zimmerman instigated the fight. (FYI him saying im following him, and then turning around and saying I gave up and went back to my truck, pretty much fucks you.)
Defense rests.
Your case, fuckhead.
LOL
Plenty of evidence zimm was getting his ass kicked by a kid, yes.
Also plenty of evidence (from zimm himself) that trayvon was running away, and that Zimm caught up with him 2 blocks from there. Plenty of evidence zimm thought he was a burglar, and believed 'these assholes always get away', and zimm's actions were working to counter that.
We're a bunch of armchair prosecutors here. But why did the republican prosecutor charge him? And we may need more than a CT of "to stop race riots", cause that shit would have been over in 1 news cycle.
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LOL
Plenty of evidence zimm was getting his ass kicked by a kid, yes.
Also plenty of evidence (from zimm himself) that trayvon was running away, and that Zimm caught up with him 2 blocks from there. Plenty of evidence zimm thought he was a burglar, and believed 'these assholes always get away', and zimm's actions were working to counter that.
We're a bunch of armchair prosecutors here. But why did the republican prosecutor charge him? And we may need more than a CT of "to stop race riots", cause that shit would have been over in 1 news cycle.
Agree, but your evidence is all circumstantial and has no way of being proven of disproven. Especially the whole "Caught up with him", when it directly contradicts HIS story that Trayvon caught up with HIM. And you have no way of disproving it.
His evidence keeps piling up.
He entered a plea of not guilty.
Your going to have to eat crow dude, im calling it.
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Agree, but your evidence is all circumstantial and has no way of being proven of disproven.
His does.
He entered a plea of not guilty.
Your going to have to eat crow dude, im calling it.
Why did the prosecutor charge him? Why is the FBI considering charges? Why did the police chief resign? Why was the lead detective overridden by that chief who showed up late on a sunday night, after the detective had talked to zimm all evening and considered him to be lying?
There's a lot of evidence we don't see yet. But I have to believe - in light of what we've heard and in light of what all these people are doing - that the evidence showed zimmerman lied about things. And in a case of "dead kid lying there and it's all your word", being a repeat liar ain't a good thing. He said trayvon was circling the van, THAT woudl have been on the 911 call. He said trayvon was covering his mouth and saying "you die tonight", but the 911 tape shows trayvon silent and zimmerman yelling very clearly.
These little lies add up. Even if the shoot was legal, if the witness (zimmerman) is lying about everything else, you tend to not believe him on the shoot itself. It seems the prosecutor agrees here.
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It's not looking good for the prosecutors. If you've ever been hit in the nose, you know that it almost blinds you. Eyes start to water and you can barely see. Happened to me once when someone got their hand under my face mask. Ran to the sideline like a blind baby after the play. I can see that happening to Zimmerman. Would definitely cloud his ability to see what was happening, especially if his head is slammed on the ground and he is getting clocked in both eyes.
I can't believe they charged him with murder based on what I've seen so far.
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I assume the family doctor took some photos of the black eyes and has xrays of the broken nose
it will be interesting to hear him/her on the witness stand and compare it to the testimony of the EMT's who didn't even find the need to put a band aid on Zimmermans head
I'm also sure the prosecution and defense has much more info than is in the public domain
time will tell
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Haha, I love posts like this. Apparently Zimmerman was supposed to analyze the extent of his injuries in the middle of a fight while getting his head smashed on the concrete and determine whether they were life threatening or not.
Out of curiosity, do you realize how fucking stupid you sound?
Following isn't chasing. Are you still trying to play word games after getting bitch slapped all over this topic last month?
Its called Confirmation Bias. People make up a conclusion first and no matter what facts or evidence come along, they don`t change their preconceived notion or they try to work in contradictory evidence in order to support their hypothesis. This is a common tactic that is usually reserved by the religious, conspiracy theorists and Science deniers.
Its really bad regarding this issue, so much, that usually clear thinking people are beginning to sound and act like the people they once chastised.
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Its called Confirmation Bias. People make up a conclusion first and no matter what facts or evidence come along, they don`t change their preconceived notion or they try to work in contradictory evidence in order to support their hypothesis. This is a common tactic that is usually reserved by the religious, conspiracy theorists and Science deniers.
Its really bad regarding this issue, so much, that usually clear thinking people are beginning to sound and act like the people they once chastised.
Its cause they 1st heard an "innocent little kid died".
The media fucked this one for Zimmerman hard.
As soon as that young pic ran and people got the "innocent little kid died" mentality, that was it.
Most people dont even bother to follow up, mind made up, thats it.
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Its cause they 1st heard an "innocent little kid died".
The media fucked this one for Zimmerman hard.As soon as that young pic ran and people got the "innocent little kid died" mentality, that was it.
Most people dont even bother to follow up, mind made up, thats it.
Zimmerman fucked himself
he stalked and shot to death an unarmed kid
In the end this will come down to whether the use of deadly force was justifed
The state of Florida just sentenced a woman to 20 years in jail.
Her crime was shooting a warning shot into the ceiling of her home to stop her husband from attacking her in her own home. The husband had previously attacked her and put her in the hospital and I think at the time of the shooting she had just given birth a few weeks earliier
Apparently your home doesn't count as "your ground" in Florida, at least not for this woman
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Zimmerman fucked himself
he stalked and shot to death an unarmed kid
In the end this will come down to whether the use of deadly force was justifed
The state of Florida just sentenced a woman to 20 years in jail.
Her crime was shooting a warning shot into the ceiling of her home to stop her husband from attacking her in her own home. The husband had previously attacked her and put her in the hospital and I think at the time of the shooting she had just given birth a few weeks earliier
Apparently your home doesn't count as "your ground" in Florida, at least not for this woman
Hmm...
Maybe she should have been a man?
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Hmm...
Maybe she should have been a man?
and not black
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and not black
Ah ha.
Problem solved.
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Zimmerman fucked himself
he stalked and shot to death an unarmed kid
In the end this will come down to whether the use of deadly force was justifed
straw do you think that getting beaten severly enough to receive a broken nose, black eyes, gashes to your head from having it slammed against the concrete and then the person assualting you going for your gun is reason enough to fear for your life?
I dont see how any reasonable person would see that and think that zimmerman wasnt in fear for his life...
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straw do you think that getting beaten severly enough to receive a broken nose, black eyes, gashes to your head from having it slammed against the concrete and then the person assualting you going for your gun is reason enough to fear for your life?
I dont see how any reasonable person would see that and think that zimmerman wasnt in fear for his life...
your question is for a jury to decide
Just because he thought his life was in danger doesn't mean the jury will agree
l personally don't believe his injuries are consistent with his life being in danger.....not even close
edit - actually I think a judge first gets to decide if Zimmerman can claim "stand your ground" defense
maybe someone who knows FL law has better knowldege on the procedure
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your question is for a jury to decide
Just because he thought his life was in danger doesn't mean the jury will agree
l personally don't believe his injuries are consistent with his life being in danger.....not even close
edit - actually I think a judge first gets to decide if Zimmerman can claim "stand your ground" defense
maybe someone who knows FL law has better knowldege on the procedure
you cannot simply look at his injuries you have to look at the entire situation.
He was beaten severly, so much so that his nose was broke, his face was beaten so much that his eyes were black and his face bruised, his head repeatedly slammed against the concrete causing gashes on the back of his head.
THEN...
the person who had ravaged him began trying to take the gun away...
do you think that its reasonable that a person in that situation would fear for their life?
I know its up to a jury to decide but we are discussing this so please answer the question.
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you cannot simply look at his injuries you have to look at the entire situation.
He was beaten severly, so much so that his nose was broke, his face was beaten so much that his eyes were black and his face bruised, his head repeatedly slammed against the concrete causing gashes on the back of his head.
THEN...
the person who had ravaged him began trying to take the gun away...
do you think that its reasonable that a person in that situation would fear for their life?
I know its up to a jury to decide but we are discussing this so please answer the question.
I don't know any of that to be true
I certainly have seen no evidence of a severe beating and the EMT didn't even put a band aid on the guys head. You'd think if his head was slammed into the cement so severely they would have at least given him an ice pack
Regarding the claim that Martin when for his gun. I'd like to know when the gun came out. Where was he carrying it. I would second by second details of the encounter. For all me know Martin was trying to get the gun away because Zimmerman was threatening him with it
If there is a trial all this stuff shoucd come out. For all we know Zimmermans story will crumble under examination and if not the jury will stil have to dcecide if deadly force was justified
Zimmerman gets to make the choide to use deadly force but he doesn't get to make the decision as to whether it was justified or not
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straw, this is zimmermans story...
there is no evidence that we know of that his story is false as a matter of fact he has corroborating evidence to parts of his story.
ill ask again, IF YOU were getting beat up and the acoster went for a gun you had would you feel like your life was in danger?
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The state of Florida just sentenced a woman to 20 years in jail.
Her crime was shooting a warning shot into the ceiling of her home to stop her husband from attacking her in her own home. The husband had previously attacked her and put her in the hospital and I think at the time of the shooting she had just given birth a few weeks earliier
From what I read, she grabbed a gun that she had in the garage, went back into the main part of the house, and fired into the wall AT the husband AND the kids who were near the husband. Judge and jury says she did it out of anger...not fear.
That's hardly a self-defense claim.
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From what I read, she grabbed a gun that she had in the garage, went back into the main part of the house, and fired into the wall AT the husband AND the kids who were near the husband. Judge and jury says she did it out of anger...not fear.
That's hardly a self-defense claim.
I agree... but then stalking an unarmed kid should be considered as well.
I personally think it's going to come down to whether or not the jury believes that he put himself in harms why by his own actions.
I think it's a 50/50 on that call... I myself am undecided.
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I agree... but then stalking an unarmed kid should be considered as well.
I personally think it's going to come down to whether or not the jury believes that he put himself in harms why by his own actions.
I think it's a 50/50 on that call... I myself am undecided.
It's not illegal to follow someone. That seems to be the only thing anyone arguing in favor of this "kid" has. There is nothing illegal about following a suspicious looking person in a gated community that suffered a string of break-ins to boot.
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It's not illegal to follow someone. That seems to be the only thing anyone arguing in favor of this "kid" has. There is nothing illegal about following a suspicious looking person in a gated community that suffered a string of break-ins to boot.
I don't know..
Stalking
Fla. Stat. § 784.048. Stalking; definitions; penalties. (2008)
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) "Harass" means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.
(b) "Course of conduct" means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of "course of conduct." Such constitutionally protected activity includes picketing or other organized protests.
(c) "Credible threat" means a threat made with the intent to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety. The threat must be against the life of, or a threat to cause bodily injury to, a person.
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From what I read, she grabbed a gun that she had in the garage, went back into the main part of the house, and fired into the wall AT the husband AND the kids who were near the husband. Judge and jury says she did it out of anger...not fear.
That's hardly a self-defense claim.
check out the link and if you find more info please post it
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57434757-504083/fla-woman-marissa-alexander-gets-20-years-for-warning-shot-did-she-stand-her-ground/
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I agree... but then stalking an unarmed kid should be considered as well.
I personally think it's going to come down to whether or not the jury believes that he put himself in harms why by his own actions.
I think it's a 50/50 on that call... I myself am undecided.
good point
I think that is going to be a key issue as well
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I don't know..
Stalking
Fla. Stat. § 784.048. Stalking; definitions; penalties. (2008)
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) "Harass" means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.
(b) "Course of conduct" means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of "course of conduct." Such constitutionally protected activity includes picketing or other organized protests.
(c) "Credible threat" means a threat made with the intent to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety. The threat must be against the life of, or a threat to cause bodily injury to, a person.
Except what he did doesn't fit any of those descriptions. All signs indicate that he was walking back to his car after losing track of Trayvon when he was attacked.
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Except what he did doesn't fit any of those descriptions. All signs indicate that he was walking back to his car after losing track of Trayvon when he was attacked.
I guess it depends on how the prosecution makes it look when the trial starts.
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I don't know..
Stalking
Fla. Stat. § 784.048. Stalking; definitions; penalties. (2008)
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) "Harass" means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.
(b) "Course of conduct" means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of "course of conduct." Such constitutionally protected activity includes picketing or other organized protests.
(c) "Credible threat" means a threat made with the intent to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety. The threat must be against the life of, or a threat to cause bodily injury to, a person.
serves "no legitimate purpose"
a person who fit the discription of perpetrators of multple break ins in the area was followed.
Seems like a legit purpose to me...
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serves "no legitimate purpose"
a person who fit the discription of perpetrators of multple break ins in the area was followed.
Seems like a legit purpose to me...
Possibly... I can see it going either way.
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I don't know..
Stalking
Fla. Stat. § 784.048. Stalking; definitions; penalties. (2008)
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) "Harass" means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.
(b) "Course of conduct" means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of "course of conduct." Such constitutionally protected activity includes picketing or other organized protests.
(c) "Credible threat" means a threat made with the intent to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety. The threat must be against the life of, or a threat to cause bodily injury to, a person.
Eh.. none of those really cover following someone. To be a "credible threat", I think he would have had to threaten him in some way.... He wasnt "harassing" him, as he wasnt really engaging him, just tailing him.
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check out the link and if you find more info please post it
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57434757-504083/fla-woman-marissa-alexander-gets-20-years-for-warning-shot-did-she-stand-her-ground/
Your own link says it richochet from the wall to the ceiling...not that she fired into the ceiling.
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I agree... but then stalking an unarmed kid should be considered as well.
I personally think it's going to come down to whether or not the jury believes that he put himself in harms why by his own actions.
I think it's a 50/50 on that call... I myself am undecided.
I think it's going to come down to whether or not they believe Martin circled around and attacked him, or if they think Zimmerman just provoked it.
But if it's unproveable either way...I would think we would have to err in favor of the defendant as he's innocent until proven guilty.
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What I've read so far sounds like Martin was administering a beat down and made the mistake of attacking a man with a gun.
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I think it's going to come down to whether or not they believe Martin circled around and attacked him, or if they think Zimmerman just provoked it.
But if it's unproveable either way...I would think we would have to err in favor of the defendant as he's innocent until proven guilty.
Hey, someone else that gets it.
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Your own link says it richochet from the wall to the ceiling...not that she fired into the ceiling.
the link says this:
Gray told prosecutors in the deposition that Alexander came back into the house holding the weapon and told him to leave. He refused, and what happened next is somewhat unclear. In his deposition, Gray said "she shot in the air one time," prompting him and the children to run out the front door. But when Gray called 911 the day of the incident, he said "she aimed the gun at us and she shot."
Also, this guy had previously attacked her and put her in the hospital so when he started attacking her this time she ran into the garage to get her gun but could not flee through the garage because it was locked and presumable her 9 day old child was also still in the house so she went back into the kitchen and first told him to leave and then fired a "warning shot" in the air
What she should have done was shot and killed this guy and then we would have only been able to hear her side of the story. This guy had a prior volent history with both her and others so she had a very legitimate reason to be in fear of her life and it's unlikely anyone would have doubted her story
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I think it's going to come down to whether or not they believe Martin circled around and attacked him, or if they think Zimmerman just provoked it.
But if it's unproveable either way...I would think we would have to err in favor of the defendant as he's innocent until proven guilty.
there is still the question about whether deadly force was justified
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Zimmerman: Martin's last words were "it's over"
cbsnews.com ^ | May 16, 2012 | Mark Strassmann
Posted on May 16, 2012 9:17:49 PM EDT by Free ThinkerNY
(CBS News) SANFORD, Fla., - The trial of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with murdering Trayvon Martin is still months away, but the investigation continues.
CBS News correspondent Mark Strassmann has come up with new information about what happened that February night when Zimmerman shot the unarmed teenager in a gated community in Sanford, Florida.
At the heart of this case is what happened of the course of 90 seconds: from the moment Zimmerman hung up with a non-emergency dispatcher -- to the first 911 call from a neighbor.
Wednesday new details emerged from sources close to the investigation. A responder at the crime scene told CBS News that he and others saw wounds on the knuckles of one of Martin's hands as he lay dead on this lawn, suggesting Martin had thrown a punch.
Zimmerman told police he fired the shot at point blank range while on his back, as the 17-year-old straddled him.
He also told investigators Martin did not die immediately but mumbled either "it's over" or "you got me."
(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...
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straw do you think that getting beaten severly enough to receive a broken nose, black eyes, gashes to your head from having it slammed against the concrete and then the person assualting you going for your gun is reason enough to fear for your life?
Lots of assumptions there. You have to believe zimmy here. Do you? There are a lot of inconsistencies, and it really sounds like he exaggerates shit just a little, all of the time, to serve his own purposes. Stretching the truth on ANYTHING when you shot someoene will get you prison time. Stretching the truth on a few things? Really bad.
If you wanna ASSUME... we can assume the other way too (as the prosecution will)
Kid ran away - Zimm admitted that. Zim pursued him for 2 blocks - we know cause zimm said he was at truck and he shot kid 2 blocks away. Kid saw a grownup with a gun chasing him thru the yards and out of fear of his life, swung first.
ONE PUNCH could have caused a broken nose (which is instantly 2 black eyes, if you've ever been punched hard in the nose).
And since he's a glass jawed bitch, zimerman went down to the ground and cracked his head.
Trayvon was trying to keep from getting shot by the man who had chased him 2 blocks with a gun. Trying to pin his hands so he didn't shoot him.
See ,that's how the prosecutor will paint it. JUST AS MUCH EVIDENCE FOR THAT ;)
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What I've read so far sounds like Martin was administering a beat down and made the mistake of attacking a man with a gun.
yes, Martin was holding his daily beat down seminar and hapless but well armed Zimmerman just happened upon the scene
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yes, Martin was holding his daily beat down seminar and hapless but well armed Zimmerman just happened upon the scene
One less ghetto thug off the street and we care why?
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Lots of assumptions there. You have to believe zimmy here. Do you? There are a lot of inconsistencies, and it really sounds like he exaggerates shit just a little, all of the time, to serve his own purposes. Stretching the truth on ANYTHING when you shot someoene will get you prison time. Stretching the truth on a few things? Really bad.
If you wanna ASSUME... we can assume the other way too (as the prosecution will)
Kid ran away - Zimm admitted that. Zim pursued him for 2 blocks - we know cause zimm said he was at truck and he shot kid 2 blocks away. Kid saw a grownup with a gun chasing him thru the yards and out of fear of his life, swung first.
ONE PUNCH could have caused a broken nose (which is instantly 2 black eyes, if you've ever been punched hard in the nose).
And since he's a glass jawed bitch, zimerman went down to the ground and cracked his head.
Trayvon was trying to keep from getting shot by the man who had chased him 2 blocks with a gun. Trying to pin his hands so he didn't shoot him.
See ,that's how the prosecutor will paint it. JUST AS MUCH EVIDENCE FOR THAT ;)
the only problem with your assumptions is that youre assuming he is guilty.
IN AMERICAN!!! you assume the person is innocent and prove them guilty.
LMFAO supposition is not evidence you moronic fuck...
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the only problem with your assumptions is that youre assuming he is guilty.
IN AMERICAN!!! you assume the person is innocent and prove them guilty.
LMFAO supposition is not evidence you moronic fuck...
stop thinking guilty/not guilty - we're talking about the confrontation.
We have ZERO EVIDENCE of who started it. Zimm's STATEMENT isn't proof of anything other than his desire to keep himself out of jail. We have NO PROOF who started the fight - but we do know one man was running 2 blocks to avoid a confrontation, and one man traveled 2 blocks with a gun to 'catch up' with him
If I'm on that jury, and I have to decide who started it, it's probably not the one that ran two blocks to avoid a confrontation.
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stop thinking guilty/not guilty - we're talking about the confrontation.
We have ZERO EVIDENCE of who started it. Zimm's STATEMENT isn't proof of anything other than his desire to keep himself out of jail. We have NO PROOF who started the fight - but we do know one man was running 2 blocks to avoid a confrontation, and one man traveled 2 blocks with a gun to 'catch up' with him
If I'm on that jury, and I have to decide who started it, it's probably not the one that ran two blocks to avoid a confrontation.
Unless you are 95 percent sure you should not convict.
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stop thinking guilty/not guilty - we're talking about the confrontation.
We have ZERO EVIDENCE of who started it. Zimm's STATEMENT isn't proof of anything other than his desire to keep himself out of jail. We have NO PROOF who started the fight - but we do know one man was running 2 blocks to avoid a confrontation, and one man traveled 2 blocks with a gun to 'catch up' with him
If I'm on that jury, and I have to decide who started it, it's probably not the one that ran two blocks to avoid a confrontation.
it was trayvon who first addressed zimmerman wasnt it?
the whole point is to think guilty/not guilty you dip shit...
again innocent until proven guilty, and supposition doesnt count as evidence...
you keep saying that all zimmerman has is his word, well what do you have?
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it was trayvon who first addressed zimmerman wasnt it?
according to who?
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according to who?
trayvons girlfriend...
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yo
u keep saying that all zimmerman has is his word, well what do you have?
evidence that 1 man tried to run 2 blocks to avoid a confrontation.
and 1 man very quickly walked 2 blocks in order to catch the guy who was running away.
the jury has to decide who started the fight. we know tryveon actually ran to avoid a conflict with the armed man 10 years older.
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trayvons girlfriend...
oh wait, getbiggers said she wasn't credible. didn't she claim something that COMPLETELY COUNTERED zimm's story that trayvon doubled back and jumped him?
Hmmmm you only wanna use the part of her story that serves zimm, right?
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yo
evidence that 1 man tried to run 2 blocks to avoid a confrontation.
and 1 man very quickly walked 2 blocks in order to catch the guy who was running away.
the jury has to decide who started the fight. we know tryveon actually ran to avoid a conflict with the armed man 10 years older.
LOL you also know that zimmerman was on his way back to his truck...
that is unless you believe him and its clear you do as your using his words to bolster your supposition
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oh wait, getbiggers said she wasn't credible. didn't she claim something that COMPLETELY COUNTERED zimm's story that trayvon doubled back and jumped him?
Hmmmm you only wanna use the part of her story that serves zimm, right?
hmmm sounds alot like you doesnt it?
you only want to use the part of zimm's story that leaves the door open for your supposition?
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Hey, someone else that gets it.
Uh, what country is this again?
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LOL you also know that zimmerman was on his way back to his truck...
that is unless you believe him and its clear you do as your using his words to bolster your supposition
He was on the phone with 911, said he was at his truck.
3 minutes later he was screaming his head off and pulling trigger.
Now getbiggers say "he wasn't running". In that case, he powerwalks like usain bolt. Goes OVER 3 blocks in admitted pursuit, give up, then inexplicably the kid who was running away decides to change course. It's just not likely. Way more likely trayvon got around corner and kept chatting (as GF claims) and zimm cut thru yards to intercept his ass.
The prosecutor is rolling with this theory as well. Up to the jury to decide.
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One less ghetto thug off the street and we care why?
You would care if it was your brother or your father or someone that was in your life. Obviously, you've never seen a person die....I've watched 4 people die in my life and there's nothing great about it no matter who it is
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have they came out with evidence on who started the altercation yet?
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it was trayvon who first addressed zimmerman wasnt it?
the whole point is to think guilty/not guilty you dip shit...
again innocent until proven guilty, and supposition doesnt count as evidence...
you keep saying that all zimmerman has is his word, well what do you have?
who knows?
do you?
the only think we know for sure is Martin was walking home, unarmed and committing no crime and we also know that Zimmerman thought he looked suspicious and was following him
we also know that Martin ended up dead and Zimmerman had minor injuries that didn't require so much as a band aid
other than that we don't know ANYTHING ELSE
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who knows?
do you?
the only think we know for sure is Martin was walking home, unarmed and committing no crime and we also know that Zimmerman thought he looked suspicious and was following him
we also know that Martin ended up dead and Zimmerman had minor injuries that didn't require so much as a band aid
other than that we don't know ANYTHING ELSE
We do know that Zimmerman decided against going to the hospital as per his "Family Doctors" medical report...
Nothin to see here... move along
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We do know that Zimmerman decided against going to the hospital as per his "Family Doctors" medical report...
Nothin to see here... move along
and the EMT's didn't think the cut on his head was even serious enough for a band aid and also after allegedly having his head slammed on the concrete multiple times they didn't even think he needed an ice pack for the non-existent swelling
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have they came out with evidence on who started the altercation yet?
There is ZERO evidence of which man started the fight.
Plenty showing which one pursued two blocks with a gun in the night.
Plenty showing which one was running away "He's running away". Oh geez his goose be cooked.
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autopsy says that Martin was shot at an "intermediate range" whatever that means and that besides the gunshut wound Martins only other injury was described as
"The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old Martin had one other fresh injury – a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size – on his left ring finger below the knuckle"
Both documents are part of a mountain of evidence – up to 300 pages and 67 CDs of witness statements, surveillance videos and other material-- expected to be made public soon in connection with the second-degree murder case against Zimmerman
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http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-killed-by-single-gunshot-fired-from-intermediate-range-autopsy-shows?lite
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so trayvon punched him in the nose once after he was chased for two blocks by a man wiht a gun.
man gets a busted nose and falls down.
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autopsy says that Martin was shot at an "intermediate range" whatever that means and that besides the gunshut wound Martins only other injury was described as
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http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-killed-by-single-gunshot-fired-from-intermediate-range-autopsy-shows?lite
intermediate range means that he shoot from from around 10 feet. The way to determine that is if Trayvon had any gunpowder residue on him. Apparantly he didn't which basically contradicts Zimmerman's story about shooting him while in a struggle
But there's another site saying he was shot from 1 inch to 18 inches away....that's close range....what a mess
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intermediate range means that he shoot from from around 10 feet. The way to determine that is if Trayvon had any gunpowder residue on him. Apparantly he didn't which basically contradicts Zimmerman's story about shooting him while in a struggle
yeah, I was wondering about the powder residue or burn marks or something that I assume (I don't know) would be the case if he was shot within a few inches to a foot or so.
Zimmerman story could start to completely fall apart as some very basic facts come out
The one tiny appraision on on finger is not exactly consistent with Zimmermans story either and we haven't heard anything yet from EMTs
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intermediate range means that he shoot from from around 10 feet. The way to determine that is if Trayvon had any gunpowder residue on him. Apparantly he didn't which basically contradicts Zimmerman's story about shooting him while in a struggle
But there's another site saying he was shot from 1 inch to 18 inches away....that's close range....what a mess
Uh . . . .
Dr. Michael Baden, the former New York City medical examiner, said "intermediate" in such cases is defined as the muzzle of the gun being one to 18 inches away from the entry point when fired.
"If the muzzle is right against the skin, that’s a contact wound," Baden said. Anything beyond 18 inches is considered "distant" range in coroner's parlance, Baden said.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/17/autopsy-reportedly-shows-trayvon-martin-died-from-single-gunshot-wound-fired-at/
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Uh . . . .
Dr. Michael Baden, the former New York City medical examiner, said "intermediate" in such cases is defined as the muzzle of the gun being one to 18 inches away from the entry point when fired.
"If the muzzle is right against the skin, that’s a contact wound," Baden said. Anything beyond 18 inches is considered "distant" range in coroner's parlance, Baden said.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/17/autopsy-reportedly-shows-trayvon-martin-died-from-single-gunshot-wound-fired-at/
Yea...I consider that close range.....still a fucking mess
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Cops, Witnesses Back Up George Zimmerman's Version of Trayvon Martin Shooting
George Zimmerman is shown with lacerations to his face and the back of his head on Feb 27, 2012. (Florida State District Attorney's Office)
By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC) , SENI TIENABESO (@senijr_abc) and COLLEEN CURRY
May 17, 2012
Two police reports written the night that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin said that Zimmerman had a bloody face and nose, according to police reports made public today.
The reports also note that two witness accounts appear to back up Zimmerman's version of what happened when they describe a man on his back with another person wearing a hoodie straddling him and throwing punches.
In addition, Trayvon Martin's father told an investigator after listening to 911 tapes that captured a man's voice frantically callling for help that it was not his son calling for help.
The new information is part of a trove of documents released by the Florida State Attorney today in the case against Zimmerman, who is charged with second degree murder for the Feb. 26 killing of Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old African American male.
Zimmerman, 28, is a multi-racial Hispanic man who volunteered for the neighborhood watch committee who claimed that he shot Martin in self-defense after the 6-foot tall, 160 pound teenager knocked him to the ground, banged his head against the ground and went for Zimmerman's gun.
Two police officers reported that when they arrived at the scene of the shooting, Zimmerman seemed to have a broken nose and bloodied face. One wrote that his "facial area was bloodied," and the back of his clothing was soiled with wet grass.
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"Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of his head," Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote.
Another officer wrote, "I saw that Zimmerman's face was bloodied and it appeared to me that his nose was broken."
Witnesses, whose names were redacted from the report, also lent support to Zimmerman's version of what happened.
"He witnesses a black male, wearing a dark colored 'hoodie' on top of a white or Hispanic male and throwing punches 'MMA (mixed martial arts) style," the police report of the witness said. "He then heard a pop. He stated that after hearing the pop, he observed the person he had previously observed on top of the other person (the male wearing the hoodie) laid out on the grass."
A second witness described a person on the ground with another straddling him and throwing punches. The man on the bottom was yelling for help, the witness told police.
The documents state that Zimmerman can be heard yelling for help 14 times on a 911 call recorded during the fight.
The lead investigator on the case, Officer Christopher Serino, wrote that Zimmerman could be heard "yelling for help as he was being battered by Trayvon Martin."
Martin's death sparked public outrage after police released Zimmerman without any criminal charges for the killing. Zimmerman was later charged with second-degree murder, and the killing provoked widespread debate about racial profiling.
The autopsy also shows that Zimmerman shot Martin from a distance of between 1 inch and 18 inches away, bolstering Zimmerman's claim that he shot Martin during a close struggle.
Martin's autopsy report also revealed that there was a quarter-inch by half-inch abrasion on the left fourth finger of Martin, another indication of a possible struggle. The teen, who lived in Miami, was in Sanford while serving a suspension for a bag of marijuana being discovered in his possession.
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Zimmerman yelled for help 14 times and was getting beat down "MMA style." How the heck did they charge him with murder??
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Zimmerman yelled for help 14 times and was getting beat down "MMA style." How the heck did they charge him with murder??
you're joking ....right
I've seen kids who have fallen off their trycycle with worse injuries
these injuries are the proof of life that his life was in danger ?
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Zimmerman yelled for help 14 times and was getting beat down "MMA style." How the heck did they charge him with murder??
Because group-think took over amongst Black people and guilt ridden liberals.
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you're joking ....right
I've seen kids who have fallen off their trycycle with worse injuries
these injuries are the proof of life that his life was in danger ?
Stupid argument because you could fall off your bike, not have any visible injuries, yet die a few hours later.
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Stupid argument because you could fall off your bike, not have any visible injuries, yet die a few hours later.
another reason you'd think the EMT would have taken him to the hospital or at least given him an ice pack for his head
and of course his injuries clearly weren't life threatening because he is perfectly fine
we as a society via our judicial system have the right and obligation to determine whether the use of deadly force was justified
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another reason you'd think the EMT would have taken him to the hospital or at least given him an ice pack for his head
and of course his injuries clearly weren't life threatening because he is perfectly fine
we as a society via our judicial system have the right and obligation to determine whether the use of deadly force was justified
The EMT can`t force anyone to go to the hospital. Furthermore, injuries do not HAVE to be life threatening in order for you to defend yourself with deadly force. So what you are in fact advocating is that Zimmerman should have been beat worse, a short distance from death and THEN he would be justified in using his gun?
Or are you saying that Trayvon should have had a free for all worthy of WorldStarHipHop.com ?
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another reason you'd think the EMT would have taken him to the hospital or at least given him an ice pack for his head
and of course his injuries clearly weren't life threatening because he is perfectly fine
we as a society via our judicial system have the right and obligation to determine whether the use of deadly force was justified
EMT doesnt have to take anyone that doesnt want to go.
Youve been told this over a dozen times broseph.
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The EMT can`t force anyone to go to the hospital. Furthermore, injuries do not HAVE to be life threatening in order for you to defend yourself with deadly force. So what you are in fact advocating is that Zimmerman should have been beat worse, a short distance from death and THEN he would be justified in using his gun?
Or are you saying that Trayvon should have had a free for all worthy of WorldStarHipHop.com ?
Sure, but that's for a person to decide in the heat of the moment and for the judicial system to decide after the fact..... as has happened countless times in the past
Maybe "stand your ground" will give him an out
As I've said more than once, time will tell
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EMT doesnt have to take anyone that doesnt want to go.
Youve been told this over a dozen times broseph.
I know and I also said you'd think they would have at least given him a band aid or an ice pack
did he refuse ALL TREATMENT of any kind
Do you have any knowledge of what the EMT's said, suggested, etc...
If so please share
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I know and I also said you'd think they would have at least given him a band aid or an ice pack
did he refuse ALL TREATMENT of any kind
Do you have any knowledge of what the EMT's said, suggested, etc...
If so please share
"A paramedic report says Zimmerman had a 1-inch laceration on his head and forehead abrasion.
"Bleeding tenderness to his nose, and a small laceration to the back of his head. All injuries have minor bleeding," paramedic Michael Brandy wrote about Zimmerman's injuries in the report."
http://news.yahoo.com/autopsy-evidence-marijuana-martins-blood-215533578.html
with THC in trayvons system as well
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"A paramedic report says Zimmerman had a 1-inch laceration on his head and forehead abrasion.
"Bleeding tenderness to his nose, and a small laceration to the back of his head. All injuries have minor bleeding," paramedic Michael Brandy wrote about Zimmerman's injuries in the report."
http://news.yahoo.com/autopsy-evidence-marijuana-martins-blood-215533578.html
with THC in trayvons system as well
Where did you hear that? The autopsy?
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Where did you hear that? The autopsy?
yea the autopsy
"The autopsy says medical examiners found THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, when they tested Martin's blood and urine. "
from that same link
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"A paramedic report says Zimmerman had a 1-inch laceration on his head and forehead abrasion.
"Bleeding tenderness to his nose, and a small laceration to the back of his head. All injuries have minor bleeding," paramedic Michael Brandy wrote about Zimmerman's injuries in the report."
http://news.yahoo.com/autopsy-evidence-marijuana-martins-blood-215533578.html
with THC in trayvons system as well
I wonder what drugs Zimmerman had in his system (did the police take a blood sample?)
Usually guys smoking weed and mellow and not confrontational
here's the text of the entire article:
..ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Medical examiners found evidence of marijuana in Trayvon Martin's system after he was fatally shot by a neighborhood watch volunteer, according to an autopsy released Thursday in a massive package of evidence.
Also included the release was an investigator's recommendation to prosecutors that suspect George Zimmerman be arrested on manslaughter charges. The investigator, who was on the scene after the shooting, wrote on March 13 that the confrontation should have been avoided. That report came nearly a month before Zimmerman was arrested.
The documents, photos and video were turned over by prosecutors to defense attorneys earlier this week before it was released to the media.
The autopsy says medical examiners found THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, when they tested Martin's blood and urine. A police report shows Martin had been shot once in the chest and had been pronounced dead at the scene.
Also in the package is a photo showing Zimmerman with a bloody nose on the night of the fight. A paramedic report says Zimmerman had a 1-inch laceration on his head and forehead abrasion.
"Bleeding tenderness to his nose, and a small laceration to the back of his head. All injuries have minor bleeding," paramedic Michael Brandy wrote about Zimmerman's injuries in the report.
Whether Zimmerman was injured in the Feb. 26 altercation with Martin has been a key question. Zimmerman has claimed self-defense and said he only fired because the unarmed teenager attacked him.
Zimmerman was not arrested for weeks after the Feb. 26 confrontation because he invoked the Florida law that does not require a person to retreat in the face of a serious threat. He was released on bail and is in hiding while he awaits trial on a second-degree murder charge. He has pleaded not guilty.
Investigator Christopher Serino, who recommended that Zimmerman be charged, told prosecutors in March that the fight could have been avoided if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement. He said Zimmerman, after leaving his vehicle, could have identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and talked to him instead of confronting him.
He said there is no evidence Martin was involved in any criminal activity.
A separate report written by Serino at the crime scene says Martin had $40.15, Skittles candy, a red lighter, headphones and a photo pin in his pocket. A single 9mm shell casing was found near Martin's body.
New witness accounts also emerged Thursday. A witness, whose name is redacted, told investigators he saw "a black male, wearing a dark colored hoodie," on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help.
The witness, who was looking out the sliding glass door at his home about 30 feet away, said he saw the black male throwing punches "MMA (mixed martial arts) style."
He said he told the fighters he was calling the police. He said that as he was making the call, he heard a shot. He looked outside and saw the person who had been on top laid out on the grass as if he had been shot. He said the other fighter was standing on the sidewalk, talking to another person with a flashlight.
The case has become a national racial flashpoint because the Martin family and supporters contend Zimmerman singled Martin out because he was black.
Two acquaintances paint an unflattering picture of Zimmerman in police interviews included in the newly released documents.
A distraught woman tells an investigator that she stays away from Zimmerman because he's racist and because of things he's done to her in the past, but she didn't elaborate on what happened between them.
"I don't at all know who this kid was or anything else. But I know George, and I know that he does not like black people. He would start something. He's very confrontational. It's in his blood. We'll just say that," the unidentified woman says in an audio recording.
A man whose name was deleted from the audio told investigators said he once worked with Zimmerman in 2008 for a few months. The name of the company was also deleted from the audio file.
The man, who described his heritage as "Middle Eastern," said that when he first started many employees didn't like him. Zimmerman seized on this, the employee said, and bullied him.
Zimmerman wanted to "get in" with the clique at work so he exaggerated a Middle Eastern accent when talking about the employee. The employee told investigators that Zimmerman made reference to terrorists and bombings when talking about him.
"It was so immature," said the employee, who ended up writing a letter to management about Zimmerman.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/trayvon-martin-case-marijuana-found-in-blood_n_1525840.html?&icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D161984
New witness accounts also emerged Thursday. A witness, whose name is redacted, told investigators he saw "a black male, wearing a dark colored hoodie," on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help.
The witness, who was looking out the sliding glass door at his home about 30 feet away, said he saw the black male throwing punches "MMA (mixed martial arts) style."
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maybe zimmerman started the fight and intentionally let trayvon beat him up so he could shoot him and claim self defense?
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I know and I also said you'd think they would have at least given him a band aid or an ice pack
did he refuse ALL TREATMENT of any kind
Do you have any knowledge of what the EMT's said, suggested, etc...
If so please share
You do not.
I know this, as I was in a serious accident that totalled my fathers truck, and I refused treatment/examination. They simply let me go home, didnt touch me.
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maybe zimmerman started the fight and intentionally let trayvon beat him up so he could shoot him and claim self defense?
It is nuts watching these liberals squirm and pretzel themselves into such illogical bullshit at this point.
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I wonder what drugs Zimmerman had in his system (did the police take a blood sample?)
Usually guys smoking weed and mellow and not confrontational
here's the text of the entire article:..
I know plenty of people that get very violent when fucked up on small doses of weed, especially if theyre cronic users.
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maybe zimmerman started the fight and intentionally let trayvon beat him up so he could shoot him and claim self defense?
or maybe Zimmerman started the fight and unintentionally got his ass kicked
or maybe Zimmerman confronted Martin and threatened him with gun and Martin, in fear of his life, started to fight back thinking his life was in danger by a crazy dude with a gun who had been following him
or maybe Zimmerman tried to detain Martin and when Martin tried to leave Zimmerman grabbed him and Martin defended himself
etc...
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I know plenty of people that get very violent when fucked up on small doses of weed, especially if theyre cronic users.
really ?
plenty of people?
I've never seen one person in my life get more violent when smoking weed, most especially chronic users
Most are usually too busy laughing or trying to remember what they were just talking about
Seriously, do your plenty of friends also drink or do something else when they smoke?
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LOL yes I know that if i was fighting a guy who had a gun in his hand I would be on top "throwing punches MMA style" instead of wrestling for the gun....
if zimmerman had the gun out trayvon wouldnt have been "throwing punches MMA style".
Do you think zimmerman pulled the gun then got into an altercation and put it back in its place?
LMFAO
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LOL yes I know that if i was fighting a guy who had a gun in his hand I would be on top "throwing punches MMA style" instead of wrestling for the gun....
if zimmerman had the gun out trayvon wouldnt have been "throwing punches MMA style".
Do you think zimmerman pulled the gun then got into an altercation and put it back in its place?
LMFAO
how do you know the gun was in his hand and what exactly are MMA style punches anyway
I don't know anything about how the fight started, when the gun came out, etc...
do you?
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how do you know the gun was in his hand and what exactly are MMA style punches anyway
I don't know anything about how the fight started, when the gun came out, etc...
do you?
one can logically assume that if the gun was out trayvon would have been wrestling with it. AS TO NOT GET SHOT BY IT!!!
if I guy has a gun in his hand and your fighting are you going to through punches or try and get the gun away???
if zimmerman had the gun in his hand while trayvon was "throwing MMA style punches" meaning he was on top throwing haymakers he is dumber than your average gold tooth wearing, pot smoking drug dealer...
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really ?
plenty of people?
I've never seen one person in my life get more violent when smoking weed, most especially chronic users
Most are usually too busy laughing or trying to remember what they were just talking about
Seriously, do your plenty of friends also drink or do something else when they smoke?
I know 3 people, who are smokers only, that get very moody and pissy when they smoke. They dont see it though.
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Charging second degree murder might get this da the nifong treatment.
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one can logically assume that if the gun was out trayvon would have been wrestling with it. AS TO NOT GET SHOT BY IT!!!
if I guy has a gun in his hand and your fighting are you going to through punches or try and get the gun away???
if zimmerman had the gun in his hand while trayvon was "throwing MMA style punches" meaning he was on top throwing haymakers he is dumber than your average gold tooth wearing, pot smoking drug dealer...
all speculation and I dont have anything but speculation either
for example, do you know where Zimmerman was carrying the gun, what kind of holster, when it came out, etc.. For all we know Martin was carrying the gun in away that it could be seen and or he let it be seen in an attempt to intimidate Martin. Who knows what happened. I certainly never claimed to know
I do agree with the investigator on the scene in the story you posted although I don't know if I agree with manslaughter. I think negligent homocide might be more appropriate.
This guy seems to have some knowledge othat Zimmerman confronted Martin though who know if that is accurate or not. Maybe that's the story Zimmerman told the investigator and then changed it later
Investigator Christopher Serino, who recommended that Zimmerman be charged, told prosecutors in March that the fight could have been avoided if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement. He said Zimmerman, after leaving his vehicle, could have identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and talked to him instead of confronting him
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all speculation and I dont have anything but speculation either
for example, do you know where Zimmerman was carrying the gun, what kind of holster, when it came out, etc.. For all we know Martin was carrying the gun in away that it could be seen and or he let it be seen in an attempt to intimidate Martin. Who knows what happened. I certainly never claimed to know
I do agree with the investigator on the scene in the story you posted although I don't know if I agree with manslaughter. I think negligent homocide might be more appropriate.
This guy seems to have some knowledge othat Zimmerman confronted Martin though who know if that is accurate or not. Maybe that's the story Zimmerman told the investigator and then changed it later
its common sense straw, if youre fighting a guy with a gun in his hand are you throwing punches or trying to get the gun?
the logical thing to do is to deal with the most urgent part of the situation, I.E. THE GUN!!!!
I know you dont know much about physical altercations but this is COMMON SENSE!!!
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George Zimmerman`s HANDS are completely UNMARKED.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/17/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120517113546-zimmerman-hands-horizontal-gallery.jpg)
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Here is the gun and holster.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120518121835-zimmerman-gun-horizontal-gallery.jpg)
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Lynch mob on suicide watch.
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Cops, Witnesses Back Up George Zimmerman's Version of Trayvon Martin Shooting
ABCNews.com ^ | May 17, 2012 | By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC) , SENI TIENABESO and COLLEEN CURRY
Posted on May 17, 2012 6:51:44 PM EDT by CA Conservative
Two police reports written the night that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin said that Zimmerman had a bloody face and nose, according to police reports made public today.
The reports also note that two witness accounts appear to back up Zimmerman's version of what happened when they describe a man on his back with another person wearing a hoodie straddling him and throwing punches.
In addition, Trayvon Martin's father told an investigator after listening to 911 tapes that captured a man's voice frantically callling for help that it was not his son calling for help.
The new information is part of a trove of documents released by the Florida State Attorney today in the case against Zimmerman, who is charged with second degree murder for the Feb. 26 killing of Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old African American male.
(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...
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Case Closed....
Police are going to testify for the prosecution that if Zimmerman had not racially profiled Trayvon and stayed in his vehicle as asked, the incident would have been avoidable.
Doesn't matter if Zimmerman was getting his ass whipped.....as I stated before, he's going to be convicted....best for him to plead out this and not try to argue self defense because once he is, the judge is going to throw the book at him
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it's entirely possible these injuries were sustained AFTER the fight, as they weren't found until the NEXT DAY.
You know, he had a busted nose and a bump on his head that night. The next day, he was in far worse shape. A lot of peolpe are saying it's entirely possible he went home and was punched in the face in order to have the worst possible injuries the next morning. Entirely possible. People have done this - and with the dad going with him the next day to 'help' with the re-enactment, it's entirely possible he said "son, you're getting checked out in the AM at hospital, you need to have more injuries to justify that shooting.
Oh i know, "he wouldn't do that".
Minor injuries on the police station video 34 minutes after Zimmerman shot Martin
But he shows up a day later with a broken nose and two black eyes?
Self inflicted injuries to cover up his murder of Martin?
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An interesting point...
The problem is, Trayvon had the right to "stand his ground" when confronted by a gun totin' man
So Zimmerman's problem is, and should be, how can he claim stand your ground when he was the one who approached an unarmed man with a gun. Martin defended himself and Zimmerman killed him. That's where they can find Zimmerman guilty.
Zimmerman's injuries shouldn't matter if he approached Trayvon Martin with a gun.
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An interesting point...
The problem is, Trayvon had the right to "stand his ground" when confronted by a gun totin' man
So Zimmerman's problem is, and should be, how can he claim stand your ground when he was the one who approached an unarmed man with a gun. Martin defended himself and Zimmerman killed him. That's where they can find Zimmerman guilty.
Zimmerman's injuries shouldn't matter if he approached Trayvon Martin with a gun.
We will never know what happenned because Trayvon isn't around to tell his side of the story...and we all know it would be quite different than the crap Zimmerman was saying because its not even believable to one point.
He's not going to get off...even if the state doesn't convict, the Justice Dept is going to file federal charges....he needs to plead this out and just do a little time. If he rolls the dice, he's sure to get life in prison
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We will never know what happenned because Trayvon isn't around to tell his side of the story...and we all know it would be quite different than the crap Zimmerman was saying because its not even believable to one point.
He's not going to get off...even if the state doesn't convict, the Justice Dept is going to file federal charges....he needs to plead this out and just do a little time. If he rolls the dice, he's sure to get life in prison
Federal charges for what?
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Federal charges for what?
Shooting an unarmed man/boy?
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Shooting an unarmed man/boy?
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(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/zimmerman-head-shot.jpg)
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So shooting unarmed people is cool with you?
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So shooting unarmed people is cool with you?
As long as he is black, walkin down the street with skittles and juice.. Its cool with 3333... he is a savage beast
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As long as he is black, walkin down the street with skittles and juice.. Its cool with 3333... he is a savage beast
Funny how you incompetent dopes keep ignoring the fact that getting your head bashed into the concrete constitutes reasonable fear for ones life being danger.
Just face it - you got emotionally caught up in this based on false narrative the media and the illiterate obama created for you.
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As long as he is black, walkin down the street with skittles and juice.. Its cool with 3333... he is a savage beast
QFT
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Funny how you incompetent dopes keep ignoring the fact that getting your head bashed into the concrete constitutes reasonable fear for ones life being danger.
Just face it - you got emotionally caught up in this based on false narrative the media and the illiterate obama created for you.
Only pussies use guns. Why not defend with your fists?
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As long as he is black, walkin down the street with skittles and juice.. Its cool with 3333... he is a savage beast
Its called fear
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Only pussies use guns. Why not defend with your fists?
Because many criminals carry guns, knives and other weapons. This isn't the UFC dumbass. I'm not looking to score any merit points or get "street cred" when I'm protecting my life or the lives of my family members.
Why not just make the comment that most countries with standing armies are pussies? They should give up their tanks and settle all disputes with fista cuffs? Better yet, Israel should abandon their military budget and settle the score with the PLO by throwing rocks and bottles at them so its even. ::)
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Because many criminals carry guns, knives and other weapons. This isn't the UFC dumbass. I'm not looking to score any merit points or get "street cred" when I'm protecting my life or the lives of my family members.
Why not just make the comment that most countries with standing armies are pussies? They should give up their tanks and settle all disputes with fista cuffs? Better yet, Israel should abandon their military budget and settle the score with the PLO by throwing rocks and bottles at them so its even. ::)
So the black kid was a criminal huh?
He was attacked without a gun so why use a gun to defend?
And i dont think a neighborhood in Florida is the same as Palestine ::)
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So the black kid was a criminal huh?
He was attacked without a gun so why use a gun to defend?
And i dont think a neighborhood in Florida is the same as Palestine ::)
Zimmerman didn't run home to grab his gun when he saw Martin. He already had his gun on him-- so wtf ru talking about? If someone is beating you and slamming your head on the concrete, has broken your nose and is continuing to punch you-- why the fuck wouldn't you use a gun to defend yourself? Zimmerman was on his back-- nowhere to run, nowhere to go.
And my point about Israel has nothing to do with the Zimmerman case, it was made to highlight that your idea of "being a pussy" is moronic.
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So the black kid was a criminal huh?
He was attacked without a gun so why use a gun to defend?
And i dont think a neighborhood in Florida is the same as Palestine ::)
LOL
If he initiated the fight he was not attacked.
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LOL
If he initiated the fight he was not attacked.
Well if a person with a gun is following you in your own neighborhood should you not feel threatened?
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Zimmerman didn't run home to grab his gun when he saw Martin. He already had his gun on him-- so wtf ru talking about? If someone is beating you and slamming your head on the concrete, has broken your nose and is continuing to punch you-- why the fuck wouldn't you use a gun to defend yourself? Zimmerman was on his back-- nowhere to run, nowhere to go.
And my point about Israel has nothing to do with the Zimmerman case, it was made to highlight that your idea of "being a pussy" is moronic.
And if somebody with a gun is following you in your own neighborhood according to Florida stand your grown bla bla should the black kid not be allowed to use deadly force as well?
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Well if a person with a gun is following you in your own neighborhood should you not feel threatened?
Tray did not know zimm had a gun, otherwise he would have avoided a physical confrontation at all costs jerkoff.
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Well if a person with a gun is following you in your own neighborhood should you not feel threatened?
You mean Zimmermans neighborhood?
Are you really trying to say that Zimmerman was in Trayvons neighborhood doing neighborhood watch? ::)
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when you carry a gun, you are always conscious of it.
if you drop it - you're going to jail.
if you flash it accidentally while getting your wallet - you're going to jail.
it took until just rencetly that PRINTING from the wind was no longer a 1 year sentence.
When you carry it, you're liable for SO many things. If you trip and drop and it fires and hits someone, you're sued. If you break the law with it, it can be add'l charges for XYZ while carrying a weapon.
Zimmerman was most definitely running after a kid in the dark with the confidence of having that gun. and you NEVER run into a situation you think will be a gunfight. You run FROM it. If there's a man breaking into your house, you take cover and call 911 and stay outside.
if he truly believed "he's on drugs or something", if he truly believed the kid had something in his hand from a waistband, then he woudln't have run after such a major threat into the darkness. Well, he shouldn't have.
ZImm shooting trayvon was probably legal. But he should go to jail anyway for being a moron and not staying in his truck and letting police do their job. if trayvon reaches into his truck to attack, it's a 100% clean shoot. It's anything but that now, with "he's getting away" right before "he attacked me".
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Witness Says George Zimmerman Repeatedly Bullied Him At Work, Targeted Him With Racist Jokes
Source: Think Progress
Among the evidence in the Trayvon Martin case released by the Florida state prosecutor yesterday was a 15-minute interview with a former work collegue of George Zimmerman. The man, who is not identified by name, says that Zimmerman relentlessly bullied him at work.
Zimmerman, according to the witness, targeted him because he was Middle Eastern. He repeatedly called the man a “fucking moron” and mocked him using the voice of “Achmed the terrorist.” Zimmerman’s stories about the man would involve “bombing,” “I’ll kill your family” and other “jokes” about “Middle Eastern stuff.” According to the man, this went on “for days and days.”
Listen:
http://soundcloud.com/thinkprogress/george-zimmerman-witness-22
After a few months, Zimmerman was terminated. According to the witness, “he was fired for calling HR hotline so many times…he would complain about each and every manager and employee.”
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So shooting unarmed people is cool with you?
It appears that Zimmerman was attacked, and defended himself. Merely following Martin around wasn't a crime. Assaulting someone is though.
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Because many criminals carry guns, knives and other weapons. This isn't the UFC dumbass. I'm not looking to score any merit points or get "street cred" when I'm protecting my life or the lives of my family members.
Why not just make the comment that most countries with standing armies are pussies? They should give up their tanks and settle all disputes with fista cuffs? Better yet, Israel should abandon their military budget and settle the score with the PLO by throwing rocks and bottles at them so its even. ::)
QFT
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It appears that Zimmerman was attacked, and defended himself. Merely following Martin around wasn't a crime. Assaulting someone is though.
Are you sure he didnt start the altercation?
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It appears that Zimmerman was attacked, and defended himself.
from what evidence?
We have evidence he was losing a fight. But we don't know who started it.
Zimm had a domestic abuse charge.
Zimm had a felony assault on law enforcement
Zimm had state-mandated alcohol counseling.
Trayvon had THC in his system, which meant his stoned ass surely didn't wanna fight lol.
Trayvon ran away. ZImm pursued.
Zimm called him a punk and an asshole and said he was a burglar.
NOBODY saw who started it - only that Zimm was losing a fight ONCE THEY WERE ALREADY fighting.
But there's a lot of evidence who chased the other 2 blocks while calling curse words, the same dude with a history of violence.
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its common sense straw, if youre fighting a guy with a gun in his hand are you throwing punches or trying to get the gun?
the logical thing to do is to deal with the most urgent part of the situation, I.E. THE GUN!!!!
I know you dont know much about physical altercations but this is COMMON SENSE!!!
I already told you that I had my fair share of fights as a teenager and in my early twenties and I've had worse injuries that Zimmerman (stitches, broken fingers, etc.). I also had a gun pointed at me in an armed robbery when I was 18 and I'll gladly pass on that experience in the future
I don't know where Zimmerman carried his gun, whether Martin saw it, what Martin was thinking \r how the fight started and I don't think any of that really matters
Zimmerman created the situation and it was completely avoidable had he listened to the police and not followed and confronted Martin.
Again we don't know how the confrontation took got started or escalated but Zimmerman caused it to happen by his choices and actions
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So now we know that Martin was beating the crap out of Zimmerman, has the injuries to prove it, was calling for help at least 14 times, and Martin was using drugs.
We also know Martin was suspended from school three times, including once for having drug residue in his backpack. Zimmerman was actually correct to be suspicious about this kid walking through is neighborhood. He actually was a thug.
Martin didn't commit a crime by walking through the neighborhood, but Zimmerman didn't commit a crime by "profiling" and following him either. Comes down to who started the confrontation. Unless Zimmerman swung and missed to start it, it sounds like Martin was the aggressor.
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So now we know that Martin was beating the crap out of Zimmerman, has the injuries to prove it, was calling for help at least 14 times, and Martin was using drugs.
We also know Martin was suspended from school three times, including once for having drug residue in his backpack. Zimmerman was actually correct to be suspicious about this kid walking through is neighborhood. He actually was a thug.
Martin didn't commit a crime by walking through the neighborhood, but Zimmerman didn't commit a crime by "profiling" and following him either. Comes down to who started the confrontation. Unless Zimmerman swung and missed to start it, it sounds like Martin was the aggressor.
"He's running away". = 8 year prison plea.
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He got the crap beat out of him by a drug-using thug = acquittal.
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He got the crap beat out of him by a drug-using thug = acquittal.
that thug was visiting family and was one block away.
zimm lived on the other side of the park. trayvon committed no crime.
the only reason i really hate zimm is that he didn't, then did, cite the 'stand your ground' law. That dicksucker is eroding american gun laws (thanks bloomberg) because his ass wanted to play hero. I hope the assrape he endures is lubeless.
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So now we know that Martin was beating the crap out of Zimmerman, has the injuries to prove it, was calling for help at least 14 times, and Martin was using drugs.
We also know Martin was suspended from school three times, including once for having drug residue in his backpack. Zimmerman was actually correct to be suspicious about this kid walking through is neighborhood. He actually was a thug.
Martin didn't commit a crime by walking through the neighborhood, but Zimmerman didn't commit a crime by "profiling" and following him either. Comes down to who started the confrontation. Unless Zimmerman swung and missed to start it, it sounds like Martin was the aggressor.
you must have a pretty low threshold for "thug" because Martin never had any record of violence and Zimmerman was not "correct" in profiling him and also not correct in following him (he was told not to) and not correct by confronting him and not correct by killing him
I suspect that without the gun Zimmerman never woud have left his truck and I also suspect he truly wishes he had listened to the police and not gone all vigilante on his own
No matter what happens with the court case (if it even gets to court) he's fucked up his life and ended the life of another person for no reason at all except for his own stupidity and ego
If he gets off he's going to have to essentially stay in hiding for a long time and I'm sure he knows that too
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that thug was visiting family and was one block away.
zimm lived on the other side of the park. trayvon committed no crime.
the only reason i really hate zimm is that he didn't, then did, cite the 'stand your ground' law. That dicksucker is eroding american gun laws (thanks bloomberg) because his ass wanted to play hero. I hope the assrape he endures is lubeless.
I believe it was the Pro-Trayvon supporters who want to get rid of the gun laws and they were the first to mention it and still do.
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I believe it was the Pro-Trayvon supporters who want to get rid of the gun laws and they were the first to mention it and still do.
some of the anti-zimm people are anti-gun.
but some are pro-gun people - who also carry a gun - and realize his dumbass actions are going to punish EVERY legal shooting person on trial for the next decade.
Also, to address BB calling trayvon a thug... ZImmerman assaulted a cop, felony. ZImm has domestic abuse charges. Trayvon was a pothead. Which one of these has violent propensity? Trayvon never punched a cop, trayvon never punched a woman. Trayvon didn't call anyone a punk or an asshole.
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He got the crap beat out of him by a drug-using thug = acquittal.
Wow... really he was really thugging it when he went to get skittles and juice
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Wow... really he was really thugging it when he went to get skittles and juice
Aww, how c000000t. Ickle wickle Twayvon was getting skittles and juice before he beat the shit out of Zimmerman so it's OK. He was just a ickle wickle 6'3 baby. Coochie coochie Twayvon! ::)
Zimmerman will walk and the lynch mob (240 and co.) are going to be left eating crow again.
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Wow... really he was really thugging it when he went to get skittles and juice
He was thugging it when he decided to assault a man who was following him. You can`t just assault someone and expect no consequence.
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Aww, how c000000t. Ickle wickle Twayvon was getting skittles and juice before he beat the shit out of Zimmerman so it's OK. He was just a ickle wickle 6'3 baby. Coochie coochie Twayvon! ::)
Zimmerman will walk and the lynch mob (240 and co.) are going to be left eating crow again.
I still dont understand how they came into contact.. Zimmerman in truck.. Martin on foot.... how did their paths cross?
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Well if a person with a gun is following you in your own neighborhood should you not feel threatened?
Trayvon did not know Zimmerman had a gun at the time he decided to assault Zimmerman.
Now lets take YOUR scenario. If I KNEW someone was following me with a gun, I would call the police. I would NEVER EVER approach someone if I knew they had a gun and were following me. I`d call the police and get to safety as fast as possible. I would knock on the nearest door and explain someone is following me with a gun, that I just called the police and can I wait for them there. Or I`d find a well lit place, with a lot of people if possible and wait for the police.
That is all irrelevant though as Trayvon did none of those things and he did not know Zimmerman had a gun. Even if he did know that he had a gun, that makes him even more of a moron for assaulting him.
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Trayvon did not know Zimmerman had a gun at the time he decided to assault Zimmerman.
Now lets take YOUR scenario. If I KNEW someone was following me with a gun, I would call the police. I would NEVER EVER approach someone if I knew they had a gun and were following me. I`d call the police and get to safety as fast as possible. I would knock on the nearest door and explain someone is following me with a gun, that I just called the police and can I wait for them there. Or I`d find a well lit place, with a lot of people if possible and wait for the police.
That is all irrelevant though as Trayvon did none of those things and he did not know Zimmerman had a gun. Even if he did know that he had a gun, that makes him even more of a moron for assaulting him.
how do you know that Martin didn't know Zimmerman had a gun and how to you know Martin assaulted Zimmerman?
Martin could just as easily be defending himself from an assault initiated by Zimmerman
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Trayvon did not know Zimmerman had a gun at the time he decided to assault Zimmerman.
Now lets take YOUR scenario. If I KNEW someone was following me with a gun, I would call the police. I would NEVER EVER approach someone if I knew they had a gun and were following me. I`d call the police and get to safety as fast as possible. I would knock on the nearest door and explain someone is following me with a gun, that I just called the police and can I wait for them there. Or I`d find a well lit place, with a lot of people if possible and wait for the police.
That is all irrelevant though as Trayvon did none of those things and he did not know Zimmerman had a gun. Even if he did know that he had a gun, that makes him even more of a moron for assaulting him.
How did their paths cross... Zimmerman was driving... Martin was walking correct... Just wondering how they encountered each other
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that thug was visiting family and was one block away.
zimm lived on the other side of the park. trayvon committed no crime.
the only reason i really hate zimm is that he didn't, then did, cite the 'stand your ground' law. That dicksucker is eroding american gun laws (thanks bloomberg) because his ass wanted to play hero. I hope the assrape he endures is lubeless.
You hate Zimmerman? ::)
Neither one of them committed a crime before the beat down. Walking through the neighborhood was not a crime. Profiling Martin (which actually turned out to be accurate) was not a crime. Following Martin was not a crime. Not listening to the 911 dispatcher was not a crime. Asking Martin what he was doing in the neighborhood was not a crime.
No American gun laws are being eroded. That's friggin stupid. This is a pretty straight forward self defense case. And what we know so far supports Zimmerman's story.
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Wow... really he was really thugging it when he went to get skittles and juice
No. He's a thug because he was suspended from school three times, including once for having drug residue in his backpack, was a drug user with drugs in his system on the day he was killed, dressed like a thug, and was stupid enough to attack a stranger with a concealed weapon.
If you step back and look at this objectively, Zimmerman was right to believe Martin looked suspicious.
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how do you know that Martin didn't know Zimmerman had a gun and how to you know Martin assaulted Zimmerman?
Martin could just as easily be defending himself from an assault initiated by Zimmerman
Where is the evidence for any of that? All of the evidence points to Trayvon attacking Zimmerman. There is ZERO evidence that points to Zimmerman attacking Trayvon.
Furthermore, you do realize that evidence is something that is used in order to corroborate a story. There does not have to be real time video of a crime in order for it to be decided. Most crimes do not have real time video available. Evidence collected are simply used as puzzle pieces to determine what exactly happened. Trayvon has ZERO Puzzle pieces that point to him getting attacked. NOTHING. Zimmerman has a TON that point to him getting attacked first. From the sheer amount of evidence collected, its obvious what happened.
But you and the others, somehow think that criminal cases should only be decided if there is clear video of the actual crime happening in real time or else GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY. Is this your first time following the United States Legal system?
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No. He's a thug because he was suspended from school three times, including once for having drug residue in his backpack, was a drug user with drugs in his system on the day he was killed, dressed like a thug, and was stupid enough to attack a stranger with a concealed weapon.
If you step back and look at this objectively, Zimmerman was right to believe Martin looked suspicious.
The problem with most thugs is that they don't understand the wearing a hoodie, gold teeth, pants around ass, slackin style of walk, etc actually is suspicious to most people.
Thug life yo!!!!
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how do you know that Martin didn't know Zimmerman had a gun and how to you know Martin assaulted Zimmerman?
Martin could just as easily be defending himself from an assault initiated by Zimmerman
Also, since YOU "Do not know what happened at all" even after you have the evidence, this is even a better reason to let Zimmerman go. If you can`t determine what exactly happened and say for sure exactly what went down, then Zimmerman is certainly Innocent. You`d have to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, and if you can`t do that (since you have no idea what happened and can`t make a call), Zimmerman is innocent and walks.
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Also, since YOU "Do not know what happened at all" even after you have the evidence, this is even a better reason to let Zimmerman go. If you can`t determine what exactly happened and say for sure exactly what went down, then Zimmerman is certainly Innocent. You`d have to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, and if you can`t do that (since you have no idea what happened and can`t make a call), Zimmerman is innocent and walks.
It's not for me or you to determine what happened
An armed man shot an unarmed kid and I'm fine with the judicial process of charges, investigation and if it comes to a trial that's even better. If it comes to a plea deal that's fine too. If he is acquitted that's fine too. All those are better than just taking his word at the scene of a killing and letting him walk
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No. He's a thug because he was suspended from school three times, including once for having drug residue in his backpack, was a drug user with drugs in his system on the day he was killed, dressed like a thug, and was stupid enough to attack a stranger with a concealed weapon.
If you step back and look at this objectively, Zimmerman was right to believe Martin looked suspicious.
you've got a very pussified view of the wordl
feel free to explain exactly how you know Martin attacked Zimmerman
for all we know Zimmerman attacked and Martin was defending himself
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You mean Zimmermans neighborhood?
Are you really trying to say that Zimmerman was in Trayvons neighborhood doing neighborhood watch? ::)
Didnt Trayvon's father live in that neighborhood?
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How did their paths cross... Zimmerman was driving... Martin was walking correct... Just wondering how they encountered each other
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Because Zimmerman was monitoring the neighborhood. Did you forget that part?
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the republican prosecutor believes zimmerman committed murder. she's seen way more evidence than we have.
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No idea how they confronted each other. Doesn't really matter. One of them bum-rushed the other, and it sounds like it was Martin who attacked Zimmerman.
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Because Zimmerman was monitoring the neighborhood. Did you forget that part?
does monitoring consist of confronting as well... from my understanding, monitoring is observing. What authority did he have to confront the teen?
Please explain
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No idea how they confronted each other. Doesn't really matter. One of them bum-rushed the other, and it sounds like it was Martin who attacked Zimmerman.
it "sounds like" - from what?
Aside from the self-serving testimony of a man with a felony plea for assault on a LEO and a home domestic violence charge...
We have no clue who "bum rushed" the other. We only know which one of them got their ass whipped.
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does monitoring consist of confronting as well... from my understanding, monitoring is observing. What authority did he have to confront the teen?
Please explain
Concerned citizen. Have you ever heard of the Minuteman Project? Its all legal.
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it "sounds like" - from what?
Aside from the self-serving testimony of a man with a felony plea for assault on a LEO and a home domestic violence charge...
We have no clue who "bum rushed" the other. We only know which one of them got their ass whipped.
You've got some fucking stones asking that question when you've done nothing but make facts up for 2 months now without substantiating a single one. Now you're Mr. "Prove it". ::)
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it "sounds like" - from what?
Aside from the self-serving testimony of a man with a felony plea for assault on a LEO and a home domestic violence charge...
We have no clue who "bum rushed" the other. We only know which one of them got their ass whipped.
If you "have no clue" or "no evidence" of what happened, you have to rule in favor of Zimmerman. Innocent until proven guilty.
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If you "have no clue" or "no evidence" of what happened, you have to rule in favor of Zimmerman. Innocent until proven guilty.
Not in the lynch mob's eyes. He was guilty from day one according to 240. He had the facts of this case sorted out long ago and will probably argue that the photos and witnesses were all made up.
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No idea how they confronted each other. Doesn't really matter. One of them bum-rushed the other, and it sounds like it was Martin who attacked Zimmerman.
now this is a funny post
In the first sentence you admit you have no idea how they confronted each other
in the second sentence you say it doesn't matter
in the third sentence somehow you've forgotten what you worte in the first sentence and concluded that Martin attacked Zimmerman
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the republican prosecutor believes zimmerman committed murder. she's seen way more evidence than we have.
yes but has she consulted with the legal braintrust on GB.com
is she aware that Martin is a savage thug who deserves to be shot to death for wearing a hoodie
is she aware that Zimmerman should be thanked and given an apology and a pat on the head and no one should ever question his story
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Because Zimmerman was monitoring the neighborhood. Did you forget that part?
and he also violated all the guidelines of the neighborhood watch program
It's watch and report
not stalk, confront and shoot to death and unarmed kid committing no crime
The Sanford police posted its neighborhood watch program handbook on the internet here:
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/NWProgramHandbook.pdf
Relevant portions:
You will add your “eyes and ears” to those of the Police Department which
cannot be everywhere, all the time, by keeping a watchful eye and open ear to
what is happening in your neighborhood. You will extend their ability to provide security by reporting anything unusual or suspicious, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, so they can follow up on your leads. What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.
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10. Remember always that your responsibility is to report crime. Do not take any risks to prevent a crime or try to make an arrest. The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the police department.
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and he also violated all the guidelines of the neighborhood watch program
It's watch and report
not stalk, confront and shoot to death and unarmed kid committing no crime
The Sanford police posted its neighborhood watch program handbook on the internet here:
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/NWProgramHandbook.pdf
Relevant portions:
You will add your “eyes and ears” to those of the Police Department which
cannot be everywhere, all the time, by keeping a watchful eye and open ear to
what is happening in your neighborhood. You will extend their ability to provide security by reporting anything unusual or suspicious, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, so they can follow up on your leads. What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.
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10. Remember always that your responsibility is to report crime. Do not take any risks to prevent a crime or try to make an arrest. The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the police department.
1. He did not initiate any "physical activity".
2. He can prevent a crime if he wants and he DID NOT try to make an arrest.
3. Neighborhood watch guidelines are NOT LAWS.
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No. He's a thug because he was suspended from school three times, including once for having drug residue in his backpack, was a drug user with drugs in his system on the day he was killed, dressed like a thug, and was stupid enough to attack a stranger with a concealed weapon.
If you step back and look at this objectively, Zimmerman was right to believe Martin looked suspicious.
I've was suspended 6 times from high school and arrested 1 time.....doesn't mean anything. I have 2 college degrees and no criminal record because my arrest was unlawful and was thrown out of court.
Smoking weed also doesn't make you a thug neither......I've never ran into a violent pothead before and according to the coroner, the amount in his system was minimal to where he had not smoked away in at least a week.
Either way, his school record and pot smoking have nothing to do with the case and it would not even be allowed to be mentioned in court....Zimmerman shot an unarmed man who was doing nothing but walking down the street minding his own business. He has every right to defend himself against someone chasing him.
Zimmerman could have very easily avoided this incident...and that's why he'll be convicted...no jury is going to let him go free...the federal government won't neither.....he needs to just plead this shit out or he might end up with a life sentence
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What authority did he have to confront the teen?
You need authority to confront someone in the United States?
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1. He did not initiate any "physical activity".
how do you know. In fact just by following him one could say he was the instigating cause.
I also think it's likely that he took the route that he did knowing that he would essentially cut off Martin i.e confront him. This is speculation on my part solely because Zimmerman knew the complex.
Also the investigator on the scene the night of the shooting said (per this article http://news.yahoo.com/autopsy-evidence-marijuana-martins-blood-215533578.html) that Zimmerman confronted Martin
He said Zimmerman, after leaving his vehicle, could have identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and talked to him instead of confronting him
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2. He can prevent a crime if he wants and he DID NOT try to make an arrest.
sure he can. He is free to do whatever he wants but that directly contrary to the neighborhoos watch guidlelines
3. Neighborhood watch guidelines are NOT LAWS.
no shit
never said they were
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I've was suspended 6 times from high school and arrested 1 time.....doesn't mean anything. I have 2 college degrees and no criminal record because my arrest was unlawful and was thrown out of court.
Smoking weed also doesn't make you a thug neither......I've never ran into a violent pothead before and according to the coroner, the amount in his system was minimal to where he had not smoked away in at least a week.
Either way, his school record and pot smoking have nothing to do with the case and it would not even be allowed to be mentioned in court....Zimmerman shot an unarmed man who was doing nothing but walking down the street minding his own business. He has every right to defend himself against someone chasing him.
Zimmerman could have very easily avoided this incident...and that's why he'll be convicted...no jury is going to let him go free...the federal government won't neither.....he needs to just plead this shit out or he might end up with a life sentence
Congrats on turning your life around, but if you were suspended from school six time you were probably a little thug too.
Where did the autopsy say he hadn't smoked in a week?
Smoking weed could have impaired his judgment. It's absolutely relevant. Just like it would have been if Zimmerman was the pothead.
Zimmerman shot a thug who was beating the crap out if him. That's why, unless there is more evidence we haven't seen, he's likely going to be acquitted. Not sure the Feds can touch him either. He isn't law enforcement.
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Congrats on turning your life around, but if you were suspended from school six time you were probably a little thug too.
Where did the autopsy say he hadn't smoked in a week?
Smoking weed could have impaired his judgment. It's absolutely relevant. Just like it would have been if Zimmerman was the pothead.
Zimmerman shot a thug who was beating the crap out if him. That's why, unless there is more evidence we haven't seen, he's likely going to be acquitted. Not sure the Feds can touch him either. He isn't law enforcement.
pot can be in your system for up to a month after smoking, sometime even longer
Come on Bum - you know this
You smoked plenty of weed in your day and God and Jebus only know what else you've done
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pot can be in your system for up to a month after smoking, sometime even longer
Come on Bum - you know this
You smoked plenty of weed in your day and God and Jebus only know what else you've done
you should go back and do some research...
how long is THC in your blood and urine?
specifically blood?
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Congrats on turning your life around, but if you were suspended from school six time you were probably a little thug too.
Where did the autopsy say he hadn't smoked in a week?
Smoking weed could have impaired his judgment. It's absolutely relevant. Just like it would have been if Zimmerman was the pothead.
Zimmerman shot a thug who was beating the crap out if him. That's why, unless there is more evidence we haven't seen, he's likely going to be acquitted. Not sure the Feds can touch him either. He isn't law enforcement.
The jury will never hear of it because no judge will allow that to be entered into evidence. And the Fed's are coming after him...not only for murder but for civil rights violations. Its pretty sad how some of the news media wants to spit on the guy's grave but Zimmerman will do some hard time. He's not getting a free ride except to prison
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i think the prosecutor will argue trayvon swung in self defense after he ran two blocks to get away from the armed man - and the armed man cut off his path.
Dark night, some fat angry man with a gun muttering profanity chases you a few blocks then cuts off you path, you fear for your life.
Maybe trayvon was standing his own ground, trying to disarm the man with a gun and no authority to chase him. ZImm wasn't neighborhood watch - he was just a dude with a gun coming home from target. Getbiggers argue he didn't have to follow that inconvenient "don't carry a gun on neigh watch" rule. Zimm was the head of the watch, he should have known that rule ;)
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i think the prosecutor will argue trayvon swung in self defense after he ran two blocks to get away from the armed man - and the armed man cut off his path.
Dark night, some fat angry man with a gun muttering profanity chases you a few blocks then cuts off you path, you fear for your life.
Maybe trayvon was standing his own ground, trying to disarm the man with a gun and no authority to chase him. ZImm wasn't neighborhood watch - he was just a dude with a gun coming home from target. Getbiggers argue he didn't have to follow that inconvenient "don't carry a gun on neigh watch" rule. Zimm was the head of the watch, he should have known that rule ;)
hmmm trayvons girlfriends testimony is going to nullify that...
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i think the prosecutor will argue trayvon swung in self defense after he ran two blocks to get away from the armed man - and the armed man cut off his path.
Dark night, some fat angry man with a gun muttering profanity chases you a few blocks then cuts off you path, you fear for your life.
Maybe trayvon was standing his own ground, trying to disarm the man with a gun and no authority to chase him. ZImm wasn't neighborhood watch - he was just a dude with a gun coming home from target. Getbiggers argue he didn't have to follow that inconvenient "don't carry a gun on neigh watch" rule. Zimm was the head of the watch, he should have known that rule ;)
Herrrp Derrrp.
240 or bust everyone.
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hmmm trayvons girlfriends testimony is going to nullify that...
getbiggers said she isn't credible - Is she, tony?
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The jury will never hear of it because no judge will allow that to be entered into evidence. And the Fed's are coming after him...not only for murder but for civil rights violations. Its pretty sad how some of the news media wants to spit on the guy's grave but Zimmerman will do some hard time. He's not getting a free ride except to prison
How do you know no judge will allow a jury to hear that Martin was a pothead and/or had drugs in his system when he was beating the crap out of Zimmerman?
The feds can't charge him with murder, because Zimmerman is not federal law enforcement officer and the alleged crime didn't take place on federal government property.
I doubt they can charge him with civil rights violations because he's a private citizen.
What's sad is the lynch mob mentality by the media and many in the public who had this guy all but executed before the facts came in. What the facts show, so far, is self defense.
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What the facts show, so far, is self defense.
The group of facts you're referring to - those are the ones in the public realm.
There's a lot more facts which are still unkonwn to the public - the republican prosecutor had access to these, and we do not.
She concluded it was murder. We have 40% of the puzzle pieces. She has 100% of them.
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The group of facts you're referring to - those are the ones in the public realm.
There's a lot more facts which are still unkonwn to the public - the republican prosecutor had access to these, and we do not.
She concluded it was murder. We have 40% of the puzzle pieces. She has 100% of them.
What the heck does the prosecutor being a Republican have to do with the price of tea in China? ::)
And how the heck do you know she only released 40 percent of the evidence?
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Alan Dershowitz' take:
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getbiggers said she isn't credible - Is she, tony?
I never said she wasnt, do you believe that the prosecution believes she is credible?
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The group of facts you're referring to - those are the ones in the public realm.
There's a lot more facts which are still unkonwn to the public - the republican prosecutor had access to these, and we do not.
She concluded it was murder. We have 40% of the puzzle pieces. She has 100% of them.
Lulz @ you.
Yes, no such thing as a hotshot prosecutor trying to make a name for yourself.
Herrrrpppp derp derp.
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I never said she wasnt, do you believe that the prosecution believes she is credible?
Okay, in that case, it really looks like Trayvon's GF's testimony may be why he's charged with murder:
The two reconnected via cellphone for the last time at 7:12 p.m. for four minutes. Police say they arrived at the scene at 7:17 to find Martin dead, Crump said.
The girl told Crump that Martin told her he was being followed and that she had encouraged him to run.
"She knew details about what went on because he was telling her," Crump said.
He said the girl heard the initial confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman.
"Trayvon said, 'Why you following me, man?'" and Zimmerman said, 'What are you doing here?'" Crump said.
He said the girl could tell by Martin's voice that he was then pushed. She thinks Martin's cellphone headset came off and then the call was disconnected, Crump said.
He said that when she called back, the girl did not get an answer and knew nothing else until she heard of her friend's killing on the news.
So this doesn't help ZImm in the least. If Zimm will assault a cop, if zimm will assault his wife, it's safe to say he is capable of assaulting a kid he believes to be a burglar who stole his bike ;)
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Okay, in that case, it really looks like Trayvon's GF's testimony may be why he's charged with murder:
The two reconnected via cellphone for the last time at 7:12 p.m. for four minutes. Police say they arrived at the scene at 7:17 to find Martin dead, Crump said.
The girl told Crump that Martin told her he was being followed and that she had encouraged him to run.
"She knew details about what went on because he was telling her," Crump said.
He said the girl heard the initial confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman.
"Trayvon said, 'Why you following me, man?'" and Zimmerman said, 'What are you doing here?'" Crump said.
He said the girl could tell by Martin's voice that he was then pushed. She thinks Martin's cellphone headset came off and then the call was disconnected, Crump said.
He said that when she called back, the girl did not get an answer and knew nothing else until she heard of her friend's killing on the news.
So this doesn't help ZImm in the least. If Zimm will assault a cop, if zimm will assault his wife, it's safe to say he is capable of assaulting a kid he believes to be a burglar who stole his bike ;)
You ignore everything that helps him and nitpick and overblow anything and any angle you can use to try and make him look guiltier.
You sir, are the biggest idiot I have ever had the misfortune of discussing this case with.
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Okay, in that case, it really looks like Trayvon's GF's testimony may be why he's charged with murder:
The two reconnected via cellphone for the last time at 7:12 p.m. for four minutes. Police say they arrived at the scene at 7:17 to find Martin dead, Crump said.
The girl told Crump that Martin told her he was being followed and that she had encouraged him to run.
"She knew details about what went on because he was telling her," Crump said.
He said the girl heard the initial confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman.
"Trayvon said, 'Why you following me, man?'" and Zimmerman said, 'What are you doing here?'" Crump said.
He said the girl could tell by Martin's voice that he was then pushed. She thinks Martin's cellphone headset came off and then the call was disconnected, Crump said.
He said that when she called back, the girl did not get an answer and knew nothing else until she heard of her friend's killing on the news.
So this doesn't help ZImm in the least. If Zimm will assault a cop, if zimm will assault his wife, it's safe to say he is capable of assaulting a kid he believes to be a burglar who stole his bike ;)
LMFAO Ive heard the testimony, you think you told me something I hadnt heard before?
LMFAO, so you think that she saying that she heard his voice change and knew he got pushed is something that lends credence to your case?
HAHHAHAHAHA
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what does a voice change sound like when you push someone vs get pushed?
LMFAO
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what does a voice change sound like when you push someone vs get pushed?
LMFAO
you just introduced her testimony as somehow helping zimmerman.
when shown the exact testimony, you say we can't trust her testimony?
which is it?
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you just introduced her testimony as somehow helping zimmerman.
when shown the exact testimony, you say we can't trust her testimony?
which is it?
You have yet to prove anything, yet you ask the defense to provide proof?
Idiot.
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you just introduced her testimony as somehow helping zimmerman.
when shown the exact testimony, you say we can't trust her testimony?
which is it?
LMFAO where did I say we cant trust her?
it really is amusing to see you spin so fast and reach so far :)
what we do know is that trayvon confronted zimmerman.
what happend after that is her interpretation of what she heard, it could just as easily have been that trayvon pushed zimmerman.
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LMFAO where did I say we cant trust her?
it really is amusing to see you spin so fast and reach so far :)
what we do know is that trayvon confronted zimmerman.
what happend after that is her interpretation of what she heard, it could just as easily have been that trayvon pushed zimmerman.
Clearly your wrong, its guilty until proven innocent and its Zimmerman's burden to prove himself innocent, not the Prosecutions job to prove him guilty.
For the lulz.
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there's a dead kid on the ground. already the burden of proof is upon ZIMM to prove why he felt he was gonna die, as well as prove he didn't start the mess.
It's looking a lot like he DID start it. He chased the kid 2 blocks. "he's running away" = pretty damning.
And zimm assaulted a cop. Zimm assaulted a fcking woman.
I'm kinda shocked that people are so quick to defend a trigger happy, obama-voting, wife-beating, truth-stretching, busy body, anti-LEO angry insecure prick like Zimmerman.
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there's a dead kid on the ground. already the burden of proof is upon ZIMM to prove why he felt he was gonna die, as well as prove he didn't start the mess.
It's looking a lot like he DID start it. He chased the kid 2 blocks. "he's running away" = pretty damning.
And zimm assaulted a cop. Zimm assaulted a fcking woman.
I'm kinda shocked that people are so quick to defend a trigger happy, obama-voting, wife-beating, truth-stretching, busy body, anti-LEO angry insecure prick like Zimmerman.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
*cough*
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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there is still the question about whether deadly force was justified
I don't think that's an issue as it can't be disproven.
Only Zimmerman knows if he was truly in fear for his life and we know what he's going to say.
So I think the issue is only whether Zim put himself in that position, or did TM circle around and attack.
*edit...it's an issue, but I think you get what I'm saying.
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Raise your hand if you have your gun permit and have been forced to sit thru the monotonous permit classes?
They break this down very clearly. If you shoot someone, you can't just say "hey, I was scared". You'd damn well do better than that.
Of course, the prosecutor agrees with me as well.
A lot of people who don't carry a gun saying it's okay to shoot someone as long as there are no witnesses to counter what you say happened. They'll be looking at what happened leading up to the shoot - You know that, right?
If I tell the cop that I chased the unarmed dude 2 blocks while calling him as asshole (hey, I thought he stole my bike), then we had words and a fight - I'm going to prison. It's pretty simple.
I've been thru the permit class for myself and i've taken others. i had to sit thru it just about a month back, the same wed that zimmerman was charged, and they made a big deal about it. the NRA instructor talked a lot about how you can't just chase someone and shoot them because there aren't witnesses.
But yall dont have permits, right?
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Raise your hand if you have your gun permit and have been forced to sit thru the monotonous permit classes?
They break this down very clearly. If you shoot someone, you can't just say "hey, I was scared". You'd damn well do better than that.
Of course, the prosecutor agrees with me as well.
A lot of people who don't carry a gun saying it's okay to shoot someone as long as there are no witnesses to counter what you say happened. They'll be looking at what happened leading up to the shoot - You know that, right?
If I tell the cop that I chased the unarmed dude 2 blocks while calling him as asshole (hey, I thought he stole my bike), then we had words and a fight - I'm going to prison. It's pretty simple.
I've been thru the permit class for myself and i've taken others. i had to sit thru it just about a month back, the same wed that zimmerman was charged, and they made a big deal about it. the NRA instructor talked a lot about how you can't just chase someone and shoot them because there aren't witnesses.
But yall dont have permits, right?
Yes I have a permit, and lulz @ your trying to find non-reasons to justify your stance.
We never had our class taught how to kill someone and get away with you.
Youre projecting your own experience on him.
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the NRA instructor said it was VERY clear the actions zimmerman took - pursuing the kid 2 blocks, displaying motive for vengeance on a recorded 911 call, were going to leave his goose cooked.
The prosecutor seemed to agree too.
I think this is the disconnect here - getbiggers believe the actions right before the fistfight/shooting won't be considered by the jury. THe instructor and prosecutor disagree.
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the NRA instructor said it was VERY clear the actions zimmerman took - pursuing the kid 2 blocks, displaying motive for vengeance on a recorded 911 call, were going to leave his goose cooked.
The prosecutor seemed to agree too.
I think this is the disconnect here - getbiggers believe the actions right before the fistfight/shooting won't be considered by the jury. THe instructor and prosecutor disagree.
Link.
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there's a dead kid on the ground. already the burden of proof is upon ZIMM to prove why he felt he was gonna die, as well as prove he didn't start the mess.
It's looking a lot like he DID start it. He chased the kid 2 blocks. "he's running away" = pretty damning.
And zimm assaulted a cop. Zimm assaulted a fcking woman.
I'm kinda shocked that people are so quick to defend a trigger happy, obama-voting, wife-beating, truth-stretching, busy body, anti-LEO angry insecure prick like Zimmerman.
so does this mean we get to bring trayvons past incidents into the fray as well or just zimmermans?
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Link.
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so does this mean we get to bring trayvons past incidents into the fray as well or just zimmermans?
yes. If trayvon had a history of attacking people, it would be very important. From what I've seen, he was a lazy pothead. But maybe he assaulted a cop and a woman like ZImm did. Anyone know?
Link to what? ZImm's exact words are that he's running away. Zimm called him an asshole and punk on tape. Zimm hung up that phone and traveled 2 blocks on foot - the spot trayvon was shot was 2 blocks from the truck.
Again, this all comes down to me, the prosecutor, and that NRA instructor saying the actions from the truck to the incident, as well as the 911 call, are very important and useful for determining what happened here. I believe (correct me if i'm wrong) - you believe they have nothing to do with the shooting. Is that where we stand?
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Link.
LINK TO WHAT??????
the NRA instructor said it was VERY clear the actions zimmerman took - pursuing the kid 2 blocks, displaying motive for vengeance on a recorded 911 call, were going to leave his goose cooked
Link to this, moron!
You very clearly stated an NRA instructor said this about Zimmerman, back it up hotshot, where's your proof?
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LINK??????
which part of my statement do you need verified with linked proof? I thought it was common knowledge by now to anyone who has listened to the 911 call. He calls the kid asshole and punk. He says "he's running away". And the map shows the spot where trayvon's body was found, 2 blocks from the parked truck where zimm identified as his location on the phone.
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which part of my statement do you need verified with linked proof? I thought it was common knowledge by now to anyone who has listened to the 911 call. He calls the kid asshole and punk. He says "he's running away". And the map shows the spot where trayvon's body was found, 2 blocks from the parked truck where zimm identified as his location on the phone.
You plainly stated this little gem -
the NRA instructor said it was VERY clear the actions zimmerman took - pursuing the kid 2 blocks, displaying motive for vengeance on a recorded 911 call, were going to leave his goose cooked
And youve been ducking my query for ANY sort of proof for the last several posts, even to the extent to pretend like I didnt even post it.
Post proof that the NRA instructor said this. Cause Im beginning to think you just made this up, like youve been doing with half your facts. Youre turning into the Political boards Vince G.
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More from Dershowitz:
Drop George Zimmerman’s murder charge
New evidence suggests Trayvon Martin's killer acted in self-defense
BY ALAN DERSHOWITZ / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Published: Friday, May 18, 2012, 3:55 AM
Updated: Friday, May 18, 2012, 3:55 AM
A medical report by George Zimmerman’s doctor has disclosed that Zimmerman had a fractured nose, two black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head and a back injury on the day after the fatal shooting. If this evidence turns out to be valid, the prosecutor will have no choice but to drop the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman — if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally.
There is, of course, no assurance that the special prosecutor handling the case, State Attorney Angela Corey, will do the right thing. Because until now, her actions have been anything but ethical, lawful and professional.
She was aware when she submitted an affidavit that it did not contain the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. She deliberately withheld evidence that supported Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense. The New York Times has reported that the police had “a full face picture” of Zimmerman, before paramedics treated him, that showed “a bloodied nose.” The prosecutor also had photographic evidence of bruises to the back of his head.
This Feb. 27, 2012 photo released by the State Attorney's Office shows George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who shot Trayvon Martin, with blood on the back of his head. The photo and reports were among evidence released by prosecutors that also includes calls to police, video and numerous other documents.
But none of this was included in any affidavit.
Now there is much more extensive medical evidence that would tend to support Zimmerman’s version of events. This version, if true, would establish self-defense even if Zimmerman had improperly followed, harassed and provoked Martin.
A defendant, under Florida law, loses his “stand your ground” defense if he provoked the encounter — but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force.
Thus, if Zimmerman verbally provoked Martin, but Martin then got on top of Zimmerman and banged his head into the ground, broke his nose, bloodied his eyes and persisted in attacking Zimmerman — and if Zimmerman couldn’t protect himself from further attack except by shooting Martin — he would have the right to do that. (The prosecution has already admitted that it has no evidence that Zimmerman started the actual fight.)
This is a fact-specific case, in which much turns on what the jury believes beyond a reasonable doubt. It must resolve all such doubts in favor of the defendant, because our system of justice insists that it is better for 10 guilty defendants to go free than for even one innocent to be wrongfully convicted.
You wouldn’t know that from listening to Corey, who announced that her jobs was “to do justice for Trayvon Martin” — not for George Zimmerman.
As many see it, her additional job is to prevent riots of the sort that followed the acquittal of the policemen who beat Rodney King.
Indeed, Mansfield Frazier, a columnist for the Daily Beast, has suggested that it is the responsibility of the legal system to “avert a large scale racial calamity.” He has urged Zimmerman’s defense lawyer to become a “savior” by brokering a deal to plead his client guilty to a crime that “has him back on the streets within this decade.”
But it is not the role of a defense lawyer to save the world or the country. His job — his only job — is to get the best result for his client, by all legal and ethical means.
Listen to the way a famous British barrister put it in 1820:
“An advocate, by the sacred duty which he owes his client, knows, in the discharge of that office, but one person in the world, that client and none other . . . Nay, separating even the duties of a patriot from those of an advocate, and casting them, if need be, to the wind, he must go on reckless of the consequences, if his fate it should unhappily be, to involve his country in confusion for his client’s protection.”
The prosecutor’s job is far broader: to do justice to the defendant as well as the alleged victim. As the Supreme Court has said: “The government wins . . . when justice is done.”
Zimmerman’s lawyer is doing his job. It’s about time for the prosecutor to start doing hers.
Dershowitz, a defense attorney, is a professor at Harvard Law School.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/drop-george-zimmerman-murder-charge-article-1.1080161
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wow, a criminal defense lawyer (isn't he one of the OJ team?) says zimmerman is innocent.
In that case, why even have the trial?
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You plainly stated this little gem -
And youve been ducking my query for ANY sort of proof for the last several posts, even to the extent to pretend like I didnt even post it.
Post proof that the NRA instructor said this. Cause Im beginning to think you just made this up, like youve been doing with half your facts. Youre turning into the Political boards Vince G.
I'm not sure I can prove this to you. The guy was chatting about the situation. Sorry I can't link you to a conversation.
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I'm not sure I can prove this to you. The guy was chatting about the situation. Sorry I can't link you to a conversation.
So you have no way of backing up this conversation? You have no way of actually proving this ever happened. Just you, speaking on behalf of an NRA INSTRUCTOR for a conversation that may have never happened.
Good to know your still making up facts to back yourself up.
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I'm not sure I can prove this to you. The guy was chatting about the situation. Sorry I can't link you to a conversation.
Translation: I made it up.
Now there's a shocker. lol
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He said that the 2 block pursuit sure ain't gonna help him with the jury.
The prosecutor cited that 2 block pursuit and 911 call in her opening paragraph.
You can keep saying that its irrelevant, but when the prosecutor says it matters.... well, ,I dunno where we go from here. It appears to me that you can't chase someone for blocks, enter an alley, shoot them, and say "you can't prove what happened in that alley" and the chase, profanity, and motive for revenge aren't relevant. Maybe I'm wrong tho.
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He said that the 2 block pursuit sure ain't gonna help him with the jury.
The prosecutor cited that 2 block pursuit and 911 call in her opening paragraph.
You can keep saying that its irrelevant, but when the prosecutor says it matters.... well, ,I dunno where we go from here. It appears to me that you can't chase someone for blocks, enter an alley, shoot them, and say "you can't prove what happened in that alley" and the chase, profanity, and motive for revenge aren't relevant. Maybe I'm wrong tho.
The point is your spewing others opinions with no way to back yourself up.
In other words, in the eyes of a courtroom, your lying.
The Prosecutor went to far and she knows it.
You REALLY think she would have admitted she had no way of disproving his story, practically handing him his bail, if she had all this evidence?
Jesus Christ.
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zimm made statements about the attack and he can't back them up. Said trayvon doubled back and jumped him. He can't back them up.
He cannot back that up - is he lying? Of course not.
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zimm made statements about the attack and he can't back them up. Said trayvon doubled back and jumped him. He can't back them up.
He cannot back that up - is he lying? Of course not.
Zimm doesnt have to back them up.
The prosecution has to prove he's lying.
Herp derp derp you dweeb.
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You REALLY think she would have admitted she had no way of disproving his story, practically handing him his bail, if she had all this evidence?
Shootings happen all the time when they can't disprove the story because only 2 ppl saw it, and 1 is dead.
Sometimes the shooter goes to jail. Sometimes he doesn't.
Sometimes the prosecutor can't disprove the story, but they just plain believe the dude is lying and they convict him.
In this case, we've already seen a few 'inconsistencies' or 'revisions' with zimm's story. So I think it's likely the jury will say he's lying about some or all of it.
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Shootings happen all the time when they can't disprove the story because only 2 ppl saw it, and 1 is dead.
Sometimes the shooter goes to jail. Sometimes he doesn't.
Sometimes the prosecutor can't disprove the story, but they just plain believe the dude is lying and they convict him.
In this case, we've already seen a few 'inconsistencies' or 'revisions' with zimm's story. So I think it's likely the jury will say he's lying about some or all of it.
Back it up, hotshot.
This is supposed to be the land of innocent until proven guilty.
So until you can post cases of a man getting charge for 2nd degree murder where a prosecutor cant prove his story false, youre just blowing hot air.
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Back it up, hotshot.
This is supposed to be the land of innocent until proven guilty.
So until you can post cases of a man getting charge for 2nd degree murder where a prosecutor cant prove his story false, youre just blowing hot air.
that's a very good challenge. I shall try to find one.
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that's a very good challenge. I shall try to find one.
I wont hold my breath.
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lol
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Back it up, hotshot.
This is supposed to be the land of innocent until proven guilty.
So until you can post cases of a man getting charge for 2nd degree murder where a prosecutor cant prove his story false, youre just blowing hot air.
This isn't the land of "innocent until proven guilty".......its the land of "Money talks and bullshit walks".... ::)
I've already stated that Zimmerman is likely going to plead out his case because he'll never be found "not guilty"....no jury is simply going to let him walk out a free man...period.
Whatever went down that night....one thing is clear. Zimmerman may have gotten an ass whipping by Trayvon but its nothing compared to being dead......you can't come back from that. He created the situation by his own actions and he's going to pay for it one way or another. Even by some odd miracle that he walked out a free man....somebody is going to seriously fuck him up or his family regardless.
He's screwed big time...
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This isn't the land of "innocent until proven guilty".......its the land of "Money talks and bullshit walks".... ::)
I've already stated that Zimmerman is likely going to plead out his case because he'll never be found "not guilty"....no jury is simply going to let him walk out a free man...period.
Whatever went down that night....one thing is clear. Zimmerman may have gotten an ass whipping by Trayvon but its nothing compared to being dead......you can't come back from that. He created the situation by his own actions and he's going to pay for it one way or another. Even by some odd miracle that he walked out a free man....somebody is going to seriously fuck him up or his family regardless.
He's screwed big time...
Ya ya ya, we all know, you keep telling us how he's going to plead out, even though he just plead NOT GUILTY.
Stupid fuck.
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Ya ya ya, we all know, you keep telling us how he's going to plead out, even though he just plead NOT GUILTY.
Stupid fuck.
Again you can plead out all the way up to where the jury is deliberating the case.
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Again you can plead out all the way up to where the jury is deliberating the case.
Yea, no shit sherlock.
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wow, a criminal defense lawyer (isn't he one of the OJ team?) says zimmerman is innocent.
In that case, why even have the trial?
He certainly knows more than you. This story has shown you to be borderline retarded and completely ignorant of this country's justice system as well as a scumbag liar.
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He certainly knows more than you. This story has shown you to be borderline retarded and completely ignorant of this country's justice system as well as a scumbag liar.
let's not forget, now the Feds are in n this too!
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Bullshit. 240 will tell you that he learned on MSDNC that these are all lies.
whats so hard to understand here?...the guy jumped Trayvon, bit off more than he could chew...got his ass handed to him...and Zimmerdumb shot him because he couldn't take getting his ass destroyed like a man
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let's not forget, now the Feds are in n this too!
and the FEDS NEVER lose
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and the FEDS NEVER lose
LOL. Yeah amazing a bi sexual idiot like applauds that. ::).
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LOL. Yeah amazing a bi sexual idiot like applauds that. ::).
bi sexual idiot????......you are really losing it
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This isn't the land of "innocent until proven guilty".......its the land of "Money talks and bullshit walks".... ::)
I've already stated that Zimmerman is likely going to plead out his case because he'll never be found "not guilty"....no jury is simply going to let him walk out a free man...period.
Whatever went down that night....one thing is clear. Zimmerman may have gotten an ass whipping by Trayvon but its nothing compared to being dead......you can't come back from that. He created the situation by his own actions and he's going to pay for it one way or another. Even by some odd miracle that he walked out a free man....somebody is going to seriously fuck him up or his family regardless.
He's screwed big time...
I disagree. I think the prosecutor didn't take this to a grand jury because the evidence is so weak she may not have been able to get an indictment. Unless there is some smoking gun (so to speak), he'll likely be acquitted.
And he's not going to have a problem in society. If a true pariah like OJ can get away with murder and still play golf for years, Zimmerman will be fine. He's nowhere near the pariah that OJ or someone like Casey Anthony were/are.
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I disagree. I think the prosecutor didn't take this to a grand jury because the evidence is so weak she may not have been able to get an indictment. Unless there is some smoking gun (so to speak), he'll likely be acquitted.
And he's not going to have a problem in society. If a true pariah like OJ can get away with murder and still play golf for years, Zimmerman will be fine. He's nowhere near the pariah that OJ or someone like Casey Anthony were/are.
Well the lawyer was on Fox News Sunday and he was considering a plea bargain as an option when the question was posed to him. He's waiting for all the evidence to come but he realizes that he's not likely to win on a "self defense"
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Well the lawyer was on Fox News Sunday and he was considering a plea bargain as an option when the question was posed to him. He's waiting for all the evidence to come but he realizes that he's not likely to win on a "self defense"
zimmerman will plead.
repubs who support him (who knows why), will claim he was just a 'victim'. they'll cry about injustice, etc.
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Trayvon did not know Zimmerman had a gun at the time he decided to assault Zimmerman.
Now lets take YOUR scenario. If I KNEW someone was following me with a gun, I would call the police. I would NEVER EVER approach someone if I knew they had a gun and were following me. I`d call the police and get to safety as fast as possible. I would knock on the nearest door and explain someone is following me with a gun, that I just called the police and can I wait for them there. Or I`d find a well lit place, with a lot of people if possible and wait for the police.
That is all irrelevant though as Trayvon did none of those things and he did not know Zimmerman had a gun. Even if he did know that he had a gun, that makes him even more of a moron for assaulting him.
Yup kind off pointless ill admit since we dont know what happened its all speculation
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Yup kind off pointless ill admit since we dont know what happened its all speculation
For us, it's all speculation.
But for the prosecutor, who has access to worlds more evidence and facts than us, it's a simple decision. Charge him with murder - not manslaughter.
She seeems to really think he did something wrong chasing trayvon like that.
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For us, it's all speculation.
But for the prosecutor, who has access to worlds more evidence and facts than us, it's a simple decision. Charge him with murder - not manslaughter.
She seeems to really think he did something wrong chasing trayvon like that.
So he chased him.... with gun in tow... and the kid ended up dead... but some how its the kids fault?
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So he chased him.... with gun in tow... and the kid ended up dead... but some how its the kids fault?
::) ::)
clueless, absolutely clueless.
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So he chased him.... with gun in tow... and the kid ended up dead... but some how its the kids fault?
Because, even though no witnesses saw it, Zimmerman claimed his anger and beeline to trayvon suddenly stopped and he decided to go home and watch tv. Suddenly, as a guy just out walking with no anger or malice (this was about 90 seconds after hanging up), the unarmed kid who just ran away turned into a possessed angry pothead - and you KNOW the kind of THC violence we're talking about.
After 60 seconds of having head smashed and mouth muffled while receiving death threats (the 911 tapes recording the opposite are all alterered, of course) - Zimm did the heroic thing.
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Well the lawyer was on Fox News Sunday and he was considering a plea bargain as an option when the question was posed to him. He's waiting for all the evidence to come but he realizes that he's not likely to win on a "self defense"
If you're talking about the Geraldo interview, I didn't hear him say that, but I didn't see the entire interview. I agree with Dershowitz who said this may not make it past a judge. Incredibly weak murder case.
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If you're talking about the Geraldo interview, I didn't hear him say that, but I didn't see the entire interview. I agree with Dershowitz who said this may not make it past a judge. Incredibly weak murder case.
I'd be shocked if dershowitz DIDNT say what he said. He's a defense lawyer. He also said OJ was innocent. yeahhhh sorry, he's a defense lawyer. it's what they do.
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I'd be shocked if dershowitz DIDNT say what he said. He's a defense lawyer. He also said OJ was innocent. yeahhhh sorry, he's a defense lawyer. it's what they do.
You say this, yet you REFUSE to recognize that the Prosecutor does the SAME THING, its what they do to go overboard to try and make a name for themselves.
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You say this, yet you REFUSE to recognize that the Prosecutor does the SAME THING, its what they do to go overboard to try and make a name for themselves.
The same prosecutor who said she was going get justice for Martin, while she was still supposedly impartially investigating the facts.
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The same prosecutor who said she was going get justice for Martin, while she was still supposedly impartially investigating the facts.
Wrong.
Its only the defense that does that. Cause its not like a no-name prosecutor is going to try and jump on the case of the year or anything.
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You say this, yet you REFUSE to recognize that the Prosecutor does the SAME THING, its what they do to go overboard to try and make a name for themselves.
We've seen a couple of "inconsistencies" in the zimmerman statment so far that have leaked out. If he got those major things wrong - circling the car, having his mouth covered, and trayvon making verbal death threats which somehow didn't appear on 911 calls...
She probably has the recordings where ZImm waffles and exaggerates and talks himself into an indictment. The lead detective saw thru it, and wanted to charge him. The only thing that stopped an instant charge of murder was a police chief (who has since resigned), and perhaps there wasn't any influence from the judge dad. Cough. yeah, right.
If he lied about 1 thing in that shooting, he isn't credible. We can see a few lies already. She probably has dozens in the hours of interviews. No brainer - indict his lying ass.