"Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations"

[240 is Back]

the republican prosecutor believes zimmerman committed murder.  she's seen way more evidence than we have.

[Dos Equis]

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No idea how they confronted each other.  Doesn't really matter.  One of them bum-rushed the other, and it sounds like it was Martin who attacked Zimmerman.  

[Option D]

Because Zimmerman was monitoring the neighborhood.  Did you forget that part?

does monitoring consist of confronting  as well... from my understanding, monitoring is observing. What authority did he have to confront the teen?

Please explain

[240 is Back]

No idea how they confronted each other.  Doesn't really matter.  One of them bum-rushed the other, and it sounds like it was Martin who attacked Zimmerman.  

it "sounds like" - from what?

Aside from the self-serving testimony of a man with a felony plea for assault on a LEO and a home domestic violence charge...

We have no clue who "bum rushed" the other.   We only know which one of them got their ass whipped.

[The True Adonis]

does monitoring consist of confronting  as well... from my understanding, monitoring is observing. What authority did he have to confront the teen?

Please explain

Concerned citizen.  Have you ever heard of the Minuteman Project?  Its all legal.

[Fury]

it "sounds like" - from what?

Aside from the self-serving testimony of a man with a felony plea for assault on a LEO and a home domestic violence charge...

We have no clue who "bum rushed" the other.   We only know which one of them got their ass whipped.

You've got some fucking stones asking that question when you've done nothing but make facts up for 2 months now without substantiating a single one. Now you're Mr. "Prove it". 

[The True Adonis]

it "sounds like" - from what?

Aside from the self-serving testimony of a man with a felony plea for assault on a LEO and a home domestic violence charge...

We have no clue who "bum rushed" the other.   We only know which one of them got their ass whipped.

If you "have no clue" or "no evidence" of what happened, you have to rule in favor of Zimmerman.  Innocent until proven guilty.

[Fury]

If you "have no clue" or "no evidence" of what happened, you have to rule in favor of Zimmerman.  Innocent until proven guilty.

Not in the lynch mob's eyes. He was guilty from day one according to 240. He had the facts of this case sorted out long ago and will probably argue that the photos and witnesses were all made up.

[Straw Man]

No idea how they confronted each other.  Doesn't really matter.  One of them bum-rushed the other, and it sounds like it was Martin who attacked Zimmerman.  

now this is a funny post

In the first sentence you admit you have no idea how they confronted each other

in the second sentence you say it doesn't matter

in the third sentence somehow you've forgotten what you worte in the first sentence and concluded that Martin attacked Zimmerman

[Straw Man]

the republican prosecutor believes zimmerman committed murder.  she's seen way more evidence than we have.

yes but has she consulted with the legal braintrust on GB.com

is she aware that Martin is a savage thug who deserves to be shot to death for wearing a hoodie

is she aware that Zimmerman should be thanked and given an apology and a pat on the head and no one should ever question his story

[Straw Man]

Because Zimmerman was monitoring the neighborhood.  Did you forget that part?

and he also violated all the guidelines of the neighborhood watch program

It's watch and report

not stalk, confront and shoot to death and unarmed kid committing no crime


The Sanford police posted its neighborhood watch program handbook on the internet here:

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/NWProgramHandbook.pdf

Relevant portions:

You will add your “eyes and ears” to those of the Police Department which
cannot be everywhere, all the time, by keeping a watchful eye and open ear to
what is happening in your neighborhood. You will extend their ability to provide security by reporting anything unusual or suspicious, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, so they can follow up on your leads. What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.
...

10. Remember always that your responsibility is to report crime. Do not take any risks to prevent a crime or try to make an arrest. The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the police department.

[The True Adonis]

and he also violated all the guidelines of the neighborhood watch program

It's watch and report

not stalk, confront and shoot to death and unarmed kid committing no crime


The Sanford police posted its neighborhood watch program handbook on the internet here:

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/NWProgramHandbook.pdf

Relevant portions:

You will add your “eyes and ears” to those of the Police Department which
cannot be everywhere, all the time, by keeping a watchful eye and open ear to
what is happening in your neighborhood. You will extend their ability to provide security by reporting anything unusual or suspicious, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, so they can follow up on your leads. What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.
...

10. Remember always that your responsibility is to report crime. Do not take any risks to prevent a crime or try to make an arrest. The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the police department.

1. He did not initiate any "physical activity".

2. He can prevent a crime if he wants and he DID NOT try to make an arrest.

3.  Neighborhood watch guidelines are NOT LAWS.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

No.  He's a thug because he was suspended from school three times, including once for having drug residue in his backpack, was a drug user with drugs in his system on the day he was killed, dressed like a thug, and was stupid enough to attack a stranger with a concealed weapon. 

If you step back and look at this objectively, Zimmerman was right to believe Martin looked suspicious. 

I've was suspended 6 times from high school and arrested 1 time.....doesn't mean anything.  I have 2 college degrees and no criminal record because my arrest was unlawful and was thrown out of court.

Smoking weed also doesn't make you a thug neither......I've never ran into a violent pothead before and according to the coroner, the amount in his system was minimal to where he had not smoked away in at least a week. 

Either way, his school record and pot smoking have nothing to do with the case and it would not even be allowed to be mentioned in court....Zimmerman shot an unarmed man who was doing nothing but walking down the street minding his own business.  He has every right to defend himself against someone chasing him.

Zimmerman could have very easily avoided this incident...and that's why he'll be convicted...no jury is going to let him go free...the federal government won't neither.....he needs to just plead this shit out or he might end up with a life sentence

[Roger Bacon]

What authority did he have to confront the teen?

You need authority to confront someone in the United States?

[Straw Man]

1. He did not initiate any "physical activity".

how do you know.  In fact just by following him one could say he was the instigating cause.
I also think it's likely that he took the route that he did knowing that he would essentially cut off Martin i.e confront him.   This is speculation on my part solely because Zimmerman knew the complex.

Also the investigator on the scene the night of the shooting said (per this article http://news.yahoo.com/autopsy-evidence-marijuana-martins-blood-215533578.html) that Zimmerman confronted Martin

He said Zimmerman, after leaving his vehicle, could have identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and talked to him instead of confronting him

.

2. He can prevent a crime if he wants and he DID NOT try to make an arrest.

sure he can. He is free to do whatever he wants but that directly contrary to the neighborhoos watch guidlelines

3.  Neighborhood watch guidelines are NOT LAWS.

no shit

never said they were

[Dos Equis]

I've was suspended 6 times from high school and arrested 1 time.....doesn't mean anything.  I have 2 college degrees and no criminal record because my arrest was unlawful and was thrown out of court.

Smoking weed also doesn't make you a thug neither......I've never ran into a violent pothead before and according to the coroner, the amount in his system was minimal to where he had not smoked away in at least a week. 

Either way, his school record and pot smoking have nothing to do with the case and it would not even be allowed to be mentioned in court....Zimmerman shot an unarmed man who was doing nothing but walking down the street minding his own business.  He has every right to defend himself against someone chasing him.

Zimmerman could have very easily avoided this incident...and that's why he'll be convicted...no jury is going to let him go free...the federal government won't neither.....he needs to just plead this shit out or he might end up with a life sentence

Congrats on turning your life around, but if you were suspended from school six time you were probably a little thug too.

Where did the autopsy say he hadn't smoked in a week?

Smoking weed could have impaired his judgment.  It's absolutely relevant.  Just like it would have been if Zimmerman was the pothead. 

Zimmerman shot a thug who was beating the crap out if him.  That's why, unless there is more evidence we haven't seen, he's likely going to be acquitted.  Not sure the Feds can touch him either.  He isn't law enforcement.

[Straw Man]

Congrats on turning your life around, but if you were suspended from school six time you were probably a little thug too.

Where did the autopsy say he hadn't smoked in a week?
Smoking weed could have impaired his judgment.  It's absolutely relevant.  Just like it would have been if Zimmerman was the pothead. 

Zimmerman shot a thug who was beating the crap out if him.  That's why, unless there is more evidence we haven't seen, he's likely going to be acquitted.  Not sure the Feds can touch him either.  He isn't law enforcement.

pot can be in your system for up to a month after smoking, sometime even longer

Come on Bum - you know this

You smoked plenty of weed in your day and God and Jebus only know what else you've done

[tonymctones]

pot can be in your system for up to a month after smoking, sometime even longer

Come on Bum - you know this

You smoked plenty of weed in your day and God and Jebus only know what else you've done

you should go back and do some research...

how long is THC in your blood and urine?

specifically blood?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Congrats on turning your life around, but if you were suspended from school six time you were probably a little thug too.

Where did the autopsy say he hadn't smoked in a week?

Smoking weed could have impaired his judgment.  It's absolutely relevant.  Just like it would have been if Zimmerman was the pothead. 

Zimmerman shot a thug who was beating the crap out if him.  That's why, unless there is more evidence we haven't seen, he's likely going to be acquitted.  Not sure the Feds can touch him either.  He isn't law enforcement.

The jury will never hear of it because no judge will allow that to be entered into evidence.  And the Fed's are coming after him...not only for murder but for civil rights violations.  Its pretty sad how some of the news media wants to spit on the guy's grave but Zimmerman will do some hard time.   He's not getting a free ride except to prison

[240 is Back]

i think the prosecutor will argue trayvon swung in self defense after he ran two blocks to get away from the armed man - and the armed man cut off his path.

Dark night, some fat angry man with a gun muttering profanity chases you a few blocks then cuts off you path, you fear for your life.

Maybe trayvon was standing his own ground, trying to disarm the man with a gun and no authority to chase him.   ZImm wasn't neighborhood watch - he was just a dude with a gun coming home from target.  Getbiggers argue he didn't have to follow that inconvenient "don't carry a gun on neigh watch" rule.  Zimm was the head of the watch, he should have known that rule

[tonymctones]

i think the prosecutor will argue trayvon swung in self defense after he ran two blocks to get away from the armed man - and the armed man cut off his path.

Dark night, some fat angry man with a gun muttering profanity chases you a few blocks then cuts off you path, you fear for your life.

Maybe trayvon was standing his own ground, trying to disarm the man with a gun and no authority to chase him.   ZImm wasn't neighborhood watch - he was just a dude with a gun coming home from target.  Getbiggers argue he didn't have to follow that inconvenient "don't carry a gun on neigh watch" rule.  Zimm was the head of the watch, he should have known that rule

hmmm trayvons girlfriends testimony is going to nullify that...

[Shockwave]

i think the prosecutor will argue trayvon swung in self defense after he ran two blocks to get away from the armed man - and the armed man cut off his path.

Dark night, some fat angry man with a gun muttering profanity chases you a few blocks then cuts off you path, you fear for your life.

Maybe trayvon was standing his own ground, trying to disarm the man with a gun and no authority to chase him.   ZImm wasn't neighborhood watch - he was just a dude with a gun coming home from target.  Getbiggers argue he didn't have to follow that inconvenient "don't carry a gun on neigh watch" rule.  Zimm was the head of the watch, he should have known that rule

Herrrp Derrrp.
240 or bust everyone.

[240 is Back]

hmmm trayvons girlfriends testimony is going to nullify that...

getbiggers said she isn't credible - Is she, tony?

[Dos Equis]

The jury will never hear of it because no judge will allow that to be entered into evidence.  And the Fed's are coming after him...not only for murder but for civil rights violations.  Its pretty sad how some of the news media wants to spit on the guy's grave but Zimmerman will do some hard time.   He's not getting a free ride except to prison

How do you know no judge will allow a jury to hear that Martin was a pothead and/or had drugs in his system when he was beating the crap out of Zimmerman? 

The feds can't charge him with murder, because Zimmerman is not federal law enforcement officer and the alleged crime didn't take place on federal government property. 

I doubt they can charge him with civil rights violations because he's a private citizen. 

What's sad is the lynch mob mentality by the media and many in the public who had this guy all but executed before the facts came in. What the facts show, so far, is self defense. 

[240 is Back]

What the facts show, so far, is self defense. 

The group of facts you're referring to - those are the ones in the public realm.

There's a lot more facts which are still unkonwn to the public - the republican prosecutor had access to these, and we do not.

She concluded it was murder.  We have 40% of the puzzle pieces.  She has 100% of them.