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Can't fucking stand the fact these two cars come with anything besides a V8. Of course it is simple economics, i get it but.....
I am so sick of all these dipshits driving their new "sports cars" thinking they are cool.
If you don't want a V8, buy a fucking nissan,honda,audi, or something that should have a V6.
Don't support this utter gayness.
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This pisses me off too.
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Can't fucking stand the fact these two cars come with anything besides a V8. Of course it is simple economics, i get it but.....
I am so sick of all these dipshits driving their new "sports cars" thinking they are cool.
If you don't want a V8, buy a fucking nissan,honda,audi, or something that should have a V6.
Don't support this utter gayness.
Corvette is the real deal... C6 ;D
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American cars. LOL
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I am so sick of all these dipshits driving their new "sports cars" thinking they are cool.
Why would you even spend a second of thought guessing what other people think about themselves when they drive a car? You have no way of ever knowing if you're right.
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American cars. LOL
a corvette C6 ZO6 will run with any exotic, and for a fraction of sticker and maintenance price
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a getbig analogy on this subject:
how would a powerlifting competitor or fan feel if they added hyperextensions and concentration curls to the "big 3"
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a corvette C6 ZO6 will run with any exotic, and for a fraction of sticker and maintenance price
and we still haven't started talking about the 635 HP zr1 ;)
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Ever time I walk down the street, some fool drives by and revs it up and then turns around to see if I was watching. Yeah dawg, my ford ranger has the same damn motor in it ::). Maybe if they weren't owned by everybody and his brother they would be more impressive.
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a corvette C6 ZO6 will run with any exotic, and for a fraction of sticker and maintenance price
You people have no class. All you think about is how much you can get for the least mount of money. Works great for toilet paper, not for a car.
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anything lower than a V12 is a makeshift
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OP, I agree. It makes it even worse when they have dual exhaust and it sounds like a fucking bumble bee.
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Agree with OP.
V6 Mustangs or F-body's should be burned to the ground.
Newsflash - theyre not fast.
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American cars. LOL
LOL European cars :D
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:D
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lol at american cars and lmfao at american v6 cars.
v6 is bad enough, but american v6 is fucking shit, compare it to some european v6s, theyre halfway decent.
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American V6
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American V6 :D
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and we still haven't started talking about the 635 HP zr1 ;)
Exactly
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American V6
I wouldnt quite lump the Buick V6 in with the Mustang/Camaro V6, different animals.
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I love all cars, from American v8's to Italian exotics.
The Italians and Germans are getting spanked around the nurburgring by the Americans these days, and not
many people are liking it.
I personally love seeing a 'budget' manufacturer outperforming the exotics.
That doesn't mean I wouldn't want to drive home with an Italian v12 singing behind my driver's seat.
People get way too loyal to particular brands or the nationality of a car. I think its strange, appreciate each car
for what it does.
As far as v6's in American muscle cars, I think it is definitely taking the whole 'muscle' aspect out of them, but
the current ones produce more power than the old v8's did. Ford's V6 mustang gets over 30mpg and makes more power
than the 5.0 and 4.6 GT's a few years back. They are offering fuel efficient alternatives to people that just like the
styling of the car (usually women or kids that can't afford a v8's insurance).
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I didn't know we had so many loaded getbiggers that could afford to buy top end cars. Doesn't the base v6 Mustang put out 300hp? That's a lot for a v6. The Corvette is one of the hottest cars out there. The top motors you can get with them can hang with anything.
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The new Mustang, Camaro, and Chrysler Pentastar v6's are all 300+ hp(though the torque curve is less than impressive).
Nowadays, a lot of the new muscle cars and the Corvette are easily in the 800+ HP range......able to pull this off with nowhere near the money required to purchase a high-end European import...and still maintain respectable driveability. People who buy cars like Ferraris, Lambos, etc...buy them for their exclusiveness, uniqueness, and the fact that they have a LOT of money to throw away. If you want to go fast on a relative budget, you would never, ever consider any product out of Europe.
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I wouldnt quite lump the Buick V6 in with the Mustang/Camaro V6, different animals.
I wasn't per sa just pointing out that America V6's are nothing to scoff at and the new Camaro/Mustang V6 actually have more h/p than the original Grand Nationals did , even the GNX !!
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Lol, I love these European automaker nutthuggers. As if the engineering in Italy or Germany is somehow magically better than what is engineered in the United States, Japan or Korea for that matter. Different vehicles for different purposes, sold in different markets. Hematocritter nailed it, like each car for the qualities that make it different and interesting. Cars are a lot like whores in this regard.
Those Grand Nationals were decades ahead of their time.
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The new Mustang, Camaro, and Chrysler Pentastar v6's are all 300+ hp(though the torque curve is less than impressive).
Nowadays, a lot of the new muscle cars and the Corvette are easily in the 800+ HP range......able to pull this off with nowhere near the money required to purchase a high-end European import...and still maintain respectable driveability. People who buy cars like Ferraris, Lambos, etc...buy them for their exclusiveness, uniqueness, and the fact that they have a LOT of money to throw away. If you want to go fast on a relative budget, you would never, ever consider any product out of Europe.
The American cars are generally only fast in a straight line. Less grip and downforce than the European/Japanese sportscars.
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Some laugh at American engineering but I will put our tanks, Navy ships, and just military tech against anything German or Italian made. Our computer tech is top of the world too. My neighbor can't keep his BMW out of the shop. I think the Corvette looks better than a Lambo or Ferrari.
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There is no reason to laugh at American engineering, you are top of the world in a lot of fields. Sports-/Supercars just isn't one of them.
Put that Corvette ZR1 on a race track against Italian or Japanese cars with equal HP and it will be obvious why they are not as good.
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Lol, I love these European automaker nutthuggers. As if the engineering in Italy or Germany is somehow magically better than what is engineered in the United States, Japan or Korea for that matter. Different vehicles for different purposes, sold in different markets. Hematocritter nailed it, like each car for the qualities that make it different and interesting. Cars are a lot like whores in this regard.
Those Grand Nationals were decades ahead of their time.
Yeah, as if dual overhead cams are any better than a good old rocker arm, pushrod operated valvetrain. ::)
:D
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First off, I'm pretty certain the Mustangs and Camaro's have always been offered with a V6 as a base engine since their introductions. So it isn't like these have been V8 only cars since they debuted so many years ago.
Second, the V6's in these pony cars are more powerful, more efficient etc than the V8's of old, esp. with the 6Spd auto's. I get what the TC is saying, but V6's have always been in these cars.
Anyways.
Mustang V6 - 305HP and 280lb-ft of torque.
Camaro V6 - 323HP and around 275lb-ft of torque.
2002 Camaro SS - 325HP and 350lb-ft of torque.
Those are impressive V6's, nothing to laugh off that is for sure. And yes, I understand that the torque is probably more available at all RPMs compared to a V6 but either way, those V6's are pretty impressive.
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The new Mustang, Camaro, and Chrysler Pentastar v6's are all 300+ hp(though the torque curve is less than impressive).
Nowadays, a lot of the new muscle cars and the Corvette are easily in the 800+ HP range......able to pull this off with nowhere near the money required to purchase a high-end European import...and still maintain respectable driveability. People who buy cars like Ferraris, Lambos, etc...buy them for their exclusiveness, uniqueness, and the fact that they have a LOT of money to throw away. If you want to go fast on a relative budget, you would never, ever consider any product out of Europe.
This.
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Exactly
Looks exactly like my car.. except mine aint zr1.. i have c6 corvette / jetstream blue ;D
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Yeah, as if dual overhead cams are any better than a good old rocker arm, pushrod operated valvetrain. ::)
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NHRA Pro-stock disagree's with you.
3hp/ci (500ci, 1500hp) Naturally Aspirated. Pushrod V8.
Ill put money that you cannot find anything short of Formula 1 (which isnt even in the same reality) making those numbers without a power adder.
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There is no reason to laugh at American engineering, you are top of the world in a lot of fields. Sports-/Supercars just isn't one of them.
Put that Corvette ZR1 on a race track against Italian or Japanese cars with equal HP and it will be obvious why they are not as good.
The vette makes them wet
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The vette makes them wet
Pretty sure some of the Vette's have been beating the Euro's ass at the 'ring lately.
Not to throw any more gas on the fire.
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Yeah, as if dual overhead cams are any better than a good old rocker arm, pushrod operated valvetrain. ::)
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As long as the mission is accomplished, who really cares what valve-train is being used. OHV's are still relevant and GM's new GenV small block will be smaller, lighter, more efficient and include direct injection. The valve train pissing contest is silly.
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Isn't it little embarrassing (maybe even gay) to drive that kind of car with V6 :-\
Same as if someone would get a nuke submarine and roll in it by paddling
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Isn't it little embarrassing (maybe even gay) to drive that kind of car with V6 :-\
Same as if someone would get a nuke submarine and roll in it by paddling
Or a Nimitz carrier with the reactor replaced by diesel engines.
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Or a Nimitz carrier with the reactor replaced by diesel engines.
2013 Mustang V6
0-60 in 5.3 sec.
1/4 Mile in 13 sec.
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2005 Corvette
0-60 in 4.4 sec
1/4 in 12.5 sec.
Now, with speed tests there are many variables, I know this, from the driver skill, road quality etc. But come on, that isn't too shabby for a V6 powered sports coupe that stickers at around 25k decently optioned.
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2013 Mustang V6
0-60 in 5.3 sec.
1/4 Mile in 13 sec.
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2005 Corvette
0-60 in 4.4 sec
1/4 in 12.5 sec.
Now, with speed tests there are many variables, I know this, from the driver skill, road quality etc. But come on, that isn't too shabby for a V6 powered sports coupe that stickers at around 25k decently optioned.
You'll never see me argue that the V6's arent amazing for what they are, but I personally feel people are morons for paying nearly the same price and getting the small engine, fuck most of the Gen III/IV small blocks get almost the same gas mileage as the eff'ing V6's.
IMHO - the difference in gas mileage isnt enough to warrant the smaller, less buildable motors.
But for me, the potential for to build the motor is much more important that getting a couple miles/gal more.
Gen III/IV small blocks have so much more potential than the V6, its rediculous.
Dont get me wrong, the V6 has their places, for the weak, the women, and the children.
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You'll never see me argue that the V6's arent amazing for what they are, but I personally feel people are morons for paying nearly the same price and getting the small engine, fuck most of the Gen III/IV small blocks get almost the same gas mileage as the eff'ing V6's.
IMHO - the difference in gas mileage isnt enough to warrant the smaller, less buildable motors.
But for me, the potential for to build the motor is much more important that getting a couple miles/gal more.
Gen III/IV small blocks have so much more potential than the V6, its rediculous.
Dont get me wrong, the V6 has their places, for the weak, the women, and the children.
HA! ;D I know, I wouldn't buy one either unless it came with a track pack and forced injection of somekind. Ford would do well to put a 3.5 and the 2.0 Ecoboost engines in the Mustang. The car is light enough, out the track pack on it and you have a very capable, very mod friendly set up with a lot of headroom.
Either way, that 5.0 on the 'Stang is fuckin' sweet. All that power w/ no DI either is impressive.
Personally I'm def. waiting to see the GenV smallblock from GM. The rumors are stating it to be more compact, more powerful, DI, VVT, more efficient, smoother etc compared to the GenIV, all coming from a bit smaller displacement. I'm pumped.
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HA! ;D I know, I wouldn't buy one either unless it came with a track pack and forced injection of somekind. Ford would do well to put a 3.5 and the 2.0 Ecoboost engines in the Mustang. The car is light enough, out the track pack on it and you have a very capable, very mod friendly set up with a lot of headroom.
Either way, that 5.0 on the 'Stang is fuckin' sweet. All that power w/ no DI either is impressive.
Personally I'm def. waiting to see the GenV smallblock from GM. The rumors are stating it to be more compact, more powerful, DI, VVT, more efficient, smoother etc compared to the GenIV, all coming from a bit smaller displacement. I'm pumped.
Really? Havent really been paying attention to what GM's next motor is going to be. Any links?
DI kinda makes me wonder, as I have zero experience with it, and no race motors I know of run DI.
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Yes, the new 5.0 from Ford is sweet...just tired of the damn Fords requiring a $6.5k+ power adder just to get them moving at a decent clip...their n/a motors are absolute garbage in comparison with the rest.
Gen III's (LS1 for chrissakes) are hitting 10s on just a cam, bolt-ons(headers, intake, exhaust), some transmission work, weight reduction, and some suspension mods. If you do the work and tuning yourself, you can do this on a budget of around 3 grand or so. Not to mention 4th Gen fbodies can be easily had for less than 9 grand or so....C5s and 04 GTOs can be found for around 13 grand if you can afford a little more.
I love the Hemi stuff, but is twice as expensive to modify as Ford and GM, and with far less options. The new 392 SRT8s really move out, though.
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Yes, the new 5.0 from Ford is sweet...just tired of the damn Fords requiring a $6.5k+ power adder just to get them moving at a decent clip...their n/a motors are absolute garbage in comparison with the rest.
Gen III's (LS1 for chrissakes) are hitting 10s on just a cam, bolt-ons(headers, intake, exhaust), some transmission work, weight reduction, and some suspension mods. If you do the work and tuning yourself, you can do this on a budget of around 3 grand or so. Not to mention 4th Gen fbodies can be easily had for less than 9 grand or so....C5s and 04 GTOs can be found for around 13 grand if you can afford a little more.
I love the Hemi stuff, but is twice as expensive to modify as Ford and GM, and with far less options. The new 392 SRT8s really move out, though.
I bought a 4th gen V6 'Bird for less than a grand, and promptly yanked the V6, and installed an LS and T56 and wired the computer in for less than 4grand total.
This was the EXACT car I wanted as well, black 98 Firebird with no options, hardtop. I'm building an L92/LS3 headed 6.0 thats going to replace the Ls1 in the car. Hopefully going to make 600+ @ the flywheel with less than 3 grand in parts, N/A.
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Yes, the new 5.0 from Ford is sweet...just tired of the damn Fords requiring a $6.5k+ power adder just to get them moving at a decent clip...their n/a motors are absolute garbage in comparison with the rest.
Gen III's (LS1 for chrissakes) are hitting 10s on just a cam, bolt-ons(headers, intake, exhaust), some transmission work, weight reduction, and some suspension mods. If you do the work and tuning yourself, you can do this on a budget of around 3 grand or so. Not to mention 4th Gen fbodies can be easily had for less than 9 grand or so....C5s and 04 GTOs can be found for around 13 grand if you can afford a little more.
I love the Hemi stuff, but is twice as expensive to modify as Ford and GM, and with far less options. The new 392 SRT8s really move out, though.
That is more than a bit of work to be done.
The 4.6DOHC, bone stock, was a dog, for sure. The 5.0L is a different beast all-together. But I agree, nothing beats the GM small block for mod-ability, flexibility and ease of use.
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Then again, the 3800 Series II and III v6 found in the f-bodies, Monte Carlos, Buicks, Impalas, and Grand Prix are not exactly dogs themselves...the motors were extremely tough and I believe the fastest one in the world was on a FWD Impala that was running mid-8s in the quarter.
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You people have no class. All you think about is how much you can get for the least mount of money. Works great for toilet paper, not for a car.
What the hell are you talking about?....I need the best to wipe my ass thank you :D
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NHRA Pro-stock disagree's with you.
3hp/ci (500ci, 1500hp) Naturally Aspirated. Pushrod V8.
Ill put money that you cannot find anything short of Formula 1 (which isnt even in the same reality) making those numbers without a power adder.
What would be the top speed with the right gearing and a track longer than a quarter mile with a NHRA pro stock? It would be insane.
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What would be the top speed with the right gearing and a track longer than a quarter mile with a NHRA pro stock? It would be insane.
Im not sure, probably similar to some of the cars that run events like the Texas Mile with that amount of power. Many break the 200mph barrier in the Mile.
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You people have no class. All you think about is how much you can get for the least mount of money. Works great for toilet paper, not for a car.
I'm sure you're posting from your Bugatti Veyron ::)
But the rest of us peasants can appreciate a great car like the vette
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The Corvette ZR1 is a great car indeed.
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You people have no class. All you think about is how much you can get for the least mount of money. Works great for toilet paper, not for a car.
epic keeping up with the jonses and trying to pretend money stands for something when you have nothing else.
of course people want the best bang for their buck, it's not low class, it's intelligent.
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Im not sure, probably similar to some of the cars that run events like the Texas Mile with that amount of power. Many break the 200mph barrier in the Mile.
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The official pro stock record stands at 213 mph in the quarter mile. So yeah, itd be pretty crazy. But I dont know how long those motors would last over a long distance. They turn quite a bit of RPM, to the tune of around 10k I believe.
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epic keeping up with the jonses and trying to pretend money stands for something when you have nothing else.
of course people want the best bang for their buck, it's not low class, it's intelligent.
Are you trying to say that paying more than double for similar or inferior performance and a name is somehow un-intelligent? Say it aint so!
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Im not sure, probably similar to some of the cars that run events like the Texas Mile with that amount of power. Many break the 200mph barrier in the Mile.
In pro stock they break 220 in a short quarter mile with gearing for acceleration and low 6 second quarters. I was thinking more than 275 with the right gearing.
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The official pro stock record stands at 213 mph in the quarter mile. So yeah, itd be pretty crazy. But I dont know how long those motors would last over a long distance. They turn quite a bit of RPM, to the tune of around 10k I believe.
I just watched a youtube where a Pro stock hit 223 in the quarter.
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I just watched a youtube where a Pro stock hit 223 in the quarter.
In competition? Or just testing? According to their website its 213 in actual competition.
And was it NHRA pro stock, or one of the other classes?
NHRA has a 500ci limit, the others dont have such a limit. Some of the other Pro Stock classes have motors as big as 800-900ci.
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OP, I agree. It makes it even worse when they have dual exhaust and it sounds like a fucking bumble bee.
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In pro stock they break 220 in a short quarter mile with gearing for acceleration and low 6 second quarters. I was thinking more than 275 with the right gearing.
Possibly, but aero has to come into play. If the car has a huge frontal area, it will be harder. Downforce, lift, all these come into play. I don't know what they do in the wind tunnel, or what they set the goals for. But, a "theorical" top speed is different that actual top speed.
I believe what they need to do is take many of those cars and see what they run on the Salt Flats.
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Possibly, but aero has to come into play. If the car has a huge frontal area, it will be harder. Downforce, lift, all these come into play. I don't know what they do in the wind tunnel, or what they set the goals for. But, a "theorical" top speed is different that actual top speed.
I believe what they need to do is take many of those cars and see what they run on the Salt Flats.
Pro-stock now days are pretty aerodynamic. The forward facing scoops supposedly actually create a couple PSI of positive pressure (above atmospheric), kind of like a little mini-power adder.
Salt Flats would be cool, but again, those motors only run 6-ish seconds at a time. Im not sure they'd last on the flats, with the kind of RPM they turn and the crazy valve spring pressures they run.
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Pro-stock now days are pretty aerodynamic. The forward facing scoops supposedly actually create a couple PSI of positive pressure (above atmospheric), kind of like a little mini-power adder.
Salt Flats would be cool, but again, those motors only run 6-ish seconds at a time. Im not sure they'd last on the flats, with the kind of RPM they turn and the crazy valve spring pressures they run.
I think it would be very interesting. As you know, F1 their aero is set up for max downforce. High rpm engines. Tracks are set up for cornering, braking, tires, not straight speed.
So, technically, they would top out quicker than a Pro Stock car on the Salt flats, due to the aero pushing the car down, and increasing drag.
Cars like the old GT1 class cars from the late 90s (911 GT1, Mclaren F1 GTR Longtail, Mercedes CLK GTR)
would do well, with their flat bottoms, longish designs, they were built for top speed, but their wings would create drag...and then there is the gearing...
it would be a unique experience to see all these classes on The flats, with the bugs worked out with gearing, engines as you said.
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Americans should stick with making weapons instead of cars.. leave the cars to Europeans and Japanese
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Americans should stick with making weapons instead of cars.. leave the cars to Europeans and Japanese
Oh brother.... ::)
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V6's sound like shit plain and simple. A V8 with duals and flow masters sounds like a fucking bad ass machine. It's weird though, my brother has a ducati and it sounds like a dragster. Don't know why they can't make a V6 sound like that.
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V6's sound like shit plain and simple. A V8 with duals and flow masters sounds like a fucking bad ass machine. It's weird though, my brother has a ducati and it sounds like a dragster. Don't know why they can't make a V6 sound like that.
Cubic inches, RPM turned, size/length of exhaust, size/length of ports in heads and intake, size of cam etc etc etc.
Plus the American V6 models are usually based around people buying economy, so theyre not really designed for the "performance enthusiast".
A lot of the sound you hear out of a motor is simply how much air is going through the cylinder and out the exhaust. (after all, all an engine is, is an air pump, the more air stuffed in the cylinders, the more fuel needed to burn the mixture, the more power made, the more exhaust gasses pumped out) The more air flowing, generally the "better" we think it to sound.
Mufflers simply change the tone and quiet the motor down.
(Yes I realize im dumbing it down slightly, but I think its pretty accurate)
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V6's sound like shit plain and simple. A V8 with duals and flow masters sounds like a fucking bad ass machine. It's weird though, my brother has a ducati and it sounds like a dragster. Don't know why they can't make a V6 sound like that.
I agree that most other engines sound better than V6's, but some of them are not bad at all. Many American V6's sound like crap because they are just V8's with 2 cylinders knocked off. GM's best sounding V6 is their DOHC 3.4,
sounds pretty good in this Ferrari replica.....
The 1mz-fe V6 found in older Solaras and Lexus ES300's sounds pretty decent.
Peugeot V6
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When people try to open them up and make them really loud, they usually sound like crap. Having a decent, quiet exhaust system on them gives them a clean sound IMO.