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You have to understand how bodybuilding is judged in order to understand how he could win the symmetry round despite not being the most ' symmetrical '
All rounds are physiques rounds , in the ' symmetry ' round they judge all of the criteria at once and DO NOT judge symmetry as a separate and distinct entity , the same as in the ' muscularity ' round and the ' posing ' rounds
They don't judge only posing in the ' posing ' round , they judge muscular bulk , balance & proportion , density & dryness and posing and presentation ALL at once
these rounds ' symmetry ' ' muscularity ' and ' posing ' are all just names
When a bodybuilder is being judged in the ' symmetry ' round the judges are looking at his-or-her symmetry but also who is carrying the most muscular bulk , who is harder or drier , who is the most complete , who is presenting his physique the best ALL AT ONCE and then at the end of the rounds the high and low scores are tossed out
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Dorian was all size
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Big dude. All around big dude.
Dorian managed to hold in his stomach and obliques when he was being judged (for the most part), so it didn't really hurt him.
Unlike Ronnie, who proudly held his hands high overhead with huge distended gut on display WHILE he was posing.
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Skeleton structure and Balance contributes for the MOST PART to the overall Symmetry of ones physique not whos arms, chest or Quads are "Biggest" Yates in his Prime had None of the "Biggest" Anything and yet he consistently beat all the other "Bigger" arms and Quads guys again and again
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There was no such thing as symmetry or muscularity rounds. It was round 1 and round 2. Round 1 was quarter turns and round 2 was mandatory poses. Judges were judging the entire physique in all rounds.
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You have to understand how bodybuilding is judged in order to understand how he could win the symmetry round despite not being the most ' symmetrical '
All rounds are physiques rounds , in the ' symmetry ' round they judge all of the criteria at once and DO NOT judge symmetry as a separate and distinct entity , the same as in the ' muscularity ' round and the ' posing ' rounds
They don't judge only posing in the ' posing ' round , they judge muscular bulk , balance & proportion , density & dryness and posing and presentation ALL at once
these rounds ' symmetry ' ' muscularity ' and ' posing ' are all just names
When a bodybuilder is being judged in the ' symmetry ' round the judges are looking at his-or-her symmetry but also who is carrying the most muscular bulk , who is harder or drier , who is the most complete , who is presenting his physique the best ALL AT ONCE and then at the end of the rounds the high and low scores are tossed out
in other words there is no "symmetry" rounds, all are "physique" rounds.
in other words judging criteria is as subjective as it gets
in other words judge give the sandow to whoever they sympahtise more for.
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Are yuns saying that BB judging is fucked up and illogical?
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symmetry and asethetics are two entirely different things.
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in other words there is no "symmetry" rounds, all are "physique" rounds.
in other words judging criteria is as subjective as it gets
in other words judge give the sandow to whoever they sympahtise more for.
No it's not ' subjective as it gets ' , in every single pose the apply ALL of the criteria at once , standing relaxed , who is carrying the most muscle AND who has the best symmetry AND who has the better balance AND who has the better proportion AND who has the better density AND who is drier AND who is better at posing AND presentation
You have a line-up of guys all standing relaxed you can clearly see who is carrying more muscle when directly compared to the others , who is in better condition , who has better shape , who has better proportions , who better at holding the pose , who looks confident to be there and who looks just happy to get a call out , who has control over their physique and who is shaking and fighting while posing , who has high calves and who doesn't , who has a long torso and short legs and who has more of a balanced torso and legs , whose tan is perfect and whose isn't , etc , etc , etc
Now that applies to every single pose from every angle
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No it's not ' subjective as it gets ' , in every single pose the apply ALL of the criteria at once , standing relaxed , who is carrying the most muscle AND who has the best symmetry AND who has the better balance AND who has the better proportion AND who has the better density AND who is drier AND who is better at posing AND presentation
You have a line-up of guys all standing relaxed you can clearly see who is carrying more muscle when directly compared to the others , who is in better condition , who has better shape , who has better proportions , who better at holding the pose , who looks confident to be there and who looks just happy to get a call out , who has control over their physique and who is shaking and fighting while posing , who has high calves and who doesn't , who has a long torso and short legs and who has more of a balanced torso and legs , whose tan is perfect and whose isn't , etc , etc , etc
Now that applies to every single pose from every angle
Yup exactly.
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Are yuns saying that BB judging is fucked up and illogical?
It's not if you actually know what the process is , but people like you are just content to like what you like and if what you like doesn't win then the fix is in ::) most pros don't know how contests are judged. I remember reading an interview with Chris Cormier when Jay beat him at the Arnold and he was conceding that he could understand how Jay could beat him in the muscularity round , but could not grasp how and why he beat him in the ' symmetry or posing ' rounds
99% of people on this board have no clue on how contests are judged and only base their opinion on who should have won on personal preference , or what they think bodybuilding should be or represent. That's all good but not how it works
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the first round has been given lots of names,ie symetry rd.standing relaxed rd. quarter turns,while it is the round symetry is looked at the most in,it does include size,how in shape you are,muscularity etc.also symetry while partially having to do with the body being in balance,also is about the silhouette you display,the v-shape and with yates dominating lats and broad shoulders,this gave him an advantage in this round.
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No it's not ' subjective as it gets ' , in every single pose the apply ALL of the criteria at once , standing relaxed , who is carrying the most muscle AND who has the best symmetry AND who has the better balance AND who has the better proportion AND who has the better density AND who is drier AND who is better at posing AND presentation
You have a line-up of guys all standing relaxed you can clearly see who is carrying more muscle when directly compared to the others , who is in better condition , who has better shape , who has better proportions , who better at holding the pose , who looks confident to be there and who looks just happy to get a call out , who has control over their physique and who is shaking and fighting while posing , who has high calves and who doesn't , who has a long torso and short legs and who has more of a balanced torso and legs , whose tan is perfect and whose isn't , etc , etc , etc
Now that applies to every single pose from every angle
LOL, so they have all those "rounds" with "different" "names" yet all "arounds" are basically the "same" where everything is always judged "together"?
very logical I see, Im sure the schmoes that be arranged this way deliberatedly to get things very objective and fair
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beautiful man with amazing lines.
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It's not if you actually know what the process is , but people like you are just content to like what you like and if what you like doesn't win then the fix is in ::) most pros don't know how contests are judged. I remember reading an interview with Chris Cormier when Jay beat him at the Arnold and he was conceding that he could understand how Jay could beat him in the muscularity round , but could not grasp how and why he beat him in the ' symmetry or posing ' rounds
99% of people on this board have no clue on how contests are judged and only base their opinion on who should have won on personal preference , or what they think bodybuilding should be or represent. That's all good but not how it works
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Are yuns saying that BB judging is fucked up and illogical?
No....it's as right as two men kissing. ::)
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LOL, so they have all those "rounds" with "different" "names" yet all "arounds" are basically the "same" where everything is always judged "together"?
very logical I see, Im sure the schmoes that be arranged this way deliberatedly to get things very objective and fair
You can either accept how contests are judged or you can stick to your clueless assumptions and conspiracy theories and believe what you want to believe either way it doesn't change the facts but you're not interested in facts just trolling , troll-on
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It's not if you actually know what the process is , but people like you are just content to like what you like and if what you like doesn't win then the fix is in ::) most pros don't know how contests are judged. I remember reading an interview with Chris Cormier when Jay beat him at the Arnold and he was conceding that he could understand how Jay could beat him in the muscularity round , but could not grasp how and why he beat him in the ' symmetry or posing ' rounds
99% of people on this board have no clue on how contests are judged and only base their opinion on who should have won on personal preference , or what they think bodybuilding should be or represent. That's all good but not how it works
Do you think Branch warren is a deserving arnold classic champion?
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Do you think Branch warren is a deserving arnold classic champion?
Deserving according to the criteria? yup
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Deserving according to the criteria? yup
please make a thread stating that you see branch warren as a deserving champ, I'm begging you. in the G & O
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It's not if you actually know what the process is , but people like you are just content to like what you like and if what you like doesn't win then the fix is in ::) most pros don't know how contests are judged. I remember reading an interview with Chris Cormier when Jay beat him at the Arnold and he was conceding that he could understand how Jay could beat him in the muscularity round , but could not grasp how and why he beat him in the ' symmetry or posing ' rounds
99% of people on this board have no clue on how contests are judged and only base their opinion on who should have won on personal preference , or what they think bodybuilding should be or represent. That's all good but not how it works
They shouldn't be judged like that, simple as.
You can harp on about this crap as much as you like, but Dorian, Ronnie, Jay et cetera do not represent what bodybuilding should be about. This fact is underlined by huge majority opinion.
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Deserving according to the criteria? yup
You know that admitting the corruption that is Branch as the AC champ destroys your argument.
No back...
No arms...
One leg...
Watery...
Need i go on?
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You know that admitting the corruption that is Branch as the AC champ destroys your argument.
No back...
No arms...
One leg...
Watery...
Need i go on?
STFU
you don't know shit ::)
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yates was amazing at his peak but some of his olympia wins were bullshit
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judging "criteria" lol
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STFU
you don't know shit ::)
Fuck you schmoe!
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You have to understand how bodybuilding is judged in order to understand how he could win the symmetry round despite not being the most ' symmetrical '
All rounds are physiques rounds , in the ' symmetry ' round they judge all of the criteria at once and DO NOT judge symmetry as a separate and distinct entity , the same as in the ' muscularity ' round and the ' posing ' rounds
They don't judge only posing in the ' posing ' round , they judge muscular bulk , balance & proportion , density & dryness and posing and presentation ALL at once
these rounds ' symmetry ' ' muscularity ' and ' posing ' are all just names
When a bodybuilder is being judged in the ' symmetry ' round the judges are looking at his-or-her symmetry but also who is carrying the most muscular bulk , who is harder or drier , who is the most complete , who is presenting his physique the best ALL AT ONCE and then at the end of the rounds the high and low scores are tossed out
that makes no sense whatsoever.
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For someone who claims to think for themselves in religious debates, ND sure does lick the judges ass.
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just as bloated on both sides,
while perfect symmetry would obviously being completely round and smooth tho, like a sphere
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For someone who claims to think for themselves in religious debates, ND sure does lick the judges ass.
Its less that he agrees, I think, that its "The way it is".
Theres always "The way I think it should be", "The way it SHOULD be", and "The way it is".
The way it is, is the way it is. You, me, nobody is gonna change that.
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Its less that he agrees, I think, that its "The way it is".
Theres always "The way I think it should be", "The way it SHOULD be", and "The way it is".
The way it is, is the way it is. You, me, nobody is gonna change that.
But why defend it?
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But why defend it?
Dont really think he's defending it - simply explaining the way it is. It makes sense - a lot of peoples controversial judging calls make a lot more sense if simply accept the "way it is".
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Dont really think he's defending it - simply explaining the way it is. It makes sense - a lot of peoples controversial judging calls make a lot more sense if simply accept the "way it is".
The ____ is more corrupt than a Third World Presidental election?
That's the way it is...
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symmetry and asethetics are two entirely different things.
bingo! also, that is an offseason guest posing pic when Yates is approx 40 lbs over contest weight
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Dont really think he's defending it - simply explaining the way it is. It makes sense - a lot of peoples controversial judging calls make a lot more sense if simply accept the "way it is".
no and no, the point is that THERE IS NO CRITERIA. "In all rounds everything is judged together"... c'mon, you can see the bs from miles always. It was setup precisely like that so the "judges" could "rationalize" just about any decision. There is no "criteria", its all politics.
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They shouldn't be judged like that, simple as.
You can harp on about this crap as much as you like, but Dorian, Ronnie, Jay et cetera do not represent what bodybuilding should be about. This fact is underlined by huge majority opinion.
Like I said , you can bitch & moan all you like on what should represent what bodybuilding should be about it has NOTHING to do with how contests are judged
You're letting your personal feelings interfere with reality
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You know that admitting the corruption that is Branch as the AC champ destroys your argument.
No back...
No arms...
One leg...
Watery...
Need i go on?
Sure it does ::)
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no and no, the point is that THERE IS NO CRITERIA. "In all rounds everything is judged together"... c'mon, you can see the bs from miles always. It was setup precisely like that so the "judges" could "rationalize" just about any decision. There is no "criteria", its all politics.
What the hell are you talking about? Its fucking written down.
Whether or not you agree with it, well thats your business.
It isnt gonna change what is though.
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For someone who claims to think for themselves in religious debates, ND sure does lick the judges ass.
Nope because back in 1993 I was like the rest of the ignorant fan boys bitching & moaning about how Flex Wheeler was robbed and NO WAY Dorian should have won , and how he didn't represent what the bodybuilding ideal should be and then I learned how contests were judged and then I come to the conclusion that my personal preference doesn't mean jack when it comes to how contests are judged , I also really figured out just how far and above Dorian was back in 93 in relation to his competition and how wrong I was
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Its less that he agrees, I think, that its "The way it is".
Theres always "The way I think it should be", "The way it SHOULD be", and "The way it is".
The way it is, is the way it is. You, me, nobody is gonna change that.
Exactly , I comment on what transpired NOT what I personally think should transpired , or what should have or what could have
I would NEVER want to look like Dorian personally but that doesn't mean I can't see how dominant his physique was , I'm a huge Steve Reeves fan and as far as anyone whose physique I wish I could look like it would be him but it doesn't stop me from coming to the conclusion he would bury Reeves in a contest
To many people judge by what they like and what they think represents the sport should be about NOT how it works
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no and no, the point is that THERE IS NO CRITERIA. "In all rounds everything is judged together"... c'mon, you can see the bs from miles always. It was setup precisely like that so the "judges" could "rationalize" just about any decision. There is no "criteria", its all politics.
They how according to your train of thought to the pick a winner? politics? pumpster used to claim this could never make a strong argument for it either , maybe you can?
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They how according to your train of thought to the pick a winner? politics? pumpster used to claim this could never make a strong argument for it either , maybe you can?
When peoples Favorites Dont win its always "Politics" and yet notice they will not explain in just what Presumption they base those accusation's on other than hes White...Black....etc, until people understand how OVER ALL BALANCE equates to the symmetry and how the Criteria is based on the subject involved you will continue to get responses from experts like the "Chocolate muffin" lover re-posting the same old screen caps and pictures again and again saying see "look" hes better.... that's their "Argument" ND.
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that makes no sense whatsoever.
It makes PERFECT sense,.. like c'mon guys, the alternative is to measure symmetry without taking size into consideration, Of course not, you expect say a bantom weight Dexter to beat Dorian in a symmetry round, obviously not, size has to be considered, period. Common Sense.
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Symmetry
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symmetry in 1994
dorian beat shawn ray LMAO
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symmetry in 1994
dorian beat shawn ray LMAO
QFT!
dorian the keg gut yates
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symmetry in 1994
dorian beat shawn ray LMAO
Nice going on posting a bad pic. You're so believable ::)
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Nice going on posting a bad pic. You're so believable ::)
Its all he has posting the same old Dialog, he still has "Issues" with Yates never losing to his Chocolate Love Muffin torn bicep and all.