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Flex Wheeler interviewing Shawn Ray
Flex: Who else during your time do you think should have won but didn't?
Shawn: I thought you should have won in 1999, because Ronnie had lost something from 1998. I felt for you, when you took the medal off and shook your finger at the crowd. I could see it wasn't Ronnie you were trying to slight. It was the fact that you improved on flaws that Ronnie hadn't. In '98, Ronnie owned it, gyno included. He should have been marked down, but he had taken his physique to another level. In '99, he lost something. Just like you were at your best in '93. Sometimes we hit our peak and it's hard to get that back. That trophy should have been yours. Not because you were a better bodybuilder, but because you were better than Ronnie on that day.
Flex: You're noted as one of the artists of the sport for your posing skills. What spurred you to put on such stellar posing exhibitions onstage?
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Flex had bloofy synthol arms.
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Flex Wheeler interviewing Shawn Ray
Flex: Who else during your time do you think should have won but didn't?
Shawn: I thought you should have won in 1999, because Ronnie had lost something from 1998. I felt for you, when you took the medal off and shook your finger at the crowd. I could see it wasn't Ronnie you were trying to slight. It was the fact that you improved on flaws that Ronnie hadn't. In '98, Ronnie owned it, gyno included. He should have been marked down, but he had taken his physique to another level. In '99, he lost something. Just like you were at your best in '93. Sometimes we hit our peak and it's hard to get that back. That trophy should have been yours. Not because you were a better bodybuilder, but because you were better than Ronnie on that day.
Flex: You're noted as one of the artists of the sport for your posing skills. What spurred you to put on such stellar posing exhibitions onstage?
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how did an IFBB pro that gets drug tested get gyno ??? ???
lol
IFBB drug testing ::) ::)
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how did an IFBB pro that gets drug tested get gyno ??? ???
lol
IFBB drug testing ::) ::)
Maybe he's like adrain and developed massive gyno from a hardcore cocktail of ephedra, NOXplode, fish oil, and a multivitamin.
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Was this interview recent?
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In before this thread reach 87 pages!
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Was this interview recent?
2005
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how did an IFBB pro that gets drug tested get gyno ??? ???
lol
IFBB drug testing ::) ::)
I don't think that they tested for what causes gyno...
Interesting that was the first contest that I remember Ronnie having gyno...
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Adrain. Peaceful getbigger and champion who represents us all as our spokesperson.
Yes you have to be careful with OTC fitness supplements, there are some potent combinations out there.
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Ronnie was better.
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how did an IFBB pro that gets drug tested get gyno ??? ???
lol
IFBB drug testing ::) ::)
They weren't drug testing at that point
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2005
ND,
I tend to regard Hulkster as a fanatic. Every time I see him post comparisons, he shows the very worst pics of Dorian versus good pics of Coleman. That is not someone interested in getting at the truth. That's someone who is obsessed with Ronnie being "better" by any means necessary.
Just the same, I WILL say that I think what Shawn said is pretty much bullshit. Ronnie lost the gyno in '99, he was obviously bigger, still in fantastic shape and, if anything, the extra weight helped him show better cuts in some areas even if he wasn't as dry and "crisp" overall. I thought he kicked Flex's ass in '98 handily and beat him even more handily in 1999. Flex was all fired up onstage and definitely freaky with his bee-stung delts and arms, but if anything, I had him in fourth after Ronnie, Cormier and (ironically) Shawn.
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Just the same, I WILL say that I think what Shawn said is pretty much bullshit. Ronnie lost the gyno in '99, he was obviously bigger, still in fantastic shape and, if anything, the extra weight helped him show better cuts in some areas even if he wasn't as dry and "crisp" overall. I thought he kicked Flex's ass in '98 handily and beat him even more handily in 1999. Flex was all fired up onstage and definitely freaky with his bee-stung delts and arms, but if anything, I had him in fourth after Ronnie, Cormier and (ironically) Shawn.
I agree with you here.
but the first part of your post is wrong. I always post great shots of dorian from 93 and 95 olympias (dorian's self proclaimed BEST) and he STILL gets killed by an in shape ronnie.
claiming they are the worst is a sad excuse and won't make up for the fact that dorian was not nearly as good. here are some more for you: :P
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I could go on for 20 pages posting excellent dorian pics vs excellent ronnie pics but the result is always the same:
dorian loses.
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someone end the carnage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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one more:
so, nuthuggers: still think I post the worst dorian pics? lol ::)
just because your hero falls short doesn't mean the pics are bad.
they are great. his physique just was not up to par.
thats what progress is.
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ouch.
PS shawn ray is on crack.
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Dont feed the troll guys.
Just ignore him, he'll disappear again.
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Hahahahahaha it didn't take you long to meltdown and try and shift it to Dorian ;)
in case you missed it
Shawn: I thought you should have won in 1999, because Ronnie had lost something from 1998
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keep ignoring the pics Cockwave.
they won't go away.
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Shawn: I thought you should have won in 1999, because Ronnie had lost something from 1998
yes, he did lose something from 98:
his shitty quads:
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keep ignoring the pics Cockwave.
they won't go away.
Ronnie admits Dorian would beat him. Your hero admitted it. Stop talking on his behalf. It's over, Dorian wins.
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yes, he did lose something from 98:
his shitty quads:
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Hahahahahahaha continue melting please ;D
Shawn: I thought you should have won in 1999, because Ronnie had lost something from 1998
yet another pro confirming 1999 sucked compared to 1998 8)
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Dont feed the troll guys.
Just ignore him, he'll disappear again.
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Great point
Shawn: I thought you should have won in 1999, because Ronnie had lost something from 1998
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Ronnie did lose something in 99...the gyno...
But, to be honest, he lost that crispness, combined with that small waist.
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Ronnie did lose something in 99...the gyno...
But, to be honest, he lost that crispness, combined with that small waist.
Did Chad Nicholls help or hurt Ronnie?
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Did Chad Nicholls help or hurt Ronnie?
He helped him win 8 Olympias. He helped him step to the next level...a level Flex couldn't (or wouldn't, due to cheating on his diet) go to.
Although, there were gurus like Aceto and Mcneal (who helped Flex in 92 and 93), Chad was the beginning of the Super-Guru. He was working Flex, Nasser, Dillet, Ronnie and possibly NPC competitors as well, and later on worked with Melvin, and he got 5th at O and a gut for it.
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He helped him win 8 Olympias. He helped him step to the next level...a level Flex couldn't (or wouldn't, due to cheating on his diet) go to.
Although, there were gurus like Aceto and Mcneal (who helped Flex in 92 and 93), Chad was the beginning of the Super-Guru. He was working Flex, Nasser, Dillet, Ronnie and possibly NPC competitors as well, and later on worked with Melvin, and he got 5th at O and a gut for it.
That's where I was going with it. Did Chad bring in the modern day gut? Was his secret formula Insulin?
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ronnie's waist was just as small in 99 as it was in 98.
but his lats were up and his quad sweep much more dramatic.
there is a reason why Peter McGough feels that 99 was better than 98.
take that nuthuggers hahahahahahaha
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ronnie's waist was just as small in 99 as it was in 98.
but his lats were up and his quad sweep much more dramatic.
there is a reason why Peter McGough feels that 99 was better than 98.
Great Pic Hulkster. Proves that prime Ronnie would fucking destroy Yates and everyone else.
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That's where I was going with it. Did Chad bring in the modern day gut? Was his secret formula Insulin?
I have no idea, but there was talk about "Plasma Expanders"...thus leading to the confrontation between Chad and Kevin Levrone...
From the talk around here, Insulin has been in use well before Chad's Lads...Tim Belknap who was diabetic used it, and if you see his look, it looks very similar to today---muscle "blown up from within", no crisp seperation.
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ronnie's waist was just as small in 99 as it was in 98.
but his lats were up and his quad sweep much more dramatic.
there is a reason why Peter McGough feels 01 was his best
take that nuthuggers hahahahahahaha
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Shawn: I thought you should have won in 1999, because Ronnie had lost something from 1998
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I have no idea, but there was talk about "Plasma Expanders"...thus leading to the confrontation between Chad and Kevin Levrone...
From the talk around here, Insulin has been in use well before Chad's Lads...Tim Belknap who was diabetic used it, and if you see his look, it looks very similar to today---muscle "blown up from within", no crisp seperation.
Don't forget Milos. That was a clusterfuck in the old Muscle Mayhem days.
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I could go on for 20 pages posting excellent dorian pics vs excellent ronnie pics but the result is always the same:
dorian loses.
and you are so proud of that?
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humiliating dumb nuthuggers has always been easy :P
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Don't forget Milos. That was a clusterfuck in the old Muscle Mayhem days.
True, and then Milos became a guru who got some good results from Silvio, an ok Hide,
but, he seemingly was more wreckless than Chad.
To me, I confess ignorance, it's all a black art to me....don't what they were using, what competitors were using.
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humiliating dumb nuthuggers has always been easy :P
LMFAO
Shawn: I thought you should have won in 1999, because Ronnie had lost something from 1998
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True, and then Milos became a guru who got some good results from Silvio, an ok Hide,
but, he seemingly was more wreckless than Chad.
To me, I confess ignorance, it's all a black art to me....don't what they were using, what competitors were using.
Didn't at least two of his pupils die recently? (Wolf?)
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Flex/Chris then Ronnie. Ron's structure sucks.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427863.0;attach=472148;image)
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Flex/Chris then Ronnie. Ron's structure sucks.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427863.0;attach=472148;image)
Ronnie is bigger then both, plus he doesn't sacrifice enough aesthetics to warrant a deduction compared to Flex or Chris. All three beat Dorians best though :P
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Ronnie is bigger then both, plus he doesn't sacrifice enough aesthetics to warrant a deduction compared to Flex or Chris. All three beat Dorians best though :P
He looks good here tbh although i'm normally not a fan, Flex looks a bit unbalanced prob too much oil.
Chris looks very good.
Yes Dorian looked like poo poo and he would finish outside the top five here with competent judging.
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Ronnie admits Dorian would beat him. Your hero admitted it. Stop talking on his behalf. It's over, Dorian wins.
Dipshit,
It was Dorian who admitted that Ronnie would have won. Get a fucking life lol. Maybe SMM will interject. At least he is entertaining and intelligent. You guys are boring as fuk.
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Dipshit,
It was Dorian who admitted that Ronnie would have won. Get a fucking life lol. Maybe SMM will interject. At least he is entertaining and intelligent. You guys are boring as fuk.
SMM just got arrested at an internet cafe in Berlin. He is done.
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ND,
You are getting tiresome. Are you an IFBB judge. If no, why not. You act like you know verbatim the rules of bodybuilding. I think you should apply. Dorian obviously was the most symmetrical bodybuilder ever....he got perfect symmetry scores every year...even with a fuked arm lol. Come on bro, I would love to see you judge a show. ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Dipshit,
It was Dorian who admitted that Ronnie would have won. Get a fucking life lol. Maybe SMM will interject. At least he is entertaining and intelligent. You guys are boring as fuk.
Actually he wasn't he said ' I guess I DON'T KNOW '
Ronnie on the other hand said Dorian would beat him on three separate occasions 8)
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SMM just got arrested at an internet cafe in Berlin. He is done.
Dude,
Are you serious lol. Well, I for one enjoyed his threads...even though he was a Dorian fan. Dude knew the fight game and was intelligent. May have been a pedophile, but I don't know about that stuff. ND is boring as fuk. He talks out of his ass like he is an expert. He sounds more like a disillusioned, schizophrenic locked up in some asylum.
Nico
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Dude,
Are you serious lol. Well, I for one enjoyed his threads...even though he was a Dorian fan. Dude knew the fight game and was intelligent. May have been a pedophile, but I don't know about that stuff. ND is boring as fuk. He talks out of his ass like he is an expert. He sounds more like a disillusioned, schizophrenic locked up in some asylum.
Nico
? Outed.
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Actually he wasn't he said ' I guess I DON'T KNOW '
Ronnie on the other hand said Dorian would beat him on three separate occasions 8)
Ronnie is humble. Dorian was arrogant. Dorian got his ass handed to him by Haney when he was in the second best condition of his life. Ronnie would smoke any version of Dorian except 1993. That year would be interesting and a toss up. However, if the judging were fair Ronnie should and would win, but nobody can call a bodybuilding show except the judges ;D
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? Outed.
Outed for what. He was always respectful to me. I could give a rats ass if he lied and said he was a Sigma member and was 6'5" and ripped. Please, he was at least entertaining. I am just making the point that there are a lot of dumb, boring posters on Getbig. SMM may be controversial, but I think a lot of it was for effect. Do I agree with him all the time. Absolutely not. However, the posters who push the envelope a little are remembered as the best posters. Just saying.
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Outed for what. He was always respectful to me. I could give a rats ass if he lied and said he was a Sigma member and was 6'5" and ripped. Please, he was at least entertaining. I am just making the point that there are a lot of dumb, boring posters on Getbig. SMM may be controversial, but I think a lot of it was for effect. Do I agree with him all the time. Absolutely not. However, the posters who push the envelope a little are remembered as the best posters. Just saying.
;D
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Ronnie is humble. Dorian was arrogant. Dorian got his ass handed to him by Haney when he was in the second best condition of his life. Ronnie would smoke any version of Dorian except 1993. That year would be interesting and a toss up. However, if the judging were fair Ronnie should and would win, but nobody can call a bodybuilding show except the judges ;D
It's not arrogance if you can back it up ;)
How does one get their asses handed to them when Dorian beat Haney in the muscularity round? ??? and his second best condition of his life? ??? 1992 was much better , 1993 is infinitely better , 1995 is considered his best , in the black & white pics he is even better
1991 he was 239lbs not close to his best
Ronnie couldn't touch a prime Yates he knows it , only his fans don't 8)
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Ronnie and humble dont go together.
Did you even see him later in his career? Dude threw fits.
Dorian on the other hand, never threw a fit about his placing. He just came back better the next contest.
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Ronnie and humble dont go together.
Did you even see him later in his career? Dude threw fits.
Dorian on the other hand, never threw a fit about his placing. He just came back better then next contest.
Said Jay needed to be reborn with better genetics to ever think he could beat him , and when he said said being white helped him :-X said it was politics that Gunther beat him and he was a victim of the system :-X
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Didn't at least two of his pupils die recently? (Wolf?)
Luke Wood...
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Said Jay needed to be reborn with better genetics to ever think he could beat him , and when he said said being white helped him :-X said it was politics that Gunther beat him and he was a victim of the system :-X
Which reminds me ;D GNC Gunther beats Dorian. What now Narc? ;D
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Pfff.. Flex was lucky to be second in 99 Cormier was right on him. Shawn will never admit that.
Ronnie was so far ahead of Flex in 99. Even fucking Dorian said that ND on the Battle for the O video, they ask him who he thinks will win and he said if he was a betting man he'd take all his money and put it on Ronnie.
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It's not arrogance if you can back it up ;)
How does one get their asses handed to them when Dorian beat Haney in the muscularity round? ??? and his second best condition of his life? ??? 1992 was much better , 1993 is infinitely better , 1995 is considered his best , in the black & white pics he is even better
1991 he was 239lbs not close to his best
Ronnie couldn't touch a prime Yates he knows it , only his fans don't 8)
Why do you constantly bring up the black and white pics, that wasn't even a contest...The only thing that Dorian excelled at, which is conditioning, isn't even evident in those pictures.
There are numerous shots of bodybuilders out of contest that are far more impressive. 1993 is Dorians best and even then he had below average biceps, blocky waist, no real detail in his upper legs and lacks fullness and flow. Flex was far better in that show and should have won the O.
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Hulkster - posts shots from onstage during the poses at each competitors best.
ND - posts blurry screen caps from random moments and copy & paste quotes then says quotes don't count if they don't come from judges.
ND may win the arguments and mouth running and pretending to see things that don't exist, but the pictures show it all.
Interestingly I saw something on discovery the other day, apparently when people conform they will actually begin to see things that aren't there, this explains a lot about ND.
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Why do you constantly bring up the black and white pics, that wasn't even a contest...The only thing that Dorian excelled at, which is conditioning, isn't even evident in those pictures.
There are numerous shots of bodybuilders out of contest that are far more impressive. 1993 is Dorians best and even then he had below average biceps, blocky waist, no real detail in his upper legs and lacks fullness and flow. Flex was far better in that show and should have won the O.
You're calling someone "far better" who was on the losing end of what was considerd the most dominant win in Mr. O history. I don't think you're on the mark here.
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You're calling someone "far better" who was on the losing end of what was considerd the most dominant win in Mr. O history. I don't think you're on the mark here.
Sorry, i don't place a lot of value on what a bunch of fat homo's who have never trained think. Dorian's friend Peter is a perfect example of said phenomenon.
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Sorry, i don't place a lot of value on what a bunch of fat homo's who have never trained think. Dorian's friend Peter is a perfect example of said phenomenon.
What does training have to do with being a judge?
Pretty much every single article at that time proclaimed that Olympia a landslide. I'd put a ton more value in that than someone who's looked at a few pictures 18 years later.
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What does training have to do with being a judge?
Pretty much every single article at that time proclaimed that Olympia a landslide. I'd put a ton more value in that than someone who's looked at a few pictures 18 years later.
The "sport" was getting pushed in a new direction by those at the top.
No i'm not naturally trustfull of somebody who has no first hand experiance of training in regards to their opinions on physiques, especially given the rampant corruption that is through the roof in bodybuilding.
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The "sport" was getting pushed in a new direction by those at the top.
No i'm not naturally trustfull of somebody who has no first hand experiance of training in regards to their opinions on physiques, especially given the rampant corruption that is through the roof in bodybuilding.
Yates won because hit fit the criteria that had been in place for years. They hadn't seen anything like Yates 93 until that day. It wasn't only the judges anyway - it was the writers, fans, competitors, etc. It was an absolute massacre - not even close.
But, back to the training, how don't know why on earth someone would need to lift weights to judge others physiques. The training required to get to that level is not judged, only the finished product.
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Yates won because hit fit the criteria that had been in place for years. They hadn't seen anything like Yates 93 until that day. It wasn't only the judges anyway - it was the writers, fans, competitors, etc. It was an absolute massacre - not even close.
But, back to the training, how don't know why on earth someone would need to lift weights to judge others physiques. The training required to get to that level is not judged, only the finished product.
I just find it odd for someones whole life and interests to be based around something they don't practice to any degree themselves. It's indicative of a lot if you think about it, we all know the types that populate the bodybuilding world.
Yates was the first person to push the drugs usage to new extremes and the physique in that direction, it was new and seen as something different at the time in the eyes of some, Yates' physique is a dime a dozen in bodybuilding now. Regardless, judging on mainstream consensus, classic beliefs on proportions and shape and the like, i doubt anybody would celebrate the type of physique that Dorian developed.
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I just find it odd for someones whole life and interests to be based around something they don't practice to any degree themselves. It's indicative of a lot if you think about it, we all know the types that populate the bodybuilding world.
Yates was the first person to push the drugs usage to new extremes and the physique in that direction, it was new and seen as something different at the time in the eyes of some, Yates' physique is a dime a dozen in bodybuilding now. Regardless, judging on mainstream consensus, classic beliefs on proportions and shape and the like, i doubt anybody would celebrate the type of physique that Dorian developed.
That's incredibly incorrect. If that was the case, you'd have countless competitors that might have beaten him at the 93 Olympia, when in actuality, it's only one - Coleman.
You're drastically underestimating what he brought to the stage that year.
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Hulkster - posts shots from onstage during the poses at each competitors best.
ND - posts blurry screen caps from random moments and copy & paste quotes then says quotes don't count if they don't come from judges.
exactly.
but the nuthuggers are just too damn stupid to admit it.
yet more ronnie annhilation of yates, both on stage at their bests:
well, actually this isn't ronnie's best. its from a 2000 GP show.
but ronnie can be off and still crush yates. he was that much better.
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its amazing how much better ronnie's back was than dorian's.
just look at the difference in lat thickness, in taper, the arms, everything. wow.
but then again, Flex magazine did rank his back as the best of all time. behind a very distant long country mile back dorian yates :-*
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Didn't Dorian beat all of these negros time and time again, ronnie included? Whats the problem? Whitey is superior.
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its amazing how much better ronnie's back was than dorian's.
just look at the difference in lat thickness, in taper, the arms, everything. wow.
but then again, Flex magazine did rank his back as the best of all time. behind a very distant long country mile back dorian yates :-*
Actually Flex amended that 8)
And Dorian makes Ronnie look soft and bloated no wonder why Ronnie said on three separate occasions that Dorian would beat him ;)
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In our March 2008 issue we ranked Dorian Yates' back as the second best ... but we hedged our bet with the assertion that a strong argument can be made for Yates as number one.
Sorry Ronnie here is the strong argument 8)
Case closed
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End of thread. ;D
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End of thread. ;D
Beginning of the thread ;) which Hulkster tried to divert to Dorian ;D because he didn't like yet another pro saying 1999 sucked him comparison to 1998 8)
Flex: Who else during your time do you think should have won but didn't?
Shawn: I thought you should have won in 1999, because Ronnie had lost something from 1998. I felt for you, when you took the medal off and shook your finger at the crowd. I could see it wasn't Ronnie you were trying to slight. It was the fact that you improved on flaws that Ronnie hadn't. In '98, Ronnie owned it, gyno included. He should have been marked down, but he had taken his physique to another level. In '99, he lost something. Just like you were at your best in '93. Sometimes we hit our peak and it's hard to get that back. That trophy should have been yours. Not because you were a better bodybuilder, but because you were better than Ronnie on that day.
Flex: You're noted as one of the artists of the sport for your posing skills. What spurred you to put on such stellar posing exhibitions onstage?
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i dont think is was so much that ronnie looked better then flex that day, i just think ronnie was so freaky big and hard that he stole the show. lee lebrada looked as good as anyone on stage shape wise but got beat by haney cause haney presented just as good a package but was more heavily muscled. guess its what the judges are lookin for at that time
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ronnie 99 could beat anyone.
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ronnie 99 could beat anyone.
Fuck off queer.
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ronnie 99 could beat anyone.
X2 man. Just take a second and look at how cartoonish Ronnie looks. Then look at his wasp like waist. The best showing of all-time.