Flex Wheeler interviewing Shawn Ray - for Hulkster

[nicorulez]

? Outed.

Outed for what. He was always respectful to me. I could give a rats ass if he lied and said he was a Sigma member and was 6'5" and ripped. Please, he was at least entertaining. I am just making the point that there are a lot of dumb, boring posters on Getbig. SMM may be controversial, but I think a lot of it was for effect. Do I agree with him all the time. Absolutely not. However, the posters who push the envelope a little are remembered as the best posters. Just saying.

[King Shizzo]

Outed for what. He was always respectful to me. I could give a rats ass if he lied and said he was a Sigma member and was 6'5" and ripped. Please, he was at least entertaining. I am just making the point that there are a lot of dumb, boring posters on Getbig. SMM may be controversial, but I think a lot of it was for effect. Do I agree with him all the time. Absolutely not. However, the posters who push the envelope a little are remembered as the best posters. Just saying.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie is humble. Dorian was arrogant. Dorian got his ass handed to him by Haney when he was in the second best condition of his life. Ronnie would smoke any version of Dorian except 1993. That year would be interesting and a toss up. However, if the judging were fair Ronnie should and would win, but nobody can call a bodybuilding show except the judges  

It's not arrogance if you can back it up 


How does one get their asses handed to them when Dorian beat Haney in the muscularity round?  and his second best condition of his life?  1992 was much better , 1993 is infinitely better , 1995 is considered his best , in the black & white pics he is even better

1991 he was 239lbs not close to his best

Ronnie couldn't touch a prime Yates he knows it , only his fans don't 

[Shockwave]

Ronnie and humble dont go together.
Did you even see him later in his career? Dude threw fits.

Dorian on the other hand, never threw a fit about his placing. He just came back better the next contest.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie and humble dont go together.
Did you even see him later in his career? Dude threw fits.

Dorian on the other hand, never threw a fit about his placing. He just came back better then next contest.

Said Jay needed to be reborn with better genetics to ever think he could beat him , and when he said said being white helped him  said it was politics that Gunther beat him and he was a victim of the system 

[Parker]

Didn't at least two of his pupils die recently? (Wolf?)

Luke Wood...

[King Shizzo]

Said Jay needed to be reborn with better genetics to ever think he could beat him , and when he said said being white helped him  said it was politics that Gunther beat him and he was a victim of the system 

Which reminds me    GNC Gunther beats Dorian. What now Narc? 

[The Grim Lifter]

Pfff.. Flex was lucky to be second in 99 Cormier was right on him. Shawn will never admit that.

Ronnie was so far ahead of Flex in 99. Even fucking Dorian said that ND on the Battle for the O video, they ask him who he thinks will win and he said if he was a betting man he'd take all his money and put it on Ronnie.

[Jaime]

It's not arrogance if you can back it up 


How does one get their asses handed to them when Dorian beat Haney in the muscularity round?  and his second best condition of his life?  1992 was much better , 1993 is infinitely better , 1995 is considered his best , in the black & white pics he is even better

1991 he was 239lbs not close to his best

Ronnie couldn't touch a prime Yates he knows it , only his fans don't 

Why do you constantly bring up the black and white pics, that wasn't even a contest...The only thing that Dorian excelled at, which is conditioning, isn't even evident in those pictures.

There are numerous shots of bodybuilders out of contest that are far more impressive. 1993 is Dorians best and even then he had below average biceps, blocky waist, no real detail in his upper legs and lacks fullness and flow. Flex was far better in that show and should have won the O.

[Nirvana]

Hulkster - posts shots from onstage during the poses at each competitors best.

ND - posts blurry screen caps from random moments and copy & paste quotes then says quotes don't count if they don't come from judges.


ND may win the arguments and mouth running and pretending to see things that don't exist, but the pictures show it all. 



Interestingly I saw something on discovery the other day, apparently when people conform they will actually begin to see things that aren't there, this explains a lot about ND.

[Grape Ape]

Why do you constantly bring up the black and white pics, that wasn't even a contest...The only thing that Dorian excelled at, which is conditioning, isn't even evident in those pictures.

There are numerous shots of bodybuilders out of contest that are far more impressive. 1993 is Dorians best and even then he had below average biceps, blocky waist, no real detail in his upper legs and lacks fullness and flow. Flex was far better in that show and should have won the O.

You're calling someone "far better" who was on the losing end of what was considerd the most dominant win in Mr. O history.   I don't think you're on the mark here.

[Jaime]

You're calling someone "far better" who was on the losing end of what was considerd the most dominant win in Mr. O history.   I don't think you're on the mark here.

Sorry, i don't place a lot of value on what a bunch of fat homo's who have never trained think. Dorian's friend Peter is a perfect example of said phenomenon.

[Grape Ape]

Sorry, i don't place a lot of value on what a bunch of fat homo's who have never trained think. Dorian's friend Peter is a perfect example of said phenomenon.

What does training have to do with being a judge?

Pretty much every single article at that time proclaimed that Olympia a landslide.   I'd put a ton more value in that than someone who's looked at a few pictures 18 years later.

[Jaime]

What does training have to do with being a judge?

Pretty much every single article at that time proclaimed that Olympia a landslide.   I'd put a ton more value in that than someone who's looked at a few pictures 18 years later.

The "sport" was getting pushed in a new direction by those at the top.

No i'm not naturally trustfull of somebody who has no first hand experiance of training in regards to their opinions on physiques, especially given the rampant corruption that is through the roof in bodybuilding.

[Grape Ape]

The "sport" was getting pushed in a new direction by those at the top.

No i'm not naturally trustfull of somebody who has no first hand experiance of training in regards to their opinions on physiques, especially given the rampant corruption that is through the roof in bodybuilding.

Yates won because hit fit the criteria that had been in place for years.  They hadn't seen anything like Yates 93 until that day.  It wasn't only the judges anyway - it was the writers, fans, competitors, etc.   It was an absolute massacre - not even close.

But, back to the training, how don't know why on earth someone would need to lift weights to judge others physiques.  The training required to get to that level is not judged, only the finished product.

[Jaime]

Yates won because hit fit the criteria that had been in place for years.  They hadn't seen anything like Yates 93 until that day.  It wasn't only the judges anyway - it was the writers, fans, competitors, etc.   It was an absolute massacre - not even close.

But, back to the training, how don't know why on earth someone would need to lift weights to judge others physiques.  The training required to get to that level is not judged, only the finished product.

I just find it odd for someones whole life and interests to be based around something they don't practice to any degree themselves. It's indicative of a lot if you think about it, we all know the types that populate the bodybuilding world.

Yates was the first person to push the drugs usage to new extremes and the physique in that direction, it was new and seen as something different at the time in the eyes of some, Yates' physique is a dime a dozen in bodybuilding now. Regardless, judging on mainstream consensus, classic beliefs on proportions and shape and the like, i doubt anybody would celebrate the type of physique that Dorian developed.

[Grape Ape]

I just find it odd for someones whole life and interests to be based around something they don't practice to any degree themselves. It's indicative of a lot if you think about it, we all know the types that populate the bodybuilding world.

Yates was the first person to push the drugs usage to new extremes and the physique in that direction, it was new and seen as something different at the time in the eyes of some, Yates' physique is a dime a dozen in bodybuilding now. Regardless, judging on mainstream consensus, classic beliefs on proportions and shape and the like, i doubt anybody would celebrate the type of physique that Dorian developed.

That's incredibly incorrect.    If that was the case, you'd have countless competitors that might have beaten him at the 93 Olympia, when in actuality, it's only one - Coleman.

You're drastically underestimating what he brought to the stage that year.

[Hulkster]

Hulkster - posts shots from onstage during the poses at each competitors best.

ND - posts blurry screen caps from random moments and copy & paste quotes then says quotes don't count if they don't come from judges.

exactly.

but the nuthuggers are just too damn stupid to admit it.

yet more ronnie annhilation of yates, both on stage at their bests:

well, actually this isn't ronnie's best. its from a 2000 GP show.

but ronnie can be off and still crush yates. he was that much better.

[Hulkster]

^

its amazing how much better ronnie's back was than dorian's.

just look at the difference in lat thickness, in taper, the arms, everything. wow.
but then again, Flex magazine did rank his back as the best of all time. behind a very distant long country mile back dorian yates

[canyon]

Didn't Dorian beat all of these negros time and time again, ronnie included? Whats the problem? Whitey is superior.

[NarcissisticDeity]

^

its amazing how much better ronnie's back was than dorian's.

just look at the difference in lat thickness, in taper, the arms, everything. wow.
but then again, Flex magazine did rank his back as the best of all time. behind a very distant long country mile back dorian yates

Actually Flex amended that 

And Dorian makes Ronnie look soft and bloated no wonder why Ronnie said on three separate occasions that Dorian would beat him 

[NarcissisticDeity]

In our March 2008 issue we ranked Dorian Yates' back as the second best ... but we hedged our bet with the assertion that a strong argument can be made for Yates as number one.

Sorry Ronnie here is the strong argument 


Case closed

[King Shizzo]

End of thread. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

End of thread. 

Beginning of the thread  which Hulkster tried to divert to Dorian  because he didn't like yet another pro saying 1999 sucked him comparison to 1998 

Flex: Who else during your time do you think should have won but didn't?

            Shawn: I thought you should have won in 1999, because Ronnie had lost something from 1998. I felt for you, when you took the medal off and shook your finger at the crowd. I could see it wasn't Ronnie you were trying to slight. It was the fact that you improved on flaws that Ronnie hadn't. In '98, Ronnie owned it, gyno included. He should have been marked down, but he had taken his physique to another level. In '99, he lost something. Just like you were at your best in '93. Sometimes we hit our peak and it's hard to get that back. That trophy should have been yours. Not because you were a better bodybuilder, but because you were better than Ronnie on that day.

            Flex: You're noted as one of the artists of the sport for your posing skills. What spurred you to put on such stellar posing exhibitions onstage?

[gracie bjj]

i dont think is was so much that ronnie looked better then flex that day, i just think ronnie was so freaky big and hard that he stole the show. lee lebrada looked as good as anyone on stage shape wise but got beat by haney cause haney presented just as good a package but was more heavily muscled. guess its what the judges are lookin for at that time