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http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/walker-obama-romney-polls/2012/06/06/id/441373 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/walker-obama-romney-polls/2012/06/06/id/441373)
While Scott Walker ultimately prevailed in his race against Democratic nominee Tom Barrett, securing 53 percent of the vote to Barrett’s 46 percent, exit poll data indicated that Wisconsin voters are inclined to re-elect President Barack Obama by a similar margin, with 51 percent of respondents voicing support for a second Obama term, and only 44 percent expressing a desire to oust the president.
Eighteen percent of Walker’s voters said they intended to vote for President Obama over Republican nominee Mitt Romney in the fall, according to the National Journal.
Although Wisconsin is considered a bona-fide swing state, the last Republican presidential candidate to win the state was President Ronald Reagan in his 1984 re-election landslide. Democrats have carried the state in each of the last six presidential elections.
In spite of Republicans’ setbacks in Wisconsin at the presidential level, Walker secured a strong victory from voters who said that officeholders should only be recalled due to official misconduct.
The contours of the Wisconsin recall electorate closely mirrored turnout patterns in 2010, with Walker successfully reassembling the coalition that powered him to victory two years ago. The governor secured 59 percent of the male vote, slightly higher than the 57 percent of males he won in 2010. He also won 57 percent of white voters, a slight improvement on his performance two years ago when he carried 55 percent of the white vote.
Party turnout was about evenly matched, with Republicans outnumbering Democrats by a single point. And while each candidate carried the lion’s share of their respective partisans — fewer than 10 percent of either Republicans or Democrats crossed party lines in the recall election —Walker’s victory was secured with the help of independent voters, who preferred the Republican by nine percentage points.
Because the recall was triggered by Walker’s push to limit the collective bargaining rights of public employee unions, many observers expected union voters to play an operative role in the outcome of Tuesday’s election. While Walker managed to win only 38 percent of voters from union households, his 61 percent showing among non-union households was more than enough to provide a comfortable margin of victory.
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Its totally fos.
The same exit polls had Walker/Barrett tied and Barrett won by 7.
The race is tied in Wisconsin. Similarly, obama won by 14 in 2008 in Wisconsin. Thus he is down by 7, even you believe these false exit polls.
A massive landslide and tsunami is coming and all of the communists are going down and sent away.
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Its totally fos.
The same exit polls had Walker/Barrett tied and Barrett won by 7.
The race is tied in Wisconsin. Similarly, obama won by 14 in 2008 in Wisconsin. Thus he is down by 7, even you believe these false exit polls.
A massive landslide and tsunami is coming and all of the communists are going down and sent away.
You are tripping, they are what they are and from newsmax of all places.
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You are tripping, they are what they are and from newsmax of all places.
No i am not - do you not understand the fact that the exit poll was wrong? The only poll that mattered was the vote tally.
The SAME FUCKING exit poll had the race tied and walker won by 7. Thus, a claim that Obama is up by 7 is ridiculous.
But keep grasping at anything for the messiah, he is going down hard.
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You are tripping, they are what they are and from newsmax of all places.
It's clear. 18% of voters like Walker for their state needs and Obama for their national needs.
Probably the same 18% that voted for Bush in 2004 but stayed home in 2008 for mccain ;)
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It's clear. 18% of voters like Walker for their state needs and Obama for their national needs.
Probably the same 18% that voted for Bush in 2004 but stayed home in 2008 for mccain ;)
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The exit poll was proven false by the vote tally you moron!
But keep beliving your bullshit . you stupid idiots who voted for obama and plan on doing so again are in for such a rude awakening its not funny.
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No i am not - do you not understand the fact that the exit poll was wrong? The only poll that mattered was the vote tally.
The SAME FUCKING exit poll had the race tied and walker won by 7. Thus, a claim that Obama is up by 7 is ridiculous.
But keep grasping at anything for the messiah, he is going down hard.
The only reason the left kept expecting a close race is that the media kept parrotting the PPP poll that had Walker up by just 3. But, there was a WeAskAmerica poll that had him up by 12, not once but twice.
The RCP average had Walker up by 6.7; Walker won by 7, as I called on another thread.
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The only reason the left kept expecting a close race is that the media kept parrotting the PPP poll that had Walker up by just 3. But, there was a WeAskAmerica poll that had him up by 12, not once but twice.
The RCP average had Walker up by 6.7; Walker won by 7, as I called on another thread.
I got to love drones like 180 and other parroting demonstably false bullshit like this. 180 has become such a joke its not funny. He has totally allowed himself to be made human toilet paper by obama and he does not even see it.
AGAIN - THE EXIT POLL WAS OFF BY 7 POINTS IN FAVOR OF WALKER!
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The exit poll was proven false by the vote tally you moron!
But keep beliving your bullshit . you stupid idiots who voted for obama and plan on doing so again are in for such a rude awakening its not funny.
YOU are making the assumption that 100% of Walker voters also support Romney.
Helluva big assumption - and proven quite untrue by newsmax here ;)
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YOU are making the assumption that 100% of Walker voters also support Romney.
Helluva big assumption - and proven quite untrue by newsmax here ;)
Whatever.
THE VOTE TALLY PROVED THE EXIT POLL WRONG BY 7 POINTS. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?
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YOU are making the assumption that 100% of Walker voters also support Romney.
Helluva big assumption - and proven quite untrue by newsmax here ;)
It's a far smaller assumption that 100% of Walker voters won't be out pounding the pavement on behalf of the Obama campaign...
Voting for Walker doesn't automatically indicate support for Romney, but it virtually guarantees a lack of support for Obama.
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No i am not - do you not understand the fact that the exit poll was wrong? The only poll that mattered was the vote tally.
The SAME FUCKING exit poll had the race tied and walker won by 7. Thus, a claim that Obama is up by 7 is ridiculous.
But keep grasping at anything for the messiah, he is going down hard.
How is it wrong?
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hahahahahaha shut the fuck up
Had that same poll said obama was losing by 50, your ass would have started a thread on that shit so fast... so get your selective vetting ass out of here with that weak shit
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[quote author=doison link=topic=427918.msg6145093#msg6145093 date=1339005275
It's a far smaller assumption that 100% of Walker voters won't be out pounding the pavement on behalf of the Obama campaign..
Voting for Walker doesn't automatically indicate support for Romney, but it virtually guarantees a lack of support for Obama.
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How can you make that assumption?
What if you like walker's anti-union policy, ,but you support bigger things about the obama national plan?
33 is dismissing the numbers without explainin why - making that assumption that nobody who voted walker will vote obama. Not true.
Obama destroyed mccain in wisconsin by 2008. And remember - obama destroyed mccain in obama in FL, but Rubio destroyed crist and meeks in FL. Many of the SAME PEOPLE who voted obama also voted rubio, and will vote obama again.
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How is it wrong?
Dear God.
READ THIS SLOWLY
THE EXIT POLL HAD WALKER AND BARRETT TIED
WALKER WON BY 7
THUS - THE EXIT POLL WAS WRONG
DO YOU STILL NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?
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hahahahahaha shut the fuck up
Had that same poll said obama was losing by 50, your ass would have started a thread on that shit so fast... so get your selective vetting ass out of here with that weak shit
LOL - you, like the rest of the 95ers, enviro-marxists, communists, gays, public sector goons, white guilt racked pussies, etc KEEP LYING TO YOURSELVES TO AVOID ACCEPTING REALITY.
Gaybama is going to get landslided.
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hahahahahaha shut the fuck up
Had that same poll said obama was losing by 50, your ass would have started a thread on that shit so fast... so get your selective vetting ass out of here with that weak shit
Do you not realize how incompetent you are?
The exit poll was wrong by 7 points you stupid FUCK!
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LOL - you, like the rest of the 95ers, enviro-marxists, communists, gays, public sector goons, white guilt racked pussies, etc KEEP LYING TO YOURSELVES TO AVOID ACCEPTING REALITY.
Gaybama is going to get landslided.
I didnt say shit about what it is. So what are you over there melting about. You can keep saying this bullshit about me, as you have the worst memory in history. But dude it is well known that if a retard deaf mute conducted a poll that bashed Obama, you would support it.. hell you would tout it as fact... thats what im talking about.. not shit about this poll... thats all im sayin.. relax suzy
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Do you not realize how incompetent you are?
The exit poll was wrong by 7 points you stupid FUCK!
You are fully in melt mode arent you, you little punk ass bitch. Alls im sayin is, if a high monkey did a poll that was anti Obama, your dumb ass would refer to it as fact. But this poll is pro Obama, and then you want to have data integrity
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Dear God.
READ THIS SLOWLY
THE EXIT POLL HAD WALKER AND BARRETT TIED
WALKER WON BY 7
THUS - THE EXIT POLL WAS WRONG
DO YOU STILL NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?
Faulty logic. You are comparing 2 different things.
Either the pollsters are lying or they are not.
Try to live in reality 333333
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I didnt say shit about what it is. So what are you over there melting about. You can keep saying this bullshit about me, as you have the worst memory in history. But dude it is well known that if a retard deaf mute conducted a poll that bashed Obama, you would support it.. hell you would tout it as fact... thats what im talking about.. not shit about this poll... thats all im sayin.. relax suzy
Lets do this again, i know you are dense beyond words.
1. The same Exit Poll Ozmo and 240 are jizzing over had walker and barrett tied.
2. The actual vote tally ended up with Walker by seven.
3. Thus - the exit poll is worthless.
ARE YOU STILL NOT GRASPING THIS?
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Lets do this again, i know you are dense beyond words.
1. The same Exit Poll Ozmo and 240 are jizzing over had walker and barrett tied.
2. The actual vote tally ended up with Walker by seven.
3. Thus - the exit poll is worthless.
ARE YOU STILL NOT GRASPING THIS?
Im not even talking about this... alls im saying is.. if this poll would have had Obama behind by 30 pts... you would have no problem with the poll...
Correct?
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Faulty logic. You are comparing 2 different things.
Either the pollsters are lying or they are not.
Try to live in reality 333333
LOL. Jesus Christ are you people from California stupid as fuck.
If the same poll you are relying on was off by 7 in the governor race, its fair to assume that it is worthless on the other predictions as well.
But that it fine by me - the longer you clowns stay in the dark about the electoral tsunami approaching the more amusing it will be the day after obama is sent home in disgrace.
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I don't think the exit polls were entirely accurate, but Obama is and always was going to win Wisconsin. Every Democrat since Reagan has won it. It's not a battleground state.
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Im not even talking about this... alls im saying is.. if this poll would have had Obama behind by 30 pts... you would have no problem with the poll...
Correct?
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I know how to read polls and when they are wortheless or not. You have to look at the internals , the weighting, the turnout models, etc.
But thats fine - keep your head in the sand.
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I don't think the exit polls were entirely accurate, but Obama is and always was going to win Wisconsin. Every Democrat since Reagan has won it. It's not a battleground state.
He won by 14 in 2008. The fact that even if you assume this exit poll is remotely accurate, which it is not, he is up by 7, still shows a huge loss of support. Translated nationally means a disaster is on the way in november.
Again - for people like Mal, Ozmo, 180, Straw ,et al NONE OF WHO SAW THE MID TERMS COMING - I say congrats morons - parading around your ignorance is very amusing to watch.
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He won by 14 in 2008. The fact that even if you assume this exit poll is remotely accurate, which it is not, he is up by 7, still shows a huge loss of support. Translated nationally means a disaster is on the way in november.
Again - for people like Mal, Ozmo, 180, Straw ,et al NONE OF WHO SAW THE MID TERMS COMING - I say congrats morons - parading around your ignorance is very amusing to watch.
Not to mention that this poll oversampled Democrats. Take that out of the equation and Obama and Romney are virtually TIED.
Wisconsin has become a toss-up state. And the Dems are scared silly, as a result.
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I know how to read polls and when they are wortheless or not. You have to look at the internals , the weighting, the turnout models, etc.
But thats fine - keep your head in the sand.
Ohhh... so you can see a worthless poll, but a worthless "news" source is tougher for you to handle.. Got it. Exit poll, not good. Indian Blogger, Iron Clad... hahahahahahhahahha
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June 6, 2012 12:46am 13 Comments
Exit poll: WI in play in November
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Michael Barone
The Wisconsin exit poll evidently reported the race for governor in the recall ballot as 50%-50%. With 92% of the vote in, the Milwa
The Wisconsin exit poll evidently reported the race for governor in the recall ballot as 50%-50%. With 92% of the vote in, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel’s excellent website reports the score as 54%-46% Walker. Let’s say that’s the final results: only 13% of precincts from Milwaukee County and 3% of precincts from Madison’s Dane County—the Democrats’ two reservoirs of big majorities—remain uncounted. It has been emblazoned on mainstream media that the exit poll also showed Barack Obama leading Mitt Romney in the state 51%-45%. But if you think the exit poll was 4% too Democratic—and that’s in line with exit poll discrepancies with actual vote results over the last decade, as documented by the exit poll pioneer, the late Warren Mitofsky*—that result looks more like 49%-47% Romney. Or assume the remaining Milwaukee County precincts whittle Republican Governor Scott Walker’s margin over Democratic Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett to 53%-47%, which looks likely, the Obama-Romney numbers would look like 48%-48%.
This is in a state that Obama carried 56%-42% in 2008. But those putative numbers also look very much like the numbers in 2000, when Al Gore carried Wisconsin 47.8%-47.6% over George W. Bush, or the numbers in 2004, when John Kerry carried Wisconsin 49.7%-49.3% over Bush.
Turnout was high in Wisconsin, at least 7% above that in the November 2010 general election. Which leads me to this conclusion: Wisconsin is very much in play in November. And Scott Walker’s victory will not, to say the least, hurt Mitt Romney.
*Mitofsky found that the biggest WPE, Within Precint Error, where exit poll results tilted most heavily toward Democrats compared ithe actual vote, were in precincts where the interviewers were female graduate students. Go figure.
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/exit-poll-wi-play-november/582041
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Barone is one of the best pollsters out there.
again morons - take your blinders off and realize the msm kneepadding going on.
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Ohhh... so you can see a worthless poll, but a worthless "news" source is tougher for you to handle.. Got it. Exit poll, not good. Indian Blogger, Iron Clad... hahahahahahhahahha
Just remember the 2010 mid terms and how you NEVER saw that coming.
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LOL. Jesus Christ are you people from California stupid as fuck.
If the same poll you are relying on was off by 7 in the governor race, its fair to assume that it is worthless on the other predictions as well.
But that it fine by me - the longer you clowns stay in the dark about the electoral tsunami approaching the more amusing it will be the day after obama is sent home in disgrace.
So says a birther and its easy to see why you would think one is related to another.
I hope its a tzunami, but it won't be. It will likely be close and we will get BUSH 3
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So says a birther and its easy to see why you would think one is related to another.
I hope its a tzunami, but it won't be. It will likely be close and we will get BUSH 3
Wrong - we have Bush 3 now.
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June 6, 2012 12:46am 13 Comments
Exit poll: WI in play in November
by
Michael Barone
The Wisconsin exit poll evidently reported the race for governor in the recall ballot as 50%-50%. With 92% of the vote in, the Milwa
The Wisconsin exit poll evidently reported the race for governor in the recall ballot as 50%-50%. With 92% of the vote in, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel’s excellent website reports the score as 54%-46% Walker. Let’s say that’s the final results: only 13% of precincts from Milwaukee County and 3% of precincts from Madison’s Dane County—the Democrats’ two reservoirs of big majorities—remain uncounted. It has been emblazoned on mainstream media that the exit poll also showed Barack Obama leading Mitt Romney in the state 51%-45%. But if you think the exit poll was 4% too Democratic—and that’s in line with exit poll discrepancies with actual vote results over the last decade, as documented by the exit poll pioneer, the late Warren Mitofsky*—that result looks more like 49%-47% Romney. Or assume the remaining Milwaukee County precincts whittle Republican Governor Scott Walker’s margin over Democratic Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett to 53%-47%, which looks likely, the Obama-Romney numbers would look like 48%-48%
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Just remember the 2010 mid terms and how you NEVER saw that coming.
I saw that coming from 5000 miles away
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He won by 14 in 2008. The fact that even if you assume this exit poll is remotely accurate, which it is not, he is up by 7, still shows a huge loss of support. Translated nationally means a disaster is on the way in november.
Again - for people like Mal, Ozmo, 180, Straw ,et al NONE OF WHO SAW THE MID TERMS COMING - I say congrats morons - parading around your ignorance is very amusing to watch.
I agree it does say a lot about what will happen in November in other states. The head of the DNC said so just a couple weeks ago.
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Wrong - we have Bush 3 now.
I thought OB was Bush 2?
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I agree it does say a lot about what will happen in November in other states. The head of the DNC said so just a couple weeks ago.
LMFAO at the one thing the obama drones were grasping to completely obliterated again.
The funny thing two about obama voters is that they get used and abused like human toilet paper by obama day after day aday after day and they keep going back for more.
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MSM Reports Wildly Flawed WI Exit Polls To Spin For Obama
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by John Nolte
You should've seen the MSM last night on Twitter. I make it a point to follow several of these folks in order to keep an eye on them, and the Wisconsin exit polls, released just after the state's polls closed at 8pm CT, showed the recall race between Republican Governor Scott Walker and his opponent, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, tied at 50/50.
And was the corrupt media giddy?
Oh yes they were.
Not only was the MSM giddy over the idea Walker might lose, but they then drip-drip-dripped all the internal numbers that spelled gloom and doom for our side. But the number the media was most excited to share was that exit polls showed Obama beating Romney in Wisconsin by seven points. ABC News says nine:
Wisconsin voters by 52-43 percent said they’d support Obama over Romney if the election were today, the ABC News exit poll found, by 43-37 percent picked Obama to do a better job than Romney handling the economy and by 47-36 percent preferred the president on “helping the middle class.”
Yes, the media is still quoting exit polls that couldn't even get the main event correct.
The results between Walker and Barrett aren't 50/50. It wasn't even close. Walker trounced Barrett by an even wider margin than when they squared off in 2010: Seven points instead of six.
And yet, as of this morning, the media is quoting exit polls that were a full seven points off in favor of the Democrat as good news because they show a seven to nine point lead for Democrat Barack Obama.
The media will tell you that the exit polls have been adjusted since they were first released, but adjusted crap is still crap.
You see what they’re doing here?
2012 will hinge on turnout, especially in swing states such as Wisconsin, and the media doesn't want the supporters of Their Precious One demoralized.
What was fun last night, though, and what makes having to follow all these media types on Twitter worth it, was watching them melt into sadness as the realization quickly hit that the exit polls were horribly wrong.
As the only poll the corrupt MSM can't manipulate (the actual votes) came in, you could actually see the media's Twitter avatars look sadder and sadder. Just as lousy exit polls had made John F'n. Kerry president for a single afternoon in 2004, once again they had given the MSM so much hope only to dash it cruelly against the actual results.
If the media wants to continue to attempt to fool us and themselves with discredited exit polls, I look forward to watching this again on an operatic scale come November.
Side note: Why does the media pay for exit polls, anyway? Why not forget them and just make it a policy to lie to the public after the polls close about how bad it looks for the Republican? Same effect, but cheaper, right?
The media is going bankrupt and this seems like the perfect place to cut corners.
ADDED: The great Michael Barone weighs in:
But if you think the exit poll was 4% too Democratic—and that’s in line with exit poll discrepancies with actual vote results over the last decade, as documented by the exit poll pioneer, the late Warren Mitofsky*—that result looks more like 49%-47% Romney. Or assume the remaining Milwaukee County precincts whittle Republican Governor Scott Walker’s margin over Democratic Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett to 53%-47%, which looks likely, the Obama-Romney numbers would look like 48%-48%.
Follow John Nolte on Twitter @NolteNC
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/06/06/MSM-Exit-Polls-Comfort-Obama
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KEEP LYING TO YOURSELVES LIBS.
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Holy freaking meltdown all over the place 3333... what a spaz
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Holy freaking meltdown all over the place 3333... what a spaz
LOL. Just having fun destroying every pathetic lib lie being spewed to try to salvage the disaster, yes fucking DISASTER, that occured to obama yesterday.
You idiots who voted for obama have only yourselves to blame for this mess.
Just harken back to November 2008 the joy and glee you had electing the messiah. remember the transformational moment at Marcy park. Remember the hope and change you drones tried to convince the rest of us of.
Did you fools ever imagine it would turnout like this?
Well, some of us did, and have been proven right.
BTW - go fuck yourself.
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3333, I thought the left were the ones expected to be crying today. Your posts can only be described as a childish crybaby like panic attack.
your posts come off this this dude.
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LOL, even your avatar and quote match the spaz video above.
What's with the, "I don't have to talk to you" crying quote? Funny thing to write there considering how many times you've stalked others demanding answers.
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3333, I thought the left were the ones expected to be crying today. Your posts can only be described as a childish crybaby like panic attack.
your posts come off this this dude.
Ha ha ha. You mistake crying for laughter. I am laughing so hard at the complete and total mess the obama admn is in right now. But even bigger than that is my laughter at those who voted for this shit show somehow thinking voting for the farthest left wing kook in the Senate who never held a real job in his life, and whose entire bio is a msm created lie and fabrication, would somehow have turned out any different than it actually did.
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90 plus post in one day ,how do you even go to the bathroom.can you say colostomy bag :D :D :D
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LOL, even your avatar and quote match the spaz video above.
What's with the, "I don't have to talk to you" crying quote? Funny thing to write there considering how many times you've stalked others demanding answers.
;D ;D
Listen and learn.
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Tool is, Tool does,
I thought it was a pretty interesting thing to discuss. Why would voters lean towards Walker yet lean towards Obama.
Instead we have full on meltdown ad hom laced freak out by 333333.
John Candy all over again.
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Just remember the 2010 mid terms and how you NEVER saw that coming.
dude - the polls in 2010 definitely showed it coming so why don't you stop crowing about what was already known prior to that election
just like the polls showed in the recall election that Walkers was leading (which is almost certainly why Obama didn't campain for him and also why the Dems didn't put much money into it)
Keep in mind that the Dem candidate had already lost to Walker in 2010 and only became the official candidate less than a month before the election and was ridiculously outspent
Stop bragging about stuff that everyone alreayd knew in advance of the election
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Tool is, Tool does,
I thought it was a pretty interesting thing to discuss. Why would voters lean towards Walker yet lean towards Obama.
Instead we have full on meltdown ad hom laced freak out by 333333.
John Candy all over again.
I think he flat out doesn't want anyone here talking about anything he doesn't want talked about lol... He comes unglued if it's not the subject he wants on his terms. Cartman comes to mind lol...
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Tool is, Tool does,
I thought it was a pretty interesting thing to discuss. Why would voters lean towards Walker yet lean towards Obama.
Instead we have full on meltdown ad hom laced freak out by 333333.
John Candy all over again.
LOL!!!!
YOU ARE ASKING A FALSE QUESTION! The exit poll was wrong.
Why is that so hard for you to understand? T H E E X I T P O L L W A S W R O N G
AGAIN - FOR YOU LIBTARDS - THE EXIT POLL WAS WRONG
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Michael Barone’s re-weighted Wisconsin results: Obama 48, Romney 48
Hotair ^ | 06/06/2012 | AllahPundit
O's showing against Romney in the exits was the one tiny bit of hope that MSNBC clung to late last night, to the point where Lawrence O'Donnell said, with a straight face, that the big winner in Wisconsin had been --- Obama.
Here's Michael Barone stealing the last little bit of their candy:
The Wisconsin exit poll evidently reported the race for governor in the recall ballot as 50%-50%. With 92% of the vote in, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel’s excellent website reports the score as 54%-46% Walker. Let’s say that’s the final results: only 13% of precincts from Milwaukee County and 3% of precincts from Madison’s Dane County --- the Democrats’ two reservoirs of big majorities --- remain uncounted. It has been emblazoned on mainstream media that the exit poll also showed Barack Obama leading Mitt Romney in the state 51%-45%. But if you think the exit poll was 4% too Democratic ... and that’s in line with exit poll discrepancies with actual vote results over the last decade, as documented by the exit poll pioneer, the late Warren Mitofsky* — that result looks more like 49%-47% Romney. Or assume the remaining Milwaukee County precincts whittle Republican Governor Scott Walker’s margin over Democratic Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett to 53%-47%, which looks likely, the Obama-Romney numbers would look like 48%-48%.
This is in a state that Obama carried 56%-42% in 2008. But those putative numbers also look very much like the numbers in 2000, when Al Gore carried Wisconsin 47.8%-47.6% over George W. Bush, or the numbers in 2004, when John Kerry carried Wisconsin 49.7%-49.3% over Bush.
Walker ended up winning by slightly less than seven points, which, per Barone's logic, should mean that Romney actually has a very narrow lead over Obama. Two problems with that, though. First, there were several iterations of exit poll results last night as results came in and, if memory serves, the 51/45 spread for Obama that Barone mentions was only the first of them. The next wave showed Obama’s lead ballooning to 12 points(!) even while it also showed Walker inching out to a four-point lead over Barrett. I lost track of how the exits moved after that (as did lefty Michael Tomasky, who’s otherwise in full “great news for Obama!” spin mode), but ABC seems to have settled on a seven-point Obama lead. If that’s true, then Barone’s “adjustment” analysis would place Obama and Romney in a dead heat. But that leads us to the second complication: He seems to be assuming that there are no crossover voters who prefer both Walker and Obama. I.e., he’s arguing that if the initial Walker/Barrett exit had it 50/50 and Walker ended up winning by seven, you should assume that the same number of voters were erroneously attributed to Obama in the exits when they should have gone to Romney. Is that really safe to assume? Remember, according to the exit poll, fully 60 percent said that governors should be recalled from office only when they’re guilty of misconduct. Could be that there’s some small but significant critical mass of centrist Dems who were queasy about yanking Walker in the middle of this term given the tit-for-tat recall precedent that might set but are prepared to pull the lever for O in November. On the other hand, if Michael Barone tells you one thing and an idiot like me tells you something different, Barone’s conclusion is a safe bet to be more accurate. So he may be right — given the exit polls and final results last night, Wisconsin’s a toss-up.
Then there’s the question of whether the Obama/Romney exit results can be trusted at all. Jay Cost explains:
Here is the question the exit pollsters ask:
If the presidential election were held today, for whom would you vote?
A. Barack Obama, 51 percent.
B. Mitt Romney, 44 percent.
C. Would Not Vote, 3 percent.
What is missing from this is the “undecided” category. It’s not even an option, which to my mind really undercuts the utility of this question. To what extent are Obama and Romney “supporters” just being pushed there because they have no undecided option? Could be a lot. Who knows?
Every “undecided” vote at this point is good news for Mitt because it’s a vote that the incumbent has failed to lock up after three years in office. In which case, yeah, Barone’s conclusion makes more sense. Even if Obama does lead by six or seven points, the results last night suggest that that’s a very soft six or seven. And more good news: Marquette is crowing that their last poll of Wisconsin nailed the outcome by predicting a seven-point Walker win, but Guy Benson notes that the same poll also showed Wisconsin deadlocked between Obama and Romney at 46 apiece. Even in a worst-case scenario, in other words, there’s every reason to believe that Romney’s in contention there, albeit facing an uphill battle to win. Is he willing to spend boatloads of dough, a la Walker himself, to try to take it? Or should he take heart that if Wisconsin is already this close, he’s bound to have even more golden opportunities in other swing states? Sean Trende:
Now, this also might be as good as it gets for Republicans, and again the 2012 general electorate will probably be more Democratic than this one. At the same time, Obama doesn’t want a low-to-mid-single-digit win in the Badger State. That would suggest a very close race nationally. Remember, he won the state by 14 points in 2008 while winning nationally by eight, so anything less than a six-point lead in the state is not a great sign for him.
As a final thought, ask yourself this: In June of 2008, do you think Walker could have withstood a recall election? Or in June of 2006? The 2012 electorate probably won’t look like 2010’s, but this stands as yet another data point that suggests the enthusiasm gap that plagued Republicans in the mid-to-late “aughts” has disappeared.
Josh Kraushaar of National Journal came to the same conclusion: If Obama’s five- to seven-point decline in Wisconsin from 2008 holds true across the board, then he’s in desperately deep trouble in closer swing states like Virginia and Ohio. Exit question: Should Romney gamble on Wisconsin or focus elsewhere? Remember, he’s got Wisconsinites Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, and Reince Priebus ready to go bat for him at home. Does that mean he can skip the state and hope that they deliver on his behalf or should he take their success as encouragement to campaign there?
Update: Walker himself says the state is competitive but that Romney is certainly still the underdog.
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I think he flat out doesn't want anyone here talking about anything he doesn't want talked about lol... He comes unglued if it's not the subject he wants on his terms. Cartman comes to mind lol...
Oh STFU you whiney baby. The issue is the msm fostering a lie and the delusional obama drones acting like its legit.
AGAIN - FOR YOU IDIOTS
1. Exit poll showed Walker / Barrett TIED
2. Exit poll was off by 7 in favor of Walker
3. The exit poll was wrong.
4. Claiming that Obama is up by nine using that same poll which was off by seven is equally wrong.
Why can't you fools understand this?
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LOL!!!!
YOU ARE ASKING A FALSE QUESTION! The exit poll was wrong.
Why is that so hard for you to understand? T H E E X I T P O L L W A S W R O N G
AGAIN - FOR YOU LIBTARDS - THE EXIT POLL WAS WRONG
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Whatever - i proved that the exit poll was worthless, and obama drones are still grasping to dear life to it thinking Obama has a prayer in Nov.
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Oh STFU you whiney baby. The issue is the msm fostering a lie and the delusional obama drones acting like its legit.
AGAIN - FOR YOU IDIOTS
Why can't you fools understand this?
LOL, would you like to borrow my avatar :D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=106389.0;attach=468088;image)
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LOL, would you like to borrow my avatar :D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=106389.0;attach=468088;image)
Nice job derailing the thread, moderator. ::)
Couldn't make it through the last page without having to scroll through a dozen shitty, off-topic posts by you.
As for the thread, I don't know if it was pointed out because I couldn't tell with all of Hugo's spam but the exit polls are anything but accurate. The exit polls last night had Walked and Barrett tied and we saw how that worked out. We also see the same type of numbers with regards to gay marriage (even happened in NC) yet it gets crushed when people are in the booths by themselves.
"In any case, it is hardly promising for Obama that his supporters are boasting that he has a single-digit lead in a state the Democrats have carried in the past six presidential elections, and where his 2008 margin of victory was 13 points. What's more, Politico reports that "Obama campaign manager Jim Messina listed Wisconsin as a toss-up in a video message to supporters this week." Maddow and Kos need to set him straight."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303753904577450550752099134.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion
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Nice job derailing the thread, moderator. ::)
Couldn't make it through the last page without having to scroll through a dozen shitty, off-topic posts by you.
As for the thread, I don't know if it was pointed out because I couldn't tell with all of Hugo's spam but the exit polls are anything but accurate. The exit polls last night had Walked and Barrett tied and we saw how that worked out. We also see the same type of numbers with regards to gay marriage (even happened in NC) yet it gets crushed when people are in the booths by themselves.
"In any case, it is hardly promising for Obama that his supporters are boasting that he has a single-digit lead in a state the Democrats have carried in the past six presidential elections, and where his 2008 margin of victory was 13 points. What's more, Politico reports that "Obama campaign manager Jim Messina listed Wisconsin as a toss-up in a video message to supporters this week." Maddow and Kos need to set him straight."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303753904577450550752099134.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion
Hey - exit polls are more reliable than the actual vote tally!
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Nice job derailing the thread, moderator. ::)
looked more like Ozmo wanted to talk and 3333 wanted to flip out. If you don't like what I've done here, go cry to Ron about it. 3333 does this shit all the time and that's what derails threads into useless shit slinging.
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looked more like Ozmo wanted to talk and 3333 wanted to flip out. If you don't like what I've done here, go cry to Ron about it. 3333 does this shit all the time and that's what derails threads into useless shit slinging.
This thread is an example of the lies of the left and the lies of the msm that are used to create false narratives and brainwash the public.
I conclusivesly proved this article is pure horeshit by using even the most basic common sense, but apparently for Obama voters that is too much.
BTW - my first posts were very sensible and the refusal of some idiots to grasp the way they are being lied to and brainwashed by the msm is beyond my comprehension.
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This thread is an example of the lies of the left and the lies of the msm that are used to create false narratives and brainwash the public.
I conclusivesly proved this article is pure horeshit by using even the most basic common sense, but apparently for Obama voters that is too much.
BTW - my first posts were very sensible and the refusal of some idiots to grasp the way they are being lied to and brainwashed by the msm is beyond my comprehension.
tool is, tool does.
BTW, birther, you don't the meaning of the word conclusively and your credibility is such.
Either the poll is inaccurate due to lying/foul play or not.
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tool is, tool does.
BTW, birther, you don't the meaning of the word conclusively and your credibility is such.
Either the poll is inaccurate due to lying/foul play or not.
IT WAS INACCURATE BASED ON THE ACTUAL VOTE TALLY!
AGAIN - THE SAME EXIT POLL YOU OBAMA DRONES ARE JIZZING OVER HAD WALKER/BARRETT TIED 50/50!
THE POLL WAS WRONG. GET OVER IT. OBAMA IS NOT UP BY 9 IN WISCONSIN.
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Calm down tool.
I think more than anything else, the exit polls shows how weak of a candidate Romney is.
BTW: UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW IT WAS TAMPERED WITH, THE POLL IS A FACT. YOU MAY ARGUE ITS MEANINGLESS, BUT ITS STILL A FACT.
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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2012/0606/Wisconsin-recall-paradox-Why-Obama-outpolls-Romney-despite-Walker-win-video (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2012/0606/Wisconsin-recall-paradox-Why-Obama-outpolls-Romney-despite-Walker-win-video)
Wisconsin recall paradox: Why Obama outpolls Romney despite Walker win (+video)
Even as voters in the Wisconsin recall election opted to keep Republican Gov. Scott Walker, exit polling shows Obama beating Mitt Romney there by a healthy margin. One explanation: Some voters felt the recall of a just-elected governor was inappropriate.
President Obama got some good news in the Wisconsin recall election, even as the Democrats failed to oust Republican Gov. Scott Walker: The president polled ahead of Mitt Romney by a wide margin – 51 percent to 44 percent, according to the exit poll conducted by Edison Research.
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That spread matches Governor Walker’s seven-point margin over Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, the Democratic nominee in Tuesday’s recall election. Five months before the general election, Wisconsin voters also preferred Mr. Obama over Mr. Romney to deal with the economy, 43 percent to 37 percent, according to the ABC News exit poll. On “helping the middle class,” Obama beat Romney, the presumptive GOP presidential nominee, 47 percent to 36 percent.
Obama’s lead over Romney is smaller than his 14-point victory over John McCain four years ago in Wisconsin, a battleground state that political observers still tend to see as leaning Democratic. But given the struggling economy, it’s no surprise that Obama has lost altitude there, as he has nationally.
IN PICTURES: Showdown in Wisconsin
Still, “in a race portrayed as potentially indicative of the president’s fortunes five months from now, it showed that he can remain competitive even in the face of the still-weak economy he’d pledged to repair,” writes ABC pollster Gary Langer.
So why the apparent disconnect?
First, there’s a big difference between a recall vote and a regularly scheduled election. A solid majority of Wisconsin voters – 60 percent – said recall elections are appropriate only in cases of “official misconduct,” according to the Edison exit poll. Some 27 percent said recalls are OK for any reason, and 10 percent said they’re never acceptable.
In addition, Wisconsin has a strong bipartisan tradition, with a history of ticket-splitting. According to the Washington Post, Walker won 17 percent of Obama supporters, while Mayor Barrett won 6 percent of Romney supporters. Exit polling showed 54 percent of Wisconsin voters approved of Walker’s performance on job creation and 52 percent approved of the recent changes to state law limiting the ability of government workers to collectively bargain over pay and benefits. Wisconsin’s unemployment rate, 6.7 percent in April, is below the national average.
Team Obama took some comfort in the exit polls. On Tuesday night, top campaign strategist David Axelrod tweeted, “Bad night in Boston...WI raises big questions for Mitt,” with a link to a news report on exit polling showing Obama beating Romney in Wisconsin. Romney’s campaign headquarters is in Boston.
But there’s no denying bad news in the mix for Obama in Walker’s victory. The labor movement’s failure to oust the Wisconsin governor has only enhanced its image of decline. And a dispirited labor movement, important for Democratic get-out-the-vote efforts, can’t help but hurt Obama. The November outcome is expected to hinge on which side does a better job of turning out its base voters.
Democrats sought to minimize the blow to labor and how it could affect Obama’s reelection prospects.
“It doesn’t help Obama, but it also doesn’t hurt much,” said a Democratic strategist, speaking on background. “There’s no question that labor makes a difference, but it’s more of a long-term problem.”
One Republican analyst sees bigger implications for labor and Obama.
“The loss will ... drive a wedge between President Obama and organized labor, which cannot be pleased at the indifference Obama showed toward this race,” writes Peter Wehner on the Commentary magazine website, noting that Barrett was one of Obama’s earliest supporters in 2007. “The president wasn’t there when organized labor needed him. They are likely to return the favor in November.”
Indeed, Obama opted not to campaign for Barrett, and endorsed him only the day before the election, via Twitter. But then, Romney did not campaign for Walker, either.
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Calm down tool.
I think more than anything else, the exit polls shows how weak of a candidate Romney is.
BTW: UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW IT WAS TAMPERED WITH, THE POLL IS A FACT. YOU MAY ARGUE ITS MEANINGLESS, BUT ITS STILL A FACT.
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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2012/0606/Wisconsin-recall-paradox-Why-Obama-outpolls-Romney-despite-Walker-win-video (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2012/0606/Wisconsin-recall-paradox-Why-Obama-outpolls-Romney-despite-Walker-win-video)
Wisconsin recall paradox: Why Obama outpolls Romney despite Walker win (+video)
Even as voters in the Wisconsin recall election opted to keep Republican Gov. Scott Walker, exit polling shows Obama beating Mitt Romney there by a healthy margin. One explanation: Some voters felt the recall of a just-elected governor was inappropriate.
President Obama got some good news in the Wisconsin recall election, even as the Democrats failed to oust Republican Gov. Scott Walker: The president polled ahead of Mitt Romney by a wide margin – 51 percent to 44 percent, according to the exit poll conducted by Edison Research.
Related stories
That spread matches Governor Walker’s seven-point margin over Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, the Democratic nominee in Tuesday’s recall election. Five months before the general election, Wisconsin voters also preferred Mr. Obama over Mr. Romney to deal with the economy, 43 percent to 37 percent, according to the ABC News exit poll. On “helping the middle class,” Obama beat Romney, the presumptive GOP presidential nominee, 47 percent to 36 percent.
Obama’s lead over Romney is smaller than his 14-point victory over John McCain four years ago in Wisconsin, a battleground state that political observers still tend to see as leaning Democratic. But given the struggling economy, it’s no surprise that Obama has lost altitude there, as he has nationally.
IN PICTURES: Showdown in Wisconsin
Still, “in a race portrayed as potentially indicative of the president’s fortunes five months from now, it showed that he can remain competitive even in the face of the still-weak economy he’d pledged to repair,” writes ABC pollster Gary Langer.
So why the apparent disconnect?
First, there’s a big difference between a recall vote and a regularly scheduled election. A solid majority of Wisconsin voters – 60 percent – said recall elections are appropriate only in cases of “official misconduct,” according to the Edison exit poll. Some 27 percent said recalls are OK for any reason, and 10 percent said they’re never acceptable.
In addition, Wisconsin has a strong bipartisan tradition, with a history of ticket-splitting. According to the Washington Post, Walker won 17 percent of Obama supporters, while Mayor Barrett won 6 percent of Romney supporters. Exit polling showed 54 percent of Wisconsin voters approved of Walker’s performance on job creation and 52 percent approved of the recent changes to state law limiting the ability of government workers to collectively bargain over pay and benefits. Wisconsin’s unemployment rate, 6.7 percent in April, is below the national average.
Team Obama took some comfort in the exit polls. On Tuesday night, top campaign strategist David Axelrod tweeted, “Bad night in Boston...WI raises big questions for Mitt,” with a link to a news report on exit polling showing Obama beating Romney in Wisconsin. Romney’s campaign headquarters is in Boston.
But there’s no denying bad news in the mix for Obama in Walker’s victory. The labor movement’s failure to oust the Wisconsin governor has only enhanced its image of decline. And a dispirited labor movement, important for Democratic get-out-the-vote efforts, can’t help but hurt Obama. The November outcome is expected to hinge on which side does a better job of turning out its base voters.
Democrats sought to minimize the blow to labor and how it could affect Obama’s reelection prospects.
“It doesn’t help Obama, but it also doesn’t hurt much,” said a Democratic strategist, speaking on background. “There’s no question that labor makes a difference, but it’s more of a long-term problem.”
One Republican analyst sees bigger implications for labor and Obama.
“The loss will ... drive a wedge between President Obama and organized labor, which cannot be pleased at the indifference Obama showed toward this race,” writes Peter Wehner on the Commentary magazine website, noting that Barrett was one of Obama’s earliest supporters in 2007. “The president wasn’t there when organized labor needed him. They are likely to return the favor in November.”
Indeed, Obama opted not to campaign for Barrett, and endorsed him only the day before the election, via Twitter. But then, Romney did not campaign for Walker, either.
LOL - Fake but Accurate - Dan Rather approved.
Remember the exit polls from 2004 showing Kerry had won?
Exit polls are meaningless, but grasp at whaever you want, just be prepared to be proven wrong AGAIN in November.
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33333, I am not grasping, I don't care either way, i have stated why i posted this in the first place and you flipped out like little sad bitch. I don't want OB to win. But you are living in a fantasy world. anyone with any sense, who is not a TOOL like yourself knows, there is a good chance OB wins a second term or at least a good chance for a close election.
But why am i trying to talk reason with a man who believes something incorrectly printed in 1991 is absolute proof of a foreign birth?
Even if it ever turns out he was born in Kenya the logic and reasoning you use here is so flawed its almost retarded.
So sorry, 33333 if i laugh at your "I have conclusively proved..."
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33333, I am not grasping, I don't care either way, i have stated why i posted this in the first place and you flipped out like little sad bitch. I don't want OB to win. But you are living in a fantasy world. anyone with any sense, who is not a TOOL like yourself knows, there is a good chance OB wins a second term or at least a good chance for a close election.
But why am i trying to talk reason with a man who believes something incorrectly printed in 1991 is absolute proof of a foreign birth?
Even if it ever turns out he was born in Kenya the logic and reasoning you use here is so flawed its almost retarded.
So sorry, 33333 if i laugh at your "I have conclusively proved..."
My posts on this were not directed at you as much as refelctive of the fact that the usual MSM matrix is running around with this lie and trying to create a false reality to prop up their chosen pick to the election.
They are trying to create news, not report it.
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My posts on this were not directed at you as much as refelctive of the fact that the usual MSM matrix is running around with this lie and trying to create a false reality to prop up their chosen pick to the election.
Really?
But keep grasping at anything for the messiah, he is going down hard.
1. The same Exit Poll Ozmo and 240 are jizzing over had walker and barrett tied.
Jesus Christ are you people from California stupid as fuck.
But that it fine by me - the longer you clowns stay in the dark about the electoral tsunami approaching the more amusing it will be the day after obama is sent home in disgrace.
Again - for people like Mal, Ozmo, 180, Straw ,et al NONE OF WHO SAW THE MID TERMS COMING - I say congrats morons - parading around your ignorance is very amusing to watch.
They are trying to create news, not report it.
This exit poll thing is all over the place, from Newsmax CSmonitor to the Post. Everywhere.
If the polls show Obama ahead of Romney in state that just re-elected a Conservative Governor it SPEAK VOLUMES OF ROMNEY!
The GOP needs to put more gloss on that turd or we will get more OB crappy leadership if we don't get that anyway with Romney.
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some walker voters prefer obama over romney.
33, is this a fact, or not?
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The exit poll was proven false by the vote tally you moron!
But keep beliving your bullshit . you stupid idiots who voted for obama and plan on doing so again are in for such a rude awakening its not funny.
Im pretty sure Obama won the presedency last time so WTF are you talking about?
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hahahahahaha shut the fuck up
Had that same poll said obama was losing by 50, your ass would have started a thread on that shit so fast... so get your selective vetting ass out of here with that weak shit
Hahaha +100
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:). The exit poll was proven false by the actual vote tally. How you left wing incompetents can't see this is just another reflection of how far gone you moonbats are.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/06/07/a_closer_look_at_those_wisconsin_exit_polls.html
The exit polls are wortheless.
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:). The exit poll was proven false by the actual vote tally. How you left wing incompetents can't see this is just another reflection of how far gone you moonbats are.
too bad you didnt vet that blogger from india before you ran the thread about "$200 mil a day"
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too bad you didnt vet that blogger from india before you ran the thread about "$200 mil a day"
LOL. India Times is a newspaper.
And BTW moron - again -
THE EXIT POLL WAS PROVEN WRONG BY THE ACTUAL VOTE TALLY!
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LOL. India Times is a newspaper.
And BTW moron - again -
THE EXIT POLL WAS PROVEN WRONG BY THE ACTUAL VOTE TALLY!
So you got that story from the India Times?
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Elite Media Distorts Wisconsin Exit Polls and Results
The Sunshine State News ^ | June 7, 2012 | Matt Towery
They are at it again. Following what can only be described as a butt-kicking win for Gov. Scott Walker in Wisconsin's recall election, many media pundits were trying to "split the baby" by acknowledging Walker's win, but pointing to exit polls that show President Obama with a seven-point lead against Mitt Romney in that state. There is just one problem with their story: It fails to acknowledge just how far off the exit poll was in the gubernatorial contest.
To add insult to injury, the elite media bashed Matt Drudge for supposedly posting information saying the exit polls showed Walker safely winning, declaring the polls to show the race as very tight. Turns out the exit polls they referred to were wrong. Perhaps we should just go to The Drudge Report to get the accurate information from now on.
I continue to contend that exit polls are darn close to useless. I prefer polling a base model and then taking key county or even precinct results as early numbers arrive in order to project a winner. It works better and actually can often be released with a better sense of accuracy than these horrible exit polls that the media are often afraid to release.
Considering the exit polls the media relied on showed a razor-thin difference between Walker and his Democratic opponent, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, the logic behind some huge lead for Obama, produced by the same exit polls, melts away. Walker defeated Barrett by seven-point margin.
Apply that same analysis to Obama's seven-point lead in the same exit polls and the race in Wisconsin is actually closer to being dead even. Wisconsin is hardly a bastion of Republican power or conservative might, yet it is even up for grabs. And this says much more about all of the polls and predictions we have seen to date.
In order for an exit poll to truly have any value, it must somehow take the various selected precincts from which information is gathered and attempt to place it in some "model" that reflects party identification, age, race and gender proportions normally seen or expected for a certain statewide race. My guess is that these polls likely skewed stronger towards younger voters and perhaps Democrats than was the actual turnout.
This would suggest that pollsters who are "weighting" their polls in other states, particularly the critically close swing states such as North Carolina, Florida and Ohio, might want to reexamine their allocation of young voters as well as consider increasing their proportion of "independent" voters that they use as they process the raw data they collect.
What might that mean in terms of these states? It might mean that Florida and North Carolina, traditionally Republican presidential states, are not as close as recent polls suggest, with Romney leading Obama. It would also make states like Missouri and Colorado, considered potential swing states that lean Obama, more than likely toss-ups that could easily go Republican in November.
And I am not a GOP rah-rah pollster (yes, my opinion is more rah-rah!). In fact, when polling for one of the nation's top sources of political news in 2008, my results showed Obama carrying both Florida and North Carolina. But a few things have changed in four years that cause me to believe that, if the election were held today, Romney would carry both states. First, we do not see the "on fire" energy for President Obama in 2012 among voters under 30 that existed for candidate Obama in 2008.
Second and more importantly, the percentage of those who view themselves as moderates or who say they are "independent" as to their party affiliation in a general election (regardless of how they might be registered for primary purposes) is not only high, but is leaning more Republican than in 2008. Many of these same "independent" voters desperately wanted change in 2008 and supplied Obama with the margin of victory in the major swing states.
We are still far from November, and as will remain my contention, the result of the presidential debates will likely determine who wins the contest for the presidency. But my Wisconsin-based interpretation of the national electoral mood is based on something more tangible than a guess about the strength of unions or weariness over recalls. My evaluation is tangible based on the exit polls -- as compared to reality
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In short:
If the poll favors the GOP = The poll is correct
If the POLL favors the dem = The poll is wrong
This by the way also holds true for articles, opinions, actions etc...
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In short:
If the poll favors the GOP = The poll is correct
If the POLL favors the dem = The poll is wrong
This by the way also holds true for articles, opinions, actions etc...
Not really....the polling that Obama is leading Romney whereas Scott Walker won in the state shows that people still look at the individual that they are voting for rather than their party. Romney isn't very popular in Wisconsin and he doesn't have much chance of winning it based on the numbers.
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Not really....the polling that Obama is leading Romney whereas Scott Walker won in the state shows that people still look at the individual that they are voting for rather than their party. Romney isn't very popular in Wisconsin and he doesn't have much chance of winning it based on the numbers.
Ok, lets do this again for you incompetent, illiterate, idiotic, and delusional leftists:
The same exit poll you fools are claiming shows obama leading romney by 7 also showed Walker/Barret tied 50 - 50.
Walker ended up winning by 7.
THUS - THE EXIT POLL WAS WRONG and oversampled democrats by a wide margin!
The fact that we are even discussing this shows excatly the type of warped and delusional mentality that would allow someone to even consider voting for a con man, liar, communist, and jerk like obama.
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You mean the Liar commie who killed OBL, saved the auto industri and has improved the economy ever since he took office?
Hmm maybe communism is a good thing, huh?
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You mean the Liar commie who killed OBL, saved the auto industri and has improved the economy ever since he took office?
Hmm maybe communism is a good thing, huh?
Really? saved the auto industry? Pure bullshit. He saved BMW and Porsche?
Improved the economy? LMFAO!!!!
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You want him to fix the economy?
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You want him to fix the economy?
I want him to go the fuck away and stop "helping" and "fixing" anything. He is a fucking corrupt disaster!
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I want him to go the fuck away and stop "helping" and "fixing" anything. He is a fucking corrupt disaster!
Maybe but things are pretty good under him
Much better than under a repub "Patriot"
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Maybe but things are pretty good under him
Much better than under a repub "Patriot"
LMFAO!!!!!
No fucking way you buy that crap.
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LMFAO!!!!!
No fucking way you buy that crap.
Yeah the Republican Patriot did a bang up Job
33333 said that the Majority of Bush's term was awesome
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Yeah the Republican Patriot did a bang up Job
33333 said that the Majority of Bush's term was awesome
He apparently misses the 2008-2009 economy, having OBL alive and he wants the auto industri dead.
But then again 333... is out of work (explains his X post a day record) so he doesnt really care about the economy.
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Yeah the Republican Patriot did a bang up Job
33333 said that the Majority of Bush's term was awesome
Yes it was moron - sub 6 percent UE most of the term, etc.
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Ok, lets do this again for you incompetent, illiterate, idiotic, and delusional leftists:
The same exit poll you fools are claiming shows obama leading romney by 7 also showed Walker/Barret tied 50 - 50.
Walker ended up winning by 7.
THUS - THE EXIT POLL WAS WRONG and oversampled democrats by a wide margin!
The fact that we are even discussing this shows excatly the type of warped and delusional mentality that would allow someone to even consider voting for a con man, liar, communist, and jerk like obama.
You're the one that's dumb....if the people don't like you, it makes no difference the party they are in. Everyone talks about Ronald Reagan but the fact is that he was well liked being an Hollywood actor and served in World War II....even though he was a Republican, he went and destroyed Dukakis and Carter in the general election.....he almost won the entire electoral college.
Romney is boring, stiff, and comes off as an arrogant douche and it takes away crucial points which he's going to need in the election.
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You're the one that's dumb....if the people don't like you, it makes no difference the party they are in. Everyone talks about Ronald Reagan but the fact is that he was well liked being an Hollywood actor and served in World War II....even though he was a Republican, he went and destroyed Dukakis and Carter in the general election.....he almost won the entire electoral college.
Romney is boring, stiff, and comes off as an arrogant douche and it takes away crucial points which he's going to need in the election.
This thread is a perfect example of how utterly inept and delusional most obama drones are. The same exit poll was off by 7 in the actual vote tally! Its a worthless exit poll!
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I agree with 33. Pretty obvious the exit polls were wrong.