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Walker raised about 13.42 million through in state donations
Barrett raised about 2.88 million through in state donations
yet the left would have you believe that the only reason Walker won was b/c he outspent Barrett through out of state donations.
Walker raised nearly 3 times as much as Barrett with just his in state donations...
LMFAO
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and how much of a head start did Walker have?
Barrett only become the candidate on May 8th
again, basic facts like that just seem to elude you
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and how much of a head start did Walker have?
Barrett only become the candidate on May 8th
again, basic facts like that just seem to elude you
LMFAO reach on butt hurt buddy
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LMFAO reach on butt hurt buddy
is that all you can do when faced with irrefutable facts
Walker has been raising money continuously since well before the recall was even a reality
Barrett became the candidate on May 8th
now, why did you bring this up again?
just to show how stupid you are?
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how about out of state donations, that should be illegal! The guy is a criminal and is going to court! You need to evolve and stop being a republican sheep.
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how about out of state donations, that should be illegal! The guy is a criminal and is going to court! You need to evolve and stop being a republican sheep.
I can see a valid point for outlawing out of state funding but even if you did that walker still out funded barrett by nearly 5 times...
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is that all you can do when faced with irrefutable facts
Walker has been raising money continuously since well before the recall was even a reality
Barrett became the candidate on May 8th
now, why did you bring this up again?
just to show how stupid you are?
Probably just to remind you that the unions got another well-deserved bitch slapping, junior.
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is that all you can do when faced with irrefutable facts
Walker has been raising money continuously since well before the recall was even a reality
Barrett became the candidate on May 8th
now, why did you bring this up again?
just to show how stupid you are?
and so the dems havent been raising funds since then?
LMFAO reach on butt hurt broham
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I see more gloating from the right than butt hurt from the left.
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I see more gloating from the right than butt hurt from the left.
Well to be fair, the left did start a recall that by all accounts shouldnt have happened.
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Got to love how the leftists are crying about money when Obama swamped McCain in money and the left never said a damn thing.
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Well to be fair, the left did start a recall that by all accounts shouldnt have happened.
if they met the signature requirements for a recall, then why shouldn't it have happened? The people don't have a lot of power left these days. If enough people are pissed off and they meet the requirements for a recall, I can't fathom why they shouldn't do it.
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Guys, stop fighting.
It's time for us to come together as a nation.
USA! USA! USA!
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Guys, stop fighting.
It's time for us to come together as a nation.
USA! USA! USA!
Let's see if you are singing that tune in novemeber once Romney landslides Obama
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if they met the signature requirements for a recall, then why shouldn't it have happened? The people don't have a lot of power left these days. If enough people are pissed off and they meet the requirements for a recall, I can't fathom why they shouldn't do it.
I was under the impression that recalls were reserved for elections where something illegal went down.
Also, I was under the impression that a large percentage of the signatures turned out to be forged or people from other states.
I could be wrong.
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if they met the signature requirements for a recall, then why shouldn't it have happened? The people don't have a lot of power left these days. If enough people are pissed off and they meet the requirements for a recall, I can't fathom why they shouldn't do it.
how about out of state donations, that should be illegal! The guy is a criminal and is going to court! You need to evolve and stop being a republican sheep.
You really don't have all the facts. Best not to offer an ill-informed opinion without them.
WTF??
Doesn't matter what side you're on or even if you don't have a side. This recall election should've never taken place.
There were no grounds for it, no malfeasance or misconduct. No corruption, no broken laws, no scandal, no crimes committed. Just a bunch of whiners who don't like the policies of the (2010) ELECTED official(s).
Walker inherited a 3.6 billion dollar deficit. Teachers were getting let go left and right for not having tenure. Mass layoffs (public sector). Walker balanced the budget and there's surplus without layoffs. BEFORE HE took office, Wisconsin lost more than 150,000 jobs between 2008 and 2010.
Oh, and btw ~ Wisconsin's unemployment rate is 6.7%
What's the national average? ::)
;)
AND! Our property taxes went down! BTW~ our taxes are one of the highest in the country.
What do you propose another (D) candidate should've done?
Also, the $ gap in campaign funds is grossly misleading. No one is reporting the tens of millions spent by the the other side for the recall effort (ie; out of state workers forging getting petitions signed, the Falk campaign, etc.
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I was under the impression that recalls were reserved for elections where something illegal went down.
Also, I was under the impression that a large percentage of the signatures turned out to be forged or people from other states.
I could be wrong.
you are not wrong. You are 100 percent correct.
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I was under the impression that recalls were reserved for elections where something illegal went down.
Also, I was under the impression that a large percentage of the signatures turned out to be forged or people from other states.
I could be wrong.
Unfortunately, Wisconsin is not one of those states with that law on the books.
The GAB did a piss-poor job of "verifying" ::) signatures. HA! People signing multiple times, using false addresses, bogus names, stealing names, you name it!
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I was under the impression that recalls were reserved for elections where something illegal went down.
Also, I was under the impression that a large percentage of the signatures turned out to be forged or people from other states.
I could be wrong.
That's the first I've heard that something illegal needs to happen in order for a recall to happen. Maybe there's some states like that but I don't think this is the case here:
http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Laws_governing_recall_in_Wisconsin
Also never heard anything about forged and out of state signatures. Was it proven that a "large percentage" was out of state and or forged? Not just some pundit's accusation?
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You really don't have all the facts. Best not to offer an ill-informed opinion without them.
WTF??
Doesn't matter what side you're on or even if you don't have a side. This recall election should've never taken place.
There were no grounds for it, no malfeasance or misconduct. No corruption, no broken laws, no scandal, no crimes committed. Just a bunch of whiners who don't like the policies of the (2010) ELECTED official(s).
Walker inherited a 3.6 billion dollar deficit. Teachers were getting let go left and right for not having tenure. Mass layoffs (public sector). Walker balanced the budget and there's surplus without layoffs. BEFORE HE took office, Wisconsin lost more than 150,000 jobs between 2008 and 2010.
Oh, and btw ~ Wisconsin's unemployment rate is 6.7%
What's the national average? ::)
;)
AND! Our property taxes went down! BTW~ our taxes are one of the highest in the country.
What do you propose another (D) candidate should've done?
Also, the $ gap in campaign funds is grossly misleading. No one is reporting the tens of millions spent by the the other side for the recall effort (ie; out of state workers forging getting petitions signed, the Falk campaign, etc.
bumpity bump bump bump...
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I found one state that says there needs to have been something illegal happen to be recalled and this source sites that state as being unlike most others in this area.
http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Laws_governing_recall_in_Minnesota
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That's the first I've heard that something illegal needs to happen in order for a recall to happen. Maybe there's some states like that but I don't think this is the case here:
http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Laws_governing_recall_in_Wisconsin
Also never heard anything about forged and out of state signatures. Was it proven that a "large percentage" was out of state and or forged? Not just some pundit's accusation?
Yes! It was proven over and over. People even went on camera and bragged about signing multiple petitions, using bogus names, etc. Many people who DID NOT sign later found out their name was on a petition. Investigative reporters proved out of state "volunteers" signed using the hotel address as a resident address. Children's names were on petitions, bogus names like Mickey Mouse were used. The list goes on.
Then there's the "no ID required to vote" bullshit. Don't get me started. >:(
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Yes! It was proven over and over. People even went on camera and bragged about signing multiple petitions, using bogus names, etc. Many people who DID NOT sign later found out their name was on a petition. Investigative reporters proved out of state "volunteers" signed using the hotel address as a resident address. Children's names were on petitions, bogus names like Mickey Mouse were used. The list goes on.
Then there's the "no ID required to vote" bullshit. Don't get me started. >:(
they bragged about committing fraud on TV? I gotta see this. Question, how do we know these were not republicans trying to destroy the recall attempt?
Looks like the games in this area of recalls go both ways in wisconin.
http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/05/05/wisconsin-democrats-allege-massive-fraud-in-gop-signature-gathering-on-recalls/
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if they met the signature requirements for a recall, then why shouldn't it have happened? The people don't have a lot of power left these days. If enough people are pissed off and they meet the requirements for a recall, I can't fathom why they shouldn't do it.
Ill agree with that, let the process work.
It has and the constituents have spoken loud and clear, will you join us in criticizing the dems when they flee the state again?
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I heard that one district had 120% voter turn out...and ppl still oppose voter id laws why?
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I found one state that says there needs to have been something illegal happen to be recalled and this source sites that state as being unlike most others in this area.
http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Laws_governing_recall_in_Minnesota
Several states have it on their books. Alaska, Georgia, Kansas, Minnesota, Montana, Rhode Island, and Washington.
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LOL. Fucking please. The examples of demo registration fraud in wisconsin are legion.
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yet democrats still protest voter id laws, why?
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Several states have it on their books. Alaska, Georgia, Kansas, Minnesota, Montana, Rhode Island, and Washington.
but not Wisconin and the others that allow recalls. I didn't know about those states you listed, thanks.
states without those requirements:
Arizona
California
Colorado
Idaho
Louisiana
Michigan
Nevada
New Jersey
North Dakota
Oregon
Wisconsin
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yet democrats still protest voter id laws, why?
go ask them, I'm no longer a dem ;D
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but seriously, how do we know that there are not people from the other party out there specifically trying to undermine a recall effort. If the people responsible for certifying the signatures drops the ball, who's fault is that?
Why would someone wanting to recall get on TV and brag about giving a bogus sig if they were not trying to undermine the process in the first place? That should be admitting a crime and they should be charged.
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and in some of those cases is it fraud or someone just being an asshole when they sign the petition. And if they can be challenged, what's the problem. Republicans probably looked through that list one by one.
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go ask them, I'm no longer a dem ;D
thank God for that ;) lol
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but seriously, how do we know that there are not people from the other party out there specifically trying to undermine a recall effort. If the people responsible for certifying the signatures drops the ball, who's fault is that?
Why would someone wanting to recall get on TV and brag about giving a bogus sig if they were not trying to undermine the process in the first place? That should be admitting a crime and they should be charged.
Seriously~ ::)
http://gab.wi.gov/about/introduction
Introduction to the G.A.B.
Providing for an informed populace and the integrity of government decision-making
The Wisconsin Government Accountability Board (G.A.B.) is charged with oversight of Wisconsin's campaign finance, elections, ethics, and lobbying laws.
The G.A.B. officially began work in January 2008. It was created a year earlier in 2007 Wisconsin Act 1, replacing the State Elections Board and the State Ethics Board.
The G.A.B. is made up of six former judges, nominated by a panel of four Wisconsin Appeals Court judges, appointed by the Governor and confirmed by the Senate. The six board members serve staggered six-year terms; one member's term expires each year. Both the Board and its staff must be non-partisan. For more information, see Ch. 15.60.
In a commentary titled “The Persistence of Partisan Election Administration,” Ohio State University law professor Daniel P. Tokaji states: “The best American model is Wisconsin’s Government Accountability Board, which consists of retired judges selected in a way that is designed to promote impartiality.”
Our Mission
The mission of the Board is to ensure accountability in government by enforcing ethics and lobbying laws, and to enhance representative democracy by ensuring the integrity of the electoral process. To carry out this mission, the G.A.B. and its staff direct their energies toward providing for an informed electorate. The G.A.B. is a source of information about the election process, and the activities and finances of candidates for public office.
The G.A.B. and its staff are committed to ensuring that Wisconsin elections are administered through open, fair and impartial procedures that guarantee that the vote of each individual counts, and that the will of the electorate prevails. The Board uses information technology and the Internet to make information readily available to the public about the financing of political campaigns, elections, lobbying, and financial interests of public officials. The Board and its staff are dedicated to enforcing the election, ethics, lobbying and campaign finance laws vigorously to reduce the opportunity for corruption and maintain public confidence in representative government.
http://gab.wi.gov/about/board-actions
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:o. He won't recover.
Seriously~ ::)
http://gab.wi.gov/about/introduction
Introduction to the G.A.B.
Providing for an informed populace and the integrity of government decision-making
The Wisconsin Government Accountability Board (G.A.B.) is charged with oversight of Wisconsin's campaign finance, elections, ethics, and lobbying laws.
The G.A.B. officially began work in January 2008. It was created a year earlier in 2007 Wisconsin Act 1, replacing the State Elections Board and the State Ethics Board.
The G.A.B. is made up of six former judges, nominated by a panel of four Wisconsin Appeals Court judges, appointed by the Governor and confirmed by the Senate. The six board members serve staggered six-year terms; one member's term expires each year. Both the Board and its staff must be non-partisan. For more information, see Ch. 15.60.
In a commentary titled “The Persistence of Partisan Election Administration,” Ohio State University law professor Daniel P. Tokaji states: “The best American model is Wisconsin’s Government Accountability Board, which consists of retired judges selected in a way that is designed to promote impartiality.”
Our Mission
The mission of the Board is to ensure accountability in government by enforcing ethics and lobbying laws, and to enhance representative democracy by ensuring the integrity of the electoral process. To carry out this mission, the G.A.B. and its staff direct their energies toward providing for an informed electorate. The G.A.B. is a source of information about the election process, and the activities and finances of candidates for public office.
The G.A.B. and its staff are committed to ensuring that Wisconsin elections are administered through open, fair and impartial procedures that guarantee that the vote of each individual counts, and that the will of the electorate prevails. The Board uses information technology and the Internet to make information readily available to the public about the financing of political campaigns, elections, lobbying, and financial interests of public officials. The Board and its staff are dedicated to enforcing the election, ethics, lobbying and campaign finance laws vigorously to reduce the opportunity for corruption and maintain public confidence in representative government.
http://gab.wi.gov/about/board-actions
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and in some of those cases is it fraud or someone just being an asshole when they sign the petition. And if they can be challenged, what's the problem. Republicans probably looked through that list one by one.
They didn't. And even if they did, there was/is nothing they could do about it. It's up to the GAB. A board appointed by the previous (D) reign.
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:o. He won't recover.
::) now I'm not even allowed to ask questions? I'm not even freaking picking sides in this bullshit.
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Seriously~ ::)
http://gab.wi.gov/about/introduction
Introduction to the G.A.B.
Providing for an informed populace and the integrity of government decision-making
The Wisconsin Government Accountability Board (G.A.B.) is charged with oversight of Wisconsin's campaign finance, elections, ethics, and lobbying laws.
The G.A.B. officially began work in January 2008. It was created a year earlier in 2007 Wisconsin Act 1, replacing the State Elections Board and the State Ethics Board.
The G.A.B. is made up of six former judges, nominated by a panel of four Wisconsin Appeals Court judges, appointed by the Governor and confirmed by the Senate. The six board members serve staggered six-year terms; one member's term expires each year. Both the Board and its staff must be non-partisan. For more information, see Ch. 15.60.
In a commentary titled “The Persistence of Partisan Election Administration,” Ohio State University law professor Daniel P. Tokaji states: “The best American model is Wisconsin’s Government Accountability Board, which consists of retired judges selected in a way that is designed to promote impartiality.”
Our Mission
The mission of the Board is to ensure accountability in government by enforcing ethics and lobbying laws, and to enhance representative democracy by ensuring the integrity of the electoral process. To carry out this mission, the G.A.B. and its staff direct their energies toward providing for an informed electorate. The G.A.B. is a source of information about the election process, and the activities and finances of candidates for public office.
The G.A.B. and its staff are committed to ensuring that Wisconsin elections are administered through open, fair and impartial procedures that guarantee that the vote of each individual counts, and that the will of the electorate prevails. The Board uses information technology and the Internet to make information readily available to the public about the financing of political campaigns, elections, lobbying, and financial interests of public officials. The Board and its staff are dedicated to enforcing the election, ethics, lobbying and campaign finance laws vigorously to reduce the opportunity for corruption and maintain public confidence in representative government.
http://gab.wi.gov/about/board-actions
I don't see how this post answers any of my questions.
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yet democrats still protest voter id laws, why?
And in spite of all their efforts, they still lost! ;)
They pushed really hard to keep voter ID requirements out of this election.
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I don't see how this post answers any of my questions.
You're not seeing the whole picture. The GAB is responsible for verifying signatures and they refused to do so. If Walker wanted to challenge them, it would've cost more taxpayer money AND he would not have been given sufficient time to do so (some absurd amount of time like 2 weeks to verify a million).
Did you even listen to the dude bragging about signing 80 times? ::) This is the caliber of people we're dealing with.
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They didn't. And even if they did, there was/is nothing they could do about it. It's up to the GAB. A board appointed by the previous (D) reign.
In the video link you posted, the GAB says they can be challenged. They said they would not strike them unless challenged. I assume that's a challenge coming from outside the GAB which is what the person suggests asking questions too.
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In the video link you posted, the GAB says they can be challenged. They said they would not strike them unless challenged. I assume that's a challenge coming from outside the GAB which is what the person suggests asking questions too.
Let's not strike Adolf Hitler ::) pullleeezze
Yes, Walker could've challenged, but he didn't. There were/are more important issues to deal with. Not to mention, the cost of challenging and the fact that he wouldn't have been given sufficient time to do so.
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If Wisonsin law states that the "burden of challenging signatures is on the office-holder being targeted." Then it is, isn't it? And if that's a bad thing, then push to have the law changed.
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Let's not strike Adolf Hitler ::) pullleeezze
Yes, Walker could've challenged, but he didn't. There were/are more important issues to deal with. Not to mention, the cost of challenging and the fact that he wouldn't have been given sufficient time to do so.
He probably could have had thousands of people overnight volunteer to do that .
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also, the GAB said they would look for and strike duplicates as ordered by a judge. Did they just not do that?
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Another glaring example of of how useless the GAB is.
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/138975374.html
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would walker still have won, if they had equal money to spend? of course not. but repubs from 50 states gave to this race, he ran against a guy that the voters already saw as a douche, and he gets to keep his job.
I guess the 'win' is in there somewhere. He didn't get fired, but he needed to outspend 12-to-1 to keep his job. Kinda like borrow from every relative you have, to buy your girlfriend a diamond ring, so she won't dump you. You get the 'win' today, but you're still a dickbag in the long run.
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Probably just to remind you that the unions got another well-deserved bitch slapping, junior.
unions didn't get bitch slapped
they got murdered
soon things will start getting better for everyone
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also, the GAB said they would look for and strike duplicates as ordered by a judge. Did they just not do that?
That is correct! They did not.
There are dozens of signatures on one form. If a name appeared twice on one form, they may have struck it, but they did not cross reference. Also, if a name appeared as John Smith, John Q. Smith, John Quincy Smith, Johnathon Smith, etc., all names were kept.
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If Wisonsin law states that the "burden of challenging signatures is on the office-holder being targeted." Then it is, isn't it? And if that's a bad thing, then push to have the law changed.
Are you kidding me!?!11? It's just that kind of thing that sends them into hiding out in other states.
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Are you kidding me!?!11? It's just that kind of thing that sends them into hiding out in other states.
I don't get it. send who hiding? If the rules for a recall say that the onus is on Walker to challenge signatures then how is that anyone else's fault if they don't get challenged? If it's a bad law, it needs changed. I don't get the hide in other states comment?
There's always going to be nutbags trying to manipulate elections. That's never going to go away.
How many sigs did they collect over the amount needed? If it's a huge number over, I doubt there was enough fraud to account for it.
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would walker still have won, if they had equal money to spend? of course not. but repubs from 50 states gave to this race, he ran against a guy that the voters already saw as a douche, and he gets to keep his job.
You're right about one thing. The douche still gets to keep his job - Barrett; the Mayor of Milwaukee.
Looks like you've been brainwashed by the national liberal media. Just WHAT SPECIFICALLY has Walker done wrong? Balanced the budget? Lowered taxes? Created jobs? What?
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I don't get it. send who hiding? If the rules for a recall say that the onus is on Walker to challenge signatures then how is that anyone else's fault if they don't get challenged? If it's a bad law, it needs changed. I don't get the hide in other states comment?
This statement just reaffirms the fact that people outside of this state are not being fully informed by the national media.
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You're right about one thing. The douche still gets to keep his job - Barrett; the Mayor of Milwaukee.
Looks like you've been brainwashed by the national liberal media. Just WHAT SPECIFICALLY has Walker done wrong? Balanced the budget? Lowered taxes? Created jobs? What?
I dislike Walker because he admitted, in his own words, that he considered planting 'troublemakers' into a peaceful, non-violent crowd to serve his political goals.
That is MAJORLY wrong. You have tens of thousands of people, and you send 'troublemakers' in there to turn it into a riot, where people get hurt, arrested, or worse.
he chose not to incite violence among peaceful, law-abiding protesters only because he thought it'd refelect poorly on him.
He's a douche because of this. that's just about evil.
Murphy: Right, right. Well, we’ll back you any way we can. But, uh, what we were thinking about the crowds was, uh, was planting some troublemakers.
Walker: You know, the, well, the only problem with that — because we thought about that. The problem — the, my only gut reaction to that is right now the lawmakers I’ve talked to have just completely had it with them, the public is not really fond of this. The teachers union did some polling of focus groups, I think, and found out that the public turned on ’em the minute they closed school down for a couple days. The guys we’ve got left are largely from out of state, and I keep dismissing it in all my press conferences saying, ‘Eh, they’re mostly from out of state.’My only fear would be is if there was a ruckus caused is that that would scare the public into thinking maybe the governor has gotta settle to avoid all these problems. You know, whereas, I’ve said,‘Hey, you know, we can handle this, people can protest. This is Madison, you know, full of the ’60s liberals. Let ’em protest.’It’s not gonna affect us. And as long as we go back to our homes and the majority of the people are telling us we’re doing the right thing, let ’em protest all they want. Um, so that’s my gut reaction, is that I think it’s actually good if they’re constant, they’re noisy, but they’re quiet, nothing happens, ’cause sooner or later the media stops finding ’em interesting.
Read more: http://host.madison.com/article_531276b6-3f6a-11e0-b288-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz1x4v1FcWQ
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This statement just reaffirms the fact that people outside of this state are not being fully informed by the national media.
what did I miss then and what does it have to do with my comment on wisconsin recall laws?
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what did I miss then and what does it have to do with my comment on wisconsin recall laws?
You're not aware of the HUGE fiasco in Feb. '11 where the entire (D) senate fled to Illinois for over a month to avoid dealing with the collective bargaining bill? The incident that got this whole mess rolling?
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I dislike Walker because he admitted, in his own words, that he considered planting 'troublemakers' into a peaceful, non-violent crowd to serve his political goals.
That is MAJORLY wrong. You have tens of thousands of people, and you send 'troublemakers' in there to turn it into a riot, where people get hurt, arrested, or worse.
he chose not to incite violence among peaceful, law-abiding protesters only because he thought it'd refelect poorly on him.
He's a douche because of this. that's just about evil.
Murphy: Right, right. Well, we’ll back you any way we can. But, uh, what we were thinking about the crowds was, uh, was planting some troublemakers.
Walker: You know, the, well, the only problem with that — because we thought about that. The problem — the, my only gut reaction to that is right now the lawmakers I’ve talked to have just completely had it with them, the public is not really fond of this. The teachers union did some polling of focus groups, I think, and found out that the public turned on ’em the minute they closed school down for a couple days. The guys we’ve got left are largely from out of state, and I keep dismissing it in all my press conferences saying, ‘Eh, they’re mostly from out of state.’My only fear would be is if there was a ruckus caused is that that would scare the public into thinking maybe the governor has gotta settle to avoid all these problems. You know, whereas, I’ve said,‘Hey, you know, we can handle this, people can protest. This is Madison, you know, full of the ’60s liberals. Let ’em protest.’It’s not gonna affect us. And as long as we go back to our homes and the majority of the people are telling us we’re doing the right thing, let ’em protest all they want. Um, so that’s my gut reaction, is that I think it’s actually good if they’re constant, they’re noisy, but they’re quiet, nothing happens, ’cause sooner or later the media stops finding ’em interesting.
Read more: http://host.madison.com/article_531276b6-3f6a-11e0-b288-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz1x4v1FcWQ
You're basing your entire opinion on a fleeting thought? When was violence even mentioned?
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You're not aware of the HUGE fiasco in Feb. '11 where the entire (D) senate fled to Illinois for over a month to avoid dealing with the collective bargaining bill? The incident that got this whole mess rolling?
yes I remember that. I didn't understand what you meant. So pushing for a law to change something like that won't work because the dems will flee? There's always ballot initiatives if you're worried about that. Doesn't seem like something they would flee over though... how many times has that happened?
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yes I remember that. I didn't understand what you meant. So pushing for a law to change something like that won't work because the dems will flee? There's always ballot initiatives if you're worried about that. Doesn't seem like something they would flee over though... how many times has that happened?
I was being sarcastic. Regardless, if it doesn't serve them and their agenda, they will find some way to not let it pass.
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Brothers and sisters of America.
It's time to come together as one.
USA! USA! USA!
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Oh, this is nice.... That's one way to pull out a win lol
"There have been a number of reports of Wisconsin residents receiving calls saying that their signature on the recall petition counts as their vote."
http://www.minnpost.com/glean/2012/06/dirty-tricks-robo-calling-reported-final-hours-wisconsin-recall
"A call placed to that number came back with a voicemail saying the caller had reached the Wisconsin Republican Party."
http://wchbnewsdetroit.com/2410130/scott-walker-recall-democratic-state-senator-asks-for-voter-fraud-investigation/
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would walker still have won, if they had equal money to spend? of course not. repubs from 50 states gave to this race, he ran against a guy that the voters already saw as a douche, and he gets to keep his job.
I guess the 'win' is in there somewhere. He didn't get fired, but he needed to outspend 12-to-1 to keep his job. Kinda like borrow from every relative you have, to buy your girlfriend a diamond ring, so she won't dump you. You get the 'win' today, but you're still a dickbag in the long run.
You'll grab any pile of shit and run with it.
Seriously.
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Got to love how the leftists are crying about money when Obama swamped McCain in money and the left never said a damn thing.
Hey i thoughts you sopprted free market capitalism :P
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You'll grab any pile of shit and run with it.
Seriously.
LOL yes he does
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Oh, this is nice.... That's one way to pull out a win lol
"There have been a number of reports of Wisconsin residents receiving calls saying that their signature on the recall petition counts as their vote."
http://www.minnpost.com/glean/2012/06/dirty-tricks-robo-calling-reported-final-hours-wisconsin-recall
"A call placed to that number came back with a voicemail saying the caller had reached the Wisconsin Republican Party."
http://wchbnewsdetroit.com/2410130/scott-walker-recall-democratic-state-senator-asks-for-voter-fraud-investigation/
Oh brother ::)
It figures Lena "Don't You Know Who I Am" Taylor is behind the allegations ::)
She is the biggest lying, deceitful, fraud leading, classless, POS, out there. She's the loud mouth, ghetto trash talking Senator from District 4 (look it up) who has repeatedly been caught assisting in voter fraud (she makes sure her hands are clean tho), consistently votes against anything that makes sense (voter ID, mining bill), pulls the "don'tcha know who I am" card whenever it suits her (traffic tickets, airline flight upgrades), incites near riot demonstrations, calls for boycotting small businesses who do not support the recall Walker campaign... she's always bitching about something. She's one of those who screamed the loudest regarding the voter ID law. Of course she doesn't support voter ID. It would make it much more difficult to pay people off with cigarettes, beer and hotdogs for votes. She is an embarrassment to the position and to the state.
The robocalls apparently did occur, but they did not come out of the Walker campaign. It's under investigation.
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would walker still have won, if they had equal money to spend? of course not.
Oh look, the board's resident liar pulling more assertions out of thin air.
Got any proof to back that bold claim up? I won't hold my breath waiting.
I still can't stop laughing at how butt hurt you are over this. It's even funnier when you take into account your claims of not caring while you simultaneously log dozens of posts about it.
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:). Go to love how devastated the leftists are over this. Had walker lost they would have been dancing in the streets.
The leftist agenda has been rejected, get over it.
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Oh brother ::)
It figures Lena "Don't You Know Who I Am" Taylor is behind the allegations ::)
She is the biggest lying, deceitful, fraud leading, classless, POS, out there. She's the loud mouth, ghetto trash talking Senator from District 4 (look it up) who has repeatedly been caught assisting in voter fraud (she makes sure her hands are clean tho), consistently votes against anything that makes sense (voter ID, mining bill), pulls the "don'tcha know who I am" card whenever it suits her (traffic tickets, airline flight upgrades), incites near riot demonstrations, calls for boycotting small businesses who do not support the recall Walker campaign... she's always bitching about something. She's one of those who screamed the loudest regarding the voter ID law. Of course she doesn't support voter ID. It would make it much more difficult to pay people off with cigarettes, beer and hotdogs for votes. She is an embarrassment to the position and to the state.
The robocalls apparently did occur, but they did not come out of the Walker campaign. It's under investigation.
Will you be voting for her in the next election?
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when you have a crowd of tens of thousands peacful - and you introduce 'troublemakers' - its' very likely that violence will erupt.
And that leads to people getting KILLED. If you've seen 70,000 people in one park, you know what potential such an uncontrolled mass of people can bring.
And walker was okay with that possible outcome - he just didn't want it to reflect on him negatively.
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:). Go to love how devastated the leftists are over this. Had walker lost they would have been dancing in the streets.
The leftist agenda has been rejected, get over it.
Im confused you bash the "left" all the time in here but you know you are the biggest "leftie" on this board? How is that? Stockholm syndrome?
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when you have a crowd of tens of thousands peacful - and you introduce 'troublemakers' - its' very likely that violence will erupt.
And that leads to people getting KILLED. If you've seen 70,000 people in one park, you know what potential such an uncontrolled mass of people can bring.
And walker was okay with that possible outcome - he just didn't want it to reflect on him negatively.
STFU. You never said shit when Obama backed SEIU and ACORN were showing up at AIG execs houses, beating up people etc.
What the hell happened to you bro?
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Im confused you bash the "left" all the time in here but you know you are the biggest "leftie" on this board? How is that? Stockholm syndrome?
STFU. You say you like Ron Paul yet disagree with everything he stands for.
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STFU. You never said shit when Obama backed SEIU and ACORN were showing up at AIG execs houses, beating up people etc.
What the hell happened to you bro?
??? Walker's actions are independent of obama's.
A serial killer can't say "look, jurors, yall didn't convict ted bundy, so how can you convict me..."
weak ass shit argument bro.
this is about walker - and if he even CONSIDERED sending troublemakers into a peaceful crowd of 70,000 - knowing damn well the risks - then he is a shitstain. Sure, obama, acorn, seui, they're all shitstains too. But if walker considered it - and in his words, he certainly did - it's shitstain city. Period. The governor of a state considered inciting a peaceful crowd to meet his political goals. Sad.
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??? Walker's actions are independent of obama's.
A serial killer can't say "look, jurors, yall didn't convict ted bundy, so how can you convict me..."
weak ass shit argument bro.
this is about walker - and if he even CONSIDERED sending troublemakers into a peaceful crowd of 70,000 - knowing damn well the risks - then he is a shitstain. Sure, obama, acorn, seui, they're all shitstains too. But if walker considered it - and in his words, he certainly did - it's shitstain city. Period. The governor of a state considered inciting a peaceful crowd to meet his political goals. Sad.
Oh STFU you lying sack of shit.
I can't believe how far you have fallen. You are a joke for the last year.
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Sure, obama, acorn, seui, they're all shitstains
That's funny, I don't remember any post started by you on this subject: "Sure, obama, acorn, seui, they're all shitstains "...
Maybe I just missed them.... ::)
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3333 in ballistic meltdown mode again today... lol..
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3333 in ballistic meltdown mode again today... lol..
Like I said - I am laughing loudly and very happy about the complete wrecking the entire left wing and obama cultists are taking lately.
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Will you be voting for her in the next election?
Fortunately, I'm far removed from that district!
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Oh STFU you lying sack of shit.
I can't believe how far you have fallen. You are a joke for the last year.
personal attack on me aside - what about the point of my post - should a gov consider inciting a crowd of peaceful people - in order to reach his political goals? Are you okay with a dem governor sending agents into a crowd of 80k peaceful tea partiers to incite things?
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personal attack on me aside - what about the point of my post - should a gov consider inciting a crowd of peaceful people - in order to reach his political goals? Are you okay with a dem governor sending agents into a crowd of 80k peaceful tea partiers to incite things?
its politics and this shit happens all the time. The same way demos sent operatives to town halls and mccain events etc.
Just face it and man up - your leftist icons and slavish loyalty to these liberal locusts has rendered you an idiot for all to see.
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STFU. You say you like Ron Paul yet disagree with everything he stands for.
Damn, you're so tough.
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Damn, you're so tough.
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STFU. You say you like Ron Paul yet disagree with everything he stands for.
Im closer to RP than you will ever be. You are a Neocon far away from anything RP stands for.
Whats ironic is that you are also job-less making your claims even more ridicilous
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Spending Gap? Media Ignores $21 Million Unions Spent in WI
Big Journalism ^ | 6/06/2012 | Ben Shapiro
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:51:23 AM by iowamark
The spin from the left on the morning after their disastrous Wisconsin recall election failure is that Governor Scott Walker (R-WI), who walked away with the election, did so because he spent oodles of money.
Politico’s takeaway: “Money shouts.” “Walker wins one for the plutocrats,” trumpeted Joan Walsh of Salon.com. “Outspent 7-1, Democrats couldn’t beat Scott Walker with a strong ground game.” Media Matters’ favorite Washington Post columnist, Greg Sargent, cited the Citizens United decision allowing corporate political spending no less than five times in his recap of the election – despite the fact that not one dollar spent in Wisconsin would have been illegal before Citizens United. The Post’s Chris Cillizza said, “Being outspent 10-1 (or worse) is never a recipe for success in a race. Democrats cried foul over Walker’s exploitation of a loophole that allowed him to collect unlimited contributions prior to the official announcement of the recall in late March.” Daily Kos said that with Walker’s spending edge, “It shouldn’t even be close.”
This is false...
On the surface, then, it appears that Walker had a tremendous cash advantage.
Not so fast. As it turns out, labor unions spent an additional $21 million on the recall election. When it came to state senate recall elections back in September 2011, Democrats outspent Republicans $23.4 million to $20.5 million...
In terms of strict numbers, Walker spent some $30 million; Barrett and the unions spent $25 million. That’s not a 7-to-1 differential. And when you add in unions’ inherent advantage in ground game, you’re talking about a better-than-even split for Barrett.
Scott Walker won last night because he is a good governor...
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
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"Not so fast. As it turns out, labor unions spent an additional $21 million on the recall election. When it came to state senate recall elections back in September 2011, Democrats outspent Republicans $23.4 million to $20.5 million..."
All Barrett had to do was raise $3 million more and he would have guaranteed himself victory?
It's a well known and irrefutable fact that Barrett would have won if he raised the same amount of money as Walker, so it's gotta be tough to know that you were 90% of the way to undeniable victory on election night only to end up losing by nearly double digits.
Damn...he was soooo close.
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"Not so fast. As it turns out, labor unions spent an additional $21 million on the recall election. When it came to state senate recall elections back in September 2011, Democrats outspent Republicans $23.4 million to $20.5 million..."
Also, the $ gap in campaign funds is grossly misleading. No one is reporting the tens of millions spent by the the other side for the recall effort (ie; out of state workers forging getting petitions signed, the Falk campaign, etc.
Thank you!
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/06/07/no-dems-were-not-outspent-7-to-1-in-wisconsin/
You’ll find less shouty, but still misleading, versions of this all over the media, e.g., Reuters, NPR, and the WaPo’s Greg Sargent (who is shockingly more accurate at the margin on this one). They are all following the lead of Obama campaign flack Jim Messina, who is trying to raise money off the claim that conservative groups “were willing to spend nearly EIGHT times as much money as the Democratic candidate and his allies raised.”
These claims, depending on the phraseology, range from misleading to flatly false, even based on the sources from which the claims are made.
The spending story stems from a release by the liberal Center for Public Integrity, which took based its analysis on data from the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign (ostensibly nonpartisan, but a past recipient of Soros money and the sort of group whose director told CPI the spending was “outrageous and wrong”). However, according to that data, when you combine the spending of the candidates and their supporting groups, the gap shrinks to 2-to-1.
Moreover, it is a fair bet those figures do not include all of the money spent by left-leaning groups on all candidates in the recall.
Indeed, it should be underscored that the left/media here is focused entirely on spending in the gubernatorial recall, when this election was just one of many the left attempted to turn into referenda on Gov. Walker’s public-sector collective bargaining reforms. If once considers the total amounts spent during the Days of Cheesehead Rage on state senate recall elections, Supreme Court elections and so on in 2011-12, the gap shrinks to roughly 1.5-to-1.
Lastly, these figures only account for sums legally required to be publicly reported (and assumes those sums are properly quantified). Rutgers University economist Leo Troy has estimated that actual union political spending is likely several times higher than generally reported. There is no reason to think otherwise in this case.
In short, it is not clear the left was outspent in its attempts to reverse Gov. Walker’s reforms. And the widely-repeated claim that the left was outspent by more than 7-to-1 in the most recent recall election is clearly false.
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The best part is that it is 20 million or so right down the toilet they don't have now for November and they got literally nothing for it.
Thank you!
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/06/07/no-dems-were-not-outspent-7-to-1-in-wisconsin/
You’ll find less shouty, but still misleading, versions of this all over the media, e.g., Reuters, NPR, and the WaPo’s Greg Sargent (who is shockingly more accurate at the margin on this one). They are all following the lead of Obama campaign flack Jim Messina, who is trying to raise money off the claim that conservative groups “were willing to spend nearly EIGHT times as much money as the Democratic candidate and his allies raised.”
These claims, depending on the phraseology, range from misleading to flatly false, even based on the sources from which the claims are made.
The spending story stems from a release by the liberal Center for Public Integrity, which took based its analysis on data from the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign (ostensibly nonpartisan, but a past recipient of Soros money and the sort of group whose director told CPI the spending was “outrageous and wrong”). However, according to that data, when you combine the spending of the candidates and their supporting groups, the gap shrinks to 2-to-1.
Moreover, it is a fair bet those figures do not include all of the money spent by left-leaning groups on all candidates in the recall.
Indeed, it should be underscored that the left/media here is focused entirely on spending in the gubernatorial recall, when this election was just one of many the left attempted to turn into referenda on Gov. Walker’s public-sector collective bargaining reforms. If once considers the total amounts spent during the Days of Cheesehead Rage on state senate recall elections, Supreme Court elections and so on in 2011-12, the gap shrinks to roughly 1.5-to-1.
Lastly, these figures only account for sums legally required to be publicly reported (and assumes those sums are properly quantified). Rutgers University economist Leo Troy has estimated that actual union political spending is likely several times higher than generally reported. There is no reason to think otherwise in this case.
In short, it is not clear the left was outspent in its attempts to reverse Gov. Walker’s reforms. And the widely-repeated claim that the left was outspent by more than 7-to-1 in the most recent recall election is clearly false.
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The best part is that it is 20 million or so right down the toilet they don't have now for November and they got literally nothing for it.
Well, there is a senate seat in District 21. If you checked out DU or HP, the lefties there are chest-bumping each other about that.....even though that race is likely headed for a recount and, if it holds, the Dems will control the Wisconsin Senate.
Did I mention that the Senate is closed for the rest of the year and there's a regular election this November, with most of the libs' seatson the line?
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Sad that these people were willing to put into office a milk-toast, stand for nothing candidate who has been pushing endlessly a $100 million dollar trolly that goes barely 2 miles and would hardly get used. ::)
AND another $55 million to relocate utilities for the trolley. ::)
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Spending Gap? Media Ignores $21 Million Unions Spent in WI
Big Journalism ^ | 6/06/2012 | Ben Shapiro
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:51:23 AM by iowamark
The spin from the left on the morning after their disastrous Wisconsin recall election failure is that Governor Scott Walker (R-WI), who walked away with the election, did so because he spent oodles of money.
Politico’s takeaway: “Money shouts.” “Walker wins one for the plutocrats,” trumpeted Joan Walsh of Salon.com. “Outspent 7-1, Democrats couldn’t beat Scott Walker with a strong ground game.” Media Matters’ favorite Washington Post columnist, Greg Sargent, cited the Citizens United decision allowing corporate political spending no less than five times in his recap of the election – despite the fact that not one dollar spent in Wisconsin would have been illegal before Citizens United. The Post’s Chris Cillizza said, “Being outspent 10-1 (or worse) is never a recipe for success in a race. Democrats cried foul over Walker’s exploitation of a loophole that allowed him to collect unlimited contributions prior to the official announcement of the recall in late March.” Daily Kos said that with Walker’s spending edge, “It shouldn’t even be close.”
This is false...
On the surface, then, it appears that Walker had a tremendous cash advantage.
Not so fast. As it turns out, labor unions spent an additional $21 million on the recall election. When it came to state senate recall elections back in September 2011, Democrats outspent Republicans $23.4 million to $20.5 million...
In terms of strict numbers, Walker spent some $30 million; Barrett and the unions spent $25 million. That’s not a 7-to-1 differential. And when you add in unions’ inherent advantage in ground game, you’re talking about a better-than-even split for Barrett.
Scott Walker won last night because he is a good governor...
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
As I asked the delusional folks on HP, there was a reported $63 million spent there. Walker used $34 million; where was the other $29 million?
It's simple math. The lefties are looking for anything to excuse the fact they got beat down and beat up Tuesday.
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Sad that these people were willing to put into office a milk-toast, stand for nothing candidate who has been pushing endlessly a $100 million dollar trolly that goes barely 2 miles and would hardly get used. ::)
AND another $55 million to relocate utilities for the trolley. ::)
Not to mention the fact that he mis-reported to the fed crime stats in Milwaukee making it appear that crime rates have been reduced under his reign. As many as 1300 VIOLENT crimes were purposely categorized as non-violent.
Not only is he fiscally irresponsible, he's also deceitful.
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All the Republicans are good, and all of the Democrats are bad.
OR
All the Democrats are good, and all of the Republicans are bad.
End of thread.
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All the Republicans are good, and all of the Democrats are bad.
OR
All the Democrats are good, and all of the Republicans are bad.
End of thread.
I know this, that Democrats make for very bad liars. They always get caught and when they do, they don't stand their ground or they try to change the subject.
In terms of strict numbers, Walker spent some $30 million; Barrett and the unions spent $25 million. That’s not a 7-to-1 differential. And when you add in unions’ inherent advantage in ground game, you’re talking about a better-than-even split for Barrett.
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I know this, that Democrats make for very bad liars. They always get caught and when they do, they don't stand their ground or they try to change the subject.
In terms of strict numbers, Walker spent some $30 million; Barrett and the unions spent $25 million. That’s not a 7-to-1 differential. And when you add in unions’ inherent advantage in ground game, you’re talking about a better-than-even split for Barrett.
Great analysis.
Keep posting.
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inciting riots approved thread.
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inciting riots approved thread.
Hippocratic oath violation approved reply
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Spending Gap? Media Ignores $21 Million Unions Spent in WI
Big Journalism ^ | 6/06/2012 | Ben Shapiro
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:51:23 AM by iowamark
The spin from the left on the morning after their disastrous Wisconsin recall election failure is that Governor Scott Walker (R-WI), who walked away with the election, did so because he spent oodles of money.
Politico’s takeaway: “Money shouts.” “Walker wins one for the plutocrats,” trumpeted Joan Walsh of Salon.com. “Outspent 7-1, Democrats couldn’t beat Scott Walker with a strong ground game.” Media Matters’ favorite Washington Post columnist, Greg Sargent, cited the Citizens United decision allowing corporate political spending no less than five times in his recap of the election – despite the fact that not one dollar spent in Wisconsin would have been illegal before Citizens United. The Post’s Chris Cillizza said, “Being outspent 10-1 (or worse) is never a recipe for success in a race. Democrats cried foul over Walker’s exploitation of a loophole that allowed him to collect unlimited contributions prior to the official announcement of the recall in late March.” Daily Kos said that with Walker’s spending edge, “It shouldn’t even be close.”
This is false...
On the surface, then, it appears that Walker had a tremendous cash advantage.
Not so fast. As it turns out, labor unions spent an additional $21 million on the recall election. When it came to state senate recall elections back in September 2011, Democrats outspent Republicans $23.4 million to $20.5 million...
In terms of strict numbers, Walker spent some $30 million; Barrett and the unions spent $25 million. That’s not a 7-to-1 differential. And when you add in unions’ inherent advantage in ground game, you’re talking about a better-than-even split for Barrett.
Scott Walker won last night because he is a good governor...
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
wow - what a suprise that Breitbart is using numbers that can't actually be sourced
This is the only thing that Breitbart links as support of the claim in his story
http://www.maciverinstitute.com/2012/06/big-labor-recall-total-to-exceed-20-million/
btw 333 -when are you going to learn how to post an actual link to story?
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wow - what a suprise that Breitbart is using numbers that can't actually be sourced
This is the only thing that Breitbart links as support of the claim in his story
http://www.maciverinstitute.com/2012/06/big-labor-recall-total-to-exceed-20-million/
btw 333 -when are you going to learn how to post an actual link to story?
Straw how does it feel knowing Obama and the entire demo party is going to get landslided in november?
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Straw how does it feel knowing Obama and the entire demo party is going to get landslided in november?
how is that going even be possible since you believe that the Dems are going to throw Obama off the ticket ........or is that that he is going to throw himself off?
I can never keep track of your delusional nonsense?
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how is that going even be possible since you believe that the Dems are going to throw Obama off the ticket ........or is that that he is going to throw himself off?
I can never keep track of your delusional nonsense?
At this rate many dems wish obama would step down and let hillary run. He is destroying the democrat party and you clowns just sit by and let it happen. LOL.
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At this rate many dems wish obama would step down and let hillary run. He is destroying the democrat party and you clowns just sit by and let it happen. LOL.
I haven't heard any credible dem say that much less the "many" or "at this rate"
you do know the voices in your head don't actually count as real people... right?
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I haven't heard any credible dem say that much less the "many" or "at this rate"
you do know the voices in your head don't actually count as real people... right?
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/06/08/liberals-threaten-not-to-vote-in-november-over-disappointment-with-obama
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http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/06/08/liberals-threaten-not-to-vote-in-november-over-disappointment-with-obama
good lord you must suck as an attorney
I read the article and there wasn't one word about "many dems" wanting to throw Obama off the ticket and replacing him with Hilary
That was the point you were trying to make....remember?
they did say that about a dozen out of the approximately 2700 "liberals" that were at this convention were dissapointed with him (~ .0044%) and one person said she might consider writing in another name is protest
Is that your proof of "many"
1 person out of 2700 and that person never mentions throwing Obama off the ballot or replacing him with Hilary
Seriously dude - are you the worst lawyer on the planet or just one of the worst?
At this rate many dems wish obama would step down and let hillary run.
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good lord you must suck as an attorney
I read the article and there wasn't one word about "many dems" wanting to throw Obama off the ticket and replacing him with Hilary
That was the point you were trying to make....remember?
they did say that about a dozen out of the approximately 2700 "liberals" that were at this convention were dissapointed with him (~ .0044%) and one person said she might consider writing in another name is protest
Is that your proof of "many"
1 person out of 2700 and that person never mentions throwing Obama off the ballot or replacing him with Hilary
Seriously dude - are you the worst lawyer on the planet or just one of the worst?
Just wait straw - just like you NEVER saw the mid term disaster coming, the same in November.
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Just wait straw - just like you NEVER saw the mid term disaster coming, the same in November.
I never said I didn't see it coming
EVERYONE saw it coming
I just said I didn't believe it was going to be that bad and admitted I was wrong after I was in fact proved wrong
BFD
The result of the 2010 election was bad for everyone but most especially Repubs because they can't reign in their crazy teabaggers and actually get anything done
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I never said I didn't see it coming
EVERYONE saw it coming
I just said I didn't believe it was going to be that bad and admitted I was wrong after I was in fact proved wrong
BFD
The result of the 2010 election was bad for everyone but most especially Repubs because they can't reign in their crazy teabaggers and actually get anything done
lmfao!!!!!
HARRY REID ANYONE?
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"Private sector is doing fine" the answer is more govt workers.
I wonder why obama didnt make a trip to wisconsin to push that message?
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"Private sector is doing fine" the answer is more govt workers.
I wonder why obama didnt make a trip to wisconsin to push that message?
Obama has got to be the dumbest person on the planet to say that.
I dont think he even understands how to make pocket change after today.