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The union that represents Border Patrol agents in Southern Arizona and around the country called today for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to resign.
The National Border Patrol Council cited Holder’s alleged dishonesty about Operation Fast and Furious in making the call. That ATF-led operation put guns from Arizona in the hands of Mexican organized-crime groups, and two of those guns were found at the scene west of Rio Rico where Agent Brian Terry was shot to death in December 2010.
http://azstarnet.com/news/state-and-regional/article_77337770-b97b-11e1-b735-001a4bcf887a.html
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That will probably be the first union that the Left will disown.
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That will probably be the first union that the Left will disown.
youre good with this union?
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Your good w holder and obama? Two accessories to murder.
youre good with this union?
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youre good with this union?
All public unions should be banned.
Are you ok with this union?
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All public unions should be banned.
Are you ok with this union?
You dont think (public) workers should have rights?
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You dont think (public) workers should have rights?
They don't have the right to force the tax payers to pay exorbitant wages. They don't have the right to bankrupt communities and states. They shouldn't expect to get paid the same or receive even more during economic downturns.
They don't like it, they can try to find jobs somewhere else. I am sure there are plenty of people willing to take those jobs at a more reasonable salary. CUT THE USELESS FAT!!!
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They don't have the right to force the tax payers to pay exorbitant wages. They don't have the right to bankrupt communities and states. They shouldn't expect to get paid the same or receive even more during economic downturns.
They don't like it, they can try to find jobs somewhere else. I am sure there are plenty of people willing to take those jobs at a more reasonable salary. CUT THE USELESS FAT!!!
Okay
Whats your take on Wall Street and bank CEO's and employees receiving huge bonuses and benefits only made possible because the government leases them money at a low rate and then lending them back to us? Our own money that is.
But you freak out over low paid teachers and cops?
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That will probably be the first union that the Left will disown.
and the first one that the repubs think is necessary
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Your good w holder and obama? Two accessories to murder.
are you for real... because you know where this can go right.... i can have a fun morning with your dumb ass
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:). Only a 95er could possibly defend obama and holder in this. Shame on you for putting race over reality on this. Obama and holder are covering up a murder for gods sake.
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:). Only a 95er could possibly defend obama and holder in this. Shame on you for putting race over reality on this. Obama and holder are covering up a murder for gods sake.
I just asked if thats where you wanna go with it... Because i could fundamentally destroy you.
So detail out, how Obama is an Asseory to murder. And boy, you better come correct because i got shit tons of ammo on this one...So think before you type... it can get ugly... fast
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Okay
Whats your take on Wall Street and bank CEO's and employees receiving huge bonuses and benefits only made possible because the government leases them money at a low rate and then lending them back to us? Our own money that is.
But you freak out over low paid teachers and cops?
Check my post history. Have I ever defended Wall Street and bank CEO's?
I never supported the government bailing them out. I think it's disgusting that they would get bonuses when their companies fail to produce revenue year after year. I never supported government giving them anything. I wanted government to let those companies fail or file for bankruptcy and get their house in order. I believe other companies would have taken their place. They needed to allow the market run its course.
Where am I freaking out about public unions? I believe they shouldn't exist. Just giving my opinion.
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Okay
Whats your take on Wall Street and bank CEO's and employees receiving huge bonuses and benefits only made possible because the government leases them money at a low rate and then lending them back to us? Our own money that is.
But you freak out over low paid teachers and cops?
While this is also ridiculous, there's some legal issues that go along with being a CEO or what have you.
When CEOs sign on, they are given contracts which guarantee X amount of dollars.
If they don't get paid their guarantee, I'm sure the courts would just force companies to do it anyway.
Is it right? Morally, of course not, but money has never been about morals.
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The union that represents Border Patrol agents in Southern Arizona and around the country called today for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to resign.
The National Border Patrol Council cited Holder’s alleged dishonesty about Operation Fast and Furious in making the call. That ATF-led operation put guns from Arizona in the hands of Mexican organized-crime groups, and two of those guns were found at the scene west of Rio Rico where Agent Brian Terry was shot to death in December 2010.
http://azstarnet.com/news/state-and-regional/article_77337770-b97b-11e1-b735-001a4bcf887a.html
Brian Terry would still be dead with or without Fast and Furious.....the cartels have an unlimited supply of weapons and its not like they just got weapons..... ::)
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Check my post history. Have I ever defended Wall Street and bank CEO's?
I never supported the government bailing them out. I think it's disgusting that they would get bonuses when their companies fail to produce revenue year after year. I never supported government giving them anything. I wanted government to let those companies fail or file for bankruptcy and get their house in order. I believe other companies would have taken their place. They needed to allow the market run its course.
Where am I freaking out about public unions? I believe they shouldn't exist. Just giving my opinion.
Cool thought out reply. Thanks.
Agree 100%
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Brian Terry would still be dead with or without Fast and Furious.....the cartels have an unlimited supply of weapons and its not like they just got weapons..... ::)
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95er please.
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That will probably be the first union that the Left will disown.
and the first the right wing will support
seriously, how can anyone on the right defend a union and especially a public employee union
Holder isn't going to resign ....at this point
If he lied to Congress then it might happen but I don't think he has lied (to the best of my knowledge)
This program started under Bush and unlike Bush, the Obama administration has actually been arresting people and there are ongoing investigations and more potential arrests which is likely the reason for Obama move yesterday
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and the first the right wing will support
seriously, how can anyone on the right defend a union and especially a public employee union
Holder isn't going to resign ....at this point
If he lied to Congress then it might happen but I don't think he has lied (to the best of my knowledge)
This program started under Bush and unlike Bush, the Obama administration has actually been arresting people and there are ongoing investigations and more potential arrests which is likely the reason for Obama move yesterday
Jesus fucking christ are you delusional and factually challenged. Wide Receiver was nothing like Fast and Furious whatsoever.
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Jesus fucking christ are you delusional and factually challenged. Wide Receiver was nothing like Fast and Furious whatsoever.
feel free to correct anything I've said with actual facts ..... you know, things you can support with proof
like I said in my post "to the best of my knowledge"
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feel free to correct anything I've said with actual facts ..... you know, things you can support with proof
like I said in my post "to the best of my knowledge"
Iran Contra?
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feel free to correct anything I've said with actual facts ..... you know, things you can support with proof
like I said in my post "to the best of my knowledge"
Wide Receiver -
1. Done in concert with Mexico
2. Guns never went over the border
3. Guns were not let in the hands of cartel members out of the sight of ATF
4. Was immediately shut down internally once a few guns went missing unintentionally.
Fast and Furious
1. No tracing mechanism whatsoever
2. Mexico was NEVER notified
3. ATF liason and ATF agents in Mexico were never notified
4. Thousands of Guns went directly into hands of cartel members
5. Resulted in deaths of 3 agents as well as 300 plus mexicans and there are still 1500 guns unaccountated for in the hands of narco traffickers
6. Was only shut down once a whisteleblower came forward after Agent Terry died.
The two are not even close and the fact that you scumbags are trying to blame Bush when it was AG Ogden who admitted this was on the direction of Obama and holder is pathetic and shameless.
HERE IS THE PROOF YOU FUCKING MORON.
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Wide Receiver -
1. Done in concert with Mexico
2. Guns never went over the border
3. Guns were not let in the hands of cartel members out of the sight of ATF
4. Was immediately shut down internally once a few guns went missing unintentionally.
Fast and Furious
1. No tracing mechanism whatsoever
2. Mexico was NEVER notified
3. ATF liason and ATF agents in Mexico were never notified
4. Thousands of Guns went directly into hands of cartel members
5. Resulted in deaths of 3 agents as well as 300 plus mexicans and there are still 1500 guns unaccountated for in the hands of narco traffickers
6. Was only shut down once a whisteleblower came forward after Agent Terry died.
The two are not even close and the fact that you scumbags are trying to blame Bush when it was AG Ogden who admitted this was on the direction of Obama and holder is pathetic and shameless.
HERE IS THE PROOF YOU FUCKING MORON.
you know I don't watch your videos
feel free to priovide links to your claims or links to anythign that I said that you claim is not true
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Wide Receiver -
1. Done in concert with Mexico
2. Guns never went over the border
3. Guns were not let in the hands of cartel members out of the sight of ATF
4. Was immediately shut down internally once a few guns went missing unintentionally.
1. Mexico has a corrupt govt - I'm okay with the US not telling them everything
2. "The vast majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico"
3. You have no clue where the guns went. How the hell do you say cartel members never got them?
4. yes, shut down - NOBODY at ATF was prosecuted or fired. the guy who lost all the guns kept his job and later gaev away all the F&F guns too!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
So really, 33, the only diff here is that 2 border agents got killed with guns from F&F, and we only know that cause they left the guns sitting there. There's a whole lotta bodies on the hundreds of guns that BUSH's DOJ lost... they just didn't leave the rifles at the scene with serial numbers.
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1. Mexico has a corrupt govt - I'm okay with the US not telling them everything
2. "The vast majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico"
3. You have no clue where the guns went. How the hell do you say cartel members never got them?
4. Operation started in 2006. Wasn't reviewed until 2010 when it was shut down. Guns got lost, they didn't immediately close down, homie ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
So really, 33, the only diff here is that 2 border agents got killed with guns from F&F, and we only know that cause they left the guns sitting there. There's a whole lotta bodies on the hundreds of guns that BUSH's DOJ lost... they just didn't leave the rifles at the scene with serial numbers.
Hey idiot - show me where the guns of WR wound up at crimie scenes like at F&F?
The fact that you scumbags are trying to blame bush when it was AG Ogden who admitted this was done at the behest of obama speaks volumes. And 180 - fuck off, you are a sad troll and a joke. you are a pathetic and pathological liar on this issue.
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Hey idiot - show me where the guns of WR wound up at crimie scenes like at F&F?
You concede points #1,2, and 4, correct? You chose not to argue them.
As for if the guns wound up at crime scenes - the only reason you know the F&F guns were used on our agents is because the killers actually dropped the guns at the scene.
The other guns weren't left at crime scenes. They were sold to bad guys in USA and shipped to Mex and lost. I guess since none of them were left at crime scenes to be identified on US soil, you can safely assume anything you want lmao.
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You concede points #1,2, and 4, correct? You chose not to argue them.
As for if the guns wound up at crime scenes - the only reason you know the F&F guns were used on our agents is because the killers actually dropped the guns at the scene.
The other guns weren't left at crime scenes. They were sold to bad guys in USA and shipped to Mex and lost. I guess since none of them were left at crime scenes to be identified on US soil, you can safely assume anything you want lmao.
Because the INTENT was that never to happen unlike FnF you lying sack of shit!
Why must you resort to such pathological dishonesty just to defend obama?
The goal of FnF was for the guns to end up at crime scenes and used to justify gun control. Wide receiver it happened by accident and was immediately shut down. FnF was only shut down once Agent Dobbins came forward and blew the whistle of Terrys' death.
Do me a favor - STFU on this issue altogether until you have actually read something about it beyond the tripe you suck on from the CBC and MSNBC.
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Because the INTENT was that never to happen unlike FnF you lying sack of shit!
Why must you resort to such pathological dishonesty just to defend obama?
The goal of FnF was for the guns to end up at crime scenes and used to justify gun control. Wide receiver it happened by accident and was immediately shut down. FnF was only shut down once Agent Dobbins came forward and blew the whistle of Terrys' death.
Do me a favor - STFU on this issue altogether until you have actually read something about it beyond the tripe you suck on from the CBC and MSNBC.
Link to the proof of intent please.
Cause while i completely agree that obama and holder belong in a prison cell for their invovlement - I'm pretty pissed the agent who OK'd it during the Bush years wasn't fired by Bush - instad he was allowed to keep his job - AND TRY IT AGAIN under obaam.
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Iran Contra
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Iran Contra
Good argument. Every president from there on gets a pass.
This thinking is why our spending never goes anywhere but up.
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Good argument. Every president from there on gets a pass.
This thinking is why our spending never goes anywhere but up.
Not saying that. But the guy worships Reagan. And.............?
Well you get the picture
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Good argument. Every president from there on gets a pass.
This thinking is why our spending never goes anywhere but up.
100 Percent accurate.
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Not saying that. But the guy worships Reagan. And.............?
Well you get the picture
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Don't you ever see how ridiculous you have become defending every obama crime and bullshit act by citing other crimes by other people?
Fucking sad, and all for one reason and one reason only.
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Don't you ever see how ridiculous you have become defending every obama crime and bullshit act by citing other crimes by other people?
Fucking sad, and all for one reason and one reason only.
So again are you mad that he did an EO or are you mad at the actual Amnesty?
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So again are you mad that he did an EO or are you mad at the actual Amnesty?
Both. I dont like EO and hate amnesty for the invaders.