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Apple lobbies obama and the congress to force people to buy an ipad as part of an "education law" or face a tax penalty - legal
Ruger lobbies Romney to force Americans to buy firearms under 'anti-Crime" law or face a tax - legal
Chevy wants to recoup its losses from the bailout by forcing us to buy a volt or face a tax - legal
Solyndra lobbies obama to force americans to buy its solar panels under new "Environmental Law" or face a tax - legal
NYSC lobbies Romney to force people to buy gym memberships under new "Anti-Obesity" law or face a tax - legal
Monsanto lobbies Obama to force american to buy tomatos, salads, etc under new "Safe Food" law or face a tax - legal
Trek lobbies the congress and president to force people to by a mountain bike as part of "anti-obesity" law or face a tax - legal
Valvoline lobbies president and congress to mandate proof of oil changes in your car every 4,000 miles as part of "transportation law" or face a tax - legal
American Standard lobbies president and congress to by new toilet bowl w new tech as part of "safe water" act or face a tax - legal
DO YOU PEOPLE GET IT YET?
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Yes its exactly the same thing as trying to get our health care expenses under control and make sure people can afford medical help.
Who know you might be able to get the help you need now? You know for that mental disorder you suffer from?
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Stfu. You are a typical clueless liberal fuck.
Yes its exactly the same thing as trying to get our health care expenses under control and make sure people can afford medical help.
Who know you might be able to get the help you need now? You know for that mental disorder you suffer from?
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Yes its exactly the same thing as trying to get our health care expenses under control and make sure people can afford medical help.
Who know you might be able to get the help you need now? You know for that mental disorder you suffer from?
+1
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Stfu. You are a typical clueless liberal fuck.
Na i just think everybody should be treated for illness especially children.
Im an ateist but im actually more christian than the bible whores in here. :D
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Na i just think everybody should be treated for illness especially children.
Im an ateist but im actually more christian than the bible whores in here. :D
LMAO!!
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look, repubs were smug when roberts got the nod. why aren't the smug when roberts does what roberts does?
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Apple lobbies obama and the congress to force people to buy an ipad as part of an "education law" or face a tax penalty - legal
Ruger lobbies Romney to force Americans to buy firearms under 'anti-Crime" law or face a tax - legal
Chevy wants to recoup its losses from the bailout by forcing us to buy a volt or face a tax - legal
Solyndra lobbies obama to force americans to buy its solar panels under new "Environmental Law" or face a tax - legal
NYSC lobbies Romney to force people to buy gym memberships under new "Anti-Obesity" law or face a tax - legal
Monsanto lobbies Obama to force american to buy tomatos, salads, etc under new "Safe Food" law or face a tax - legal
Trek lobbies the congress and president to force people to by a mountain bike as part of "anti-obesity" law or face a tax - legal
Valvoline lobbies president and congress to mandate proof of oil changes in your car every 4,000 miles as part of "transportation law" or face a tax - legal
American Standard lobbies president and congress to by new toilet bowl w new tech as part of "safe water" act or face a tax - legal
DO YOU PEOPLE GET IT YET?
Spin Cock.
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Spin Cock.
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Cause that's what that is.
Its using the far fetched as a fear motivator.
All that does is galvanize stupid people who are already against the Individual mandate.
Anyone with any sense looks at that and sees it pure Spin Cock.
Uninformed/stupid people who are also OB supporters will see it as a necessary evil and not see the lunacy in it. (or even comment on it as we have seen on one of my threads)
So in summary, you are not swaying anyone with that argument because its SPIN COCK and only stupid people suck spin cock. And this particular cock is repulsive to anhyone with a brain and those with out a brain are sucking on a different spin cock (lib cock)
You would do far better to show, without cut and pasting, in a pleasant (not insulting manner as usual), in your own word,s forming an intelligent argument, how prices will go up.
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Cause that's what that is.
Its using the far fetched as a fear motivator.
All that does is galvanize stupid people who are already against the Individual mandate.
Anyone with any sense looks at that and sees it pure Spin Cock.
Uninformed/stupid people who are also OB supporters will see it as a necessary evil and not see the lunacy in it. (or even comment on it as we have seen on one of my threads)
So in summary, you are not swaying anyone with that argument because its SPIN COCK and only stupid people suck spin cock. And this particular cock is repulsive to anhyone with a brain and those with out a brain are sucking on a different spin cock (lib cock)
You would do far better to show, without cut and pasting, in a pleasant (not insulting manner as usual), in your own word,s forming an intelligent argument, how prices will go up.
LOL. And if anyone 20 years ago would have told you about ObamaCare they would have said the same exact thing. you are the loud mouth always screaming about "money in politics" right?
Well who do you think lobbied for ObamaCare in the first place? Hint - It wasnt the average taxpayer.
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Cause that's what that is.
Its using the far fetched as a fear motivator.
All that does is galvanize stupid people who are already against the Individual mandate.
Anyone with any sense looks at that and sees it pure Spin Cock.
Uninformed/stupid people who are also OB supporters will see it as a necessary evil and not see the lunacy in it. (or even comment on it as we have seen on one of my threads)
So in summary, you are not swaying anyone with that argument because its SPIN COCK and only stupid people suck spin cock. And this particular cock is repulsive to anhyone with a brain and those with out a brain are sucking on a different spin cock (lib cock)
You would do far better to show, without cut and pasting, in a pleasant (not insulting manner as usual), in your own word,s forming an intelligent argument, how prices will go up.
it worked :D :D :D
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LOL. And if anyone 20 years ago would have told you about ObamaCare they would have said the same exact thing. you are the loud mouth always screaming about "money in politics" right?
Well who do you think lobbied for ObamaCare in the first place? Hint - It wasnt the average taxpayer.
The average tax payer complained about the abuses and run away costs. Our politicians under the guise of helping us, found a way to make the medical industry happy by setting up reform laws but at the same requiring under penalty of law for people to buy the insurance. Hence: A SCAM
Again:
You would do far better to show, without cut and pasting, in a pleasant (not insulting manner as usual), in your own word,s forming an intelligent argument, how prices will go up.
and keep that kindergarten SPIN COCK the fuck of here.
Just my humble opinion. ;D
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The average tax payer complained about the abuses and run away costs. Our politicians under the guise of helping us, found a way to make the medical industry happy by setting up reform laws but at the same requiring under penalty of law for people to buy the insurance. Hence: A SCAM
Again:
You would do far better to show, without cut and pasting, in a pleasant (not insulting manner as usual), in your own word,s forming an intelligent argument, how prices will go up.
and keep that kindergarten SPIN COCK the fuck of here.
Just my humble opinion. ;D
Thw time for being nice is long over. Everyone was warned well before they passed this disastrous law and all such warnings went unheeded. Remember all the leftists screaming "Ram it through . . . ram it through . . . . ram it through . . " etc etc.
Well, chickens have come home to roost and those jerkoffs still are blind to the reality of this mess solely due to their devotion to obama.
So fuck them, they deserve to be mocked and ridiculed for their ignorance and willful blindness to the mess this has become that they were warned about long ago.
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Thw time for being nice is long over. Everyone was warned well before they passed this disastrous law and all such warnings went unheeded. Remember all the leftists screaming "Ram it through . . . ram it through . . . . ram it through . . " etc etc.
Well, chickens have come home to roost and those jerkoffs still are blind to the reality of this mess solely due to their devotion to obama.
So fuck them, they deserve to be mocked and ridiculed for their ignorance and willful blindness to the mess this has become that they were warned about long ago.
So you can't show how prices will increase?
i remember conservatives all acting like puppets when they supported a law that banned generics from Canada that would decrease prescription costs, now the same industry has a check mate on the American public.
If prices go down, no one will care.
Can you show how prices will increase?
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So you can't show how prices will increase?
i remember conservatives all acting like puppets when they supported a law that banned generics from Canada that would decrease prescription costs, now the same industry has a check mate on the American public.
If prices go down, no one will care.
Can you show how prices will increase?
Its very easy - add 30 million new people demanding services to a static number of people performing those services causes prices to skyrocket.
Simple math and simple economics - something the average obama drone does not grasp.
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"Spin cock" - hahahaha good one.
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"Spin cock" - hahahaha good one.
I'm sure you will use that with your boyfriend somehow.
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Since it was directed at you, I am sure it was appropriate in more ways than one.
Are you going to be happy when Obama taxes imaginary girlfriends?
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Cause that's what that is.
Its using the far fetched as a fear motivator.
All that does is galvanize stupid people who are already against the Individual mandate.
Anyone with any sense looks at that and sees it pure Spin Cock.
Uninformed/stupid people who are also OB supporters will see it as a necessary evil and not see the lunacy in it. (or even comment on it as we have seen on one of my threads)
So in summary, you are not swaying anyone with that argument because its SPIN COCK and only stupid people suck spin cock. And this particular cock is repulsive to anhyone with a brain and those with out a brain are sucking on a different spin cock (lib cock)
You would do far better to show, without cut and pasting, in a pleasant (not insulting manner as usual), in your own word,s forming an intelligent argument, how prices will go up.
333 scares himself shitless on a daily basis and can't understand why no one else is scared about the patenly absurd scenarios that he created in his imagination (or more likely ready on some brain dead right wing blog)
333 - you should really just leave the country before Obama forces you to gay marry an illegal alien
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:). Why are they absurd? You leftist tyrants are always trying to control everyones personal lives.
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:). Why are they absurd? You leftist tyrants are always trying to control everyones personal lives.
I told you why they were absurd the first time you posted them a couple of days ago
did you dream these up yourself or copy them from somehwere ?
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333 scares himself shitless on a daily basis and can't understand why no one else is scared about the patenly absurd scenarios that he created in his imagination (or more likely ready on some brain dead right wing blog)
333 - you should really just leave the country before Obama forces you to gay marry an illegal alien
QFT!!!
"The sky is falling."
~Chicken Little
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QFT!!!
"The sky is falling."
~Chicken Little
Jesus, you were on his nuts at 7 AM EST in this thread and it's now 8 PM EST and you're STILL GOING. Could you get any fucking creepier?
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Jesus, you were on his nuts at 7 AM EST in this thread and it's now 8 PM EST and you're STILL GOING. Could you get any fucking creepier?
Oh look the #1 fanboy detaches from the ovary long enough to have a little meltdown.
Glad you are keeping track of my posts on here. But if I wanted your opinion I will order fries with it.
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Oh look the #1 fanboy detaches from the ovary long enough to have a little meltdown.
Glad you are keeping track of my posts on here. But if I wanted your opinion I will order fries with it.
Fuck off you stalking troll.
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Fuck off you stalking troll.
Says the closet homo 24/7 internet living loser.
Too bad you can't cut and paste something meaningful in your pathetic little life huh?
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Its very easy - add 30 million new people demanding services to a static number of people performing those services causes prices to skyrocket.
Simple math and simple economics - something the average obama drone does not grasp.
You are a fucking idiot.
The most expensive form of healthcare is ER... Its Cheaper for a group to maintain a Pts health than it is to fix it in the ER (which they have to do) because of lack of coverage.
Son you have no idea of what you are talking about. Where the fuck did you even get that logic? You just made it up. Any healthcare professional knows that ER care for uninsured patients costs wayyyyyyyyyyyy more than it does to maintain that pts health with regular visits. You just made that up you fucking peice of shit liar
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Says the closet homo 24/7 internet living loser.
Too bad you can't cut and paste something meaningful in your pathetic little life huh?
STFU - between you and gaybear you don't have 5 worthwhile posts between you. Jilted obsessed stalkers both angry that you thug messiah is exposed for the con man and communist many of us said he was.
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:). Why are they absurd? You leftist tyrants are always trying to control everyones personal lives.
I know.. with the whole "Gay no gay marriage"
And the whole "you cant get an abortion"
Oh wait.. wrong party
Get that weak shit out of here chump... Weak as fuck
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You are a fucking idiot.
The most expensive form of healthcare is ER... Its Cheaper for a group to maintain a Pts health than it is to fix it in the ER (which they have to do) because of lack of coverage.
Son you have no idea of what you are talking about. Where the fuck did you even get that logic? You just made it up. Any healthcare professional knows that ER care for uninsured patients costs wayyyyyyyyyyyy more than it does to maintain that pts health with regular visits. You just made that up you fucking peice of shit liar
Really? So now obama is going to force people to go for checkups?
And guess who uses the ER the most and who is not going away, or paying for insurance?
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STFU - between you and gaybear you don't have 5 worthwhile posts between you. Jilted obsessed stalkers both angry that you thug messiah is exposed for the con man and communist many of us said he was.
But we don't have 90,000+ plus posts filled with crybaby whining and lying either.
Are you going to use Obamacare to get yourself some professional help? All this inner turmoil and conflict that stems from your self loathing and frustration with your own life can't be good.
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I know.. with the whole "Gay no gay marriage"
And the whole "you cant get an abortion"
Oh wait.. wrong party
Get that weak shit out of here chump... Weak as fuck
hhhhmmmm - those black republicans in California sure did that no?
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You are a fucking idiot.
The most expensive form of healthcare is ER... Its Cheaper for a group to maintain a Pts health than it is to fix it in the ER (which they have to do) because of lack of coverage.
Son you have no idea of what you are talking about. Where the fuck did you even get that logic? You just made it up. Any healthcare professional knows that ER care for uninsured patients costs wayyyyyyyyyyyy more than it does to maintain that pts health with regular visits. You just made that up you fucking peice of shit liar
This is like being beaten over the head by Reality. While it's wielding a baseball bat. With nails in it.
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Really? So now obama is going to force people to go for checkups?
And guess who uses the ER the most and who is not going away, or paying for insurance?
Uninsured use the ER the most. Thas a well known fact. And its the most expensive form of healthcare. You fucking idiot. This is a well known fact, which is why i dont even begin to understand where you got your logic in the above statements.
Force to get check ups,,? What in blue blazers are you fucking talking about. It means if they have ongoing insurance, a small problem doesnt become a big problem you idiot piece of shit. Force to get check ups? Dude what the fuck is going through your brain?
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logic and 333386 are not best friends
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Uninsured use the ER the most. Thas a well known fact. And its the most expensive form of healthcare. You fucking idiot. This is a well known fact, which is why i dont even begin to understand where you got your logic in the above statements.
Force to get check ups,,? What in blue blazers are you fucking talking about. It means if they have ongoing insurance, a small problem doesnt become a big problem you idiot piece of shit. Force to get check ups? Dude what the fuck is going through your brain?
How many of the so called "uninsured" are illegal aliens?
Those already qualified for medicade but not signed up?
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Its very easy - add 30 million new people demanding services to a static number of people performing those services causes prices to skyrocket.
Simple math and simple economics - something the average obama drone does not grasp.
Right you fuckin stupid know nothing..
Very simple. Its cheaper medicine to treat insured PTs that have regular scheduled Doctor visits than it is to treat someone who has let a small issue become a large issue and must now go to ER...
How the fuck dont you get that.. Go ahead and try and look for a youtube or an article that says something different.. you piece of dog shit
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How many of the so called "uninsured" are illegal aliens?
Those already qualified for medicade but not signed up?
Are you claiming that per visit ratio more illegals and uninsured people are going to the ER than people with health coverage. Is that what you are claiming? I really hope so. Because I am going to shit all down your throat if it is.
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Emergency Room Treatment for Illegal Aliens in Las Vegas Costs Taxpayers $2 Million per Month
Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 1:18 PM EDT
Las Vegas Unversity Medical Center
A report by the Las Vegas Review-Journal found that illegal aliens receiving dialysis treatment were costing the hospital more than $2 million per month. Nevada taxpayers are forced to pay for a situation that the report says "continues to worsen."
Officials say the lack of enforcing immigration laws is making a bad situation worse as the University Medical Center in Las Vegas looks to face a $70 million budgetary shortfall in 2010. They say attempts to encourage illegal aliens to receive the treatment in their home countries hasn't worked.
"The cost to our taxpayers is astronomical," said Lawrence Weekly, a Clark County commissioner and chairman of the UMC board of hospital trustees. "Many people are justifiably outraged. If this kind of thing goes on, we might have to close our doors. But we're governed by federal law on this issue so some way the federal government has to help us out. We just can't stand by and let people die in the streets. We wouldn't want that on our conscience."
The article says that a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said over the summer that Reid would push for increased funding for hospitals that helped illegal aliens, but the funding hasn't materialized.
For the full report, see the Las Vegas Review-Journal.
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/january-27-2010/emergency-room-treatment-illegal-aliens-las-vegas-costs-taxpayers-2-million-mon
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How many of the so called "uninsured" are illegal aliens?
Those already qualified for medicade but not signed up?
WHAT!!!What the fuck are you talking about "SO CALLED", bitch you either got insurance or you dont..
Tha Fuck are you talking about?
And dont try to morph the shit to immigration now because you were just blasted on this one.
But either way.. Tha fuck is your weak ass question.,. hurry up and ask it.. i gotta get a Rockstar energy drink... been working since 12 last night. So hurry the fuck up and ask your dumb ass question. And it better be relevant chump
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Emergency Room Treatment for Illegal Aliens in Las Vegas Costs Taxpayers $2 Million per Month
Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 1:18 PM EDT
Las Vegas Unversity Medical Center
A report by the Las Vegas Review-Journal found that illegal aliens receiving dialysis treatment were costing the hospital more than $2 million per month. https://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/january-27-2010/emergency-room-treatment-illegal-aliens-las-vegas-costs-taxpayers-2-million-mon
Yes you asshole.. thanks for proving my argument.. Well its not really my argument... its well known...Fix it care is way more expensive than Preventative care. Fix it care is ER.. Prevent care is Doctors office. Fix it is uninsured, Dr's office is insured..
So the more ER care the higher the tax payer bill. You god damn idiot.. thats been well known for years now... Tha fuck have you been doing... Man im out of here.. this is all this chump has?.. Its time for a red bull...*takes a bow....exits stage* this has been another Fact based ass whoopin laid down on 3333..
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Are you claiming that per visit ratio more illegals and uninsured people are going to the ER than people with health coverage. Is that what you are claiming? I really hope so. Because I am going to shit all down your throat if it is.
Answer!
Being an HA with the ER, OR and BB under my watch isn't something you are cut and paste your way out of here. Stop the bullshit running in circles and backpedaling. Stop the fucking cut and paste lies and say in your own words what your delusional brain is spitting out.
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So now with this long pause... 3333 is scrambling the net looking for something to dispute that... you hear that silence? He is searching the interweb as we speak.. maybe drinking coffee from a mug that reads "i hate facts and numbers"
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WHAT!!!What the fuck are you talking about "SO CALLED", bitch you either got insurance or you dont..
Tha Fuck are you talking about?
And dont try to morph the shit to immigration now because you were just blasted on this one.
But either way.. Tha fuck is your weak ass question.,. hurry up and ask it.. i gotta get a Rockstar energy drink... been working since 12 last night. So hurry the fuck up and ask your dumb ass question. And it better be relevant chump
Those citizens who don't have insurance and who are legal citizens can be sued, judgment gotten, wage garnishments, etc.
illegals - not so much.
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Answer!
Being an HA with the ER, OR and BB under my watch isn't something you are cut and paste your way out of here. Stop the bullshit running in circles and backpedaling. Stop the fucking cut and paste lies and say in your own words what your delusional brain is spitting out.
Can you believe this asshole just proved my point about the ER visit costing more than maintained care... Tha fuck is wrong with this "guy"
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Yes you asshole.. thanks for proving my argument.. Well its not really my argument... its well known...Fix it care is way more expensive than Preventative care. Fix it care is ER.. Prevent care is Doctors office. Fix it is uninsured, Dr's office is insured..
So the more ER care the higher the tax payer bill. You god damn idiot.. thats been well known for years now... Tha fuck have you been doing... Man im out of here.. this is all this chump has?.. Its time for a red bull...*takes a bow....exits stage* this has been another Fact based ass whoopin laid down on 3333..
Dude really now. Do you even think he can comprehend simple logic like this in his fractured brain? Despite being a "lolawyer" and all, facts and logic don't registered in his world.
Get ready for youtube vids of drunken bob screaming about something completely irrelevant.
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Yes you asshole.. thanks for proving my argument.. Well its not really my argument... its well known...Fix it care is way more expensive than Preventative care. Fix it care is ER.. Prevent care is Doctors office. Fix it is uninsured, Dr's office is insured..
So the more ER care the higher the tax payer bill. You god damn idiot.. thats been well known for years now... Tha fuck have you been doing... Man im out of here.. this is all this chump has?.. Its time for a red bull...*takes a bow....exits stage* this has been another Fact based ass whoopin laid down on 3333..
Again - are you going to force people to get yearly check ups?
Yes or no?
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Those citizens who don't have insurance and who are legal citizens can be sued, judgment gotten, wage garnishments, etc.
illegals - not so much.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Seriously, that's your reply?
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Can you believe this asshole just proved my point about the ER visit costing more than maintained care... Tha fuck is wrong with this "guy"
Where I live, most of the thugs who abuse the ER are illegals, ghetto scum looking for free shit, drug od's, alcohol od's , car accidents, stupid shit like that.
BTW - I would do away w EMTALA tommorow and station an ICE officer in every ER.
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Seriously, that's your reply?
Yes - its called the legal system. Something both you and option FAIL are apparently unaware of to recoup monies for services rendered not paid for.
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Those citizens who don't have insurance and who are legal citizens can be sued, judgment gotten, wage garnishments, etc.
illegals - not so much.
Your argument.. the one im disputing is from when Ozmo asked how it would be more... and you said because you add 30 mil newly insured people blah blah... and bunch of made up ass shit that was just fucking dumb..
and you called simple math... that was complete and utter bullshit.
Would you atleast admit to that.. I get you trying to change it to hate the mexicans now.. but atleast admit to you being all the way wrong on your dumb ass analysis of the costs. And then gonna end it with some bull shit "its just something the typical Obama voter cant grasp" No bitch .. you were mutha fucking wrong.
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Again - are you going to force people to get yearly check ups?
Yes or no?
Just STFU. You have been exposed as an idiot once again who can do nothing to stay on topic of what is being asked of him to support his argument. No surprise.
You just had your ass beat beyond recognition and can only fall back on hyperbole and imaginary scenarios. Get the fuck out of here you no life having loser.
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Yes - its called the legal system. Something both you and option FAIL are apparently unaware of to recoup monies for services rendered not paid for.
That has ZERO to do with what I asked you in regards to your previous claims. The one you avoided answering.
Now show us what an ignorant idiot you truly are with his backpedaling attempts and ask "what question" like you always do. Seriously, do it.
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Again - are you going to force people to get yearly check ups?
Yes or no?
No you dumb shit.. with your wrong ass... If you have insurance. You get with a medical group. Then you see a doctor.. and he guides your health.
When you dont have insurance, you let shit go... then go to the er when it gets really bad... and costs tax payers a shit ton of money...
Very simple.. you fucking idiot
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Aye lurker...im out of here... needs a little nap. I just came in here and demolished this fuckin guy.......again.
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Your argument.. the one im disputing is from when Ozmo asked how it would be more... and you said because you add 30 mil newly insured people blah blah... and bunch of made up ass shit that was just fucking dumb..
and you called simple math... that was complete and utter bullshit.
Would you atleast admit to that.. I get you trying to change it to hate the mexicans now.. but atleast admit to you being all the way wrong on your dumb ass analysis of the costs. And then gonna end it with some bull shit "its just something the typical Obama voter cant grasp" No bitch .. you were mutha fucking wrong.
LMAO. You know the funniest thing? Is prior to this he started that other doozy of a thread off with this quote :
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
Well, we know a revolutionist he is not.
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No you dumb shit.. with your wrong ass... If you have insurance. You get with a medical group. Then you see a doctor.. and he guides your health.
When you dont have insurance, you let shit go... then go to the er when it gets really bad... and costs tax payers a shit ton of money...
Very simple.. you fucking idiot
So with all these new 30 million people not currently using the system, who now going to use the system, and not one single new doctor under ObamaCare, how does that work again? Who is going to see these people?
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Look at this twat waffle trying to derail his ass raping that just occurred.
::)
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Omg... while this idiot just makes shit up as he goes.
Lurker... this guy is done
So with all these new 30 million people not currently using the system, who now going to use the system, and not one single new doctor under ObamaCare, how does that work again? Who is going to see these people?
Who said there arent going to be any doctors... Where are you getting that from...
And again, tell me.. how exactly this is gonna cost more... which was Ozmos question as well
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Where I live, most of the thugs who abuse the ER are illegals, ghetto scum looking for free shit, drug od's, alcohol od's , car accidents, stupid shit like that.
BTW - I would do away w EMTALA tommorow and station an ICE officer in every ER.
people who get in car accidents go to the emergency room ?
Who'da thunk it
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How Obamacare Dramatically Increases the Cost of Insurance for Young Workers
In 2009, during the height of the debate over Obamacare, the law’s architect, MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, was all over the op-ed pages, talking about how the bill would reduce the cost of health insurance. “What we know for sure,” he told Ezra Klein, “is that [the bill] will lower the cost of buying non-group health insurance.” His words were trumpeted by the law’s advocates, and were critical to persuading skittish Democrats to vote for the bill. But it turns out that “for sure” doesn’t mean what you thought it did. Because, now, Gruber is quietly telling state governments that the law will significantly increase the cost of insurance. And it will especially do so for young Americans: the ones who most struggle to find affordable health coverage.
Before the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act became law, Gruber published a widely-cited analysis, using his Gruber Microsimulation Model, in which he asserted that in 2016, young people would save 13 percent, and older people 31 percent, on their insurance premiums. Gruber’s numbers were used to rebut an October 2009 analysis from PriceWaterhouseCoopers, which projected that non-group (a.k.a. individual-market) premiums would increase by 47 percent over the same period.
Ezra called the PwC report “deceptive.” Jonathan Cohn, noting that the report was commissioned by the insurer trade group, AHIP, described it as “the insurance industry declaring war.” After Obamacare was signed into law, Cohn described the Gruber-led counterattack against PwC as a turning point in the fight to get the bill passed:
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Consider what happened in September, when the insurance industry released a study purporting to show that reform would cause insurance premiums to skyrocket. The Senate Finance Committee—the logjam in the legislative process—was set to vote on its bill in less than 48 hours. The study, commissioned by the insurance lobby and conducted by a private accounting firm, represented a clear effort to undermine support. It was the kind of move that lobbying groups make all the time—and, in the old days, it might have worked, since nobody would have seen through the study’s tilted assumptions until…the damage had been done. But within hours of its publication, several blogs, including this one, had published critiques showing just how flawed the study was. The critiques circulated in Washington and provoked a backlash against the insurers. Wavering Democrats said they were offended by the effort at political sabotage; the Finance Committee went on to pass the bill, as it had originally planned.
President Obama, too, touted the bill’s ability to “bend the cost curve,” repeatedly promising that the law would “bring down premiums by $2,500 for the typical family.”
But that was then.
Gruber now: Obamacare will increase premiums by 19-30 percent
As states began the process of considering whether or not to set up the insurance exchanges mandated by the new health law, several retained Gruber as a consultant. In at least three cases—Wisconsin in August 2011, Minnesota in November 2011, and Colorado in January 2012—Gruber reported that premiums in the individual market would increase, not decrease, as a result of Obamacare.
In Wisconsin, Gruber reported that people purchasing insurance for themselves on the individual market would see, on average, premium increases of 30 percent by 2016, relative to what would have happened in the absence of Obamacare. In Minnesota, the law would increase premiums by 29 percent over the same period. Colorado was the least worst off, with premiums under the law rising by only 19 percent.
Some low-income individuals would benefit from Obamacare’s subsidies; for those individuals, the impact of these premium increases would be blunted. But if premium costs go up at a rate faster than people expect, taxpayers will be on the hook for billions upon billions of extra subsidies.
“It is true that even after [subsidies] some individuals are ‘losers,’” Gruber told The Daily Caller, “in that they pay more than before reform.” But why did Gruber change his mind? A “discriminatory” market is to blame, he says, in which “the sick just stayed [uninsured].”
More on that in a bit.
There’s no such thing as a free lunch
Gruber’s Microsimulation Model, which he felicitously abbreviates as GMSIM, attempts to project how Obamacare will affect insurance premiums by taking into account certain provisions of the law. “GMSIM is able to carefully integrate all of the key features of enacted federal law,” Gruber promises in his report to Colorado.
Gruber’s model focuses on six specific aspects of the law:
1.The requirement that all insurance plans cover “certain essential benefits;”
2.The mandate that all plans meet a “minimum actuarial value” of 60 percent (i.e., that beneficiaries bear out-of-pocket responsibility for a maximum of 40 percent of their benefit costs);
3.The requirement that insurers spend 80 percent of individual-market premium costs on health expenses (medical loss ratio);
4.The law’s high-risk pools being folded into the exchanges;
5.Competitive efficiencies brought about by the exchanges; and
6.Requirements that insurers charge similar rates to the young and the old (community rating).
In the case of Colorado, as I noted above, Gruber now projects that Obamacare will increase individual-market premiums by 19 percent on average. The biggest drivers of the increase, according to Gruber, are the new insurance regulations (especially the ones forcing upward a plan’s minimum actuarial value and mandating minimum essential benefits), and also the law’s insurance subsidies, which will incentivize “individuals [to choose] richer insurance with their tax credits.”
That is to say, Obamacare forces insurers to offer more benefits, requires them to spend more money on health expenses, and subsidizes the consumption of richer insurance packages. The laws of economics dictate that these costs will get passed down to consumers. It shouldn’t take a microsimulation from MIT to know there’s no such thing as a free lunch—but now you have one for good measure.
Gruber neglects Obamacare’s pre-existing condition provision
The money paragraph in Gruber’s report to Colorado comes on page 14. It’s there that he admits that his model doesn’t take into account Obamacare’s biggest change to the insurance market: its requirement that insurers take on all comers irrespective of pre-existing conditions, a.k.a., “guaranteed issue.” Here’s what he has to say about that (emphasis added):
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It is important to recognize some limitations in our modeling of prices. In particular, given publicly available data we cannot incorporate the effects of the ban on pre-existing conditions exclusions. This ban will cause a rise in premiums as insurers are forced to cover conditions that they had previously excluded. In addition, there are new premium taxes on insurers that will raise premium rates…Overall, we cannot predict the net impacts of these factors on premiums without more analysis.
It is precisely this aspect of the law—its requirement that insurers cover those with pre-existing conditions—that is central to the analysis conducted by PriceWaterhouseCoopers, the analysis that Gruber and other PPACA advocates criticized back in 2009.
The whole reason that Obamacare includes an individual mandate—the controversial requirement that everyone buy health insurance—is that the law requires insurers to cover people with pre-existing conditions. Without an individual mandate, people could wait until they were sick to buy insurance, because their illness would now be a “pre-existing condition.” This, in turn, would drive up the cost of insurance, leading to the infamous adverse selection death spiral in which nobody bothers to buy insurance, except for the very ill, because it is too expensive.
The adverse selection death spiral
The problem, as PwC points out, is that the individual mandate is too weak. “While the new market rules [regarding pre-existing conditions] are implemented in full in [2014], the individual coverage requirement is…phased in gradually.”
The fine for not purchasing health insurance under PPACA is $95 per person in 2014 (or 1% of taxable income, whichever is greater), $325 in 2015 (or 2%), and $695 in 2016 (or 2.5%). Thereafter, the mandate is indexed to inflation.
In addition, many people are exempted from the mandate, such as those for whom premiums exceed 8 percent of household income. Hence, as premiums increase, more and more people will be exempted from the mandate.
The size of the mandate’s penalty is puny in comparison to the cost of health insurance. According to the government’s Medical Expenditure Panel Survey (MEPS), the average premium for an individual plan in 2010 was $4,940. If we assume that premiums increase by 6 percent a year—the historical rate—the maximum $695 mandate will account for only 10 percent of average premiums.
Because the mandate is weakly enforced, small in size, and gradually put into place, whereas the pre-existing condition mandate takes effect immediately, Obamacare creates the recipe for an adverse selection death spiral. “We would anticipate significant adverse selection to occur in the existing market,” reports PwC, “increasing premiums for those who have coverage today. Higher premiums will result in more individuals being exempted from the coverage requirement…the penalties will be phased in, so that they will not reach full effectiveness for several years. This lack of coordination increases the likelihood of a premium spiral that ‘gets ahead’ of the coverage requirement which…may further reduce the incentive for those who are healthy to buy coverage. This may then cause an increase in premiums for those with coverage today.”
Community rating increases insurance costs for the young
Many of the people who go uninsured are young people. The young are just entering the work force, and therefore typically have below-average incomes. In addition, the young are healthy, and have much less use for expensive health insurance.
Obamacare forces insurers to charge their eldest beneficiaries no more than 3 times what they charge their youngest ones: a policy known as “community rating.” This, despite the fact that these older beneficiaries typically have six times the health expenditures that younger people face. The net effect of this “community rating” provision is the redistribution of insurance costs from the old to the young.
According to my sources, this was a favor that Democrats did for the AARP, which was advocating for its older members. Democrats were happy to help out their ally, whose members are active at the voting booth, compared to younger Americans, who vote less often. The AARP actually wanted Obamacare to have a community rating ratio of 2:1—that is, insurers could charge their eldest beneficiaries only twice what they charged their youngest. But they had to settle for 3:1.
The real problem is how the community rating provision interacts with the individual mandate. As I described above, the individual mandate is too weak. Hence, the young—who will face the steepest increases in their health insurance premiums—will be further deterred from buying coverage, which will in turn enhance the adverse selection death spiral.
The danger of relying on one man’s estimates
The central policy argument for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is that it would increase access to health care for those who are currently uninsured, while leaving the system intact for those who are already covered. “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan,” as President Obama has repeatedly said.
Indeed, Jonathan Gruber promised that, based on his microsimulation model, the law would “for sure” reduce insurance premiums. And Gruber’s numbers were relied on, almost exclusively, by the bill’s most prominent advocates.
But Gruber, in a span of two years, has gone from claiming that the law would reduce non-group premiums by 13 to 31 percent, to estimating that they will increase those premiums by 19 to 30 percent. Worse still, Gruber’s model doesn’t adequately account for the law’s central feature: its requirement that insurers take on all comers, regardless of pre-existing conditions, while only weakly enforcing a nominal fine on those individuals who try to game the system.
The only thing that seems “for sure” is that there are flaws in Gruber’s model.
What happens if the Supremes intervene?
Next week, as you probably know, the Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in HHS v. Florida, the case that will determine the constitutionality of the individual mandate. Both sides in the case agree that, if the individual mandate is struck, the community rating and guaranteed-issue provisions should be struck as well.
If the Supremes do in fact overturn those three provisions of the law, you’ll still see an adverse selection death spiral. The law still drives up the cost of insurance through its “essential benefits” and “minimum actuarial value” provisions. Younger workers, who make less money, will be least able to afford such coverage, and will need to take advantage of the law’s taxpayer-funded insurance subsidies.
The bottom line is that there is no quick fix for the Affordable Care Act’s array of policy mistakes. We would be much better off repealing the law and starting over.
Follow Avik on Twitter at @aviksaroy.
UPDATE 1: Karl Rove highlights Gruber’s change of heart in the Wall Street Journal.
Also, Catherine Rampell of the New York Times runs a profile of Gruber, in which she describes him as having “nearly cornered the market on the technical science behind these sorts of predictions.” Other models used by RAND and Lewin “all use Mr. Gruber’s work as a benchmark.”
In addition, Rampell portrays Gruber as being emotionally invested in Obamacare, quoting him as saying “my stomach started churning” as he took in the news from the Supreme Court. “[Princeton sociologist Paul] Starr said he thought Mr. Gruber in particular was overstating the effectiveness of the mandate because ‘it’s his baby,’” she adds.
More from the piece about how Gruber’s model drove the estimates of the Congressional Budget Office:
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Along with these credentials, Mr. Gruber’s position as an adviser to the influential Congressional Budget Office also left him perfectly positioned to advise the White House on health reform.
“The most important arbiter of everything was the C.B.O.,” said Neera Tanden, who was a senior adviser for health reform at the Department of Health and Human Services.
The C.B.O.’s assessment of a bill’s efficacy and costs strongly influences political debate, but the office does not publicly reveal how it calculates those numbers.
“We knew the numbers he gave us would be close to where the C.B.O. was likely to come out,” Ms. Tanden said. She was right…
Even though he was brought in by the White House, Congressional staff members from both parties trusted him because he was seen as an econometric wonk, not a political agent. But soon his very involvement with the bill caused questions about his objectivity to be raised in the news media.
During and after the bill’s slog through Congress, he frequently spoke with reporters and wrote opinion pieces supporting the Affordable Care Act but did not always mention his role in helping to devise it.
He says he regrets not being more upfront about his involvement with the administration. But he does not apologize for publicly advocating the legislation, and continuing to do so — including through a comic book he wrote to explain the law.
“Yes, I want the public to be informed by an objective expert,” he says. “But the thing is, I know more about this law than any other economist.”
UPDATE 2: To review my extensive coverage of the individual mandate at the Supreme Court, go here.
UPDATE 3: On May 3, Jonathan Gruber and I appeared on the Patt Morrison show on Southern California Public Radio to discuss this issue among others, and the following exchange occurred (emphasis added):
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Gruber: What I’m saying is that the average price that individuals pay for health insurance will not change a whole lot [under the Affordable Care Act]. The difference is that the risk you face of facing a very high price will change. We’ll essentially move from a system that essentially is a lottery…to one in which you’re sure what you’ll pay just on your age. Certainty, I think, will bring a lot of security to individuals…
Morrison: Avik Roy, a lot of people really wonder whether insurance policies—individual policies—would get any cheaper on this new market at all, when there are exclusions, when there are deductibles, that seem impossible to reach.
Roy: Yeah. One of the big concerns with the Affordable Care Act, as Jonathan has actually described in some of his publications, is that, because the law requires the exchanges to offer insurance plans that are fairly generous, the law will actually drive up the cost of insurance purchased on those markets. And that’s going to create a problem where more and more people are priced out of the market…
Morrison: In the minute we have left, let me go back to Jonathan Gruber and ask, what happened in Massachusetts, and whether you really think that the cost of…these individual policies that many people may find themselves on the market for, if the health care overhaul law is upheld, if it’s going to get any cheaper than the kinds of horror stories we hear from listeners?
Gruber: Well, in Massachusetts, it got a ton cheaper. We actually cut the cost of the typical non-group policy in half. The typical individual policy cost half as much afterwards as before. But Massachusetts was in a relatively unique position. We had put into place a lot of regulations which had raised our prices beforehand. You know, different people get different estimates. I think our best guess is that, on average, prices will remain about the same. In these markets, if you average across the states, it will go up in some states. Some states I’ve looked at, it’s going to go up, in Massachusetts it went down. The big difference is going to be that the sick will pay less, and the healthy will pay somewhat more.
What Gruber doesn’t have time to explain is that if the healthy pay “somewhat more,” the healthy will have even less incentive to buy health insurance, which will lead to more adverse selection, leading to higher prices for the sick and others who buy insurance.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/03/22/how-obamacare-dramatically-increases-the-cost-of-insurance-for-young-workers
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THE FUCKING AUTHOR OF OBAMACARE BOTH SHIT ON BOTH OPTION FAIL AND LICKER
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Omg... while this idiot just makes shit up as he goes.
Lurker... this guy is done
Who said there arent going to be any doctors... Where are you getting that from...
And again, tell me.. how exactly this is gonna cost more... which was Ozmos question as well
The author of ObamaCare just shit all over you and Lurker.
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Higher Health Insurance Premiums This Year? Blame ObamaCare
Most Americans saw their insurance bills jump this year, according to a new study from the Kaiser Family Foundation. The average employer-based premium for a family increased a startling 9% in 2011. Over the next decade, rates are expected to double.
The Kaiser report is only the latest piece of research to indicate that ObamaCare isn’t driving down health care costs, as its proponents promised, but is instead accelerating their rise.
This year, the average premium for a family hit $15,073 — $1,303, or 9%, higher than the year before. And that’s on top of increases of 5% in 2009 and 3% in 2010.
Employees are picking up a substantial portion of that tab. They paid an average of $4,129 for their family insurance premiums this year — more than double what they shelled out 10 years ago. And that figure doesn’t include out-of-pocket health expenses.
These premium hikes have outpaced general inflation and salary increases — and thus are swallowing a greater share of American households’ budgets. A study published in the September 2011 issue of Health Affairs found that burgeoning health costs have decimated nearly an entire decade’s worth of income gains. In 2009, the average American family had just $95 more to spend at will than it did in 1999.
Worse, there’s no relief in sight. Next year, employers expect premiums to rise 7.2%, according to the National Business Group on Health.
Over the next ten years, American families can expect rising health costs to continue to offset pay raises. According to the Kaiser study, premiums are set to reach a whopping $32,175 by 2021. And more than 50% of employers have stated that they plan to shift a greater share of health-insurance costs onto their employees.
ObamaCare is to blame for much of these impending increases. Richard Foster, the Chief Actuary for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), reports that America will spend an additional $311 billion on health care in the next decade because of the law.
CMS estimates the growth in health insurance costs will increase 10 extra percentage points in 2014 because of ObamaCare — a 14% increase, versus 3.5% without the law.
In 2020, the net cost of health insurance is estimated to be $271 billion. Without ObamaCare, that number would have been $248.7 billion — a difference of more than $22 billion.
ObamaCare drives up the cost of insurance by piling mandates and required coverage benefits onto every single policy.
Consider the so-called “slacker mandate,” which requires all family policies to cover adult children until they turn 26. According to a recent federal report, nearly 1 million young adults gained health coverage this year thanks to the mandate.
Of course, adding them to their parents’ policies isn’t free.
Towers Watson found that the rise in young-adult enrollment was responsible for premium increases of as much as 3% at many firms.
Even the feds admit that the mandate means that families will pay more. According to HHS, each new dependent will tack on an additional $3,380 to their parents’ insurance costs this year. By 2013, extra dependents will add $3,690 to families’ annual insurance bills.
That cost impact is even more significant because most of those who seek coverage through their parents know that they’ll need care. This “adverse selection” issue results in a sicker — and thus costlier — overall insurance pool.
Or take the “essential benefits package” — the list of health care services that all policies must cover. Already, benefit mandates at the state level force up premiums by an average of 10.5%, according to Pacific Research Institute scholar Dr. Benjamin Zycher.
Slathering federal mandates on top of existing state mandates will drive costs even higher — and thereby make coverage unaffordable for more people. Massachusetts Institute of Technology economist Jonathan Gruber — a supporter and architect of ObamaCare — estimates that a 10% hike in the cost of the essential benefits package could increase the number of uninsured by 1.5 million.
There’s no way around it — ObamaCare isn’t saving anybody money. Americans should agitate for its full repeal and replacement– before they watch the cost of their health insurance consume yet another year’s worth of salary gains.
Sally C. Pipes is President, CEO, and Taube Fellow in Health Care Studies at the Pacific Research Institute. Her latest book is The Truth About ObamaCare (Regnery 2010).
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This article is available online at:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2011/10/10/higher-health-insurance-premiums-this-year-blame-obamacare
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AUTHOR OF OBAMACARE SAYS OPTION FAIL AND LICKER ARE WRONG.
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So with all these new 30 million people not currently using the system, who now going to use the system, and not one single new doctor under ObamaCare, how does that work again? Who is going to see these people?
You are a scared little man afraid of progress. There has always been people like you. The same people who claimed the earth was flat, and was the center of the universe etc.. In the middleages you would be burning withes.
You could use the same argument for when we started building hospitals instead of getting threated by a witch doctor. Why build hospitals? its gonna be expensive and we dont have doctors for it.
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You are a scared little man afraid of progress. There has always been people like you. The same people who claimed the earth was flat, and was the center of the universe etc.. In the middleages you would be burning withes.
You could use the same argument for when we started building hospitals instead of getting threated by a witch doctor. Why build hospitals? its gonna be expensive and we dont have doctors for it.
Slathering federal mandates on top of existing state mandates will drive costs even higher — and thereby make coverage unaffordable for more people. Massachusetts Institute of Technology economist Jonathan Gruber — a supporter and architect of ObamaCare — estimates that a 10% hike in the cost of the essential benefits package could increase the number of uninsured by 1.5 million.
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Watch and listen carefully you dopes.
Schiff knows far more about basic economics than you tools.
Its common sense - you can't add 30 million new people into a system utilizing resources without higher costs.
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Higher Health Insurance Premiums This Year? Blame ObamaCare
This article is available online at:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2011/10/10/higher-health-insurance-premiums-this-year-blame-obamacare
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AUTHOR OF OBAMACARE SAYS OPTION FAIL AND LICKER ARE WRONG.
Ok....lets go... What did i say that was contrary to what he said.. Please tell me how my discussion about THE TAX PAYERS BILL AND ER ROOM vs Insured patients....
Where did i talk about premiums? I talked about insured vs uninsured and the cost of care... and its a stone cold fact that Er visits are more than Doctor visits. So again.. where did he prove i was wrong.... Im awaiting your response.. Boom.. the mal wins again
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Ok....lets go... What did i say that was contrary to what he said.. Please tell me how my discussion about THE TAX PAYERS BILL AND ER ROOM vs Insured patients....
Where did i talk about premiums? I talked about insured vs uninsured and the cost of care... and its a stone cold fact that Er visits are more than Doctor visits. So again.. where did he prove i was wrong.... Im awaiting your response.. Boom.. the mal wins again
The point is that the obamacare mandates and premiuims are not going to solve the problem of the uninsured using the ER since in this horrible economy they will pay the much lower penalty, go without insurance, and use the ER anyway.
The issue is cost - something obamacare did nothing about - just like obama said in 2008.
He lied, he fucked us all, and there is no way you can spin this.
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The point is that the obamacare mandates and premiuims are not going to solve the problem of the uninsured using the ER since in this horrible economy they will pay the much lower penalty, go without insurance, and use the ER anyway.
The issue is cost - something obamacare did nothing about - just like obama said in 2008.
He lied, he fucked us all, and there is no way you can spin this.
No no no no fucking now.. You said it will cost more because the injection of 30 mil people into the newly insured pool and no new doctors.. Thats false. First off when you say cost, youre talking about tax payers.. And insuring 30 mil people and lessening the burden on ER care means it will cost the taxpayers less. Thats what was discussed, thats what i commented on. Dont take me DIRECTLY DISPUTING YOUR ASSESMENT OF HEALTHCARE as some kind of "spin".. Thats what you do... Now like i said.. and the fact still remains.. after this long ass article you cut and past.... you are fucking wrong on the cost.. and thats just that,.
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One of the ways that Obamacare supposedly "insures" people is via Medicade guess who pays for that? and guess what? Many states, already 15 and counting, are saying they are not going along with this scam since it is going to skyrocket costs that no one has any way to pay for.
So guess what - those people who were supposed to be insured are going to get nothing and still use the ER first.
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One of the ways that Obamacare supposedly "insures" people is via Medicade guess who pays for that? and guess what? Many states, already 15 and counting, are saying they are not going along with this scam since it is going to skyrocket costs that no one has any way to pay for.
So guess what - those people who were supposed to be insured are going to get nothing and still use the ER first.
In most cases, especially for red states ,the Federal Government will pay ~ 90% of it
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In most cases, especially for red states ,the Federal Government will pay ~ 90% of it
Yeah ok, keep dreaming. We are already running trillion dollar deficits and the govt is broke. Guess what happens when interest rates rise and Fedzilla no longer has funds to make those payments?
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Yeah ok, keep dreaming. We are already running trillion dollar deficits and the govt is broke. Guess what happens when interest rates rise and Fedzilla no longer has funds to make those payments?
You asked who pays for it and I told you
How soon after Romney is beaten by Obama do you think a reublican governors will take the Federal $'s. Jindal will probably be first on the list
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You asked who pays for it and I told you
How soon after Romney is beaten by Obama do you think a reublican governors will take the Federal $'s. Jindal will probably be first on the list
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Yeah, cause its all "FREE" right?
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just a big phony show by the repub govs. did the same with the stimulus money but grabed it like a bunch of drunken sailers
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AUTHOR OF OBAMACARE SAYS OPTION FAIL AND LICKER ARE WRONG.
Seeing how this is COMPLETELY UNRELATED to the simple question I asked and your dumb ass hasn't yet been able to answer I would have to say, no he didn't.
A bit more reading comprehension would greatly help you from getting your ass handed to you day after day.
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Yeah, cause its all "FREE" right?
nothing is free except your continued mental derangement
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nothing is free except your continued mental derangement
And if the tax revenue generated from the ObamaCare taxes does not meet expectations, like most of the time, where will the govt get the money to give to the states, who themselves are already mostly strapped?
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Look at this dingbat still crying.
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And if the tax revenue generated from the ObamaCare taxes does not meet expectations, like most of the time, where will the govt get the money to give to the states, who themselves are already mostly strapped?
hopefully by taxing shitty lawyers and people who think Obama is a communist/marxist/socialists
btw - what are you even worried about
The Dems are going to kick Obama off the ticket at the convention and then they run Hilary who will only have a few months and no money so Romney is assured an easy win
Then on his first day he claims he will just repeal the entire legislation (something that is technically impossible on day one, even if Repubs control the House and Senate - but what's a little dishonesty among friends)
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hopefully by taxing shitty lawyers and people who think Obama is a communist/marxist/socialists
btw - what are you even worried about
The Dems are going to kick Obama off the ticket at the convention and then they run Hilary who will only have a few months and no money so Romney is assured an easy win
Then on his first day he claims he will just repeal the entire legislation (something that is technically impossible on day one, even if Repubs control the House and Senate - but what's a little dishonesty among friends)
Sorry. Didn't you hear? Obama is resigning and seeking a pardon. Or else unemployed docs are going to be torching cities. The Globe said so.
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Apple lobbies obama and the congress to force people to buy an ipad as part of an "education law" or face a tax penalty - legal
Ruger lobbies Romney to force Americans to buy firearms under 'anti-Crime" law or face a tax - legal
Chevy wants to recoup its losses from the bailout by forcing us to buy a volt or face a tax - legal
Solyndra lobbies obama to force americans to buy its solar panels under new "Environmental Law" or face a tax - legal
NYSC lobbies Romney to force people to buy gym memberships under new "Anti-Obesity" law or face a tax - legal
Monsanto lobbies Obama to force american to buy tomatos, salads, etc under new "Safe Food" law or face a tax - legal
Trek lobbies the congress and president to force people to by a mountain bike as part of "anti-obesity" law or face a tax - legal
Valvoline lobbies president and congress to mandate proof of oil changes in your car every 4,000 miles as part of "transportation law" or face a tax - legal
American Standard lobbies president and congress to by new toilet bowl w new tech as part of "safe water" act or face a tax - legal
DO YOU PEOPLE GET IT YET?
Or...
1. Obama forces people to pay taxes for K-12 Public education for other kids, even if you have none.
2. Obama forces people to pay taxes to build roads for other people to drive on, even if you don't have a car.
3. Obama forces people to pay taxes to police and fire-fighters even if you never need them.
4. Obama forces people to pay for the military even if they don't support where they go.
5. Obama forces people to pay for Auto-Insurance even though they've never had a wreck.
All 100% Legal! Shame on Obama! Shame!
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