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Just an interesting video that I found. Discuss or, if you prefer, froth at the mouth.
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Read 19 times, 0 replies. Is anyone here surprised? Anything that is genuinely intellectually substantive gets conveniently ignored by leftists.
Here is another inconvenient stat:
“Someone calculated that the taxes he [Obama] would raise in his Buffett Rule would pay for 11 hours of government.”
— Mitt Romney, April 16, 2012
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/mitt-romneys-correct-stat-on-the-buffett-rule/2012/04/23/gIQAJ4NzcT_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/mitt-romneys-correct-stat-on-the-buffett-rule/2012/04/23/gIQAJ4NzcT_blog.html)
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simple and fairest remedy
let the Bush tax cuts expire and everyone's taxes cut up by ~ 2-3%
surely rich people would have no problem with that because it's not just them carrying the burden
It's insane that Repubs (and Dems) let Bush lower taxes while starting 2 new wars and increasing the goverment payroll
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simple and fairest remedy
let the Bush tax cuts expire and everyone's taxes cut up by ~ 2-3%
surely rich people would have no problem with that because it's not just them carrying the burden
It's insane that Repubs (and Dems) let Bush lower taxes while starting 2 new wars and increasing the goverment payroll
Can we go back to the level of spending when the Bush tax cuts were enacted as a % of GDP too?
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Can we go back to the level of spending when the Bush tax cuts were enacted as a % of GDP too?
I'd be happy with that
as you know Bush grew the Federal government payroll and Obama has reduced it
either that or we double down on the tax cuts and we'll get to that magical inflection point where lower rates result in greater tax revenue
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I'd be happy with that
as you know Bush grew the Federal government payroll and Obama has reduced it
either that or we double down on the tax cuts and we'll get to that magical inflection point where lower rates result in greater tax revenue
Obama reduced it? LOL.
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simple and fairest remedy
let the Bush tax cuts expire and everyone's taxes cut up by ~ 2-3%
surely rich people would have no problem with that because it's not just them carrying the burden
Double dip recession coming your way!
It's insane that Repubs (and Dems) let Bush lower taxes while starting 2 new wars and increasing the goverment payroll
Agree on that point. Had they simply slowed government spending, Bush would have left office with a balanced budget. Which reveals the true culprit of the deficit: overspending, not undertaxation.
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Double dip recession coming your way!
Agree on that point. Had they simply slowed government spending, Bush would have left office with a balanced budget. Which reveals the true culprit of the deficit: overspending, not undertaxation.
when Clinton left office there was a plan in place and working that would have paid off all the debt by the end of 2010
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Just an interesting video that I found. Discuss or, if you prefer, froth at the mouth.
his best point is not if there are enough rich to tax but when he mentions cutting spending at the very end of the freaking video. That's the big problem. I really don't give a rats ass if the megawealthy have to pay a little more than others and I wouldn't give a shit if I was megarich either. Our fucking spending is out of control. Solve that problem, I doubt the tax issue is much of a concern to anyone. How much have we watched government grow since 9/11? a fucking lot. that's the problem. There wouldn't be a call to tax the rich more if you fixed that shit.
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Anybody here actually think the size of government is going to decrease under Romney?
BWHAHAHahahahaha...
Still fucking pissed not enough people would support Ron Paul. You don't get another chance now. Those who didn't support him will watch the same retarded show go on, even under Romney.
Thank all the morons like BB out there for it....
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Anybody here actually think the size of government is going to decrease under Romney?
BWHAHAHahahahaha...
Still fucking pissed not enough people would support Ron Paul. You don't get another chance now. Those who didn't support him will watch the same retarded show go on, even under Romney.
mark levin called them "rupaul supporters". They couldn't stand up to that kind of heat.
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mark levin called them "rupaul supporters". They couldn't stand up to that kind of heat.
Levin is the worst kind of scum. He doesn't give a shit about this country.
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What cracks me up is the amount of poor people that beat that drum: don't tax the rich!
My daughter told her BF the other day: you are not making enough money to be a conservative. Lol
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Read 19 times, 0 replies. Is anyone here surprised? Anything that is genuinely intellectually substantive gets conveniently ignored by leftists.
Here is another inconvenient stat:
“Someone calculated that the taxes he [Obama] would raise in his Buffett Rule would pay for 11 hours of government.”
— Mitt Romney, April 16, 2012
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/mitt-romneys-correct-stat-on-the-buffett-rule/2012/04/23/gIQAJ4NzcT_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/mitt-romneys-correct-stat-on-the-buffett-rule/2012/04/23/gIQAJ4NzcT_blog.html)
dude, its not about taxing the rich hoping that those taxes will cover our deficits, its about taxing the rich fairly and getting them to pay their fair share..no more no less..the thing I find so funny is that the rich have done such a great job of brainwashing the American public into thinking that taxing the rich fairly is wrong.....
they turn the argument into a "redistribution of wealth" argument...saying that their hard-earned tax dollars are going toward welfare...in reality, if they don't pay it, the middle class will......it IS a massive redistribution of wealth.....they have shunked their tax burden onto the middle and working class....we are paying our taxes AND theirs as well.....we pay in terms of the higher interest rates that come from borrowing the extra money that they don't pay
good job by them pulling the wool over the eyes of the conservatives and Republicans
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Obama reduced it? LOL.
all stats say he has..and you know this....thats why arguing with you is a waste of time...you know certain things to be true yet you still argue your stupid points
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when Clinton left office there was a plan in place and working that would have paid off all the debt by the end of 2010
very true
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Anybody here actually think the size of government is going to decrease under Romney?
BWHAHAHahahahaha...
Still fucking pissed not enough people would support Ron Paul. You don't get another chance now. Those who didn't support him will watch the same retarded show go on, even under Romney.
Thank all the morons like BB out there for it....
dude..quit it with the Ron Paul stuff...he is an idiot and a moron...he wants to take our gov't back to the 1700's...he's a nutjob
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What cracks me up is the amount of poor people that beat that drum: don't tax the rich!
My daughter told her BF the other day: you are not making enough money to be a conservative. Lol
your daughter is very wise...good line!
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dude..quit it with the Ron Paul stuff...he is an idiot and a moron...he wants to take our gov't back to the 1700's...he's a nutjob
It's true, he wants to take our government back to a time when it stayed in line with The Constitution... Oh the horror of it all..., no say it isn't so lol....
What was I thinking, of course we're on the right path now. Just look at the bullshit happening. Who the hell am I to think someone like Ron Paul might come along and remind us all of the course set by our founding fathers and why it was set. Yes, you're right, he's a nutjob to think that our government needs to stay constitutional ::)
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Anybody here actually think the size of government is going to decrease under Romney?
BWHAHAHahahahaha...
Still fucking pissed not enough people would support Ron Paul. You don't get another chance now. Those who didn't support him will watch the same retarded show go on, even under Romney.
Thank all the morons like BB out there for it....
I dont think anybody expects the govt to shrink with romney.
what you should realize though is that the ppl voting for romney want the govt to shrink.
the ppl voting for the person you voted for last election dont think the govt needs to shrink.
this should solidify your vote for the rest of your FUCKING LIFE HUGO!!!!!!!
ask straw if he thinks the govt is to big...
ask andre....
ask blackass....
vote conservative(notice I didnt say republican, I said conservative)
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I dont think anybody expects the govt to shrink with romney.
what you should realize though is that the ppl voting for romney want the govt to shrink.
the ppl voting for the person you voted for last election dont think the govt needs to shrink.
this should solidify your vote for the rest of your FUCKING LIFE HUGO!!!!!!!
ask straw if he thinks the govt is to big...
ask andre....
ask blackass....
vote conservative(notice I didnt say republican, I said conservative)
Did you just give me the choice of "He will" Vs. "Says he won't but will" and then tell me that should solidify my vote for the rest of my life? LO-FUCKING-L!!!
oh yea ok tony.... whatever....
Do you really believe any of this shit at this point? Honestly? Nader can be a nut but the one thing he turns out to be spot on with is that when you look past the talk of republicans and dems, there isn't much difference between them. You'll vote in your republican and he'll do all the shit you didn't want him to do and then we'll get a dem and all hell will break loose in rage when in fact he was actually for the most part doing the same shit with a different twist. And then we go through the same fucking cycle again and again and when enough years pass, we'll say how great President X is even though the shithead just sat there taking orders from others who were the same people that influenced the president before and after him...
The shit is a bit more complicated... It's not to late to do something about it but the day is coming where it will be. Don't vote for either of these assholes.
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I dont think anybody expects the govt to shrink with romney.
what you should realize though is that the ppl voting for romney want the govt to shrink.
the ppl voting for the person you voted for last election dont think the govt needs to shrink.
this should solidify your vote for the rest of your FUCKING LIFE HUGO!!!!!!!
ask straw if he thinks the govt is to big...
ask andre....
ask blackass....
vote conservative(notice I didnt say republican, I said conservative)
HA!..funny.....The so-called conservatives are growing gov't just like the libs....Bush....two unfunded wars...prescription drug bill.....huge homeland security budget....huge military expenditures....Conserva tives have sold you guys a bill of goods...they expand gov't just as much as the libs but in a different way...you guys are just so mesmerized by their rhetoric you don't see whats right in front of your eyes
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It's true, he wants to take our government back to a time when it stayed in line with The Constitution... Oh the horror of it all..., no say it isn't so lol....
What was I thinking, of course we're on the right path now. Just look at the bullshit happening. Who the hell am I to think someone like Ron Paul might come along and remind us all of the course set by our founding fathers and why it was set. Yes, you're right, he's a nutjob to think that our government needs to stay constitutional ::)
Read andres posts in other threads and you'll completely understand his political outlook. He's more or less admitted that he supports a government that runs peoples life for them.
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Did you just give me the choice of "He will" Vs. "Says he won't but will" and then tell me that should solidify my vote for the rest of my life? LO-FUCKING-L!!!
oh yea ok tony.... whatever....
Do you really believe any of this shit at this point? Honestly? Nader can be a nut but the one thing he turns out to be spot on with is that when you look past the talk of republicans and dems, there isn't much difference between them. You'll vote in your republican and he'll do all the shit you didn't want him to do and then we'll get a dem and all hell will break loose in rage when in fact he was actually for the most part doing the same shit with a different twist. And then we go through the same fucking cycle again and again and when enough years pass, we'll say how great President X is even though the shithead just sat there taking orders from others who were the same people that influenced the president before and after him...
The shit is a bit more complicated... It's not to late to do something about it but the day is coming where it will be. Don't vote for either of these assholes.
agree whole heartedly, however its unrealistic and you know at least at the present time.
maybe if the economy continues to struggle or goes even further in the shitter but for now these are the 2 options we have my man.
as shitty as that is
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agree whole heartedly, however its unrealistic and you know at least at the present time.
maybe if the economy continues to struggle or goes even further in the shitter but for now these are the 2 options we have my man.
as shitty as that is
Simple Obama 2nd term - 100% chance of disaster.
Romney - 50% - 85% Chance of Disaster.
Very easy to figure out what to do.
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HA!..funny.....The so-called conservatives are growing gov't just like the libs....Bush....two unfunded wars...prescription drug bill.....huge homeland security budget....huge military expenditures....Conserva tives have sold you guys a bill of goods...they expand gov't just as much as the libs but in a different way...you guys are just so mesmerized by their rhetoric you don't see whats right in front of your eyes
agreed and the voting public should hold them accountable for that just as they should for obama
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Romney is a pawn and a sell out, he stand s for nothing and falls for everything. I'd say it's a toss up with romney edging OB by .001%.
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Simple Obama 2nd term - 100% chance of disaster.
Romney - 50% - 85% Chance of Disaster.
Very easy to figure out what to do.
pretty much agree
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Romney is a pawn and a sell out, he stand s for nothing and falls for everything. I'd say it's a toss up with romney edging OB by .001%.
Hopefully Romney can be forced into doing things. Obama is a die hard communist radical hell bent on his agenda at all costs.
No one is denying what Romney is, but any sane adult giving obama a second term after what we have seen these last 4 years needs to be beaten within an inch of their life.
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agreed and the voting public should hold them accountable for that just as they should for obama
agreed as well...but the problem is that the Dems and Libs are so much alike now...their public rhetoric not withstanding...its really entertaining for us as they fight and accuse each other of this and that...Getbig is a microcosm of that....but fiscally, they are both the same....there is basically an entrenched way of doing things in Washington that constantly needs to grow gov't to pay off constituents, PACS, various voting blocks, etc....and there is no third party option so we are basically stuck.
When you say we need to cut spending, you are absolutely right...but there is no true mechanism to do that..Obama and the Repubs compromised a year ago and now we have this spending cut thing thats supposed to go into affect and cut 20 billion or so...but we will see if it actually comes to pass or will they circumvent it the way they have done in the past..and 20 billion is a drop in the ocean
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Hopefully Romney can be forced into doing things. Obama is a die hard communist radical hell bent on his agenda at all costs.
No one is denying what Romney is, but any sane adult giving obama a second term after what we have seen these last 4 years needs to be beaten within an inch of their life.
you see?..there ya go again with stupid rhetoric that makes your argument biased..Obama is just a shade to the left of center....he has enacted some policies that are actually Republican......Hardcore on the war on terror and Afghanistan.....cutting gov't employees......extension of Bush tax cuts.....tough on deportation of illegals.....
Romney is NOT a conservative.....he is just like Obama..a shade right of center.....which is why Conservatives and the tea party are not happy with him..If he loses he will be blamed and savaged just like McCain was..Romney is a John McCain Republican....liberal and pragmatic......just much richer..,No true conservative would ever enact a universal healthcare bill....Romney did..and he can't run from that no matter how hard he tries
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when Clinton left office there was a plan in place and working that would have paid off all the debt by the end of 2010
Exactly, isn't it embarrassing for the Republicans that Clinton was MORE fiscally conservative than they were?
Bush and the Republicans didn't even have to cut spending: had they just grew spending at a slower rate than economic growth, they could have enacted the Bush tax cuts AND balanced the budget.
(http://www.fundmasteryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/heritage-spending-revenue-gap-6-2010.jpg)
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dude, its not about taxing the rich hoping that those taxes will cover our deficits, its about taxing the rich fairly and getting them to pay their fair share..no more no less..the thing I find so funny is that the rich have done such a great job of brainwashing the American public into thinking that taxing the rich fairly is wrong.....
they turn the argument into a "redistribution of wealth" argument...saying that their hard-earned tax dollars are going toward welfare...in reality, if they don't pay it, the middle class will......it IS a massive redistribution of wealth.....they have shunked their tax burden onto the middle and working class....we are paying our taxes AND theirs as well.....we pay in terms of the higher interest rates that come from borrowing the extra money that they don't pay
good job by them pulling the wool over the eyes of the conservatives and Republicans
Tell me, andre, what is a "fair" tax rate for the rich?
Right now, the top personal income tax rate is 35%, while the top tax rate on investment, which is double-taxed on the corporate and then the personal level (capital gains), is almost 45%. And that's not including state and local income, sales, and property taxes.
To me, it looks like the top 25% pays too much compared to the bottom 50%
(http://www.independentsentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Taxes.jpg)
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Tell me, andre, what is a "fair" tax rate for the rich?
Right now, the top personal income tax rate is 35%, while the top tax rate on investment, which is double-taxed on the corporate and then the personal level (capital gains), is almost 45%. And that's not including state and local income, sales, and property taxes.
To me, it looks like the top 25% pays too much compared to the bottom 50%
(http://www.independentsentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Taxes.jpg)
Its never enough for leftists
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Republican solution to this Buffet tax nonsense: take the Buffet tax in exchange for eliminating the corporate income tax. That would bring down the top tax rate on investment down to 30% while satisfying all the retards who can't understand the concept of double taxation.
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Simple Obama 2nd term - 100% chance of disaster.
Romney - 50% - 85% Chance of Disaster.
Very easy to figure out what to do.
regardless of who wins there is 100% chance you still be ranting and raving like a lunatic about every crazy idea you dream up or that Levin or Schiff tells you to be outraged or panicked about
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dude, its not about taxing the rich hoping that those taxes will cover our deficits, its about taxing the rich fairly and getting them to pay their fair share..no more no less..the thing I find so funny is that the rich have done such a great job of brainwashing the American public into thinking that taxing the rich fairly is wrong.....
they turn the argument into a "redistribution of wealth" argument...saying that their hard-earned tax dollars are going toward welfare...in reality, if they don't pay it, the middle class will......it IS a massive redistribution of wealth.....they have shunked their tax burden onto the middle and working class....we are paying our taxes AND theirs as well.....we pay in terms of the higher interest rates that come from borrowing the extra money that they don't pay
good job by them pulling the wool over the eyes of the conservatives and Republicans
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I like how morons like you and the rest of the sheeple love the use of the word "fair" yet when asked what number "fair" is you get tongue tied and try to give us the work around like you did in this post.
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Exactly, isn't it embarrassing for the Republicans that Clinton was MORE fiscally conservative than they were?
Bush and the Republicans didn't even have to cut spending: had they just grew spending at a slower rate than economic growth, they could have enacted the Bush tax cuts AND balanced the budget.
(http://www.fundmasteryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/heritage-spending-revenue-gap-6-2010.jpg)
you finally said something smart...good job :)
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Tell me, andre, what is a "fair" tax rate for the rich?
Right now, the top personal income tax rate is 35%, while the top tax rate on investment, which is double-taxed on the corporate and then the personal level (capital gains), is almost 45%. And that's not including state and local income, sales, and property taxes.
To me, it looks like the top 25% pays too much compared to the bottom 50%
(http://www.independentsentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Taxes.jpg)
oh I agree...the bottom 50% needs to pay more as well....as a matter of fact, I believe that welfare should be taxed......it is income in my view
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oh I agree...the bottom 50% needs to pay more as well....as a matter of fact, I believe that welfare should be taxed......it is income in my view
Yes they sit on a shitload of money these poor people ::)
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Exactly, isn't it embarrassing for the Republicans that Clinton was MORE fiscally conservative than they were?
Bush and the Republicans didn't even have to cut spending: had they just grew spending at a slower rate than economic growth, they could have enacted the Bush tax cuts AND balanced the budget.
(http://www.fundmasteryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/heritage-spending-revenue-gap-6-2010.jpg)
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Yes they sit on a shitload of money these poor people ::)
I see your point and I understand your sarcasm.....but EVERYONE has to contribute something.....everyone has to have a stake in whats going on.....it can't be free rides for the bottom 50%
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I see your point and I understand your sarcasm.....but EVERYONE has to contribute something.....everyone has to have a stake in whats going on.....it can't be free rides for the bottom 50%
I agree. The problem is that those that have 0% income tax liability and are hooked on govt. welfare support will outnumber the producers/workers/taxpayers in the coming years.
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I agree. The problem is that those that have 0% income tax liability and are hooked on govt. welfare support will outnumber the producers/workers/taxpayers in the coming years.
probably true
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I see your point and I understand your sarcasm.....but EVERYONE has to contribute something.....everyone has to have a stake in whats going on.....it can't be free rides for the bottom 50%
Its not a free ride if you dont own a horse to ride on
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Its not a free ride if you dont own a horse to ride on
Well, those that are hooked on free stuff and get accustomed to that will never go out and get a job to buy the horse to ride on.
In the U.K. they have people on the welfare rolls that have been on the full govt. teat for their whole lives. This is a situation that this nation has been driving towards for quite some time.
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If 100% of all assets from Americans making 250k+ were confiscated and redirected into the coffers of the federal government, the federal government would only have enough money to fund itself for about 174 days before declaring it was bankrupt.
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Well, those that are hooked on free stuff and get accustomed to that will never go out and get a job to buy the horse to ride on.
In the U.K. they have people on the welfare rolls that have been on the full govt. teat for their whole lives. This is a situation that this nation has been driving towards for quite some time.
You cant get a job if there is no jobs to get
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If 100% of all assets from Americans making 250k+ were confiscated and redirected into the coffers of the federal government, the federal government would only have enough money to fund itself for about 174 days before declaring it was bankrupt.
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