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"Nothing...he would replace the Affordable Care Act with nothing."
When pressed if the House Republican health care plan will keep any of the popular provisions of the Affordable Care Act, the Speaker explained the "step-by-step approach" the House will take.
"It took Decades to pass any health care bill.....if the GOPs win the elections, they will try to repeal ACA and they will never pass a bill to replace it."
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Who gives a shit? Let the uninsured mongrels weed themselves out. :-*
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Who gives a shit? Let the uninsured mongrels weed themselves out. :-*
kill yourself ;) :-*
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kill yourself ;) :-*
Even if I tried, I have insurance, so I'd be kept alive. homo.
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Even if I tried, I have insurance, so I'd be kept alive. homo.
Not if you do it right...I suspect you are too dumb to accomplish the act :-\
I could see "irongrip400" trying suicide like AJ Soprano and failing miserably. hahaha Oh brother! ::) Dumber than dog food.
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what makes it the responsability of the fed to make sure everyone has healthcare , thats not what they are elected to do
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what makes it the responsability of the fed to make sure everyone has healthcare , thats not what they are elected to do
What about a 3 year old child who doesn't have healthcare because their parents refuse to get a job with healthcare or for that matter, have a job at all? Why should the child suffer for something that he or she has no control over at this stage in their life?
In the USA, how do children as young as that receive good healthcare?
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what makes it the responsability of the fed to make sure everyone has healthcare , thats not what they are elected to do
It's spelled "responsibility." ::)
It is in the interests of insured Americans that we do not have uninsured people going to the emergency room for basic healthcare, thereby driving up costs for the rest of us.
idiot
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What about a 3 year old child who doesn't have healthcare because their parents refuse to get a job with healthcare or for that matter, have a job at all? Why should the child suffer for something that he or she has no control over at this stage in their life?
In the USA, how do children as young as that receive good healthcare?
You are dealing with people who do not give a shit, and pretty much have contempt for anything that expresses compassion for children, the poor, or anyone going through extenuating circumstances. They have completely bought into the right wing orthodoxy espoused on the FOX JOKE Channel and neanderthals like Rush "Fatty Arbuckle" Limbaugh.
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It's spelled "responsibility." ::)
It is in the interests of insured Americans that we do not have uninsured people going to the emergency room for basic healthcare, thereby driving up costs for the rest of us.
idiot
Youre right, because im sure the illegals that comprises the largest group of ER patients are suddenly going to pay start paying their taxes just because Obamacare was upheld.
::)
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Who gives a shit? Let the uninsured mongrels weed themselves out. :-*
Educate yourself. ::)
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what makes it the responsability of the fed to make sure everyone has healthcare , thats not what they are elected to do
What makes it the responsibility of the fed to make sure roads are safe? Bridges safe? Police officers and fire fighters paid? Teachers paid and public schools stay open?
Or...Would you defund everything and let the private sector take over everything and toll roads be on every road, private schools only, and firefighters and police officers don't help if you can't pay them?
That'll work! ::)
Dumbass...
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What makes it the responsibility of the fed to make sure roads are safe? Bridges safe? Police officers and fire fighters paid? Teachers paid and public schools stay open?
Or...Would you defund everything and let the private sector take over everything and toll roads be on every road, private schools only, and firefighters and police officers don't help if you can't pay them?
That'll work! ::)
Dumbass...
Well, considering every toll road Ive ever been on has been 1000x nicer than their public equivalents, that may not be a good reference.
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Youre right, because im sure the illegals that comprises the largest group of ER patients are suddenly going to pay start paying their taxes just because Obamacare was upheld.
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Actually that is not true. Illegals are not the main reason for E.R. problems. I have a close friend who works in the E.R. Most of the people are white or black. The problem is healthcare, they don't have it and use E.R. as a primary doctor.
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Well, considering every toll road Ive ever been on has been 1000x nicer than their public equivalents, that may not be a good reference.
Nicer, but typically avoided! But if you wan't to be stopped several times on the way to work to pay just to take the road....go to a country that does this oh so efficient practice...
In the end, nothing would stop them from increasing or choosing their own rates or gouging the customers. If there was some law to prevent this or to stabilize the price, and this was done in a way it just subtracted $ from your account as you drove by, Is this any different from a tax? The only difference is that people who can't afford to take toll roads basically can't go anywhere! This would complicate things to the extreme.
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Youre right, because im sure the illegals that comprises the largest group of ER patients are suddenly going to pay start paying their taxes just because Obamacare was upheld.
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Illegal immigration is another issue, for which the GOP also have no answer. ::)
Let the issue of illegals be a separate topic...legal citizens of the United States drive up your costs and mine (assuming you are insured, "Shockwave") by showing up at the emergency room for all of their healthcare needs.
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Actually that is not true. Illegals are not the main reason for E.R. problems. I have a close friend who works in the E.R. Most of the people are white or black. The problem is healthcare, they don't have it and use E.R. as a primary doctor.
Depends on where you're living. Where I've lived, they've comprised the majority of ER visits. They bring their fucking kids in for fucking colds.
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Depends on where you're living. Where I've lived, they've comprised the majority of ER visits. They bring their fucking kids in for fucking colds.
Where do you live? And do you have links showing this to be the case? People bring their kids in for colds period...illegals and legals. Blacks and whites and hispanics. The only uniting factor is that they are all uninsured...Like 50 million Americans are (all citizens)
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Where do you live? And do you have links showing this to be the case? People bring their kids in for colds period...illegals and legals. Blacks and whites and hispanics. The only uniting factor is that they are all uninsured...Like 50 million Americans are (all citizens)
Washington state originally, Houston Tx now.
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kill yourself ;) :-*
Someone struck a nerve with the jig!LOL
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"Wow. Not much difference from President Obama's position. Save that Mr. Obama is honest about his position and Mitt has both flip flopped and lied. And he wants to be president. How can Teavangelicals get excited about this guy?!?"
See Mitt Romney Promote an Individual Mandate
Just like Willard said...no free riders. Isn't that what republicans like to rail against? You know, like the individual mandate (with tax penalties for those who choose not to get insurance) that the GOP was in favor of FOR THE LAST TWENTY YEARS, until president Obama agreed with them?
Whatever Obama supports, the republicans reflexively go against, even if it is policy they supported previously...even if it is in the best interest of millions of Americans...as long as they can avoid giving the president a "victory."
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Easiest way to get rid of Obamacare.....get rid of Obama.
November 2012 - real change is coming.
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what truly pathetic is you post every your fucking politics shit on this board
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"Wow. Not much difference from President Obama's position. Save that Mr. Obama is honest about his position and Mitt has both flip flopped and lied. And he wants to be president. How can Teavangelicals get excited about this guy?!?"
See Mitt Romney Promote an Individual Mandate
Just like Willard said...no free riders. Isn't that what republicans like to rail against? You know, like the individual mandate (with tax penalties for those who choose not to get insurance) that the GOP was in favor of FOR THE LAST TWENTY YEARS, until president Obama agreed with them?
Whatever Obama supports, the republicans reflexively go against, even if it is policy they supported previously...even if it is in the best interest of millions of Americans...as long as they can avoid giving the president a "victory."
Are you saying Obama has never flip flopped or lied ???
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What about a 3 year old child who doesn't have healthcare because their parents refuse to get a job with healthcare or for that matter, have a job at all? Why should the child suffer for something that he or she has no control over at this stage in their life?
In the USA, how do children as young as that receive good healthcare?
They would receive "good" healthcare through medicaid. Now shut the fuck up.
Children are covered.
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They would receive "good" healthcare through medicaid. Now shut the fuck up.
Children are covered.
Which totally sucks as medical coverage (used medicaid as a child).
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Ok assbags no child will be without care in our country as long as there lazy ass parents care enough about them to apply for medicade. If they truely are broke and cant afford it they qualify but if they can afford it and they choose not to get it well its on them. What the problem with all this is if we start giving shit out for free where does it end. My wife and I rake in about 140,000 per year together and pay about 38% of our income to taxes the last fucking thin I want to see is another failed government program that cant pay for itself let the politicians figure out a legit way to pay for this and im all for it but until then im not for it so fuck you.
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ok and the gov runs medicade and you want to put them in charge of the whole thing..... that makes perfect fucking sense ::)
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ok and the gov runs medicade and you want to put them in charge of the whole thing..... that makes perfect fucking sense ::)
The problem with medicade isn't that the govt. runs it, it is how it is set up and funded. The govt. runs police departments, fire-fighters and the military and these things tend to be pretty efficient. USPS is another example. Cheap, effective and reliable.
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The problem with medicade isn't that the govt. runs it, it is how it is set up and funded. The govt. runs police departments, fire-fighters and the military and these things tend to be pretty efficient. USPS is another example. Cheap, effective and reliable.
Not even close. I worked for a city police department. Things worked pretty well. Went to a federal department and its a fucking mess and only getting worse. Most military guys will say its pretty bad there too.
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Not even close. I worked for a city police department. Things worked pretty well. Went to a federal department and its a fucking mess and only getting worse. Most military guys will say its pretty bad there too.
What federal level and how was it a mess?
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what truly pathetic is you post every your fucking politics shit on this board
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I can not understand your version of english. Grammar is not your friend. :-X :-X
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Are you saying Obama has never flip flopped or lied ???
Why are you responding to me, since I am getbig's sole racist in your eyes, Conehead? :P
I KNOW IT DOES NOT MATTER TO YOU, BUT NO ONE HAS FLIP-FLOPPED OR LIED TO THE DEGREE AS ROMNEY HAS ON ISSUES FUNDAMENTAL TO HIS POLITICAL PARTY'S BASE.
If Willard wants to run on who has publicly reversed opinion on core party issues, he would lose by a larger margin than McCain. He knows better and will not make that mistake, trust me. Romney may be a complete PHONY, but he is not a stupid man.
Since he IS obviously your man "Chaos", what exactly are Romney's major accomplishments as governor of MA?
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Which totally sucks as medical coverage (used medicaid as a child).
What a surprise! ::)
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People bitching about off topic political posts in this forum is sort of hilarious in its irony.
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youve just summed up the gop in the best way anyone ever could.
when looking at their rallies, its obvious theyre mostly between 60 and.....dead.
means they gonna do fuck all anymore in life pretty much, but theyre tight on the money.even though they will die soon and the future can only be the young(duh).when you die, everyone is equal and money means nothing anymore.
money is the reason why healthcare thing is opposed from them, right?"cost to much"blabla.maybe a couple dollars a year per head.they have attitudes of dark ages but want to profit from modern things.
every money earned is taken from someone else directly or indirectly anyway.
obama is a shit president but this obamacare is a good thing he did.
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what makes it the responsability of the fed to make sure everyone has healthcare , thats not what they are elected to do
So what? You cant do something good unless you are ELECTED to do it? Idiot
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What a surprise! ::)
My parents were poor you twat...
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A lack of a solution is seriously a better option than the "solution" offered to us by radical leftists in the Democrat Party.
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A lack of a solution is seriously a better option than the "solution" offered to us by radical leftists in the Democrat Party.
Dude...Obama is just left of center. You don't know what "radical leftists" are do you? You've probably never met one. If you want to compare Obama and such to some of the far right individuals in the party and perhaps redefine what "center" is then Obama is "radical left", but sticking with how we have defined "right, left and center" over the past century...Obama is a tad left of center.
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Why are you responding to me, since I am getbig's sole racist in your eyes, Conehead? :P
I KNOW IT DOES NOT MATTER TO YOU, BUT NO ONE HAS FLIP-FLOPPED OR LIED TO THE DEGREE AS ROMNEY HAS ON ISSUES FUNDAMENTAL TO HIS POLITICAL PARTY'S BASE.
If Willard wants to run on who has publicly reversed opinion on core party issues, he would lose by a larger margin than McCain. He knows better and will not make that mistake, trust me. Romney may be a complete PHONY, but he is not a stupid man.
Since he IS obviously your man "Chaos", what exactly are Romney's major accomplishments as governor of MA?
Just pointing out your hypocrisy, Every single politician ever has lied and flip flopped, it's what they do.
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Who gives a shit? Let the uninsured mongrels weed themselves out. :-*
a lotta white mongrels out there
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What federal level and how was it a mess?
you really took him seriously huh?
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Dude...Obama is just left of center. You don't know what "radical leftists" are do you? You've probably never met one. If you want to compare Obama and such to some of the far right individuals in the party and perhaps redefine what "center" is then Obama is "radical left", but sticking with how we have defined "right, left and center" over the past century...Obama is a tad left of center.
Good post
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A lack of a solution is seriously a better option than the "solution" offered to us by radical leftists in the Democrat Party.
yup...
the answer of the left is to act for the sake of acting.
they dont care what the consequences are evidenced by the "we have to pass the bill to see whats in it" mentality and those that back up that idiocy(gimmicks and regulars alike in this thread)
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Dude...Obama is just left of center. You don't know what "radical leftists" are do you? You've probably never met one. If you want to compare Obama and such to some of the far right individuals in the party and perhaps redefine what "center" is then Obama is "radical left", but sticking with how we have defined "right, left and center" over the past century...Obama is a tad left of center.
Bill Clinton was left-of-center. He reduced spending as a percent of GDP and even cut taxes near the end of his term.
Obama is a radical. Obama has links to the Democratic Socialists of America (http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng45.html). Furthermore, he was an activist with ACORN - and let me assure you that moderates and centrists don't get involved with community organizing and political activism.
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Bill Clinton was left-of-center. He reduced spending as a percent of GDP and even cut taxes near the end of his term.
Obama is a radical. Obama has links to the Democratic Socialists of America (http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng45.html). Furthermore, he was an activist with ACORN - and let me assure you that moderates and centrists don't get involved with community organizing and political activism.
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Bill Clinton was left-of-center. He reduced spending as a percent of GDP and even cut taxes near the end of his term.
Obama is a radical. Obama has links to the Democratic Socialists of America (http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng45.html). Furthermore, he was an activist with ACORN - and let me assure you that moderates and centrists don't get involved with community organizing and political activism.
If you are going to make outlandish claims you'll have to provide legitimate sources. Reliable sources. Not "Chicagodsa.org" or articles written people but documented reports by reputable news organizations.
1. Obama is "radical"? How?
2. Obama has "links" to the DSA? So what?
3. Obama was an 'activist with acorn"?
I need:
1. Evidence that he was an "Activist" with ACORN
2. What "activist" means in this sense. What did he do that make shim radical with ACORN? Specifically.
Thanks.
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If you are going to make outlandish claims you'll have to provide legitimate sources. Reliable sources. Not "Chicagodsa.org" or articles written people but documented reports by reputable news organizations.
1. Obama is "radical"? How?
2. Obama has "links" to the DSA? So what?
3. Obama was an 'activist with acorn"?
I need:
1. Evidence that he was an "Activist" with ACORN
2. What "activist" means in this sense. What did he do that make shim radical with ACORN? Specifically.
Thanks.
Typical obama was a member of the socialist new party remember?
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Typical obama was a member of the socialist new party remember?
1. As far as I know all they did was endorse him. Unless you've got a reliable source (non-blog, non-conservative website but reputable reliable news-source other than Fox)
2. Even assuming he was a 'member', what does this matter and how does it make him "radical leftist"? Be specific.
Thanks.
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1. As far as I know all they did was endorse him. Unless you've got a reliable source (non-blog, non-conservative website but reputable reliable news-source other than Fox)
2. Even assuming he was a 'member', what does this matter and how does it make him "radical leftist"? Be specific.
Thanks.
False you liar and communist thug. He signed a contract w them. Typical illiterate Obama drone.
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False you liar and communist thug. He signed a contract w them. Typical illiterate Obama drone.
1. As far as I know all they did was endorse him. Unless you've got a reliable source (non-blog, non-conservative website but reputable reliable news-source other than Fox)
2. Even assuming he was a 'member', what does this matter and how does it make him "radical leftist"? Be specific.
3. What contract? Got sources?
Thanks.
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1. As far as I know all they did was endorse him. Unless you've got a reliable source (non-blog, non-conservative website but reputable reliable news-source other than Fox)
2. Even assuming he was a 'member', what does this matter and how does it make him "radical leftist"? Be specific.
Thanks.
don't bother with 333386 he lives in his little own dream world :D
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1. As far as I know all they did was endorse him. Unless you've got a reliable source (non-blog, non-conservative website but reputable reliable news-source other than Fox)
2. Even assuming he was a 'member', what does this matter and how does it make him "radical leftist"? Be specific.
3. What contract? Got sources?
Thanks.
Already posted - look it up
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If you are going to make outlandish claims you'll have to provide legitimate sources. Reliable sources. Not "Chicagodsa.org" or articles written people but documented reports by reputable news organizations.
Chicago DSA is the website for the Chicago Democratic Socialists of America. That is a pretty reliable source when questioning who attended their events.
1. Obama is "radical"? How?
> Unprecedented expansion in executive power: assassination of American citizens, indefinite detention, and continuation of PATRIOT Act, etc.
> Completely unconstitutional foreign war in Libya. He didn't even seek Congressional approval before launching this war. So despite running as the peace candidate, he turned out even worse than Bush.
> Ignoring the rule of law with the takeover of the Auto industry.
> Support for massive Big Government to Big Business transfers (bailouts).
> Extreme rhetoric and outright lies against the Supreme Court regarding Citizens United and then in preparation for Obamacare case.
> Consistently attacking free market capitalism and the wealthy; stoking class warfare.
> Pushing debt-to-GDP beyond 100%, earning a credit-rating downgrade.
> Installing a government take over of the health care system.
> Creating new taxes and raising existing tax rates during a recession/weak recovery ($600bn tax hikes in Obamacare).
> Fighting for doubling the capital gains tax on top earners in the midst of a recession/weak recovery.
2. Obama has "links" to the DSA? So what?
Having attended conferences held by a socialist organization doesn't make one a "radical?" Then I think it's you who doesn't understand the term, not me.
3. Obama was an 'activist with acorn"?
I need:
1. Evidence that he was an "Activist" with ACORN
2. What "activist" means in this sense. What did he do that make shim radical with ACORN? Specifically.
ACORN is a political organization. Thus, people who work for ACORN are political activists. Obama worked for ACORN. Thus, Obama was a political activist. This is a well-documented fact.
And here's where the common sense comes in: have you ever known any moderate or centrist who, instead of pursuing a (potentially) highly lucrative career, instead decided to get down in the trenches and fight for a political organization such as ACORN? The fact of the matter is simply that moderates don't get involved in this kind of political activism. And that is something I can say from experience having worked with political activist organizations on the left (Clean Water Action) and the right (Campaign for Liberty and Republican Liberty Caucus).
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Completely unconstitutional foreign war in Libya. He didn't even seek Congressional approval before launching this war. So despite running as the peace candidate, he turned out even worse than Bush.
Dont forget, actually told congress he would seek UN approval and then go and TELL congress what his decision was, completely bypassing them and making the UN the only group he answers too.
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Chicago DSA is the website for the Chicago Democratic Socialists of America. That is a pretty reliable source when questioning who attended their events.
It doesn't say he had a contract with them. And where does it say he was a "member"? And, again, even if he was a "member" what is the implication here and how does it make him "radical"?
> Unprecedented expansion in executive power: assassination of American citizens, indefinite detention, and continuation of PATRIOT Act, etc.
> Completely unconstitutional foreign war in Libya. He didn't even seek Congressional approval before launching this war. So despite running as the peace candidate, he turned out even worse than Bush.
> Ignoring the rule of law with the takeover of the Auto industry.
> Support for massive Big Government to Big Business transfers (bailouts).
> Extreme rhetoric and outright lies against the Supreme Court regarding Citizens United and then in preparation for Obamacare case.
> Consistently attacking free market capitalism and the wealthy; stoking class warfare.
> Pushing debt-to-GDP beyond 100%, earning a credit-rating downgrade.
> Installing a government take over of the health care system.
> Creating new taxes and raising existing tax rates during a recession/weak recovery ($600bn tax hikes in Obamacare).
> Fighting for doubling the capital gains tax on top earners in the midst of a recession/weak recovery.
I'm gonna need a source for every claim here as well as a detailed explanation of what makes it "radical leftist".
Thanks.
Having attended conferences held by a socialist organization doesn't make one a "radical?" Then I think it's you who doesn't understand the term, not me.
Not necessarily. I've been to all sorts of conferences organized by groups I didn't agree with. Try again.
ACORN is a political organization. Thus, people who work for ACORN are political activists. Obama worked for ACORN. Thus, Obama was a political activist. This is a well-documented fact.
That is a logical fallacy. ALL people who work for ACORN are political activists? And what political activism did Obama pursue with ACORN that made him 'radical'? Sources and details please.
And here's where the common sense comes in: have you ever known any moderate or centrist who, instead of pursuing a (potentially) highly lucrative career, instead decided to get down in the trenches and fight for a political organization such as ACORN? The fact of the matter is simply that moderates don't get involved in this kind of political activism. And that is something I can say from experience having worked with political activist organizations on the left (Clean Water Action) and the right (Campaign for Liberty and Republican Liberty Caucus).
Political activism is a good thing. It just depends on what the activism is. I'm a moderate and I am a political activist.
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If Paul Ryan is called a radical for having his interns read some fiction novels by an author disliked by the left, then I think it's fair to call Obama a radical for having worked for an organization which has worked together with the far-left political parties such as New York's Working Families Party (http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_2_acorns_nutty_regime.html).
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It doesn't say he had a contract with them. And where does it say he was a "member"? And, again, even if he was a "member" what is the implication here and how does it make him "radical"?
1. I never called him a member.
2. Having attended/spoke at a conference hosted by socialists does make one a radical.
I'm gonna need a source for every claim here as well as a detailed explanation of what makes it "radical leftist".
Thanks.
I'm not going to waste my time documenting events which anyone with even a passing interest in American politics should be aware of. If you're seriously trying to feign ignorance of NDAA, increase in drone strikes, the unconstitutional intervention in Libya, breaking the rule of law when taking over GM, his lies regarding Citizens United and his heated anti-Supreme Court rhetoric before the Obamacare ruling, etc. then I don't think you belong on a forum discussing political issues.
Not necessarily. I've been to all sorts of conferences organized by groups I didn't agree with. Try again.
Were you also one of the headlining speakers for the Democratic Socialists of America?
That is a logical fallacy. ALL people who work for ACORN are political activists? And what political activism did Obama pursue with ACORN that made him 'radical'? Sources and details please.
Again, complete ignorance of the facts. Really, go run along to another forum if you are truly ignorant of Obama's involvement as a lawyer for ACORN and what ACORN does.
Political activism is a good thing. It just depends on what the activism is. I'm a moderate and I am a political activist.
Really? What are your political beliefs? Which organizations do you work for? What kind of campaigns or actions have you been a part of?
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1. I never called him a member.
2. Having attended/spoke at a conference hosted by socialists does make one a radical.
1. Where is the source that he spoke at their conferences?
2. How "socialist" are they? Does he hold these same socialist views as they do? Proof?
I'm not going to waste my time documenting events which anyone with even a passing interest in American politics should be aware of. If you're seriously trying to feign ignorance of NDAA, increase in drone strikes, the unconstitutional intervention in Libya, breaking the rule of law when taking over GM, his lies regarding Citizens United and his heated anti-Supreme Court rhetoric before the Obamacare ruling, etc. then I don't think you belong on a forum discussing political issues.
Look, If you aren't going to source your claims then STOP MAKING CLAIMS. Simple as that. I don't deny all of the facts that you posted but I deny your "illegal" spin on them . Don't make claims without proof. Makes you look retarded when people call you out.
Were you also one of the headlining speakers for the Democratic Socialists of America?
See above.
Again, complete ignorance of the facts. Really, go run along to another forum if you are truly ignorant of Obama's involvement as a lawyer for ACORN and what ACORN does.
See above. Stop making unsubstantiated claims that you can't back up upon request.
Really? What are your political beliefs? Which organizations do you work for? What kind of campaigns or actions have you been a part of?
I hold many political beliefs. I've been involved in many organizations though I don't "work" for them (get paid). I've been to all sorts of conventions from conservative tea party to move on to 99% rallies to pro-obama to "anarchist" to socialist for the learning experiences. Going to conventions, or even talking at conventions, doesn't mean you support everything that convention supports. Nor does even being a member of that association, for that matter.
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Proof is in the other thread I posted.
1. Where is the source that he spoke at their conferences?
2. How "socialist" are they? Does he hold these same socialist views as they do? Proof?
Look, If you aren't going to source your claims then STOP MAKING CLAIMS. Simple as that. I don't deny all of the facts that you posted but I deny your "illegal" spin on them . Don't make claims without proof. Makes you look retarded when people call you out.
See above.
See above. Stop making unsubstantiated claims that you can't back up upon request.
I hold many political beliefs. I've been involved in many organizations though I don't "work" for them (get paid). I've been to all sorts of conventions from conservative tea party to move on to 99% rallies to pro-obama to "anarchist" to socialist for the learning experiences. Going to conventions, or even talking at conventions, doesn't mean you support everything that convention supports. Nor does even being a member of that association, for that matter.
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Bill Clinton was left-of-center. He reduced spending as a percent of GDP and even cut taxes near the end of his term.
Obama is a radical. Obama has links to the Democratic Socialists of America (http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng45.html). Furthermore, he was an activist with ACORN - and let me assure you that moderates and centrists don't get involved with community organizing and political activism.
dude..everyone in America has a link to something crazy..if one of us ran for president..our opponent would cite our link to GetBig..a racist, homosexual website :)