This is truly PATHETIC

[Soul Crusher]

1. As far as I know all they did was endorse him. Unless you've got a reliable source (non-blog, non-conservative website but reputable reliable news-source other than Fox)

2.  Even assuming he was a 'member', what does this matter and how does it make him "radical leftist"? Be specific.


Thanks.

False you liar and communist thug.   He signed a contract w them.   Typical illiterate Obama drone.

[DKlent]

False you liar and communist thug.   He signed a contract w them.   Typical illiterate Obama drone.

1. As far as I know all they did was endorse him. Unless you've got a reliable source (non-blog, non-conservative website but reputable reliable news-source other than Fox)

2.  Even assuming he was a 'member', what does this matter and how does it make him "radical leftist"? Be specific.

3. What contract? Got sources?

Thanks.

[blacken700]

1. As far as I know all they did was endorse him. Unless you've got a reliable source (non-blog, non-conservative website but reputable reliable news-source other than Fox)

2.  Even assuming he was a 'member', what does this matter and how does it make him "radical leftist"? Be specific.


Thanks.

don't bother with 333386 he lives in his little own dream world  

[Soul Crusher]

1. As far as I know all they did was endorse him. Unless you've got a reliable source (non-blog, non-conservative website but reputable reliable news-source other than Fox)

2.  Even assuming he was a 'member', what does this matter and how does it make him "radical leftist"? Be specific.

3. What contract? Got sources?

Thanks.

Already posted - look it up   

[howardroark]

If you are going to make outlandish claims you'll have to provide legitimate sources. Reliable sources. Not "Chicagodsa.org" or articles written people but documented reports by reputable news organizations.

Chicago DSA is the website for the Chicago Democratic Socialists of America. That is a pretty reliable source when questioning who attended their events.

1. Obama is "radical"? How?

> Unprecedented expansion in executive power: assassination of American citizens, indefinite detention, and continuation of PATRIOT Act, etc.
> Completely unconstitutional foreign war in Libya. He didn't even seek Congressional approval before launching this war. So despite running as the peace candidate, he turned out even worse than Bush.
> Ignoring the rule of law with the takeover of the Auto industry.
> Support for massive Big Government to Big Business transfers (bailouts).
> Extreme rhetoric and outright lies against the Supreme Court regarding Citizens United and then in preparation for Obamacare case.
> Consistently attacking free market capitalism and the wealthy; stoking class warfare.
> Pushing debt-to-GDP beyond 100%, earning a credit-rating downgrade.
> Installing a government take over of the health care system.
> Creating new taxes and raising existing tax rates during a recession/weak recovery ($600bn tax hikes in Obamacare).
> Fighting for doubling the capital gains tax on top earners in the midst of a recession/weak recovery.

2. Obama has "links" to the DSA? So what?

Having attended conferences held by a socialist organization doesn't make one a "radical?" Then I think it's you who doesn't understand the term, not me.

3. Obama was an 'activist with acorn"?
I need:
1. Evidence that he was an "Activist" with ACORN
2. What "activist" means in this sense. What did he do that make shim radical with ACORN? Specifically.

ACORN is a political organization. Thus, people who work for ACORN are political activists. Obama worked for ACORN. Thus, Obama was a political activist. This is a well-documented fact.

And here's where the common sense comes in: have you ever known any moderate or centrist who, instead of pursuing a (potentially) highly lucrative career, instead decided to get down in the trenches and fight for a political organization such as ACORN? The fact of the matter is simply that moderates don't get involved in this kind of political activism. And that is something I can say from experience having worked with political activist organizations on the left (Clean Water Action) and the right (Campaign for Liberty and Republican Liberty Caucus).

[Shockwave]

Completely unconstitutional foreign war in Libya. He didn't even seek Congressional approval before launching this war. So despite running as the peace candidate, he turned out even worse than Bush.

Dont forget, actually told congress he would seek UN approval and then go and TELL congress what his decision was, completely bypassing them and making the UN the only group he answers too.

[DKlent]

Chicago DSA is the website for the Chicago Democratic Socialists of America. That is a pretty reliable source when questioning who attended their events.

It doesn't say he had a contract with them. And where does it say he was a "member"? And, again, even if he was a "member" what is the implication here and how does it make him "radical"?

> Unprecedented expansion in executive power: assassination of American citizens, indefinite detention, and continuation of PATRIOT Act, etc.
> Completely unconstitutional foreign war in Libya. He didn't even seek Congressional approval before launching this war. So despite running as the peace candidate, he turned out even worse than Bush.
> Ignoring the rule of law with the takeover of the Auto industry.
> Support for massive Big Government to Big Business transfers (bailouts).
> Extreme rhetoric and outright lies against the Supreme Court regarding Citizens United and then in preparation for Obamacare case.
> Consistently attacking free market capitalism and the wealthy; stoking class warfare.
> Pushing debt-to-GDP beyond 100%, earning a credit-rating downgrade.
> Installing a government take over of the health care system.
> Creating new taxes and raising existing tax rates during a recession/weak recovery ($600bn tax hikes in Obamacare).
> Fighting for doubling the capital gains tax on top earners in the midst of a recession/weak recovery.

I'm gonna need a source for every claim here as well as a detailed explanation of what makes it "radical leftist".

Thanks.

Having attended conferences held by a socialist organization doesn't make one a "radical?" Then I think it's you who doesn't understand the term, not me.

Not necessarily. I've been to all sorts of conferences organized by groups I didn't agree with. Try again.

ACORN is a political organization. Thus, people who work for ACORN are political activists. Obama worked for ACORN. Thus, Obama was a political activist. This is a well-documented fact.

That is a logical fallacy. ALL people who work for ACORN are political activists? And what political activism did Obama pursue with ACORN that made him 'radical'? Sources and details please.

And here's where the common sense comes in: have you ever known any moderate or centrist who, instead of pursuing a (potentially) highly lucrative career, instead decided to get down in the trenches and fight for a political organization such as ACORN? The fact of the matter is simply that moderates don't get involved in this kind of political activism. And that is something I can say from experience having worked with political activist organizations on the left (Clean Water Action) and the right (Campaign for Liberty and Republican Liberty Caucus).

Political activism is a good thing. It just depends on what the activism is. I'm a moderate and I am a political activist.

[howardroark]

If Paul Ryan is called a radical for having his interns read some fiction novels by an author disliked by the left, then I think it's fair to call Obama a radical for having worked for an organization which has worked together with the far-left political parties such as New York's Working Families Party.

[howardroark]

It doesn't say he had a contract with them. And where does it say he was a "member"? And, again, even if he was a "member" what is the implication here and how does it make him "radical"?

1. I never called him a member.
2. Having attended/spoke at a conference hosted by socialists does make one a radical.

I'm gonna need a source for every claim here as well as a detailed explanation of what makes it "radical leftist".

Thanks.

I'm not going to waste my time documenting events which anyone with even a passing interest in American politics should be aware of. If you're seriously trying to feign ignorance of NDAA, increase in drone strikes, the unconstitutional intervention in Libya, breaking the rule of law when taking over GM, his lies regarding Citizens United and his heated anti-Supreme Court rhetoric before the Obamacare ruling, etc. then I don't think you belong on a forum discussing political issues.

Not necessarily. I've been to all sorts of conferences organized by groups I didn't agree with. Try again.

Were you also one of the headlining speakers for the Democratic Socialists of America?

That is a logical fallacy. ALL people who work for ACORN are political activists? And what political activism did Obama pursue with ACORN that made him 'radical'? Sources and details please.

Again, complete ignorance of the facts. Really, go run along to another forum if you are truly ignorant of Obama's involvement as a lawyer for ACORN and what ACORN does.

Political activism is a good thing. It just depends on what the activism is. I'm a moderate and I am a political activist.

Really? What are your political beliefs? Which organizations do you work for? What kind of campaigns or actions have you been a part of?

[DKlent]

1. I never called him a member.
2. Having attended/spoke at a conference hosted by socialists does make one a radical.

1. Where is the source that he spoke at their conferences?

2. How "socialist" are they? Does he hold these same socialist views as they do? Proof?

I'm not going to waste my time documenting events which anyone with even a passing interest in American politics should be aware of. If you're seriously trying to feign ignorance of NDAA, increase in drone strikes, the unconstitutional intervention in Libya, breaking the rule of law when taking over GM, his lies regarding Citizens United and his heated anti-Supreme Court rhetoric before the Obamacare ruling, etc. then I don't think you belong on a forum discussing political issues.

Look, If you aren't going to source your claims then STOP MAKING CLAIMS. Simple as that. I don't deny all of the facts that you posted but I deny your "illegal" spin on them . Don't make claims without proof. Makes you look retarded when people call you out.

Were you also one of the headlining speakers for the Democratic Socialists of America?

See above.

Again, complete ignorance of the facts. Really, go run along to another forum if you are truly ignorant of Obama's involvement as a lawyer for ACORN and what ACORN does.

See above. Stop making unsubstantiated claims that you can't back up upon request.

Really? What are your political beliefs? Which organizations do you work for? What kind of campaigns or actions have you been a part of?

I hold many political beliefs. I've been involved in many organizations though I don't "work" for them (get paid).  I've been to all sorts of conventions from conservative tea party to move on to 99% rallies to pro-obama to "anarchist" to socialist for the learning experiences. Going to conventions, or even talking at conventions, doesn't mean you support everything that convention supports. Nor does even being a member of that association, for that matter.

[Soul Crusher]

Proof is in the other thread I posted.

1. Where is the source that he spoke at their conferences?

2. How "socialist" are they? Does he hold these same socialist views as they do? Proof?


Look, If you aren't going to source your claims then STOP MAKING CLAIMS. Simple as that. I don't deny all of the facts that you posted but I deny your "illegal" spin on them . Don't make claims without proof. Makes you look retarded when people call you out.


See above.

See above. Stop making unsubstantiated claims that you can't back up upon request.


I hold many political beliefs. I've been involved in many organizations though I don't "work" for them (get paid).  I've been to all sorts of conventions from conservative tea party to move on to 99% rallies to pro-obama to "anarchist" to socialist for the learning experiences. Going to conventions, or even talking at conventions, doesn't mean you support everything that convention supports. Nor does even being a member of that association, for that matter.

[andreisdaman]

Bill Clinton was left-of-center. He reduced spending as a percent of GDP and even cut taxes near the end of his term.

Obama is a radical. Obama has links to the Democratic Socialists of America. Furthermore, he was an activist with ACORN - and let me assure you that moderates and centrists don't get involved with community organizing and political activism.

dude..everyone in America has a link to something crazy..if one of us ran for president..our opponent would cite our link to GetBig..a racist, homosexual website