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There goes that argument.
Witnesses tell FBI that George Zimmerman is no racist
By Ashley Hayes, CNN
updated 7:44 AM EDT, Fri July 13, 2012
(CNN) -- George Zimmerman, charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, had a "little hero complex" but was not a racist, a Sanford, Florida, homicide investigator told federal agents, according to reports released Thursday.
In an interview with FBI agents in March, investigator Chris Serino told authorities he "believed that Zimmerman's actions were not based on Martin's skin color, rather based on his attire, the total circumstances of the encounter and the previous burglary suspects in the community," according to an FBI report.
The reports and other information in the case against Zimmerman were released Thursday by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey to Zimmerman's attorney.
The U.S. Department of Justice took up a civil rights investigation after allegations that race played a part in the killing of Martin, 17, in February in a gated community in Sanford, Florida. The reports released Thursday do not draw conclusions in that investigation.
Read the FBI reports (PDF)
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/12/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html
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There goes that argument.
Witnesses tell FBI that George Zimmerman is no racist
By Ashley Hayes, CNN
updated 7:44 AM EDT, Fri July 13, 2012
(CNN) -- George Zimmerman, charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, had a "little hero complex" but was not a racist, a Sanford, Florida, homicide investigator told federal agents, according to reports released Thursday.
In an interview with FBI agents in March, investigator Chris Serino told authorities he "believed that Zimmerman's actions were not based on Martin's skin color, rather based on his attire, the total circumstances of the encounter and the previous burglary suspects in the community," according to an FBI report.
The reports and other information in the case against Zimmerman were released Thursday by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey to Zimmerman's attorney.
The U.S. Department of Justice took up a civil rights investigation after allegations that race played a part in the killing of Martin, 17, in February in a gated community in Sanford, Florida. The reports released Thursday do not draw conclusions in that investigation.
Read the FBI reports (PDF)
. . . .
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/12/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html
really
one person said it and the "argument" is now gone?
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Yeah that's kind of weak, but on the other hand what evidence is there that Zimmerman is a racist
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Yeah that's kind of weak, but on the other hand what evidence is there that Zimmerman is a racist
None. The only evidence so far shows he isn't a racist. The investigator interviewed a number of people and apparently they all said the same thing, including the ex-girlfriend who accused him of abuse.
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Since Zimmerman's maternal grandfather is blac, wouldn't this be an alleged brown-on-black crime?
So, there's really nothing to see, here.
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Yeah that's kind of weak, but on the other hand what evidence is there that Zimmerman is a racist
there is a guy he worked with who filed a complaint with their employer after being harassed by Zimmerman for his race
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he profiled trayvon - in his own words, he said these little assholes and punks that broke into my house.
I dont think it had to with race, i think it had to do with him being a young thug punk kid, and that could be any color. I think ZImmerman would have acted the exat same with a white kid in a hoodie, if he believed a teenage white kid with a hoodie was the one who robbed his ass.
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he profiled trayvon - in his own words, he said these little assholes and punks that broke into my house.
I dont think it had to with race, i think it had to do with him being a young thug punk kid, and that could be any color. I think ZImmerman would have acted the exat same with a white kid in a hoodie, if he believed a teenage white kid with a hoodie was the one who robbed his ass.
What race are you?
I want to know what kind of racist I am when I report a limp-wristed skinny-fat man taking naked pictures with his glock and muttering "I'm a libertarian" while spreading the gospel of Obama to anyone that will listen for blatant misrepresentation of political affiliation and it ends up being our own Rob@300website.obamaslurp.gag a.k.a 240 or bassist.
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What race are you?
I want to know what kind of racist I am when I report a limp-wristed skinny-fat man taking naked pictures with his glock and muttering "I'm a libertarian" while spreading the gospel of Obama to anyone that will listen for blatant misrepresentation of political affiliation and it ends up being our own Rob@300website.obamaslurp.gag a.k.a 240 or bassist.
Lulz.
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It doesn't matter. After his money stunt, he's basically lost all credibility in the public eye....if he's still dumb enough to take this to court, he'll be convicted
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There goes that argument.
Witnesses tell FBI that George Zimmerman is no racist
Zimmerman called a black man a 'baboon' today.
There goes your argument.
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Someone told me David Duke is not a racist so I guess that settles it
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Someone told me David Duke is not a racist so I guess that settles it
Well, if Trump/Jeb doesn't work at a ticket, there's always Duke/Zimmerman 2016 for them.
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Well, if Trump/Jeb doesn't work at a ticket, there's always Duke/Zimmerman 2016 for them.
Duke recently endorsed Trump
That's probably a dream ticket for some Repubs and that leaves Zimmerman available as Secretary of Defense
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Someone told me David Duke is not a racist so I guess that settles it
There goes that argument.
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I think you guys are spending way too much time parsing as to whether Zimmerdumb is a racist or not.....a kid was walking down the street, minding his business and wound up acosted for no reasion and then wound up dead....take race out of it.....it was dead wrong what Zimmerdumb did...
I wonder how you guys would honestly feel if your kid was walking down the street minding his own business, and I stopped him, made an accusation that wasn't true, then shot him when the kid got scared and fought back....
AMAZING
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I think you guys are spending way too much time parsing as to whether Zimmerdumb is a racist or not.....a kid was walking down the street, minding his business and wound up acosted for no reasion and then wound up dead....take race out of it.....it was dead wrong what Zimmerdumb did...
I wonder how you guys would honestly feel if your kid was walking down the street minding his own business, and I stopped him, made an accusation that wasn't true, then shot him when the kid got scared and fought back....
AMAZING
I don't know that zimmerman follows a white kid under the same circumstances... particuarly in light of the FACT that zimmerman considers african-americans to be BABOONS, and not humans.
He is racist, and those who said he wasn't can no longer make that argument. All of the "almost" racist shady shit he's been saying and winking... well, he made it clear now.
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Zimmerman called a black man a 'baboon' today.
There goes your argument.
He called him an "ignorant baboon." Big friggin deal. And no, that doesn't make the man a racist. ::)
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He called him an "ignorant baboon." Big friggin deal. And no, that doesn't make the man a racist. ::)
Yeah, it does.
No one ever called a white man a monkey or a baboon.
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Yeah, it does.
No one ever called a white man a monkey or a baboon.
Nah. One comment by a person doesn't make them a racist.
And I've heard people call a white man a monkey before. I've called people trained monkeys before, the MSM in particular.
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Nah. One comment by a person doesn't make them a racist.
And I've heard people call a white man a monkey before. I've called people trained monkeys before, the MSM in particular.
I have never heard it, nor would I call anyone a monkey.
9 out of 10 times it's in reference to a black person.
Look at the things 333386 (Soul Crusher) used to post around here.
Photoshops of the Obamas next to monkeys or with them.
Never saw anyone do that to a white person.
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Nah. One comment by a person doesn't make them a racist.
I'm pretty sure it does. And when you toss in all the other hinting-at-racist shit that zimmerman's been doing, well, this one just solidifies what everyone already knew.
it's gotta suck to look in the mirror and say to yourself "it's okay that zimmerman uses those kinds of words". In your eyes, you see the tremble, the sadness. If only there were more heroes, more reagans.
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I have never heard it, nor would I call anyone a monkey.
9 out of 10 times it's in reference to a black person.
Look at the things 333386 (Soul Crusher) used to post around here.
Photoshops of the Obamas next to monkeys or with them.
Never saw anyone do that to a white person.
I agree it's often used as a racial epithet, but I'm not going to say "No one ever called a white man a monkey or a baboon." That's an overstatement.
It's also an overstatement to say that anyone who makes a racist comment is actually a racist. They probably are, but not always.
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I agree it's often used as a racial epithet, but I'm not going to say "No one ever called a white man a monkey or a baboon." That's an overstatement.
It's also an overstatement to say that anyone who makes a racist comment is actually a racist. They probably are, but not always.
Possibly an overstatement, but if you were to make a wager as to the odds of someone calling a white person a monkey or a baboon, the odds would be EXTREMELY EXTREMELY low.
You know this.
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No one is doubting that David Duke is a racist and apparently something or many things that Trump has said is resonating with Duke,
I wonder what that could be?
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If trayvon would not have doubled back on Zimmerman while he was returning to his car, per the "real" recorded 911 conversation, he would still be alive. Instead, he followed him down and initiated an assault. It is irrelevant whether Zimmerman was a racist, loser, deadbeat, etc. Al Sharpton is all those things, and I would never condone anyone assaulting him. News flash: racism isn't against the law, trayvon assaulting Zimmerman is and thus why he got shot
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By the way, a teenage kid roaming around in the rain in the middle of the night constitutes suspicious behavior where I come from. So all of you thst keep saying he was doing nothing wrong are actually talking out your ass. You don't know that, nor do i, nor did zimmerman. What I do know is that a person has every right to observe another person he deems suspicious. No information has ever shown Zimmerman to have violated trayvon' personal space.
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If trayvon would not have doubled back on Zimmerman while he was returning to his car, per the "real" recorded 911 conversation, he would still be alive. Instead, he followed him down and initiated an assault. It is irrelevant whether Zimmerman was a racist, loser, deadbeat, etc. Al Sharpton is all those things, and I would never condone anyone assaulting him. News flash: racism isn't against the law, trayvon assaulting Zimmerman is and thus why he got shot
except there is no proof that Martin "initiated" the assault and the "real" 911 call could very well be Zimmerman lying to the operator
anyway, who gives a shit anymore
Martin is still dead and Zimm is still a fat piece of shit who will no doubt keep "finding" trouble for the rest of what is hopefully a short life
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240's dumbass gives a shit. Thus why he bumped this thread. He is one of the least intelligent ppl on this forum, while also being 1 of the most vocal. Funny how that combo occurs often. Had he not bumped it, and all the other race baiters such as andreisdaman and yourself not bumped it, I wouldn't have responded either way.
And for the record, trayvon' friend suggested he doubled back. Her words, not mine. She plead with him not to and to just go home. That coupled with the phone call is what the court of law call evidence, thus why that piece of shit known as zimmerman was not charged.
While I commend your getbig stance on evidence, the court of law disagrees with you
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Possibly an overstatement, but if you were to make a wager as to the odds of someone calling a white person a monkey or a baboon, the odds would be EXTREMELY EXTREMELY low.
You know this.
We're sort of saying the same thing. I'm not going to argue percentages. I'm just looking at broader issue of labeling someone because they made a single comment. Oftentimes, the words people use are a reflection of what's in their heart. Sometimes, however, people just say stupid things. Remember Biden making a comment about 7/11 stores being owned by people from India? Or his "they're going to put y'all back in chains" comment? Dumb things to say, but neither automatically make him a racist.
Or how about Trayvon Martin (or his girlfriend) calling Zimmerman a cracker? That didn't automatically make Martin a racist.
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We're sort of saying the same thing. I'm not going to argue percentages. I'm just looking at broader issue of labeling someone because they made a single comment. Oftentimes, the words people use are a reflection of what's in their heart. Sometimes, however, people just say stupid things. Remember Biden making a comment about 7/11 stores being owned by people from India? Or his "they're going to put y'all back in chains" comment? Dumb things to say, but neither automatically make him a racist.
Or how about Trayvon Martin (or his girlfriend) calling Zimmerman a cracker? That didn't automatically make Martin a racist.
Some of what you say is valid... Obviously with Biden we just make the assumption that he's a buffoon and says dumb shit.
White people certainly don't get inflamed over cracker as much.
While certainly, people say random things off the cuff and it is not necessarily indicative of who they are as people, saying a black person looks like a baboon or a monkey should pretty much be something that you just don't say.
Does it make Zimmerman a guaranteed racist? No.
However. Take his statement today. Toss in his signing autographs in front of a confederate flag. Add him chasing down a black youngster and assuming he was going to rob someone and eventually killing them.
It starts to show a pattern doesn't it?
What was the race of the guy who shot back at Zimmerman from the car?
I'm asking that honestly because I don't know.
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Some of what you say is valid... Obviously with Biden we just make the assumption that he's a buffoon and says dumb shit.
White people certainly don't get inflamed over cracker as much.
While certainly, people say random things off the cuff and it is not necessarily indicative of who they are as people, saying a black person looks like a baboon or a monkey should pretty much be something that you just don't say.
Does it make Zimmerman a guaranteed racist? No.
However. Take his statement today. Toss in his signing autographs in front of a confederate flag. Add him chasing down a black youngster and assuming he was going to rob someone and eventually killing them.
It starts to show a pattern doesn't it?
What was the race of the guy who shot back at Zimmerman from the car?
I'm asking that honestly because I don't know.
He didn't say Obama looked like a baboon. He called him an ignorant baboon.
I agree using the confederate flag was pretty dumb. That's consistent with his poor judgment.
But if you look at his history, he worked with minority kids. I think he lived with one. And keep in mind the Justice Department asked the entire country to call a 1-800 number with evidence of his racism and got nothing. Pretty scary what the government can do to the average American.
I don't know anything about his latest incident.
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240's dumbass gives a shit. Thus why he bumped this thread. He is one of the least intelligent ppl on this forum, while also being 1 of the most vocal. Funny how that combo occurs often. Had he not bumped it, and all the other race baiters such as andreisdaman and yourself not bumped it, I wouldn't have responded either way.
And for the record, trayvon' friend suggested he doubled back. Her words, not mine. She plead with him not to and to just go home. That coupled with the phone call is what the court of law call evidence, thus why that piece of shit known as zimmerman was not charged.
While I commend your getbig stance on evidence, the court of law disagrees with you
you stupid fucking idiot...if you read my post I stated that we should stop emphasizing race and look at the incident..a kid who was minding his business wound up dead......you are so busy trying to be angry and racist toward Trayvon that you are missing the point..he has the right to walk wherever he wants at any time of day...his father lived in the neighborhood......he had no right to confront Trayvon.....then he turned pussy and shot the kid after the kid kicked his ass
think rationally you stupid fuck
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No evidence points to him "confronting" trayvon, but your literacy is in question so you just keep repeating yourself. He does have a right to roam his neighborhood as does zimmerman have the right to observe him. I find it a tragedy that trayvon died at that age, but I also find it wouldn't have happened if he didn't assault someone.
You on the other hand make up your own argument and ignore facts
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He didn't say Obama looked like a baboon. He called him an ignorant baboon.
I agree using the confederate flag was pretty dumb. That's consistent with his poor judgment.
But if you look at his history, he worked with minority kids. I think he lived with one. And keep in mind the Justice Department asked the entire country to call a 1-800 number with evidence of his racism and got nothing. Pretty scary what the government can do to the average American.
I don't know anything about his latest incident.
Understand, I have zero proof of any pattern before the Trayvon Martin incident. I knew nothing of him, but since then, he has been on the radar, and since then, he's done some things that would lead a person to believing he might not be a straight up "racist", but it is not unbelievable to think he might have some bigotry about him.
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No evidence points to him "confronting" trayvon, but your literacy is in question so you just keep repeating yourself. He does have a right to roam his neighborhood as does zimmerman have the right to observe him. I find it a tragedy that trayvon died at that age, but I also find it wouldn't have happened if he didn't assault someone.
You on the other hand make up your own argument and ignore facts
my argument is as good as yours.....why are you so willing to believe Zimmerdumb?????????..you weren't there either
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I will take the woman that was talking on the phone's word that trayvon advanced towards zimmerman, seeing as she was in support of her friend, not zimmerman. I will couple that with all other evidence, none of which that you likely looked at, judging by your argument. Your arguments differ greatly from mine. Your strongest argument generally involves calling me a gimmick after I lay out facts, so no, your argument isn't it as good as mine. It is completely absent of fact and only consist of trigger words such as "confront" or " chase" that don't actually fit the real world event per any of the evidence
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I will take the woman that was talking on the phone's word that trayvon advanced towards zimmerman, seeing as she was in support of her friend, not zimmerman. I will couple that with all other evidence, none of which that you likely looked at, judging by your argument. Your arguments differ greatly from mine. Your strongest argument generally involves calling me a gimmick after I lay out facts, so no, your argument isn't it as good as mine. It is completely absent of fact and only consist of trigger words such as "confront" or " chase" that don't actually fit the real world event per any of the evidence
your argument is absent of facts as well..I laugh at you and people like you who say my argument lacks facts when yours does as well.....and even if Trayvon confronted Zimerdumb, I see nothing wrong with confronting someone who is obviously following you...I would do the same.....that doesn't give Zimmerdumb the right to kill someone
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I will take the woman that was talking on the phone's word that trayvon advanced towards zimmerman, seeing as she was in support of her friend, not zimmerman. I will couple that with all other evidence, none of which that you likely looked at, judging by your argument. Your arguments differ greatly from mine. Your strongest argument generally involves calling me a gimmick after I lay out facts, so no, your argument isn't it as good as mine. It is completely absent of fact and only consist of trigger words such as "confront" or " chase" that don't actually fit the real world event per any of the evidence
What Rachel Jeantel said is she believed Martin hit first AFTER Zimmerman laid hands on him and tried to detain him so since you've already said you will take her word then tell me who was the aggressor and instigator?
She also said she heard Martin say "get off, get off"
so again, since you've chosen to believe her statements explain how Martin is the aggressor when Zimmerman initiated physical contact
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No evidence points to him "confronting" trayvon
He parked his truck, went in the opposite direction from his home, and was huffing and puffing on phone while saying "he's getting away".
We don't know who "confronted" who, but we do know who left their path to pursue 2 blocks in the rainy night while calling him a punk and a-hole (zimmerman) and who ran, in the direction of his destination, unarmed (trayvon).
In florida, if a dude with 50 pounds on me and a 9mm chases me 2 blocks in the night, I'm fully justified to pick up a rock, a brick, a fist, a knife or a rake and KILL HIM if I fear for my life. So yeah, we have no proof trayvon punched first, but some could argue he feared for his life.
10 years older, 50 pounds heavier, armed with a 9mm and chasing...
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Now now, Strawman, you are providing half truths as you normally do. Rachel Zentel was cross examined after stating that she heard Trayvon say those things because they weren't consistent with her original testimony. Some of her testimony changed, some of it remained the same. i certainly never said i thought her to be a saint and her entire word is as good as gold, but that is why both teams have a chance to examine her. What remains constant from her testimony is her assertion that Trayvon initiated contact. Nice try though...
And as far as 240, you are too dumb to forget that Zimmerman gained all that weight after the start of the trial. On that night, he weighed much less. And he doubled back and made the confrontation, which I don't take to demonstrate a state of fear. He certainly may have been curious as to why someone was following him, which still doesn't give him a right to hit the guy. Also, in your nature of construing your fantasy as fact, you add the detail that he knew he had a gun. Courts don't operate off of your imagination. While he may have assumed Zimmerman was armed, we will never know his state of thought on the matter and none of the evidence suggests that he did know that. After all, he tracked Zimmerman down which doesn't stick with the narrative of knowing he was armed.
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your argument is absent of facts as well..I laugh at you and people like you who say my argument lacks facts when yours does as well.....and even if Trayvon confronted Zimerdumb, I see nothing wrong with confronting someone who is obviously following you...I would do the same.....that doesn't give Zimmerdumb the right to kill someone
If Trayvon initiates an assault that is inclusive to banging Zimmerman's head on the ground, that is the exact right Zimmerman has at that point, the right to kill
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Now now, Strawman, you are providing half truths as you normally do. Rachel Zentel was cross examined after stating that she heard Trayvon say those things because they weren't consistent with her original testimony. Some of her testimony changed, some of it remained the same. i certainly never said i thought her to be a saint and her entire word is as good as gold, but that is why both teams have a chance to examine her. What remains constant from her testimony is her assertion that Trayvon initiated contact. Nice try though...
And as far as 240, you are too dumb to forget that Zimmerman gained all that weight after the start of the trial. On that night, he weighed much less. And he doubled back and made the confrontation, which I don't take to demonstrate a state of fear. He certainly may have been curious as to why someone was following him, which still doesn't give him a right to hit the guy. Also, in your nature of construing your fantasy as fact, you add the detail that he knew he had a gun. Courts don't operate off of your imagination. While he may have assumed Zimmerman was armed, we will never know his state of thought on the matter and none of the evidence suggests that he did know that. After all, he tracked Zimmerman down which doesn't stick with the narrative of knowing he was armed.
How about this, you tell me what part of her "original testimony" you are referring to and where she said he initiated contact as in physical contact
your opinions seem to indidcate you followed this closely so please provide the links to her testimony and explain why selected parts that you believe and parts that you don't believe. From what I've seen, all she said was that she heard Marting say What you following me for?
I can only assume that is what you are referring to as "contact" which is of course not physical contact
Did she say on the stand that Martin threw the first punch? Here is her testimony.
If you're referring to something that she said when she wasn't on the stand that's fine. You can link to that too but then of course that opens it up to anything else she said outside of the court as well
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And as far as 240, you are too dumb to forget that Zimmerman gained all that weight after the start of the trial. On that night, he weighed much less.
You're right.
At the time of his arrest on April 11, 2012, Zimmerman's height was reportedly 5 feet 7 inches (1.70 m) and his weight 185 lb (84 kg).
Trayon was 158 pounds.
Also Zimmerman was an armed, MMA-trained man, older, who made an aggressive action by jumping out of a vehicle and pursuing Trayvon 2 blocks in the opposite direction he was initially heading.
In Florida (and I've sat thru several permit classes) - Trayvon has a VERY good case to use deadly force once Zimmerman caught him. If any of us jumps out of truck wearing our TapOut and a 9mm, chases a girl much smaller than us 2 blocks in the rainy night, and finally catches her crouching in the bushes to avoid detection/us finding where she lives... wouldn't we EXPECT mace to face, if not worse?
Those of us with size, and our own gun, and life experience might just chat at the man who chased us. But a minor, with a stranger following? Yeah, if Trayvon had fought and killed zimmerman, he probably would have walked too.
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You're right.
At the time of his arrest on April 11, 2012, Zimmerman's height was reportedly 5 feet 7 inches (1.70 m) and his weight 185 lb (84 kg).
Trayon was 158 pounds.
Also Zimmerman was an armed, MMA-trained man, older, who made an aggressive action by jumping out of a vehicle and pursuing Trayvon 2 blocks in the opposite direction he was initially heading.
In Florida (and I've sat thru several permit classes) - Trayvon has a VERY good case to use deadly force once Zimmerman caught him. If any of us jumps out of truck wearing our TapOut and a 9mm, chases a girl much smaller than us 2 blocks in the rainy night, and finally catches her crouching in the bushes to avoid detection/us finding where she lives... wouldn't we EXPECT mace to face, if not worse?
Those of us with size, and our own gun, and life experience might just chat at the man who chased us. But a minor, with a stranger following? Yeah, if Trayvon had fought and killed zimmerman, he probably would have walked too.
There you go lying again, adding your own elements. You completely fabricated him jumping out of his vehicle and giving chase. And as far as your analogy of some fella chasing a woman, I won't even entertain that utter stupidity.
I commend strawman for at least presenting an intelligent side to his debate. Yiu just choose adjectives outta that yahtzee brain of yours at random to try and shift the narrative in your favor. I can't imagine at what point in your real life someone has indicated to you that you are intelligent and capable of engaging in actual unbiased debate.
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Let's look at the narrative here
1. wanna be cop who has called 911 numerous times
2. Says on this 911 call F punks. These a-. They always get away.
3. Has a history, before and after the shooting of getting in physical confrontations
4. Has a history before and after of flashing his gun around and threatening people
5. Told to stay in the car yet choose to follow a person he suspects is a burglar
I'd say there is ample reason to suspect, as suggested by Jeantels statements on and off the stand that Zimmerman LIKELY tried to detain Martin thus instigating the physical confrontation.
It's certainly plausible given the aforementioned facts
And, the only witness we have to the beginning of the confrontation is the shooter who has every incentive to lie to keep his ass out of jail
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Let's look at the narrative here
1. wanna be cop who has called 911 numerous times
2. Says on this 911 call F punks. These a-. They always get away.
3. Has a history, before and after the shooting of getting in physical confrontations
4. Has a history before and after of flashing his gun around and threatening people
5. Told to stay in the car yet choose to follow a person he suspects is a burglar
I'd say there is ample reason to suspect, as suggested by Jeantels statements on and off the stand that Zimmerman LIKELY tried to detain Martin thus instigating the physical confrontation.
It's certainly plausible given the aforementioned facts
And, the only witness we have to the beginning of the confrontation is the shooter who has every incentive to lie to keep his ass out of jail
I agree with 1-4 and have acknowledged the guy is a deadbeat with a history of poor decisions. You left out that he has multiple 911 calls prior to this incident. In all of those incidents that I recall, he acted as an observer. In fact, I believe in 1 of those 911 calls he said he felt uncomfortable confronting the ppl he was watching.
As far as number 5, best I know the 911 operator told him to return to the car and that was where he was headed when trayvon cut him off.
At a certain point, interpretation of evidence comes into play, seeing as no one witnessed the entirety of the sequence of events. I. He probably could have minded his own business but that isn't the nature of a neighborhood watch. Trayvon had every right to wonder why this guy was following him, and in his shoes, I might have made the same decision to find out why. Thst being said, for me, all the evidence points to trayvon making initial contact and striking zimmerman first.
I.wish I could add colorful adjectives like 240 does and Insert my own fantasy into the case, but I'll stick to being honest and interpreting the evidence
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I agree with 1-4 and have acknowledged the guy is a deadbeat with a history of poor decisions. You left out that he has multiple 911 calls prior to this incident. In all of those incidents that I recall, he acted as an observer. In fact, I believe in 1 of those 911 calls he said he felt uncomfortable confronting the ppl he was watching.
As far as number 5, best I know the 911 operator told him to return to the car and that was where he was headed when trayvon cut him off.
At a certain point, interpretation of evidence comes into play, seeing as no one witnessed the entirety of the sequence of events. I. He probably could have minded his own business but that isn't the nature of a neighborhood watch. Trayvon had every right to wonder why this guy was following him, and in his shoes, I might have made the same decision to find out why. Thst being said, for me, all the evidence points to trayvon making initial contact and striking zimmerman first.
I.wish I could add colorful adjectives like 240 does and Insert my own fantasy into the case, but I'll stick to being honest and interpreting the evidence
first of all you weren';t there and you are making stuff up to fit your case....if Zimmerdumb confronted trayvon as indications are that he did he most certainly impeded trayvon's progress...if an armed stranger WHO IS AN ADULT stopped you on a dark night WHAT WOULD YOU DO????.....if it were me I definitely would initiate contact before he got the drop on me.....
Zimmerdumb confronted a kid who he thought was an easy mark.....(we don't usually as human beings confront people we KNOW can kick our ass).....the kid was strong and overpowered Zimmerdumb....again the kid should have been left alone and should not have been stopped..he can walk wherever he wants when he wants....I'm quite sure Zimmerdumb did not identify himself as patrt of the "neighborhood watch"
if it were me in trayvon's shoes I would have whipped Zimmerdumb's ass and asked questions later....its idiotic to say you would not get phyisical with a guy who is following you and then conffronts you out of no where for no reason
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I agree with 1-4 and have acknowledged the guy is a deadbeat with a history of poor decisions. You left out that he has multiple 911 calls prior to this incident. In all of those incidents that I recall, he acted as an observer. In fact, I believe in 1 of those 911 calls he said he felt uncomfortable confronting the ppl he was watching.
As far as number 5, best I know the 911 operator told him to return to the car and that was where he was headed when trayvon cut him off.
At a certain point, interpretation of evidence comes into play, seeing as no one witnessed the entirety of the sequence of events. I. He probably could have minded his own business but that isn't the nature of a neighborhood watch. Trayvon had every right to wonder why this guy was following him, and in his shoes, I might have made the same decision to find out why. Thst being said, for me, all the evidence points to trayvon making initial contact and striking zimmerman first.
I.wish I could add colorful adjectives like 240 does and Insert my own fantasy into the case, but I'll stick to being honest and interpreting the evidence
I didn't say evidence of poor decision making. I said evidence of getting into physical confrontations. I discount Zimmermans claims because he has every incentive to lie to save his own ass. The only thing close to a witness is the woman on the phone and her story is consistent with the pre-existing conditions of a wanna be cop, frustrated that "they always get away" trying to stop a kid that he thinks is a thief
Like I previously said, none of this matters.
Martin is still dead and Zimmerman is still a fat loser who continued to get in trouble and will almost certainly be in the news again for more confrontations
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first of all you weren';t there and you are making stuff up to fit your case....if Zimmerdumb confronted trayvon as indications are that he did he most certainly impeded trayvon's progress...if an armed stranger WHO IS AN ADULT stopped you on a dark night WHAT WOULD YOU DO????.....if it were me I definitely would initiate contact before he got the drop on me.....
Zimmerdumb confronted a kid who he thought was an easy mark.....(we don't usually as human beings confront people we KNOW can kick our ass).....the kid was strong and overpowered Zimmerdumb....again the kid should have been left alone and should not have been stopped..he can walk wherever he wants when he wants....I'm quite sure Zimmerdumb did not identify himself as patrt of the "neighborhood watch"
if it were me in trayvon's shoes I would have whipped Zimmerdumb's ass and asked questions later....its idiotic to say you would not get phyisical with a guy who is following you and then conffronts you out of no where for no reason
even just following someone, especially at night and for no apparent reason is an act of intimidation and aggression
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No evidence points to him "confronting" trayvon, but your literacy is in question so you just keep repeating yourself. He does have a right to roam his neighborhood as does zimmerman have the right to observe him. I find it a tragedy that trayvon died at that age, but I also find it wouldn't have happened if he didn't assault someone.
You on the other hand make up your own argument and ignore facts
Completely agree.
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Completely agree.
The Kiss of Death for any new poster
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even just following someone, especially at night and for no apparent reason is an act of intimidation and aggression
Agreed X2
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zimmerman was neighborhood watch there - if anyone was 'doubling back and playing ninja' in the darknessm I kinda think it was the highly aggressive, armed neighborhood watch dude. And not the stupid pothead kid heading to his GF's hosue for a handjob.
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zimmerman was neighborhood watch there - if anyone was 'doubling back and playing ninja' in the darknessm I kinda think it was the highly aggressive, armed neighborhood watch dude. And not the stupid pothead kid heading to his GF's hosue for a handjob.
Then, it's a good thing the jury didn't have access to an idiot's (yours) imagination. They relied on facts and came up with a decision based on those. Funny how that works
Also, you guys keep ignoring his previous 911 call history. While his 911 calls may have been excessive, none of em resulted in a violent end , with exception to this one, in which he was assaulted. I'm also curious about his violent past. Let's not talk about what has happened since the trayvon incident. Let's talk about violence prior to that, and violence directed at someone other than his spouse while we are at it. Those would have been the facts the jury operated off of.
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Then, it's a good thing the jury didn't have access to an idiot's (yours) imagination. They relied on facts and came up with a decision based on those. Funny how that works
Also, you guys keep ignoring his previous 911 call history. While his 911 calls may have been excessive, none of em resulted in a violent end , with exception to this one, in which he was assaulted. I'm also curious about his violent past. Let's not talk about what has happened since the trayvon incident. Let's talk about violence prior to that, and violence directed at someone other than his spouse while we are at it. Those would have been the facts the jury operated off of.
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I'm also curious about his violent past. Let's not talk about what has happened since the trayvon incident. Let's talk about violence prior to that, and violence directed at someone other than his spouse while we are at it. Those would have been the facts the jury operated off of.
he assaulted a cop. he assaulted a woman.
then he shot trayvon.
since then, he's threatened a man in traffic, caught 2 assault cases (old man, preggo woman). He knows the system well enough to keep getting away with it - shut up, lawyer up, counter accuse, and drag it until the other party drops it.
NOBODY gets into that much shit without being a violent motherfccker, drama-laden, that starts shit.
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he assaulted a cop. he assaulted a woman.
then he shot trayvon.
since then, he's threatened a man in traffic, caught 2 assault cases (old man, preggo woman). He knows the system well enough to keep getting away with it - shut up, lawyer up, counter accuse, and drag it until the other party drops it.
NOBODY gets into that much shit without being a violent motherfccker, drama-laden, that starts shit.
Good post......unfortunately people see what they want to see....they apologize for Zimmerdumb's violent history but love to bring up that Trayvon once posed flashing a gang sign
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he assaulted a cop. he assaulted a woman.
then he shot trayvon.
since then, he's threatened a man in traffic, caught 2 assault cases (old man, preggo woman). He knows the system well enough to keep getting away with it - shut up, lawyer up, counter accuse, and drag it until the other party drops it.
NOBODY gets into that much shit without being a violent motherfccker, drama-laden, that starts shit.
So no comment on his prior 911 calls and assault. Got it, it doesn't fit your narrative
One could also argue that a person doesn't get shot for beating up someone for observing them without being a violent mothrrfucker, drama-laden, that starts shit.
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Good post......unfortunately people see what they want to see....they apologize for Zimmerdumb's violent history but love to bring up that Trayvon once posed flashing a gang sign
Yes, people like you that are race baiters see what you want to see. The jury was able to isolate this incident based on the facts. I've certainly not brought up trayvon past. In fact I've stated it is a tragedy he died, as I likely think he would of amounted to, at the very least, more than zimmerman is. But that isn't the point. The point is on the night in question, the evidence led a jury to believe zimmerman was the victim of an assault.
It doesn't matter how much of a piece of shit someone is for the other 99% of their life. That doesn't entitle anyone to assault them because they are being observed. Had he went to his house that was less than 10 seconds away versus double back and assault someone well outta his way, he would still be alive today.
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there is no evidence trayvon assaulted him. Aside from the word of zimmerman, who is own lawyer said lied about things.
zimmerman not credible. We don't know who started it - but we do know that trayvon was running and zimmerman admitted 'he's getting away'.
this is a huge fallacy with this case, this assumption that "we all know trayvon started it". No, we don't know that. A liar told us that. ALong with a bunch of other exaggerated details that changed each time he told the story, 3 times total.
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there is no evidence trayvon assaulted him. Aside from the word of zimmerman, who is own lawyer said lied about things.
zimmerman not credible. We don't know who started it - but we do know that trayvon was running and zimmerman admitted 'he's getting away'.
this is a huge fallacy with this case, this assumption that "we all know trayvon started it". No, we don't know that. A liar told us that. ALong with a bunch of other exaggerated details that changed each time he told the story, 3 times total.
So after his numerous 911 calls that he never chased or assaulted anyone, we are to believe this is the one he went full vigilante mode and decided to chase (and catch) a teenager and attempt to beat him up. No thank you. I'll stick with the summation of the evidence, that is not limited to Zimmerman's word alone
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Yes, people like you that are race baiters see what you want to see. The jury was able to isolate this incident based on the facts. I've certainly not brought up trayvon past. In fact I've stated it is a tragedy he died, as I likely think he would of amounted to, at the very least, more than zimmerman is. But that isn't the point. The point is on the night in question, the evidence led a jury to believe zimmerman was the victim of an assault.
It doesn't matter how much of a piece of shit someone is for the other 99% of their life. That doesn't entitle anyone to assault them because they are being observed. Had he went to his house that was less than 10 seconds away versus double back and assault someone well outta his way, he would still be alive today.
where have I brought up race, you idiot???....I have maintained that a teenager walking by himself, having committed no apparent crime was accosted, detained and then killed by AN ADULT......you so much want this to turn into a racial argument so you can cum on yourself.....
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where have I brought up race, you idiot???....I have maintained that a teenager walking by himself, having committed no apparent crime was accosted, detained and then killed by AN ADULT......you so much want this to turn into a racial argument so you can cum on yourself.....
Of course there is no proof that he was accosted or detained. There is proof that he assaulted zimmerman In a fashion consistent with what zimmerman and the relatively few witnesses state. There is however not a shred of evidence that trayvon was assaulted outside of the gun shot, which forensics seems to agree happened as zimmerman stated.
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So after his numerous 911 calls that he never chased or assaulted anyone, we are to believe this is the one he went full vigilante mode and decided to chase (and catch) a teenager and attempt to beat him up. No thank you. I'll stick with the summation of the evidence, that is not limited to Zimmerman's word alone
I thought he followed the fck out of people all the time, as neighborhood watch commander.
this one, the police didn't get there fast enough to stop him from catching who he believed to be an a-hole, punk bike thief that always gets away with it.
the jury wanted to hit him with something, but the prosecutor got greedy. Put in an 8-year manslaughter option, and zimmerman is locked up now. Politics
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I thought he followed the fck out of people all the time, as neighborhood watch commander.
this one, the police didn't get there fast enough to stop him from catching who he believed to be an a-hole, punk bike thief that always gets away with it.
the jury wanted to hit him with something, but the prosecutor got greedy. Put in an 8-year manslaughter option, and zimmerman is locked up now. Politics
Wrong again, as usual, but I doubt you actually analyzed his 911 call history since facts aren't really your thing. Judging by how you keep quoting the phone call as some great source of evidence, I'm hesitant to believe you ever heard the real unedited phone call. Zimmerman was quite calm for that, you should really go back and listen.