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Laszlo Csatary (97 yrs old) found in Budapest..
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An interesting thing to notice is that all of those Nazi-criminals that avoided capture really managed to live to such an old age. Before they were spotted of course! :D
Quite the survival instincts!
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An interesting thing to notice is that all of those Nazi-criminals that avoided capture really managed to live to such an old age. Before they were spotted of course! :D
Quite the survival instincts!
Really, it wasn't that hard to find them in Argentina and the South of Brasil (one of the main reasons why the white population of the country is so fucked up but lula's 8 years have brought some balance to the force). No one was looking. They like to find one of them here and there for a nice photo op. ::)
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Do old men forget they have necks upon which hair grows? I expected a more disciplined approach to grooming from a man of the reich. The fuhrer would be furious.
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Another sad case od "only the good die young"
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The dude was in Canada, and then asked to leave for lying on his citizenship papers. How hard could he have been to find. They knew where he was. That said, shoot that mofo.
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The guy must have Alzheimer's by now. May be he even thinks he likes jews.
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Every time the find one its always headlined as "the most wanted".
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The guy must have Alzheimer's by now. May be he even thinks he likes jews.
lol
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97 holy shit, but would be very good if disapears behind bars for the little time he has left.
"Fiends still
being hunted
THESE are seven Nazis still at liberty and on the Simon Wiesenthal Centre’s list of Most Wanted.
GERHARD SOMMER, 93, served in the Panzergrenadiers. VLADIMIR KATRIUK, 90, served in a Nazi police battalion. KAROLY ZENTAI, 90, helped hunt Jews in Budapest. SOEREN KAM, 90, served with a Panzer division. IVAN KALYMON, 91, served in the Nazi auxiliary police in the Ukraine. ALGIMANTAS DAILIDE, in the Lithuanian security police. HELMUT OBERLANDER, 88, served with a Nazi killing squad."
these ages wtf.
i hope other people are with him before the police comes, he should be poked in the ass with an hot iron bar
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An interesting thing to notice is that all of those Nazi-criminals that avoided capture really managed to live to such an old age. Before they were spotted of course! :D
Quite the survival instincts!
This one will celebrate his 99th birthday this month....lives in Rome.
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Futile waste of energy.
Better save the dough and give it to survivors still alive today.
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In the German army you followed orders or face the firing squad, hell they would execute your family too. You really had no choice, I don't care what they said in the Nuremburg trials.
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thats what they will tell the judge yes
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He's going to jail for a long, long time.
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Looks like a retired old jew from Florida
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How do they even know these people are still alive? Shit, with all the mass graves in Berlin, some of these fools are probably worm food, and have been since the final days of the Reich. Think Martin Boorman.
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the worms are still eating from herman goring
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This Dutch nazi asshole killer is in prison since last year, finally. He's 91...Heinrich Boere.
(http://www.pzc.nl/multimedia/archive/00871/SS_er_Boere_voor_Du_871166a.jpg)
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In the German army you followed orders or face the firing squad, hell they would execute your family too. You really had no choice, I don't care what they said in the Nuremburg trials.
pretty much what I was thinking...
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One thing these Nazi criminals (that avoided capture) are good at, is to stay alive for a long time.
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I would enjoy torturing him, slow and steady, long enough for him to feel every burn, every hunger, every anxiety, every cry, every begging, every last cry for ones child in this world, so HE would know what it felt like when he left for the next. this is my utopian profession by the way.
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I would enjoy torturing him, slow and steady, long enough for him to feel every burn, every hunger, every anxiety, every cry, every begging, every last cry for ones child in this world, so HE would know what it felt like when he left for the next. this is my utopian profession by the way.
Hitman?
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This Dutch nazi asshole killer is in prison since last year, finally. He's 91...Heinrich Boere.
(http://www.pzc.nl/multimedia/archive/00871/SS_er_Boere_voor_Du_871166a.jpg)
Is it safe?
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HELMUT OBERLANDER, 88, served with a Nazi killing squad.
Cool name.
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Is it safe?
;D ;D ;D
one of the all-time great films, william devuane was such a cool cat in that film 8)
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why didn't these jews hunt the nazi's during ww2? because they are cowards.
they only feel safe to hunt them now that they are hated by the world and have virtually no support
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In the German army you followed orders or face the firing squad, hell they would execute your family too. You really had no choice, I don't care what they said in the Nuremburg trials.
Complete nonsense the bulk of those persecuted were making the decision and giving the orders. Tons of nazi's were given full pardon.
The nazi's weren't kicked out of germany most went back to work as regular germans. Meaning it wasn't uncommon to have a nazi school teacher in the 50's. The germans went through hell after the war. They're woman were raped in the millions, they went 2-3 years with there country in rubble, and to top it off were stuck living with a generation of shell shocked nazi's.
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Complete nonsense the bulk of those persecuted were making the decision and giving the orders. Tons of nazi's were given full pardon.
The nazi's weren't kicked out of germany most went back to work as regular germans. Meaning it wasn't uncommon to have a nazi school teacher in the 50's. The germans went through hell after the war. They're woman were raped in the millions, they went 2-3 years with there country in rubble, and to top it off were stuck living with a generation of trama shell shocked nazi's.
mik maq is right, personally I would face a firing squad before marching women and children into a gas chamber.
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Perhaps one day Jews will also be hunted down for the genocide of White Europeans that they are perpetuating through their actions and policies??
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Perhaps one day Jews will also be hunted down for the genocide of White Europeans that they are perpetuating through their actions and policies??
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The only movie more ANTI-WHITE than this movie was Machete. Another Anti-White movie is Hobo with a Shotgun, although at least in that movie one black savage pimp is shot down. All the other scumbags are portrayed as white.
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Complete nonsense the bulk of those persecuted were making the decision and giving the orders. Tons of nazi's were given full pardon.
The nazi's weren't kicked out of germany most went back to work as regular germans. Meaning it wasn't uncommon to have a nazi school teacher in the 50's. The germans went through hell after the war. They're woman were raped in the millions, they went 2-3 years with there country in rubble, and to top it off were stuck living with a generation of shell shocked nazi's.
Nope, those running the concentration camps took their orders from higher up. They were originally built as containment camps but when Hitler realized that no country would take the Jews he and his innner circle came up the "Final Solution" Do you think the low level officers or even the camp commander would have the ability to allocate the funds needed to build the gas chambers?
Yes, some nazis were pardoned, not everyone was involved with the death camps or war crimes. If you really want to get into it, let's talk about how the Vatican helped over 1200 Nazi officers who definitely would have been prosecuted escape. The U.S. also took lots of german scientist and officers in, they were able to look the other way when it was to their advantage. War is a nasty business, there are still things classified about WW2 that the public will never know.
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Complete nonsense the bulk of those persecuted were making the decision and giving the orders. Tons of nazi's were given full pardon.
The nazi's weren't kicked out of germany most went back to work as regular germans. Meaning it wasn't uncommon to have a nazi school teacher in the 50's. The germans went through hell after the war. They're woman were raped in the millions, they went 2-3 years with there country in rubble, and to top it off were stuck living with a generation of shell shocked nazi's.
Nice touch.
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An interesting thing to notice is that all of those Nazi-criminals that avoided capture really managed to live to such an old age. Before they were spotted of course! :D
Quite the survival instincts!
Or superior Aryan genetics?
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Or superior Caucasian genetics?
True!
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This Dutch nazi asshole killer is in prison since last year, finally. He's 91...Heinrich Boere.
(http://www.pzc.nl/multimedia/archive/00871/SS_er_Boere_voor_Du_871166a.jpg)
He should not be in prison. He should have been protected under the Numremberg Defense but they threw it out the window and convicted him in a "kangeroo court. He had already confessed to killing 3 people and spend two years in an Allied POW camp.
At this point and time, they are hunting down Nazi soldiers which may sound proper however if they were nothing more than low rank soldiers like this guy was, its ridiculous to treat some lowly soldier as though he was Goebbels or Hemler.
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History is written by the winners. No one said shit to Stalin about his purges. The 35,000 officers he "liquidated" after coming to full power. Or, the millions of his own people he killed by starving them to death. One of the early showings of a chink in the American armor was not going after the Russians after the defeat of Germany. You guys ever heard of "operation unthinkable"? That was an idea churchill had to refit 10 German divisions and push the Red Army back into Siberia.
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why didn't these jews hunt the nazi's during ww2? because they are cowards.
they only feel safe to hunt them now that they are hated by the world and have virtually no support
that would cost money, and you know how jews feel about spending money
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mik maq is right, personally I would face a firing squad before marching women and children into a gas chamber.
That is very easy to sit and type when you know that you don't have to make the choice. We are programmed for survival.
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HELMUT OBERLANDER, 88, served with a Nazi killing squad.
Cool name.
Sure sounds like a nazi..
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If you want to read some truly terrifying stuff that was committed in wars,read the following links, makes the germans look like teletubbies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
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Those Japs knew their thing...... :(
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History is written by the winners. No one said shit to Stalin about his purges. The 35,000 officers he "liquidated" after coming to full power. Or, the millions of his own people he killed by starving them to death. One of the early showings of a chink in the American armor was not going after the Russians after the defeat of Germany. You guys ever heard of "operation unthinkable"? That was an idea churchill had to refit 10 German divisions and push the Red Army back into Siberia.
Yup, the British monarchy, government and the nobility were all supporting Hitler, hoping he would destroy Stalin and open up Russia to capitalism. Nobody at that time gave a shit about the Jews including America. Hitler's biggest mistake was attacking England,( and of course marching into Russia during the winter). Europe and the world would be very different today if he did not bomb Britain.
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History is written by the winners. No one said shit to Stalin about his purges.
Because it wasn't that known until later. Ditto Mao.
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In the German army you followed orders or face the firing squad, hell they would execute your family too. You really had no choice, I don't care what they said in the Nuremburg trials.
True, many brave couch moralists waxing from remote security.
Though the german army and the SS were no friends - the SS was its own company eager to be way more cruel to promote an idea and please the great ideal.
More people should do a little bit of reading on how nice and brave america/uk/france was.
Many things could have been avoided if those good doers had laid the smack down earlier.
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True, many brave couch moralists waxing from remote security.
Though the german army and the SS were no friends - the SS was its own company eager to be way more cruel to promote an idea and please the great ideal.
More people should do a little bit of reading on how nice and brave america/uk/france was.
Many things could have been avoided if those good doers had laid the smack down earlier.
the american war machine at that time was lead by... Patton, Truman, Eishehower
can you guess the ethnic orgin of them surnames ;D 8)
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the american war machine at that time was lead by... Patton, Truman, Eishehower
can you guess the ethnic orgin of them surnames ;D 8)
Absolutely - crypto jews all of them.
Now excuse me while I return to the "synagogue of Satan"(must have been named by an arab) deciding what american building to destroy next :D
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the american war machine at that time was lead by... Patton, Truman, Eishehower bush, cheney ,rumsfeld
can you guess the ethnic orgin of them surnames ;D 8)
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The guy must have Alzheimer's by now. May be he even thinks he likes jews.
Haha!
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Absolutely - crypto jews all of them.
Now excuse me while I return to the "synagogue of Satan"(must have been named by an arab) deciding what american building to destroy next :D
;D ;D ;D
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Complete nonsense the bulk of those persecuted were making the decision and giving the orders. Tons of nazi's were given full pardon.
The nazi's weren't kicked out of germany most went back to work as regular germans. Meaning it wasn't uncommon to have a nazi school teacher in the 50's. The germans went through hell after the war. They're woman were raped in the millions, they went 2-3 years with there country in rubble, and to top it off were stuck living with a generation of shell shocked nazi's.
Yep...Hollywood wont make a movie about that, make us another persecuted jew flick.
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poor germans,, they must ve benn trough hell and back when they burned those kids ,,,
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In the German army you followed orders or face the firing squad, hell they would execute your family too. You really had no choice, I don't care what they said in the Nuremburg trials.
What's your point exactly?....to let them be, ah no,.. the Nazi's fell they must fall with them, they must accept their consequences as a soldier accepts death. It is part of their responsibility as a loyal soldier, not run away like cowards.
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precisely.
after the war, suddenly noone was openly a nazi anymore in germany ::)
guess who else had the rule if you dont go ahead youll be shot on site, the russians.
Ya it was some cold times but being prosecuted for war crimes is peanuts in comparison to what people went through during the war.
I just checked my PM, damn you are under 6% bodyfat for sure, congrats bro, anyone that claims it's not hard work can go to hell. I have to sleep cause it's 3 in morning here but I will pm you in the morning bro.
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In the German army you followed orders or face the firing squad, hell they would execute your family too. You really had no choice, I don't care what they said in the Nuremburg trials.
Wrong wrong wrong, read up on the subject 99% of the time the few who actually did the shooting ( the rest were otherwise engaged as in holding the victims etc. ) had to volunteer to shoot that first, there were plenty of examples were members of the einsatztruppen especially at the early stage before it was perfected refused or couldn't shoot any more nothing happened to them but the were transfers some are still alive today.
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The whole mass shooting process took a long time to perfect many times at the beginning especially in Riga things went very wild. Later things were organised that people had very little time to think you were driven into the forest behind an earth walk was the mass grave you were ordered to take of your cloth when it was your turn two helper mostly local people would take you each by the arm bring you over the earth wall you had to climb down the shooter would tell you were you had to lie you got shot and the next came - that whole process as sick as it sounds had to be learned by trial and error
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Stark knows best
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someone give this guy a medal
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someone is nostalgic here,, hello stork,
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but stark is right, when you didnt wanted to shoot you didnt had too, thats what i red as well.
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Wrong wrong wrong, read up on the subject 99% of the time the few who actually did the shooting ( the rest were otherwise engaged as in holding the victims etc. ) had to volunteer to shoot that first, there were plenty of examples were members of the einsatztruppen especially at the early stage before it was perfected refused or couldn't shoot any more nothing happened to them but the were transfers some are still alive today.
you know this guy i fucking hate, because first of all he is a Nazi coward. so STARK i thought your "legal people were going to get me??? all fucking mouth. This guy is like a lot of neo nazi scum in Germany..they shout a lot in groups but are just dicks. Fucking go away son and give us peace here. you aint "STARK" you are a little weed making a lot of noise and fuck all to back it up.
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he's right, i read it to,, but he would shoot,, he woulve done a good joob, i just want him to enlighten us regardin how he would dispose the bodies,
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most Germans hate scum like "STARK". I have lived in Germany since 1985 so i know how it is here. Do not think all Germans are like this asshole..my wife is German and my 2 sons grew up here. This loser is one of the 5% of NPD scum.
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stark is a good guy, i doubt he has nazi sympathies
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I think you guys should visit the snuggery...
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aaahh that girl is everywhere!
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(http://kep.index.hu/1/0/313/3139/31390/3139046_d32f67321a61c953c4780533f0bd2b72_wm.jpg)
Laszlo Csatary (97 yrs old) found in Budapest..
"Goodmorning gramps, did you perhaps murder a few thousand Jews ?"
(http://www.humanite.fr/sites/default/files/imagecache/une_article_vertical/2012-07-16nazi-the-sun.jpg)
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Beta males who stick needle everyday in their butt hating on old burned out nazi. ;D
;D ::) ;D ;D
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fuck stalin shouldve turned the whole of germany into an agrarculture nation as he suggested jokingly at one point.
thatd even not be eye for an eye policy yet, that wouldve been generous.
That was what the Americans suggested as well, but then a few hippy bleeding hearts decided the fair thing to do was to have the first war tribunal and prosecute them. At first they were just going to bomb the industrial sector after the war was over so that they could only be a peasant/agrarian society. I'm glad they didn't though ,a lot of good has come from Germany since the war.
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Because it wasn't that known until later. Ditto Mao.
That's why I said history is written by the winners. Had Germany won the war, the allies would not have invaded Germany/Poland and would not have known about that stuff. Much like we didn't know the extent of what Stalin did because we weren't in that country.
Side note, why does my iPhone capatalize Stalin automatically, but not hitler? ???
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That's why I said history is written by the winners. Had Germany won the war, the allies would not have invaded Germany/Poland and would not have known about that stuff. Much like we didn't know the extent of what Stalin did because we weren't in that country.
Side note, why does my iPhone capatalize Stalin automatically, but not hitler? ???
History is written by the victors my friend, in this case, hitler lost, so no capitalization for him.
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History is written by the victors my friend, in this case, hitler lost, so no capitalization for him.
true true
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true true
only good nazi is a dead one
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only good nazi is a dead one
(http://freedomshammer.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/dead-snow-soldier.jpg)
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Zombie Nazi's, the most horrifying of all Zombies.
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Zombie Nazi's, the most horrifying of all Zombies.
Stork zombie, the most horrifying braindead off all nazi
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(http://freedomshammer.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/dead-snow-soldier.jpg)
That's from the nazi zombie movie that DP recommended me last year !!
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That's from the nazi zombie movie that DP recommended me last year !!
What movie?
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Haha that old man probably doesn't even remember what he is being aggravated for, much less about his time serving as a nazi. Locking him in prison is not any worse than sending him to a nursing home anyways?
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Haha that old man probably doesn't even remember what he is being aggravated for, much less about his time serving as a nazi. Locking him in prison is not any worse than sending him to a nursing home anyways?
Exactly - fools will never want to realize that the fart got away with his deeds and lived a comfty life somewhere else.
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Yup, the British monarchy, government and the nobility were all supporting Hitler, hoping he would destroy Stalin and open up Russia to capitalism. Nobody at that time gave a shit about the Jews including America. Hitler's biggest mistake was attacking England,( and of course marching into Russia during the winter). Europe and the world would be very different today if he did not bomb Britain.
Haha... OK ;D
Despite the twisters, history stays !!
(http://www.ruskystamps.com/img/Red_army_soldiers_raising_the_soviet_flag_on_the_roof_of_the_reichstag_berlin_germany.jpg)
No one gave a shit about "UK". And still doesn't.
Just watch who shared Germany, the Europe and pretty much rest of the world after the war. Only true winners of those tragic events.
I don't see UK there :D
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Exactly - fools will never want to realize that the fart got away with his deeds and lived a comfty life somewhere else.
does not matter mate because that old scum bag sent women and children to their deaths. Easy for a few kids here to play it down but what would you do if your Family was going to be gassed? my opinion is lock the piece of shit up >:(
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Haha... OK ;D
Despite the twisters, history stays !!
(http://www.ruskystamps.com/img/Red_army_soldiers_raising_the_soviet_flag_on_the_roof_of_the_reichstag_berlin_germany.jpg)
No one gave a shit about "UK". And still doesn't.
Just watch who shared Germany, the Europe and pretty much rest of the world after the war. Only true winners of those tragic events.
I don't see UK there :D
Perhaps I didn't explain it clearly enough. If Hitler did not attack England they would not have entered the war and neither would the US, at least not in Europe. What do you think Chamberlains meeting with Hitler was about. They had an agreement to stay out of each others way. If Hitler did not break his promise, who knows?
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Haha... OK ;D
Despite the twisters, history stays !!
(http://www.ruskystamps.com/img/Red_army_soldiers_raising_the_soviet_flag_on_the_roof_of_the_reichstag_berlin_germany.jpg)
No one gave a shit about "UK". And still doesn't.
Just watch who shared Germany, the Europe and pretty much rest of the world after the war. Only true winners of those tragic events.
I don't see UK there :D
mate i can tell you the UK had a lot of troops in Germany in the cold war. Heavy artillery and armour. The US too. So it stands to reason the Germans were no longer a threat. You see you got to walk the walk my friend.
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does not matter mate because that old scum bag sent women and children to their deaths. Easy for a few kids here to play it down but what would you do if your Family was going to be gassed? my opinion is lock the piece of shit up >:(
People who've been affected have the right to call for vengeance and get him punished. The rest should shut up and mind their business.
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Perhaps I didn't explain it clearly enough. If Hitler did not attack England they would not have entered the war and neither would the US, at least not in Europe. What do you think Chamberlains meeting with Hitler was about. They had an agreement to stay out of each others way. If Hitler did not break his promise, who knows?
I think USA would have still entered sooner or later.
wwII was what made USA big. Too big an opportunity to dismiss.
But of course this is all speculation and no one knows what would have happened. There you're right.
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mate i can tell you the UK had a lot of troops in Germany in the cold war. Heavy artillery and armour. The US too. So it stands to reason the Germans were no longer a threat. You see you got to walk the walk my friend.
Sorry then.. I knew you had some troops here and there following Americans but obviously I'm missing sum' info.
You never hear lot about UK from those days. I have read plenty of USA and USSR in cold war but other countries seem to be neglected.
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What movie?
Dead Snow or Black Snow or something. Think it was Norwegian.. 8)
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Sorry then.. I knew you had some troops here and there following Americans but obviously I'm missing sum' info.
You never hear lot about UK from those days. I have read plenty of USA and USSR in cold war but other countries seem to be neglected.
mass pls tell us more about how great the communism is,,
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He did nazi this coming...
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(http://www.danwei.org/images/nazigoreng_detail.jpg)
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mass pls tell us more about how great the communism is,,
Dunno if it was great or rest of the world (USA excluded) just losers :)
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Sorry then.. I knew you had some troops here and there following Americans but obviously I'm missing sum' info.
You never hear lot about UK from those days. I have read plenty of USA and USSR in cold war but other countries seem to be neglected.
so your Military history is ??
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i mean after you do your school chores and take your dog for a walk.
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so your Military history is ??
2 (1 mandatory and 1 as employed) years in the toughest army in the world ( ;D ) as discussed previously.
In artillery.
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2 (1 mandatory and 1 as employed) years in the toughest army in the world ( ;D ) as discussed previously.
In artillery.
Thought about this one: I think the Israeli army is the toughest in the world..
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Thought about this one: I think the Israeli army is the toughest in the world..
They're pussies against the Russains. Remember their opponents only have rocks.
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Dunno if it was great or rest of the world (USA excluded) just losers :)
You sure have some fine looking women in porn. Puts American girls to shame.
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you school kids are funny ..
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Perhaps I didn't explain it clearly enough. If Hitler did not attack England they would not have entered the war and neither would the US, at least not in Europe. What do you think Chamberlains meeting with Hitler was about. They had an agreement to stay out of each others way. If Hitler did not break his promise, who knows?
England declared war on Germany when Poland was invaded, wiseguy...
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i declare war on your moms asshole
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Guys...join the army and we will write again.
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Puts American girls to shame.
But Americans have black girls. They are often very hot in porn :P
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Guys...join the army and we will write again.
I prefer The Army of Love...
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Guys...join the army and we will write again.
I dont really see how being in the military somehow makes you more qualified to speak on history......
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I dont really see how being in the military somehow makes you more qualified to speak on history......
well i disagree because you have to do it to talk about it.
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well i disagree because you have to do it to talk about it.
Uh, most people I know that did it don't talk about it.
And service doesnt really equate to knowing history at all. A lot of the Marines I served with had a very basic knowledge of history.
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Guys...join the army and we will write again.
I question authority. Would not make a good soldier.
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Uh, most people I know that did it don't talk about it.
And service doesnt really equate to knowing history at all. A lot of the Marines I served with had a very basic knowledge of history.
well the british army is traditional and so history of each regiment/core is important. This is why we still turn out outstanding soldiers
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well the british army is traditional and so history of each regiment/core is important. This is why we still turn out outstanding soldiers
We do that as well - but that only qualifies us to speak on our own branch's military history, it doesnt somehow mean we know more shit than others that have studied the subjects in depth.
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you see some of the colours of our amy served in campaigns like Waterloo and more. The Colours of each regiment mean something to the men.
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you see some of the colours of our amy served in campaigns like Waterloo and more. The Colours of each regiment mean something to the men.
Yes, same thing here, but that doesnt have shit to do with knowing history outside of your branch/unit, does it?
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well if you are an ex soldier then you should really have an interest in Military History. Goes hand in hand really..
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if we are REALLY talking about NAZIS in Germany tell me what YOU know?
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England declared war on Germany when Poland was invaded, wiseguy...
Yes, I think it was called the Fake War or something like that. They bombed Poland with leaflets. They did put troops on the ground in France but most were Canadians. Battle of Britain was when things got serious.
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Yes, I think it was called the Fake War or something like that. They bombed Poland with leaflets. They did put troops on the ground in France but most were Canadians. Battle of Britain was when things got serious.
Correct.
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if we are REALLY talking about NAZIS in Germany tell me what YOU know?
This is a horribly vague question. What do you want to know? Im no scholar of WWII history by any stretch.
And I am a former US Marine, and I did study US military history quite extensively, and still maintain an interest in the subject, but that doesnt make me any more qualified to speak on the subject than anyone else thats done their research.
Itd be a different story if you were talking about the Marine Corp in particular, then I'd say I'd probably be more qualified to speak than your average Joe.
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Guys...join the army and we will write again.
Haha, OK ::)
I'm sure you're lieutenant colonel special forces navy whale and all that shit. I never claimed to be, just said I've been in army when you asked.
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^ special forces navy whale. LOL spit my coffee out.
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This is a horribly vague question. What do you want to know? Im no scholar of WWII history by any stretch.
And I am a former US Marine, and I did study US military history quite extensively, and still maintain an interest in the subject, but that doesnt make me any more qualified to speak on the subject than anyone else thats done their research.
Itd be a different story if you were talking about the Marine Corp in particular, then I'd say I'd probably be more qualified to speak than your average Joe.
well if you do not know about WW2 then why are you sticking up for them?
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well if you do not know about WW2 then why are you sticking up for them?
Uh, what? I do know something about WWII. I said "Im no scholar", meaning Im not pretending to know everything about that war. Do you not understand the difference?
Im not sticking up for them, Im saying just because we served doesnt make us more knowledgeable than someone who has studied it intensively.
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Uh, what? I do know something about WWII. I said "Im no scholar", meaning Im not pretending to know everything about that war. Do you not understand the difference?
Im not sticking up for them, Im saying just because we served doesnt make us more knowledgeable than someone who has studied it intensively.
well for me anyone who is/was a Nazi is scum. You can be be so Educated as you will...but the Theory is the same.
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well for me anyone who is/was a Nazi is scum. You can be be so Educated as you will...but the Theory is the same.
Thats your opinion and thats fine - never did I argue that. You just said "Join the Army and then we'll talk", like somehow joining the Army will give them some great revelation and suddenly they'll think like you.
I like to fuck around like everyone else on here - but there is no way that every single Nazi was a piece of shit scumbag. Thats akin to saying everyone serving in the British Army is a saint, you know thats not true.
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Thats your opinion and thats fine - never did I argue that. You just said "Join the Army and then we'll talk", like somehow joining the Army will give them some great revelation and suddenly they'll think like you.
I like to fuck around like everyone else on here - but there is no way that every single Nazi was a piece of shit scumbag. Thats akin to saying everyone serving in the British Army is a saint, you know thats not true.
NAZIS are a piece of shit and if YOU think they are OK then you are a DISGRACE to your core and country
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NAZIS are a piece of shit and if YOU think they are OK then you are a DISGRACE to your core and country
Where did I say Nazism was ok?
You really aren't capable of critical thought, are you?
I said, not every Nazi was a piece of shit, Im sure there were German Soldiers who didnt believe in Nazism.
BTW, its "Corp", not "core", genius.
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I think you are really not proud of your country. You are a Disgrace!
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I think you are really not proud of your country. You are a Disgrace!
Lolwut?
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http://listverse.com/2011/01/31/top-10-things-the-nazis-got-right/ (http://listverse.com/2011/01/31/top-10-things-the-nazis-got-right/)
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you know this guy i fucking hate, because first of all he is a Nazi coward. so STARK i thought your "legal people were going to get me??? all fucking mouth. This guy is like a lot of neo nazi scum in Germany..they shout a lot in groups but are just dicks. Fucking go away son and give us peace here. you aint "STARK" you are a little weed making a lot of noise and fuck all to back it up.
Okay I address you once because you are so fucking far from the truth Its not even funny anymore - first of all if you don't understand the essence of Getbig and why we all are here forget it, that should give you a little hit about my past and present political idiology.
Now, Germany is my country, I am interested in history so naturally I had to make a choice in life at some stage were my effort in regards to reading as to go.
And I made a choice long time ago that I find the whole third reich aera of my country extremly interesting.
Now, I have no idea were the major animosity towards me comes from but what I was contradicting some stupid argument that you hear over and over again from people like yourself that really are discovery channel educated (nazis ans sharks) and really haven't read one single good book about the subject.
The Argument goes that anybody who says that these people had to follow orders and if not doing so would be automaticly shot and therefor imply that they were forced bound by their oath and semi not guilty.
People who love that argument.... HAVE... NO.... FUCKING... CLUE!
That argument is closely followed with - DID you know that Stalin killed more people than Hitler ::) yeah, its dumb uneducated lower class people just like yourself that think they can "shock" and "shine" with discovery channel arguments without having any single idea what they really are talking about - for the record more people did under stalins regime but they weren't systematicly gassed and or executed because of their "biological" makeup and religion, but because Stalin fought a class war - there's a huge fucking massive difference but I am pretty sure you wouldn't understand it.
There is not one recorded courtmarial of a German soldier that refused to take part in mass shooting in the east - but there are plenty of evidence were soldiers not exactly refused but either found ways not to turn up for another "event" or simply asked to be transferred - which is what happened to them.
What some of you guys don't understand was that the actual group that did the most mass shootings in Riga and other parts of the east before the existence of the Vernichtungslager was in the grand of things very small.
I believe the shooting at Babi_Yari in the Ukrain was done with a handfull of SS and mostly local people but I am not an expert about the Babi_Yar incidents I intend to read a book about it soon.
Which is exactly what I suggest you do, go to the library get yourself some good books about the subject - if you want to I am more than happy to suggest some titles, let me know via pm.
And stop calling me a Nazi, I couldn't be further away from being a Nazi but for your bogtrotting brits everybody is a Nazi - you should rather reflect on the idyllic past Great Britain has enjoyed during the height of their colonial power there's another few interesting books for you.
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"STARK" meet me in Hannover
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"STARK" meet me in Hannover
I don't even know why I reply your just another gimmick.
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I don't even know why I reply your just another gimmick.
no i am not and you know in my pm i am not. you are a fucking Nazi gobshite.
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Haha that old man probably doesn't even remember what he is being aggravated for, much less about his time serving as a nazi. Locking him in prison is not any worse than sending him to a nursing home anyways?
it has nothing to do with the old fart.. the punishment has the role of discouraging others (when they see that even an old fart is sent to prison they ll think twice before massacring some innocents-- look at mladici)
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no i am not and you know in my pm i am not. you are a fucking Nazi gobshite.
okay - let me know when you make it to Dublin ::)
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lucky he didnt find him
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it has nothing to do with the old fart.. the punishment has the role of discouraging others (when they see that even an old fart is sent to prison they ll think twice before massacring some innocents-- look at mladici)
lol great argument, because putting people into prison or executing them have done so much to lower the murder rate in the USA right?
Come on.
The punishment in regards to the old puke who had a hand in killing all these people has nothing todo with shock and awe, its pure revenge - its to finally finish and close a very dark chapter of the past and to find a way for the few left over people the survivers to move on to find closure - its a sign that murder never statute-barred.
But it will do fuck all to other people who have to make a decission if mass killing a few thousand people will haunt them at a later stage, they feel justified they do it.
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okay - let me know when you make it to Dublin ::)
Like i said you are a wanker...a piece of shit with no balls
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A piece of shit ...not even got the balls to face me
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hey stark do you have the third reich trilogy from Richard J. Evans on audiobook?
its very good and goes more into the detail about the war and is not so superficial like with other sources.
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i declare war on your moms asshole
Epic last words of the Fuehrer ;D
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hey stark do you have the third reich trilogy from Richard J. Evans on audiobook?
its very good and goes more into the detail about the war and is not so superficial like with other sources.
No I don't but I am sure I will look into it - there is so much interesting information that you have to be very selective and make sure you dedicated your time to the right amount of books - otherwise you end up as poorly educated about the subject as our bog trotting british fenian guy Donny ;)
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No I don't but I am sure I will look into it - there is so much interesting information that you have to be very selective and make sure you dedicated your time to the right amount of books - otherwise you end up as poorly educated about the subject as our bog trotting british fenian guy Donny ;)
well you are not a man. you are a wanker who tries to write American English. A Nazi scumbag. face me like a man and not a boy in "GETBIG" come and do it .
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well you are not a man. you are a wanker who tries to write American English. A Nazi scumbag. face me like a man and not a boy in "GETBIG" come and do it .
;D - I'm just quoting you for future amusement :D
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;D - I'm just quoting you for future amusement :D
you are a tool NPD scum and a coward
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Black Watch>nazis
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Yes, I think it was called the Fake War or something like that. They bombed Poland with leaflets. They did put troops on the ground in France but most were Canadians. Battle of Britain was when things got serious.
Fake War was before the invasion in Poland, which wasn't fake believe me. Battle of Britain was indeed where the krauts and brits clashed big time..
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Fake War was before the invasion in Poland, which wasn't fake believe me. Battle of Britain was indeed where the krauts and brits clashed big time..
I thought the Fake War occured around the same time as the invasion of Poland?
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Yet they really haven't touched a lot of the German scientists who helped start NASA...hmmm
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No I don't but I am sure I will look into it - there is so much interesting information that you have to be very selective and make sure you dedicated your time to the right amount of books - otherwise you end up as poorly educated about the subject as our bog trotting british fenian guy Donny ;)
My father was a teen in WW2, in our family we had both SSers and resistence people. My dad has an extremely large library of WW2 books, mostly about Holland in the war and biographies of the big guys. I started reading these books when I was 10 or so....perspectives really are changing over the years. It's without a doubt one of the most interesting periods of Western history...
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The Soup Nazi will be in Southern California today if you wanna grab some Nazi Food , i dont think many jews will attend
Jew Welcome
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I thought the Fake War occured around the same time as the invasion of Poland?
It did. France declared war to Germany when Germans invaded Poland. But nothing happened and once the Germans were done in Poland, they focused on France which didn t oppose much resistance. For a year, they were supposed to be at war but not a single shot was fired I think.
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Ok. And then in may 1940 the rock n roll started.... :(
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Ended in june for the French. 10th of may-22nd of june was enough, knowing the germans went through Belgium and Luxembourg in the same time bracket.
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The Soup Nazi will be in Southern California today if you wanna grab some Nazi Food , i dont think many jews will attend
Jew Welcome
The Seinfeld Food Truck's first stop on our eight city tour is Newport Beach, CA! Come out to 2901 Newport Beach Blvd. from 12-2pm for some free iconic Seinfeld food, treats, giveaways...and meet The Soup Nazi, Larry Thomas!
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Ended in june for the French. 10th of may-22nd of june was enough, knowing the germans went through Belgium and Luxembourg in the same time bracket.
Holland lasted for only a few days.....we ran out of bullets. :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
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Yes, I think it was called the Fake War or something like that. They bombed Poland with leaflets. They did put troops on the ground in France but most were Canadians. Battle of Britain was when things got serious.
Sitzkreig, it was a joke, until Hitler over ran France in 6 weeks. Had Hitler not let Goerrings hubris blunder Dunkirk, alot of fools on that continent would be speaking German.
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Sitzkreig, it was a joke, until Hitler over ran France in 6 weeks. Had Hitler not let Goerrings hubris blunder Dunkirk, alot of fools on that continent would be speaking German.
Latest theory is that Dunkirque was actually a gesture of good will from Hitler to England...
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National Geographic has the series Nazi Hunters, at least here on Dutch pay TV. Very interesting.
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Latest theory is that Dunkirque was actually a gesture of good will from Hitler to England...
Huh, never heard that. If so, it was a fatal mistake on his part. There are any number of things he could have done different to win the war. Had he not invaded and spent the extra 4 weeks crushing Yugoslavia (becasue the puppet gov't he set up was overrun), he most likely would not have been stopped by the Russian winter. Had he crushed the BEF and the French at Dunkirk with his panzers, instead of trying to do it with the Luftwaffe, he could have won. Had he not slept in on D-Day, or just had Rommels army at Normandy instead of Pas de Calais, he may have won. It's crazy when you think that his armies almost took over that whole continent. He had expeditionary forces right at the city limits, and his armies could see the spires of the Kremlin. It's wierd to think they couldn't muster enough resources to push that extra few miles.
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Fake War was before the invasion in Poland, which wasn't fake believe me. Battle of Britain was indeed where the krauts and brits clashed big time..
Okay, I looked it up, it was called the Phony war, my bad. From what I read there was no much going on. Maybe Wes could chime in, I think he was there.
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Donny must be a troll.
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My father was a teen in WW2, in our family we had both SSers and resistence people. My dad has an extremely large library of WW2 books, mostly about Holland in the war and biographies of the big guys. I started reading these books when I was 10 or so....perspectives really are changing over the years. It's without a doubt one of the most interesting periods of Western history...
how so?
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Perhaps he likes this song?
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It's a pity the United States has ended up a psychotic maniac that has caused much more death, destruction and genocide than Hitler ever could have dreamed - unfortunately for innocent people there is no greater power to overthrow them at this point. America is a hypocrite, they preach freedom and democracy while killing millions around the world - America is no different today than NAZI Germany of the 1930's. They have complete control of the media (propaganda), they have efficient ways of mass killing, and they are arrogant believers in there own crazy idealism. Nothing has changed in 100 years except who holds the power. Americas leaders will one day be held in the same vain as Hitler when the power shifts to another country!
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It's a pity the United States has ended up a psychotic maniac that has caused much more death, destruction and genocide than Hitler ever could have dreamed - unfortunately for innocent people there is no greater power to overthrow them at this point. America is a hypocrite, they preach freedom and democracy while killing millions around the world - America is no different today than NAZI Germany of the 1930's. They have complete control of the media (propaganda), they have efficient ways of mass killing, and they are arrogant believers in there own crazy idealism. Nothing has changed in 100 years except who holds the power. Americas leaders will one day be held in the same vain as Hitler when the power shifts to another country!
Germany in the early 1930s was a great place to live in, Hitler was a hero. You do not have a fucking clue what you are talking about.
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It's a pity the United States has ended up a psychotic maniac that has caused much more death, destruction and genocide than Hitler ever could have dreamed - unfortunately for innocent people there is no greater power to overthrow them at this point. America is a hypocrite, they preach freedom and democracy while killing millions around the world - America is no different today than NAZI Germany of the 1930's. They have complete control of the media (propaganda), they have efficient ways of mass killing, and they are arrogant believers in there own crazy idealism. Nothing has changed in 100 years except who holds the power. Americas leaders will one day be held in the same vain as Hitler when the power shifts to another country!
Epic lulz, youre so far out in left field its ridiculous, comparing a man who rounded up an entire religious/ethnic group and gassed them, to the US.
Solid points for attempted trolling however.
Delusional thoughts from fantasy island, to say the least.
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Huh, never heard that. If so, it was a fatal mistake on his part. There are any number of things he could have done different to win the war. Had he not invaded and spent the extra 4 weeks crushing Yugoslavia (becasue the puppet gov't he set up was overrun), he most likely would not have been stopped by the Russian winter. Had he crushed the BEF and the French at Dunkirk with his panzers, instead of trying to do it with the Luftwaffe, he could have won. Had he not slept in on D-Day, or just had Rommels army at Normandy instead of Pas de Calais, he may have won. It's crazy when you think that his armies almost took over that whole continent. He had expeditionary forces right at the city limits, and his armies could see the spires of the Kremlin. It's wierd to think they couldn't muster enough resources to push that extra few miles.
I keep hearing this, but reality is nothing could have changed Hitler losing, nothing mattered. The Russians got to Berlin and so did the British and the US, the allies had liberated France and had millions of fresh troops ready to roll, there was mass production of ammunition and war tools and lots of gasoline as well, while the Germans ran out of bullets, gas and many other supplies, Hitler was doomed from the get go, he didn't have enough men or resources to take on such a task regardless if he would have made all the right decision
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Germany in the early 1930s was a great place to live in, Hitler was a hero. You do not have a fucking clue what you are talking about.
HA HA - Jews loved Germany in the 1930's, plus Germany was suffering from heavy economic woes after World war 1, which Hitler blamed the loss of the war and the economy on the Jews, the average German was Poverty Stricken - Hitler was a hero to the anti semantic German population - and Hitler's status was raised through a tremendous propaganda campaign - the love was false, created by fear, for if you dared speak out against Hitler, you were destined to suffer or be killed. Hitler was about as much a hero as Saddam Hussein, or Kim Jong-il was. Propoganda creates that belief, not reality - Dictators force you to love them, or else.
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Epic lulz, youre so far out in left field its ridiculous, comparing a man who rounded up an entire religious/ethnic group and gassed them, to the US.
Solid points for attempted trolling however.
Delusional thoughts from fantasy island, to say the least.
I'm not trolling, it's the truth - the average idiot has no idea due to the propoganda system in place, the recent killing of 1 million Iraqi citizens with more to come is no different - Hitler did the same thing - created a false enemy via propoganda and then went about killing the illusory enemy for their own agenda. Anyway, America is the New Nazi Germany - very similar indeed. I have a hand injury so cant expand, but Americans are ignoramus who are deluded and have no idea what's going on. Believe it or not - Hitler would have been impressed with Obama and Bush - very efficient warmongers and dictators under the guise of a democracy!
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I'm not trolling, it's the truth - the average idiot has no idea due to the propoganda system in place, the recent killing of 1 million Iraqi citizens with more to come is no different - Hitler did the same thing - created a false enemy via propoganda and then went about killing the illusory enemy for their own agenda. Anyway, America is the New Nazi Germany - very similar indeed. I have a hand injury so cant expand, but Americans are ignoramus who are deluded and have no idea what's going on. Believe it or not - Hitler would have been impressed with Obama and Bush - very efficient warmongers and dictators under the guise of a democracy!
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Not one time have you been able to back up your "1 million iraqi citizens" claim, Mr. BS.
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Latest theory is that Dunkirque was actually a gesture of good will from Hitler to England...
Hitler didn't do good will gestures
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Not one time have you been able to back up your "1 million iraqi citizens" claim, Mr. BS.
On Friday, 14 September 2007, ORB (Opinion Research Business), an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.[1] At over 1.2 million deaths.
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I'm not trolling, it's the truth - the average idiot has no idea due to the propoganda system in place, the recent killing of 1 million Iraqi citizens with more to come is no different - Hitler did the same thing - created a false enemy via propoganda and then went about killing the illusory enemy for their own agenda. Anyway, America is the New Nazi Germany - very similar indeed. I have a hand injury so cant expand, but Americans are ignoramus who are deluded and have no idea what's going on. Believe it or not - Hitler would have been impressed with Obama and Bush - very efficient warmongers and dictators under the guise of a democracy!
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will you shut the fuck up already with this nonsense, really. You're like a broken fucking record. come up with another thought...please.
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will you shut the fuck up already with this nonsense, really. You're like a broken fucking record. come up with another thought...please.
Is an opposing view irritating your brainwashed mindset! HA HA, your ignorance and the resulting anger is funny!
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On Friday, 14 September 2007, ORB (Opinion Research Business), an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.[1] At over 1.2 million deaths.
wiki, are you fucken kidding, wow your dumb.
will you shut the fuck up already with this nonsense, really. You're like a broken fucking record. come up with another thought...please.
But. but, but he has wiki backing him up, lmao.
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On Friday, 14 September 2007, ORB (Opinion Research Business), an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.[1] At over 1.2 million deaths.
Wow dingus, way to pick the futhest outlier possible that NO other polls even come close to, way to think critically.
Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 violent deaths March 2003 to June 2006
Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths March 2003 to June 2006
Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 deaths as a result of the conflict March 2003 to August 2007
Associated Press 110,600 deaths March 2003 to April 2009
Iraq Body Count project 105,052 — 114,731 civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. Over 162,000 civilian and combatant deaths[1][2] March 2003 to January 2012
WikiLeaks. Classified Iraq war logs[1][3][4][5] 109,032 deaths including 66,081 civilian deaths.[6][7] January 2004 to December 2009
Jesus Christ, even your precious Wikileaks puts the number way under that. You need help bro, its pretty clear youre not capable of rational thought.
WikiLeaks. Classified Iraq war logs[1][3][4][5] 109,032 deaths including 66,081 civilian deaths.[6][7] January 2004 to December 2009
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Is an opposing view irritating your brainwashed mindset! HA HA, your ignorance and the resulting anger is funny!
You give yourself far too much credit...you bore me, I'm tired of reading your slanted weak crap.
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wiki, are you fucken kidding, wow your dumb.
But. but, but he has wiki backing him up, lmao.
Not wiki, ORB - Opinion Research Business - believe what you like, if you want to believe government sponsored propoganda who have a vested interest in not recording or dismissing civilian casualties, then you are a fool - personally, judging by History and the lying done about civilian deaths and who caused them - 1 million is a conservative number - plus that report is over 5 years old - must be well above that figure now - Anyway, fuck the Americans, there turn will come to be slaughtered and carved up - ride the wave of power while you can, for what goes around comes around, and you bankrupt fools will suffer they way you have made the world suffer!
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Not wiki, ORB - Opinion Research Business - believe what you like, if you want to believe government sponsored propoganda who have a vested interest in not recording or dismissing civilian casualties, then you are a fool - personally, judging by History and the lying done about civilian deaths and who caused them - 1 million is a conservative number - plus that report is over 5 years old - must be well above that figure now - Anyway, fuck the Americans, there turn will come to be slaughtered and carved up - ride the wave of power while you can, for what goes around comes around, and you bankrupt fools will suffer they way you have made the world suffer!
From your hero at Wikileaks, he doesnt seem to share your sentiment.
WikiLeaks. Classified Iraq war logs[1][3][4][5] 109,032 deaths including 66,081 civilian deaths.[6][7] January 2004 to December 2009
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You give yourself far too much credit...you bore me, I'm tired of reading your slanted weak crap.
well dont read it fucktard! Be a good brainwashed idiot, and go watch some more NBC or CBS - after hearing the truth, your brainwashing might need a top up!
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a million people dying, there is no fucken way in hell that can be hidden, no amount of propaganda can camouflage that number, 1 million is a fucken hell of a lot of people, you didn't think this through did you, where do hide the bodies, where are all the crying family members and where is the ....nevermind......, fucken dumbass, a million, are you on fucken on crack, a milllion, wow nut job over here. This is on par as the most psychotic post I have ever read, you know the one where smm said he was a LT Colonel, this 1 is just as bad. PSYCHO
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From your hero at Wikileaks, he doesnt seem to share your sentiment.
WikiLeaks. Classified Iraq war logs[1][3][4][5] 109,032 deaths including 66,081 civilian deaths.[6][7] January 2004 to December 2009
wikileaks bases the count on American data - the US Freaks tend to skim over details - like how many innocent men, women and children they have really killed. Believe whatever you like, but America kills, kills, then kills some more - like I said, Hitler would have been proud how dumbed down and uninformed the average american is! Some of the troops break free of the brainwashing and come back and talk about it - maybe you should check it out!
http://www.ivaw.org/ (http://www.ivaw.org/)
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a million people dying, there is no fucken way in hell that can be hidden, no amount of propaganda can camouflage that number, 1 million is a fucken hell of a lot of people, you didn't think this through did you, where do hide the bodies, where are all the crying family members and where is the ....nevermind......, fucken dumbass, a million, are you on fucken on crack, a milllion, wow nut job over here. This is on par as the most psychotic post I have ever read, you know the one where smm said he was a LT Colonel, this 1 is just as bad. PSYCHO
Yeah that number is way off I'm pretty sure. 1.2 million is almost 4% of the total population of Iraq, that's an enormous amount of death.
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wikileaks bases the count on American data - the US Freaks tend to skim over details - like how many innocent men, women and children they have really killed. Believe whatever you like, but America kills, kills, then kills some more - like I said, Hitler would have been proud how dumbed down and uninformed the average american is!
Dont be mad you just were made to look like an idiot for continuing with your retarded "1 million deaths claim".
Lol, almost doubling the nearest poll, and nearly 3 times the average, and yet thats your "proof", everything else is "propaganda", or "US numbers". Lol. Get your shit straight kid.
FYI, you should take your own advice, youre the one believe extreme outliers that have no corroborating evidence.
Believe whatever you want, reality doesnt care about your agenda.
like how many innocent men, women and children they have really killed.
LOL @ this, right from your precious wikileaks - 66,081 civilian deaths
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I keep hearing this, but reality is nothing could have changed Hitler losing, nothing mattered. The Russians got to Berlin and so did the British and the US, the allies had liberated France and had millions of fresh troops ready to roll, there was mass production of ammunition and war tools and lots of gasoline as well, while the Germans ran out of bullets, gas and many other supplies, Hitler was doomed from the get go, he didn't have enough men or resources to take on such a task regardless if he would have made all the right decision
Not attacking your opinion at all, I just don't agree. If, in 1940, Hitler had destroyed the allies in Dunkirk, that war would have been over. He didn't invade Russia for another year. After the western powers were done, he could've crushed Russia, they weren't ready at that time. Add to that, there was a pro German sentiment in the USA and we would've stayed isolationist. The thing was, Ribbentrop , Hitlers sec of state, was a great negotiator, just not as shrewd as Stalin. People wonder why he signed the non aggression pact, but if you look at it, it was smart. He figures, hey, if Germany breaks this thing, they're probably already gonna be fighting France and England, so what do I have to lose. He knew he was in no position to oppose Hitler at that point, but didn't expec him to invade until 1943. Fact is, I believe had he crushed the western allies, he could've then turned his sights to russia, and it would've been just in time to beat the winter. Case closed, Germany conquers Europe. Funny though, 70 years later, and they've done just that. ;D
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What I want to know is when are we going to take care of "things" with those Chinese sons of a bitches?
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a million people dying, there is no fucken way in hell that can be hidden, no amount of propaganda can camouflage that number, 1 million is a fucken hell of a lot of people, you didn't think this through did you, where do hide the bodies, where are all the crying family members and where is the ....nevermind......, fucken dumbass, a million, are you on fucken on crack, a milllion, wow nut job over here. This is on par as the most psychotic post I have ever read, you know the one where smm said he was a LT Colonel, this 1 is just as bad. PSYCHO
It's not hidden - but brainwashed people only look for information to confirm their current worldview - the truth can be found through extensive research, but not by listening to or believing any state sponsored propaganda or reports. The fact you think these numbers are psychotic is a testament to the strength of your countries propoganda. Good luck thinking America is a freedom loving, peace seeking, god loving place - America is hell on earth for the rest of the world. They are hated for interfering and killing citizens worldwide for the last 70 years.
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Dont be mad you just were made to look like an idiot for continuing with your retarded "1 million deaths claim".
Lol, almost doubling the nearest poll, and nearly 3 times the average, and yet thats your "proof", everything else is "propaganda", or "US numbers". Lol. Get your shit straight kid.
FYI, you should take your own advice, youre the one believe extreme outliers that have no corroborating evidence.
Believe whatever you want, reality doesnt care about your agenda.
LOL @ this, right from your precious wikileaks - 66,081 civilian deaths
Wikileaks is based on American data - ORB's survey is based on speaking to the Iraqi people, as opposed to America who have a vested interest in lying their arses off.
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only look for information to confirm their current worldview
This is what you just did dummy, you found 1 poll with a exorbitant amount of deaths listed that cannot be even remotely match up with any other source, and thats the number you choose to run around with, even though you have no actual way of backing it up, and when confronted with the fact that no other polls are even close, you try and discredit them by claiming theyre "propaganda".
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Wikileaks is based on American data - ORB's survey is based on speaking to the Iraqi people, as opposed to America who have a vested interest in lying their arses off.
So ORB's data is the only credible one, because you said so, even though its nearly double the next closest poll, and almost triple the average?
Yeah. Sure.
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This is what you just did dummy, you found 1 poll with a exorbitant amount of deaths listed that cannot be even remotely match up with any other source, and thats the number you choose to run around with, even though you have no actual way of backing it up, and when confronted with the fact that no other polls are even close, you try and discredit them by claiming theyre "propaganda".
Not my data, it's based on surveying the Iraqi people - who don't have the same level of bias as the Americans and their biased surveys - it's in Americas interest to downplay the deaths of civilians. anyway you fucktards can believe anything you like - I am going to enjoy the beautiful sunny day that Nature has blessed us Melburnians with - enjoy believing spiritually and economically bankrupt America is a great place! HA HA - If I upset anyone - Good, I fucking hate America!
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Not my data, it's based on surveying the Iraqi people - anyway you fucktards can believe anything you like, I am going to enjoy the beautiful sunny day that Nature has blessed us Melburnians with - enjoy believing spiritually and economically bankrupt America is a great place! HA HA
Lol, classic E-Kul, called out on your bullshit and unable to back yourself up, you feign superiority and bail.
I dont even think you realize that youre exactly the same kind of person you rail against.
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Yes the Iraqis are a very credible people.
(http://mcclane.zonalibre.org/00intro.1.jpg)
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So ORB's data is the only credible one, because you said so, even though its nearly double the next closest poll, and almost triple the average?
Yeah. Sure.
No, I just know during war, Lies are always told about casualties and so called collateral damage - so you can always assume, that the casualties are way more than your government is telling you, hence the reason for such disparity between estimates - I tend to listen to the victims and those affected rather than those doing the mass killing - either way, it's genocide, it's disgusting and indicative of the soulless country America has become.
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It's not hidden - but brainwashed people only look for information to confirm their current worldview - the truth can be found through extensive research, but not by listening to or believing any state sponsored propaganda or reports. The fact you think these numbers are psychotic is a testament to the strength of your countries propoganda. Good luck thinking America is a freedom loving, peace seeking, god loving place - America is hell on earth for the rest of the world. They are hated for interfering and killing citizens worldwide for the last 70 years.
You are the biggest idiot who actually believes that we believe in our media, of course we don't, we weren't born yesterday, we know a lot of propaganda happens in media not one person on getbig doesn't know this, what you think E-kul is the hero on getbig revealing this, hell a grade 2 knows this, but no one cares cause as long as we aren't chopping peoples heads off and putting them on sticks at our borders we are doing what is necessary in a lot of cases and sometime what is not but that's how it works, having said that you got to be the biggest idiot in the world to believe that nearly 5% of a nations population has been murdered and no one has noticed, do you have any idea how much trouble and work 1 casualty yields, go to the remotest location on the planet and kill someone, see if you don't set off hundreds making a huge fuss about it, now multiply that by a million, that is insane virtually impossible to hide fuck 20% of that number is impossible to hide, a million is fuck a load of bodies, get fucken real here bro, back to reality.
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Lol, classic E-Kul, called out on your bullshit and unable to back yourself up, you feign superiority and bail.
I dont even think you realize that youre exactly the same kind of person you rail against.
Nothing to back up - it's a credible survey that is only discredited by those doing the killing, not by the Iraq people. Anyway, enjoy your smug self satisfaction, the rest of the world hates the USA and knows why things like 9/11 happened and will continue to happen. 9/11 is nothing compared to the death and destruction America has created in the rest of the world.
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No, I just know during war, Lies are always told about casualties and so called collateral damage - so you can always assume, that the casualties are way more than your government is telling you, hence the reason for such disparity between estimates - I tend to listen to the victims and those affected rather than those doing the mass killing - either way, it's genocide, it's disgusting and indicative of the soulless country America has become.
So youre saying that all polls besides the one youre using are American in nature?
Youre seriously trying to tell me no one else in the world would try to get the real numbers, besides ORB?
You REALLY believe theyre the only ones telling the truth?
Man, you are lost. I'd give you some credibility if you went with the 600,000 poll, its within the realm of possibilities, but over 1 million?
Youre trying to hard kid.
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Youre right, these numbers come straight from America and arent credible at all.
On January 9, 2008 the World Health Organization reported the results of the "Iraq Family Health Survey" published in the New England Journal of Medicine.[1][2][3][4][5] The study surveyed 9,345 households across Iraq and was carried out in 2006 and 2007. It estimated 151,000 deaths due to violence (95% uncertainty range, 104,000 to 223,000) from March 2003 through June 2006.
The study was done by the "Iraq Family Health Survey Study Group", a collaborative effort of six organizations: the Federal Ministry of Health, Baghdad; Kurdistan Ministry of Planning, Erbil; Kurdistan Ministry of Health, Erbil; Central Organization for Statistics and Information Technology, Baghdad; World Health Organization Iraq office, Amman, Jordan; World Health Organization, Geneva.
What were you saying about ORB being the only credible one, because they spoke to Iraqi's again?
That took me 2 seconds, and its the only one I checked. Try not to be such an uninformed dumbass next time please.
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Try not to be such an uninformed dumbass next time please.
Let's keep our expectations realistic here.
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Not attacking your opinion at all, I just don't agree. If, in 1940, Hitler had destroyed the allies in Dunkirk, that war would have been over. He didn't invade Russia for another year. After the western powers were done, he could've crushed Russia, they weren't ready at that time. Add to that, there was a pro German sentiment in the USA and we would've stayed isolationist. The thing was, Ribbentrop , Hitlers sec of state, was a great negotiator, just not as shrewd as Stalin. People wonder why he signed the non aggression pact, but if you look at it, it was smart. He figures, hey, if Germany breaks this thing, they're probably already gonna be fighting France and England, so what do I have to lose. He knew he was in no position to oppose Hitler at that point, but didn't expec him to invade until 1943. Fact is, I believe had he crushed the western allies, he could've then turned his sights to russia, and it would've been just in time to beat the winter. Case closed, Germany conquers Europe. Funny though, 70 years later, and they've done just that. ;D
Every point you made is a valid point and yes would dramatically improve Hitler's situation, but consider the following; the Russians are never defeated, check out their history they simply pick up, retreat and live to fight another day, their land is so vast, no army would dare chase them, also the British and US are in no matter what, the second Hitler hit Poland in 39, The second the western allies are in the game. Now have you read the sun Tzu, well I practically have memorized it and the Germans where breaking every law in the book, and they where severely outnumbered, but more importantly the Nazi's ran out of resources before the war ended, how do you solve that problem, had Hitler never made a mistake, he still ran out of resources, outnumbered 10 to one with no available resource, game over no matter what, plain and simple.
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Oh wait, heres a little gem from the ORB poll
The ORB estimate was performed by a random survey of 1,720 adults aged 18+, out of which 1,499 responded
They estimated that 1 million plus deaths from polling 1499 people.
Yes indeed, 1499 people. Clearly accurate and very credible. ::) ::) ::) ::)
One of the smallest poll groups reporting the highest numbers, who would have thought? :D ???
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Another one.
The ORB poll estimate has come under strong criticism in a peer reviewed paper entitled "Conflict Deaths in Iraq: A Methodological Critique of the ORB Survey Estimate", published in the journal Survey Research Methods. This paper "describes in detail how the ORB poll is riddled with critical inconsistencies and methodological shortcomings", and concludes that the ORB poll is "too flawed, exaggerated and ill-founded to contribute to discussion of the human costs of the Iraq war".[8][9]
Epidemiologist Francisco Checci recently echoed these conclusions in a BBC interview, stating that he thinks the ORB estimate was "too high" and "implausible". Checci, like the paper above, says that a “major weakness” of the poll was a failure to adequately distinguish between households and extended family
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Oh wait, heres a little gem from the ORB poll
They estimated that 1 million plus deaths from polling 1499 people.
Yes indeed, 1499 people. Clearly accurate and very credible. ::) ::) ::) ::)
One of the smallest poll groups reporting the highest numbers, who would have thought? :D ???
This retard thinks that a million people have no brothers, no sisters, no mothers, no fathers, no relatives, no record of employment, no medical records, no documents of any source and and where cavemen, they where invisible as well.
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This retard thinks that a million people have no brothers, no sisters, no mothers, no fathers, no relatives, no record of employment, no medical records, no documents of any source and and where cavemen, they where invisible as well.
Whats hilarious about this poll (Lancet) is that they claimed to have death cert's for 92% of households surveyed, which would make a total of around 550,000 death certs.
The problem was, that at that time, the Iraqi's only were aware of 50,000 deaths. So they claimed to have 10x more certified deaths than the Iraqi Ministry of Health/Morgue were aware of.
Odd to say the least. But these are clearly the credible polls, because they have the bigger numbers, and therefore arent propaganda, according to E-Kul logic.
"would imply that officials in Iraq have issued approximately 550,000 death certificates for violent deaths (92% of 601,000). Yet in June 2006, the total figure of post-war violent deaths known to the Iraqi Ministry of Health (MoH), combined with the Baghdad morgue, was approximately 50,000
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That's why I said history is written by the winners. Had Germany won the war, the allies would not have invaded Germany/Poland and would not have known about that stuff. Much like we didn't know the extent of what Stalin did because we weren't in that country.
Side note, why does my iPhone capatalize Stalin automatically, but not hitler? ???
Because your iphone was created by Jews
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you will just get Mr "STARK" excited with that picture....bet he wanked over it yesterday
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Yes the Iraqis are a very credible people.
(http://mcclane.zonalibre.org/00intro.1.jpg)
that guy was funny
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I was in Prague in 2009 and sat for 20 minutes near the Troja Bridge close to where Reinhard Heydrich was killed by 2 Czech agents. I traveled to Czech Republic because I like history, but found the most beautiful girls I have ever seen.
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found the most beautiful girls I have ever seen.
Pics please.
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Polish chicks also are not bad ;D
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I was in Prague in 2009 and sat for 20 minutes near the Troja Bridge close to where Reinhard Heydrich was killed by 2 Czech agents. I traveled to Czech Republic because I like history, but found the most beautiful girls I have ever seen.
Nice down there.