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I found it interesting today that he said on the bbc that everyone should ignore Justin Gatlins bronze at this years Olympic 100m final, as he has previously been caught twice using peds.A little research showed he also gave back his relay gold medal because one of his teammates (antonio Pettigrew) admitted taking HGH and he publically criticised him for it.He also believes in lifetime bans for using.
Do you believe he was clean?Can somebody really be that cold, hypocritical and borderline sociopathic?
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i can quite easily believe he was clean. infact, i do believe he was clean.
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Unless you rear your own animals and grow your own vegetation, I'm willing to bet we're all more or less indirectly on some form of peds
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Michael Duane Johnson (born September 13, 1967) is a retired American sprinter. He won four Olympic gold medals and eight World Championships gold medals.[2] Johnson currently holds the world and Olympic records in the 400 m and 4 x 400 meters relay.
He CANNOT be drug free, fucking lying filth scumbag fuckface.
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I actually do believe him. Simply because I believe he was so good, so genetically gifted and far ahead, he didn't even need to.
I might be naive but it's a strong feeling I have. Then again, I thought Carl Lewis was whiter than white.
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Michael Duane Johnson (born September 13, 1967) is a retired American sprinter. He won four Olympic gold medals and eight World Championships gold medals.[2] Johnson currently holds the world and Olympic records in the 400 m and 4 x 400 meters relay.
He CANNOT be drug free, fucking lying filth scumbag fuckface.
so i take it that your not a fan of MJ?
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Michael Duane Johnson (born September 13, 1967) is a retired American sprinter. He won four Olympic gold medals and eight World Championships gold medals.[2] Johnson currently holds the world and Olympic records in the 400 m and 4 x 400 meters relay.
He CANNOT be drug free, fucking lying filth scumbag fuckface.
why not ?
guy was just a fast bastard. not every fucker has to use drugs.
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I remember stories in 1996 saying his physique was fueled by CREATINE, haha ;D
Looks natural to me here:
(http://stupidityispainless.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/johnson-michael.jpg)
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That pic is not from the year he did the double, in 96...that year, he was much bigger than at any other point in his career:
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1996/0812_large.jpg)
same with this pic, big guy, good structure btw...
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/5/11/1336726619017/sport-005.jpg)
this guy is biger than the guy in the perviously posted pic..
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why not ?
guy was just a fast bastard. not every fucker has to use drugs.
Did you not read the first part of my post? Do you live under a rock? He competes in one of the most heavyily drugged sports AND set records, you do the math.
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The man's whole head structure changed. And wasn't he one of the guys who wore braces well into adulthood. He's obviously one of those guys like Lance Armstrong who is deny his whole life until completely backed in a corner with no way to get out. Check out the guy's HGH fingers.
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why not ?
guy was just a fast bastard. not every fucker has to use drugs.
There are plenty that don't use.
You've never heard of them.
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Johnson was an excellent athlete. If only he could just shut the fuck up.
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Of course he was clean... >:(
::) ::) ;D
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All Superior slave genetics! Slavery wiped out all but the strongest and fittest, hence the reason black guys run like the wind - Slavery = cleansing the gene pool of all the crappy genes!
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He is being smart. He knows they can't do shit to him now.
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All Superior slave genetics! Slavery wiped out all but the strongest and fittest, hence the reason black guys run like the wind - Slavery = cleansing the gene pool of all the crappy genes!
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Mandingo negros like Victor Richards are still strong as Oxens and pack on muscle like nothing, and the skinny Ethiopians are unbeatable at 3000M and beyond. But us diluted negros, from the South and North, can only do wind sprints. It seems to me that you polluted our gene pool with recessive white genes. On top of that, you gave us genetically fucked up hearts like Eastern Europeans, so long distance running equals an instant heart attack. ::)
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Saw piers morgan interviewing johnson, louganis and lewis
They all felt that negative tested athletes should receive lifetime bans
This is what it is, its what they feed the public. What are they gonna do? Admit that everyone is on drugs but the few unfortunate fucks that get caught have to be fed to the wolves?
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Saw piers morgan interviewing johnson, louganis and lewis
They all felt that negative tested athletes should receive lifetime bans
This is what it is, its what they feed the public. What are they gonna do? Admit that everyone is on drugs but the few unfortunate fucks that get caught have to be fed to the wolves?
Just keep Flo Jo out out of this thread.
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I guess with Michael Johnson we'll never know.
If he was completely natural and not assisted in any way then it makes him possibly the most genetically gifted athlete of all time.
On the other hand I have a a hard time believing he did it naturally espcially taking so much off a 200m world record that had stood since 1979.
But like someone else in the thread said, he can say what he likes now - no-one can touch him.
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Just keep Flo Jo out out of this thread.
Who?
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Mandingo negros like Victor Richards are still strong as Oxens and pack on muscle like nothing, and the skinny Ethiopians are unbeatable at 3000M and beyond. But us diluted negros, from the South and North, can only do wind sprints. It seems to me that you polluted our gene pool with recessive white genes. On top of that, you gave us genetically fucked up hearts like Eastern Europeans, so long distance running equals an instant heart attack. ::)
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D :D
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How much does Usain Bolt weigh? That dude is fucking yoked.
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why not ?
guy was just a fast bastard. not every fucker has to use drugs.
You gotta learn a few things about statistics, if your out performing the upper 0.0001 percent of the worlds genetic elite, and they are all obviously juiced hed have to be like 1 in a trillion.
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Take a good look at Lebron James. A freak of nature. DO you really thing he's using? Johnson was the same type of anomaly in his sport. A freak of nature that was clean. Sad thing is that if someone is unusually muscular or athletic we automatically think GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT. The worse thing cheaters have done isn't cheating it's that now we don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt.
** After Marion Jones lied like with that pretty smile like a fucking sociopath, it's kind of understandable. :-\
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Take a good look at Lebron James. A freak of nature. DO you really thing he's using? Johnson was the same type of anomaly in his sport. A freak of nature that was clean. Sad thing is that if someone is unusually muscular or athletic we automatically think GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT. The worse thing cheaters have done isn't cheating it's that now we don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt.
** After Marion Jones lied like with that pretty smile like a fucking sociopath, it's kind of understandable. :-\
I believe Lebron is on HGH yes, check out pics of him at 20 to now, also check out the difference in his jaw size.
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What's amazing is that a drugged up ben Johnson destroyed the field in 88. Yet the top 4 did better than him yesterday. Imagine how far ahead bolt would have been in 88. Something is up with these speeds these guys are getting.
The Jamacan 4*100 is going to be fucking stacked.
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How much does Usain Bolt weigh? That dude is fucking yoked.
Wikipedo says he's 6'5" 210 lbs.
I can believe Carl Lewis was natural or was at least not on anything that had a major impact on his performance. He was a phenom as a teenager and didn't really improve that much up until his peak, then declined into his 30s and was only dominant in one event (long jump) at which he was a generational talent for. He also got thrashed in the 100 m in '88 (that race wasn't close at all) by a guy who was verifiably juiced to the gills.
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What's amazing is that a drugged up ben Johnson destroyed the field in 88. Yet the top 4 did better than him yesterday. Imagine how far ahead bolt would have been in 88. Something is up with these speeds these guys are getting.
The Jamacan 4*100 is going to be fucking stacked.
Everyone else in that field was on. Maybe Johnson would be similar to Bolt in the current climate, maybe not.
The funny thing is, some teenage chinese swimmer starts setting records, everybody labels her a cheat. The whole jamaican team do the same and nobody bats an eyelid. It's not politically correct to call out a predominant black country but everyone else is fair game.
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Wikipedo says he's 6'5" 210 lbs.
I can believe Carl Lewis was natural or was at least not on anything that had a major impact on his performance. He was a phenom as a teenager and didn't really improve that much up until his peak, then declined into his 30s and was only dominant in one event (long jump) at which he was a generational talent for. He also got thrashed in the 100 m in '88 (that race wasn't close at all) by a guy who was verifiably juiced to the gills.
He failed multiple tests and latterly admitted to taking PED's.
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He failed multiple tests and latterly admitted to taking PED's.
yep he did,,, i think the whole of the 88 line up were later found to be fully loaded, flits!
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The man's whole head structure changed. And wasn't he one of the guys who wore braces well into adulthood. He's obviously one of those guys like Lance Armstrong who is deny his whole life until completely backed in a corner with no way to get out. Check out the guy's HGH fingers.
I agree with this completely. Any time someone demolishes world records, you should think ped until proven otherwise. I think this guy is the exact lying "filt" that gh15 always talked about. Its like the american coach said with regard to the chinese swimmer, in basically all cases where someone thoroughly demolished a record, that person was either found guilty of using or incontrovertibly linked to ped use. I also remember there was a lot of talk about mj using hgh as he showed up in atlanta with a changed facial structure. I remember a lot of people saying he looked like a chipmunk...
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I'd like to see a 200m Usain Bolt vs. Michael Johnson.
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There is no point being clean in sports. The payoff is HUGE. We are not talking about thousand of dollars but instead millions and millions. You do what you have to do to win and succeed. When you find out that the 8th place guy was dirty and realize, fuck this guy was dirty and still finished in 8th, then what the hell are the top 7 guys on a light goes off. Ding ding mutherfucking ding. WHAT ARE THE TOPS GUYS ON?
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I believe Michael Johnson was clean. One of those athletes that comes along every so often and just blows away the competition. I think people forget genuine genetic phonoms actually exist. Bolt is the latest. (i will be fucking devastated to say the least if he ever returns a positive test)
Carl Lewis- proven cheat that too much of the world still thinks is whiter than white.
Regarding Justin Gatlin. He was given a second chance after testing positive which i believe an athlete should get, but he cheated again and got caught and should never have been allowed anywhere near an Olympic games unless he'd payed the price of a ticket. If only Tyson Gay had timed his finishing posture better.
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Just to put things in perspective as to what sports at the olympics have athletes who take drugs,its just been reported the winner of the walking race has been disqualified for EPO.So if walkers are on drugs,you can bet the mojority of runners will be whatever they can get there hands on.
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Just to put things in perspective as to what sports at the olympics have athletes who take drugs,its just been reported the winner of the walking race has been disqualified for EPO.So if walkers are on drugs,you can bet the mojority of runners will be whatever they can get there hands on.
Agreed,they should be ahead of the curve as far as testing goes!
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That pic is not from the year he did the double, in 96...that year, he was much bigger than at any other point in his career:
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1996/0812_large.jpg)
same with this pic, big guy, good structure btw...
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/5/11/1336726619017/sport-005.jpg)
this guy is biger than the guy in the perviously posted pic..
is that SUGAR SHANE MOSLEY chasing him ? ;D
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On top of that, you gave us genetically fucked up hearts like Eastern Europeans, so long distance running equals an instant heart attack. ::)
what?
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If what seperates the greatest athlete in your state and the best in the world is 1 percent in performance, and steroids add 5 percent to performance, no matter if your the best in the world natural, the best in your state will still have a 4 percent advantage.
Granted these numbers are coming out of thin air but you can understand the math. The difference in performance between 1 athlete in a million and 1 in 7 billion natural, is much smaller than the difference between an athlete that is juiced to the gills and one that is natty.
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He failed multiple tests and latterly admitted to taking PED's.
If you considered ephedrine to be performance enhancing on the same level as steroids then I suppose this is accurate.
It was revealed that Lewis tested positive three times before the 1988 Olympics for pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, and phenylpropanolamine, banned stimulants and bronchodilators also found in cold medication, and had been banned from the Seoul Olympics and from competition for six months.
None of those three things are masking agents for steroids. The third one there is banned because it's a key ingredient for making meth. If we're going to discount athletic performances while using stimulants then we may as well throw out every record for the last 100 years.
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Those who talk the loudest tend to be the dirtiest.
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Take a good look at Lebron James. A freak of nature. DO you really thing he's using? Johnson was the same type of anomaly in his sport. A freak of nature that was clean. Sad thing is that if someone is unusually muscular or athletic we automatically think GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT. The worse thing cheaters have done isn't cheating it's that now we don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt.
** After Marion Jones lied like with that pretty smile like a fucking sociopath, it's kind of understandable. :-\
Michael Jordan let Tiger Woods know how HGH could help his golf game...Lebron James knew exactly what type of "supplements" are out there. Nike is rumored to have their own scientist working on shit. The owner of NIKE was runner.
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He failed multiple tests and latterly admitted to taking PED's.
And he wore braces as an adult (HGH)
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Everyone else in that field was on. Maybe Johnson would be similar to Bolt in the current climate, maybe not.
The funny thing is, some teenage chinese swimmer starts setting records, everybody labels her a cheat. The whole jamaican team do the same and nobody bats an eyelid. It's not politically correct to call out a predominant black country but everyone else is fair game.
8)
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Just to put things in perspective as to what sports at the olympics have athletes who take drugs,its just been reported the winner of the walking race has been disqualified for EPO.So if walkers are on drugs,you can bet the mojority of runners will be whatever they can get there hands on.
This^^^ Somewhere on the planet some naive people still believe some IFBB pro bodybuilders have been natural there whole life. And they will argue with anyone who says they aren't. I remember ONLYME being on this site calling people out who said Tiger Woods uses drugs(his Dr. busted for HGH) Or the guys on the tv show saved by the bell (Zack came out and he did). The list goes on and on.
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Is this guy clean
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forums/attachments/muscle-building-bodybuilding/4860d1341658511-massive-legs-robert-forstemann-robert-forsteman-2010-3-27-9-6-8.jpg)
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Is this guy clean
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forums/attachments/muscle-building-bodybuilding/4860d1341658511-massive-legs-robert-forstemann-robert-forsteman-2010-3-27-9-6-8.jpg)
Whatever he was.... it didn't do him any good...
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Is this guy clean
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forums/attachments/muscle-building-bodybuilding/4860d1341658511-massive-legs-robert-forstemann-robert-forsteman-2010-3-27-9-6-8.jpg)
4-2-6-5-3-1
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What's amazing is that a drugged up ben Johnson destroyed the field in 88. Yet the top 4 did better than him yesterday. Imagine how far ahead bolt would have been in 88. Something is up with these speeds these guys are getting.
The Jamacan 4*100 is going to be fucking stacked.
They have also been speeding up the track to get rid of Ben's time---they have dong this for awhile now.
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And he wore braces as an adult (HGH)
it fucks with the teeth/jaw that much. is this common?
They have also been speeding up the track to get rid of Ben's time---they have dong this for awhile now.
how do you speed up a track. ...theres been a lot of docs on ben johnson and carl lewis doping. they're all doping.
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it fucks with the teeth/jaw that much. is this common?
how do you speed up a track. ...theres been a lot of docs on ben johnson and carl lewis doping. they're all doping.
At that time GH was cadavar , a lot better and more effective but also a bunch more serious sides than today's shit.
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You can certainly run faster on some surfaces than on others (think of running on sand, or in football guys generally run faster on turf than on grass) but I'm not sure how this extends to track construction.
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You can certainly run faster on some surfaces than on others (think of running on sand, or in football guys generally run faster on turf than on grass) but I'm not sure how this extends to track construction.
It is true, apparently they are doing this with horse racing as well. More of a shock absorbing bouncier surface that makes running quicker and easier on the joints.
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If you considered ephedrine to be performance enhancing on the same level as steroids then I suppose this is accurate.
None of those three things are masking agents for steroids. The third one there is banned because it's a key ingredient for making meth. If we're going to discount athletic performances while using stimulants then we may as well throw out every record for the last 100 years.
Go and read abut how Ben got caught and others role in it, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out how informed all parties were in regards to drugs.
As said he admitted to taking drugs and his terms of speech were indicative of more than stimulants, which regardless happen to be illegal.
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There are plenty that don't use.
You've never heard of them.
perfect
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Go and read abut how Ben got caught and others role in it, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out how informed all parties were in regards to drugs.
As said he admitted to taking drugs and his terms of speech were indicative of more than stimulants, which regardless happen to be illegal.
I don't know what your point is but Johnson tested positive for stanozolol after the race and later admitted to using steroids throughout his career. This is well known, I don't need to go read about it. Lewis never tested positive for steroids regardless of what you infer from his "terms of speech", and if he did and it was covered up I'm not sure why they would keep that covered and reveal the rest.
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it fucks with the teeth/jaw that much. is this common?
how do you speed up a track. ...theres been a lot of docs on ben johnson and carl lewis doping. they're all doping.
The material in the track...certain surface materials are better for sprint, while worse for endurance/long distance. To "help" get rid of Ben's time (along with drugs, etc), they have increasing used materials to get quicker times, much to the chagrin of long distance runners (constant pounding of the feet/joints, etc).
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I watched Michael johnson's interview on Australian 60 minutes where the moment he was asked about drug use he threw the microphone off his shirt and walked out! He wasn't accused he was simply asked. Why would he get so upset if he was clean? Because he wasn't.
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I watched Michael johnson's interview on Australian 60 minutes where the moment he was asked about drug use he through the microphone off his shirt and walked out! He wasn't accused he was simply asked. Why would he get so upset if he was clean? Because he wasn't.
What was the exact question he was asked?
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I don't know what your point is but Johnson tested positive for stanozolol after the race and later admitted to using steroids throughout his career. This is well known, I don't need to go read about it. Lewis never tested positive for steroids regardless of what you infer from his "terms of speech", and if he did and it was covered up I'm not sure why they would keep that covered and reveal the rest.
From memory Lewis did come out with a positive test, but it was buried as the USA didn't want the embarrassment.
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It was a long time ago but it was words to the effect of "What about the people who say you take drugs?" He got upset and walked off, he was doing fine up until then. I guess he didn't want to lie and decided it was easier to walk away but that made him look more guilty than ever. Marion Jones should have taught him a thing or two about lying. I guess the hardest thing is lying to yourself and then trying to convince others.
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It was a long time ago but it was words to the effect of "What about the people who say you take drugs?" He got upset and walked off, he was doing fine up until then. I guess he didn't want to lie and decided it was easier to walk away but that made him look more guilty than ever. Marion Jones should have taught him a thing or two about lying. I guess the hardest thing is lying to yourself and then trying to convince others.
Marion Jones should have continued to lie---maybe the lies were too much to bear, that and her "husband" hemming her up...
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It was a long time ago but it was words to the effect of "What about the people who say you take drugs?" He got upset and walked off, he was doing fine up until then. I guess he didn't want to lie and decided it was easier to walk away but that made him look more guilty than ever. Marion Jones should have taught him a thing or two about lying. I guess the hardest thing is lying to yourself and then trying to convince others.
I don't see that that proves in any way he is guilty. It just shows that he found the question insulting. He has stated before that he never took drugs so not wanting to lie is no explanation; dude is a flat out liar if he was using banned substances.
Not saying he wasn't using btw.. I just don't see it as a guilty man's reaction. Can just as easily make a case for it being the opposite.
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From memory Lewis did come out with a positive test, but it was buried as the USA didn't want the embarrassment.
It was not a positive test for steroids. It was for two stimulants and something that's banned because it's a key ingredient to making meth and is also found in cold medicine (this is why meth cookers run rackets to buy up all the Sudafed or whatever in the area).
Like I said already if we're going to discount athletic performances because people used stimulants than just throw out every sports record in recorded history.
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Have a look at the video and then decide. To me, when I was watching it indicated guilt and I had no judegement about him prior to that because he was just another track star on the USA team and I expected them to be the best, but this spoke volumes as it was just a standard question and it it wasn't accusatory in any way as far as I was concerned. Anyway, his actions and demeanour made up my mind about him from there on and these days I think everyone is on them the sport is so filthy. I still enjoy watching it though.
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Have a look at the video and then decide. To me, when I was watching it indicated guilt and I had no judegement about him prior to that because he was just another track star on the USA team and I expected them to be the best, but this spoke volumes as it was just a standard question and it it wasn't accusatory in any way as far as I was concerned. Anyway, his actions and demeanour made up my mind about him from there on and these days I think everyone is on them the sport is so filthy. I still enjoy watching it though.
"Truth, Justice, and the American Way", the latter negates the two former.
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MJ's 200m before the 96 games
1. 19.85 7-90
2. 19.88 8-90
3. 19.79 6-92
4. 19.79 8-95
5. 19.83 5-96
96 games:
1) 19.32
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MJ's 200m before the 96 games
1. 19.85 7-90
2. 19.88 8-90
3. 19.79 6-92
4. 19.79 8-95
5. 19.83 5-96
96 games:
1) 19.32
don't forget he also ran 19.66 to break the world record at the oly trials in june of 96. Another thing to consider is that he over-ran. he hurt himself in running 19.32, permanently...hamstring,hip, quad problems from that point on. I'm not saying he was clean or dirty, but he was a freak of nature, regardless of drug use...just like usain bolt.
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One thing you got to understand is that people like Michael Johnson,Carl Lewis,Usain Bolt are not normal people : they are FREAK OF NATURE , they are the GENETIC ELITE OF THE WORLD, and human specimens like them are born one every miliion.
But to think that this 3 athletes are clean is FUCKING RETARDED,just like thinking that Jay Cutler is clean too.
The big difference is that without steroid and HGH this 3 athletes (Michael Johnson, Carl Lewis,Usain Bolt) would always be SUPREME ATHLETES when instead Jay Cutler without drugs would be only a FAT WHITE BOY. ;)
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It was not a positive test for steroids. It was for two stimulants and something that's banned because it's a key ingredient to making meth and is also found in cold medicine (this is why meth cookers run rackets to buy up all the Sudafed or whatever in the area).
Like I said already if we're going to discount athletic performances because people used stimulants than just throw out every sports record in recorded history.
Ronnie Coleman said he was natural too. No-one believes him because everyone believes Steroids = Muscle and he is a freak. But with no Steroids Ronnie would still be the best, steroids/PED's just help make him bigger.
Same with running. Michael Johnson is fast and would probably win with no PED's. It just wouldn't be those times.
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They are all natural born liars, that know how to get past their transgressions.
Others just get caught reaching too far in the cookie jar -- for far too long.
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Not saying either of you are wrong, but don't forget everyone responds differently to drugs some people respond really well and some can take a boatload and get not very far. Maybe these guys are the good responders and not necessarily the best atheletes. Flo Jo was the classic example of this, from memeory she was nowhere as a runner certainly not top 5 and then like magic she went to the top almost overnight. I think it's a little simplistic to say best on the gear also equals best off the gear. Carl Lewis maybe as stated he was a teenage phenom(so was Lance Armstrong) but was Michael Johnson? (I honestly don't know.)
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Not saying either of you are wrong, but don't forget everyone responds differently to drugs some people respond really well and some can take a boatload and get not very far. Maybe these guys are the good responders and not necessarily the best atheletes. Flo Jo was the classic example of this, from memeory she was nowhere as a runner certainly not top 5 and then like magic she went to the top almost overnight. I think it's a little simplistic to say best on the gear also equals best off the gear. Carl Lewis maybe as stated he was a teenage phenom(so was Lance Armstrong) but was Michael Johnson? (I honestly don't know.)
Yes but Flo Jo was probably natural and not top 5 and the others were juiced and beating her. Her juicing then just let her go past them.
They were all teenage phenoms. They are all the best out there, but when you come to the elite level and the rest are juicing, they will beat you.
From what i have read on Ben Johnson and the speeding up of the tracks, he would be winning today. He said he could run 9.30 if he was running today and i believe he'd beat Bolt.
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don't forget he also ran 19.66 to break the world record at the oly trials in june of 96. Another thing to consider is that he over-ran. he hurt himself in running 19.32, permanently...hamstring,hip, quad problems from that point on. I'm not saying he was clean or dirty, but he was a freak of nature, regardless of drug use...just like usain bolt.
is that so? how then does he run 43.18 in the 400 4 years later?
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One thing you got to understand is that people like Michael Johnson,Carl Lewis,Usain Bolt are not normal people : they are FREAK OF NATURE , they are the GENETIC ELITE OF THE WORLD, and human specimens like them are born one every miliion.
But to think that this 3 athletes are clean is FUCKING RETARDED,just like thinking that Jay Cutler is clean too.
The big difference is that without steroid and HGH this 3 athletes (Michael Johnson, Carl Lewis,Usain Bolt) would always be SUPREME ATHLETES when instead Jay Cutler without drugs would be only a FAT WHITE BOY. ;)
Yup. Regardless of their PED use, the 3 sprinters you mentioned are truly the genetic elite. We can argue all day about what they used, but at the end of the day, without drugs, Johson, Lewis, and Bolt would still be supreme athletes, while Cutler would be a fat, short nobody.
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You have to understand that these Elite athletes never worked a day in their life. They've been primed since a very young age and even mentioning drugs is the kiss of death to them. They will lie to the end. It's not like they have something to fall back on.
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Anyone who believes Ben or Michael Johnson, Lewis, Bubka, Bolt, Gatlin, Joyner, Jones, Jeter, Christie, etc. are natural is horribly naive. Natural to world class track athletes is being off the stuff two days prior to your "random" test.
The pathological lying is just an added bonus.
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From memory Lewis did come out with a positive test, but it was buried as the USA didn't want the embarrassment.
"Carl Lewis has broken his silence on allegations that he was the beneficiary of a drugs cover-up, admitting he had tested positive for banned substances but claiming he was just one of "hundreds" of American athletes who were allowed to escape bans.
"There were hundreds of people getting off," he said. "Everyone was treated the same."
Lewis has now acknowledged that he failed three tests during the 1988 US Olympic trials, which under international rules at the time should have prevented him from competing in the Seoul games two months later.
The admission is a further embarrassment for the United States Olympic Committee, which had initially denied claims that 114 positive tests between 1988 and 2000 were covered up."
USOC logic goes like this -- as long as they are winning the medals while cheating it's A ok, because everyone else is obviously doing it, since they are getting busted. ::)
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It was not a positive test for steroids. It was for two stimulants and something that's banned because it's a key ingredient to making meth and is also found in cold medicine (this is why meth cookers run rackets to buy up all the Sudafed or whatever in the area).
Like I said already if we're going to discount athletic performances because people used stimulants than just throw out every sports record in recorded history.
Lewis's positive tests were all covered up by the powers that be -- of the USOC.
Every time these athletes test positive - supposedly it's for cough based medicine or something laced with something, when in reality they are all really attempting to mask the use of other drugs.
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why would anyone ddo steroids, i would be too afriad of my weiner becoming impotent
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why would anyone ddo steroids, i would be too afriad of my weiner becoming impotent
this Olympic athlete can get a boner on command. Even while getting his medal...
Video taken by Basile...
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All Superior slave genetics! Slavery wiped out all but the strongest and fittest, hence the reason black guys run like the wind - Slavery = cleansing the gene pool of all the crappy genes!
BULLSHIT. 99 PERCENT 0F SLAVES LIVED GREAT LIVES. THEIR LIVES WERE MUCH BETTER THAN IN AFRICA WHERE THEY WERE F0RCED INT0 WAR.
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They're ALL on drugs.
They've almost ALL been on drugs since the 40s, when records were shattered out of the blue
Ben johnson has become the anti-christ cheating bad-man, but it couldve been ANYONE, since they're ALL on drugs
They're all genetic elite, all fantastic athletes that train extremely hard, but THEYRE ALL ON DRUGS
ALL OF THEM
If someone takes the WHOLE 100m line-up and gives them A REAL surprise unannounced test, they will ALL fail
Basically bolt is the best, fastest out of ALL the drug using genetic elite atm
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Wikipedo says he's 6'5" 210 lbs.
I can believe Carl Lewis was natural or was at least not on anything that had a major impact on his performance. He was a phenom as a teenager and didn't really improve that much up until his peak, then declined into his 30s and was only dominant in one event (long jump) at which he was a generational talent for. He also got thrashed in the 100 m in '88 (that race wasn't close at all) by a guy who was verifiably juiced to the gills.
My HRT doc was US olympic team physician during the years Lewis was competing and he has a slightly different opinion.
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::)
Mandingo negros like Victor Richards are still strong as Oxens and pack on muscle like nothing, and the skinny Ethiopians are unbeatable at 3000M and beyond. But us diluted negros, from the South and North, can only do wind sprints. It seems to me that you polluted our gene pool with recessive white genes. On top of that, you gave us genetically fucked up hearts like Eastern Europeans, so long distance running equals an instant heart attack. ::)
i thought some north african muslim and a white guy took 1 and 2 respectively in the 10k meter this time around?
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I don't know what your point is but Johnson tested positive for stanozolol after the race and later admitted to using steroids throughout his career. This is well known, I don't need to go read about it. Lewis never tested positive for steroids regardless of what you infer from his "terms of speech", and if he did and it was covered up I'm not sure why they would keep that covered and reveal the rest.
My point is that there were some very shady dealings and involvement from people on Lewis' team in the whole Ben Johnson situation.
If you choose to not actually look at the information that is out there then you shouldn't even pass comment.
Literally hundreds of failed tests were buried, but a few sacrificial lambs are sporadically needed. Carl was an exceptional athlete but Ben was just the better 100 meter runner, end of story.
Also stimulants are illegal, lol at them being banned because of them being a component of meth, they are illegal because they enhance your performance.
They are all genetic elite, they are all drugged to the eyeballs and the person that wins the races are the best in their disciplines.
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what's bolts stats?
height, weight, arm measurement?
i'd put his arms at sub-14 inches
also he does have a bit of a preggo belly ??? but maybe that's from bad posture ie. lordosis
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i can quite easily believe he was clean. infact, i do believe he was clean.
To make it clear for you. :)
Drugs common at the top of pro sports?
David Millar never tested positive for drugs. He admitted it only after being arrested at dinner one night with Sky Team general manager David Brailsford in France. Marian Jones also never tested positive but later admitted to systematic doping. So if the worlds best in sport mostly only get caught when they fess up what does that say about current testing methods and wide spread hot sauce usage?
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Did you not read the first part of my post? Do you live under a rock? He competes in one of the most heavyily drugged sports AND set records, you do the math.
This
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BULLSHIT. 99 PERCENT 0F SLAVES LIVED GREAT LIVES. THEIR LIVES WERE MUCH BETTER THAN IN AFRICA WHERE THEY WERE F0RCED INT0 WAR.
Yeah Right! My slaves are happy says the slave owner - As happy as a battered wife resigned to her fate!
Anyway, Michael Johnson agrees - check it out for yourself
I can see how Africans would have been truly thrilled to be transported in such a manner!
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Brilliant article by Matt Lawton in the Daily Mail in regards to the womens times in the 100m now,compared to Flo jO,and what the East Germans were up to,and just look at the pics of the East German female shot putter.Thats what the gear does to a woman.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article-2184608/How-athletics-scarred-reign-chemical-sisters.html
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Brilliant article by Matt Lawton in the Daily Mail in regards to the womens times in the 100m now,compared to Flo jO,and what the East Germans were up to,and just look at the pics of the East German female shot putter.Thats what the gear does to a woman.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article-2184608/How-athletics-scarred-reign-chemical-sisters.html
Yes, very good article.
It could be construed in one of two ways - that athletes are still using drugs but which aren't as strong as those in the 1980's, or that today's top athletes are genuinely natural, hence why the records (especially for the women) aren't being broken.
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Insane speed for a woman
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Insane speed for a woman
Died at 39 of 'natural causes'. But at death she was tested negative and so her husband said that was proof she never touched anything her entire career. LOL.
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Yeah Right! My slaves are happy says the slave owner - As happy as a battered wife resigned to her fate!
Anyway, Michael Johnson agrees - check it out for yourself
I can see how Africans would have been truly thrilled to be transported in such a manner!
AFRICA WAS AND STILL IS A PLACE 0F WAR WHERE ALM0ST 50 PERCENT 0F ALL W0MEN ARE RAPED. SLAVES IN AMERICA LIVED MUCH BETTER LIVES THAN THEIR C0UNTERPARTS DID IN AFRICA. THE SLAVES THAT CAME T0 THIS C0UNTRY CAME FR0M A WAR RAVAGED C0NTINENT WHERE THEY WERE ACTUALLY SLAVES THEMSELVES. THE SLAVE TRADERS B0UGHT THE SLAVES FR0M THE SLAVE0WNERS IN AFRICA AND M0ST WERE PRIS0NERS 0F WAR. THEY DIDN'T JUST G0 INT0 AFRICA AND R0UND UP BLACK PE0PLE THR0UGH F0RCE. THEY WERE GIVEN BY TRIBAL LEADERS. THEN WHEN THEY CAME T0 THE STATES THEY ACTUALLY G0T DECENT CL0THES, F00D, AND EDUCATI0N.
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Flo-Jo fast as fuck and fine as fuck...especially for a track star.
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My point is that there were some very shady dealings and involvement from people on Lewis' team in the whole Ben Johnson situation.
If you choose to not actually look at the information that is out there then you shouldn't even pass comment.
Literally hundreds of failed tests were buried, but a few sacrificial lambs are sporadically needed. Carl was an exceptional athlete but Ben was just the better 100 meter runner, end of story.
Also stimulants are illegal, lol at them being banned because of them being a component of meth, they are illegal because they enhance your performance.
They are all genetic elite, they are all drugged to the eyeballs and the person that wins the races are the best in their disciplines.
My recollection was that Ben's coach (Charlie Francis?) admitted that Ben was using, but said it would be insane to have been taking Winstrol/Stanozol at that point in their drug program.