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This is a spineless, gutless, mindless, whiny, liberal NYC audience.
The results are quite surprising.
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first thing in the vid, lol "Islam is Peace" Says President Bush
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what a liar.
The qur'an does not have 'violent verses' like the bible, it has verses refering to fighting.
Secondly he says all verses of peace are followed up by verses of violence. LOL... it proves me this guy did not read the Qur'an. All verses which speak of fighting (which have context too btw), are followed up by peaceful verses. Always advocating to accept peace, to work towards peace, to seize fighting, make truce at least, etc...
Unlike the bible which literally says kill everyone, spare no one, have no mercy (literally), take the women, slay the men, etc... This is the bible and most christians are not aware... but the same is being said of the quran which are in fact lies heh. The bible on the other hand advocates all out massacres and bloodshed with actual violent portrayal.
The somali witch in her opening contradicts herself in her hate of Islam and Muslims... no one listens to her except idiots that know nothing about Islam and conduct the same level of hate.
The first lady that spoke in 'defense of islam' has no knowledge of islam and just goes on being apologetic of we are peaceful look at me. She quotes nothing from the qur'an and there is plenty to demonstrate what Islam actually says, how merciful God is and how merciful we are to be. How God is just and one of the name's of God is as-salam -- peace. Just toooo many examples she could have given and explained... and any kind of 'fighting' verses could have been demonstrated in context as well as how they are followed up by avoiding fighting and striving to attain peace.
The egyptian guy doesn't know what he's talking about and just tries to be staunch about the 'extremists' that apparently he grew up around and how he's changed and how he learned the quran but he was never religious?? Completely makes no sense.
This is not a debate lol... because there is no muslim on the debate that actually knows anything of Islam, of the qur'an or of the seerah of the prophet, or of any sayings of the prophet (pbuh).
It's just lame...
I've realized over all these years since before even being Muslim, that ... on television there is NEVER an actual scholar of islam who is chosen to debate or talk or discuss Islam and what it stands for, beliefs, etc... but always some liberal no knowledge personalities that stick on every channel whenever there is need to 'discuss islam'. And of course the typical ali hirsi, salman rushdie, tarek fatah, etc... 'experts' on islam who hate islam and really don't know jack. Irshad Manji lol... she was paraphrasing quran and misquoting verses in her books... these people have no scholarly background... they are just emotional and angry because something happened in their life and they blame it on Muslims and suddenly Islam is guilty because of what happened to them in their lives. Seriously.
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are you a muslim? What happens if you decide not to be a muslim anymore? Can you be killed for that?
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I've become muslim almost ten years ago.
lol, someone who decides to be muslim and understands islam would never leave islam. Islam has a very distinct set of beliefs that no other religion has, it is a complete way of life. Not just a set of minor beliefs and set of rituals. It encompases the whole of the human being and of mankind.
If a person claimed to have accepted islam and didnt full understand islam to begin with but just kind of went with it, they never really truly embraced Islam. People with little knowledge can whimper and go into anything like a palm tree in the wind, any way the wind blows they go.
That's why you'll hear of all these different people talking about how they were ex-muslims like ali hirsi in this video, but, when they talk they know NOTHING... just hearsay like most non-muslims that have not actually spent the time to learn about Islam.
The hudood (punishment) for apostacy is indeed death. However, it too has it's context. The ruling came because there were hypocrites who literally wanted to undermine islam. So they wanted to demoralize the muslims who were already in a bad situation being persecuted. So they would over day and night, join islam, leave islam, join islam, leave islam, in repetitive fashion. So the ruling came.
There is no compulsion in Islam as the quran says. In other words, to SUBMIT yourself to God almighty no one can literally put a sword to your neck and say 'believe'. It is YOUR SOUL and YOUR HEART that is towards God... and no one can take that away from you. That is part of what it means to be Muslim. To submit yourself alone to God alone. The prophets and messengers on the other hand were sent for mankind by God, people amongst the people chosen so that their people would understand them and not be in fear of something they do not understand or cannot grasp. Ironically Christians used to do this to jews, muslims and everyone else -- baptize or die as charlamange used to say and do.
So this ruling really more so refers to these types of hypocrites who try to harm muslims. Yes I do not deny it and it is what it is.
The so called ex-muslims that may be ethnically pakistani, arab, whatever, and hear about something else other than islam and have no knowledge of islam, they embraced something while being in a muslim environment without knowing about islam. They were like someone who was not a muslim to begin with. Being 'muslim' in name is meaningless. To be muslim is literally to submit yourself to God, not men, not whims and desires but to God. Understanding that we are on this earth for a limited time, being tested and trialed by our deeds and behaviour.
You will never find a person who was trully practicing and understanding of Islam to leave Islam. As every other religion is corrupted by mankind. With Islam, it reaffirms what was before and it is retained, so that even if muslims stray away, you can always go back to the source and fix it. Alot of these ex muslims will claim they were 'very religious' because they did what? They followed in prayer ritually... but did they know what they were saying, or doing, etc... or they would have worn a scarf (even if its a convertible one like alot of pakistanis and afghans do in the west), missing the whole point, because they are born into muslim families or environments but never spend the time to actually study islam, therefore they literally rely on hearsay of their fellow muslims and hearsay of non-muslims. It's a mess in that sense.
However because of such weak muslims, they pollute islam with customs, tribal crap, culture, traditions, etc... as if it was in a period pre-islam. A period that muslims call al-jahiliya (the time of ignorance). So there is both a misinformational misrepresentation of islam for muslims and non muslims because they get lost in this junky stuff.. instead of looking at what Islam actually says.
For instance, the one thing that makes me very angry are the so called 'honor killings' which always carries pointed fingers at Islam but in fact it has nothing to do with Islam. African christians do, Arab christians do it, Hindus in India do it and do it alot, etc...
As far as apostacy goes. Many countries have death penalties for treason.
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I've become muslim almost ten years ago.
lol, someone who decides to be muslim and understands islam would never leave islam. Islam has a very distinct set of beliefs that no other religion has, it is a complete way of life. Not just a set of minor beliefs and set of rituals. It encompases the whole of the human being and of mankind.
If a person claimed to have accepted islam and didnt full understand islam to begin with but just kind of went with it, they never really truly embraced Islam. People with little knowledge can whimper and go into anything like a palm tree in the wind, any way the wind blows they go.
That's why you'll hear of all these different people talking about how they were ex-muslims like ali hirsi in this video, but, when they talk they know NOTHING... just hearsay like most non-muslims that have not actually spent the time to learn about Islam.
The hudood (punishment) for apostacy is indeed death. However, it too has it's context. The ruling came because there were hypocrites who literally wanted to undermine islam. So they wanted to demoralize the muslims who were already in a bad situation being persecuted. So they would over day and night, join islam, leave islam, join islam, leave islam, in repetitive fashion. So the ruling came.
There is no compulsion in Islam as the quran says. In other words, to SUBMIT yourself to God almighty no one can literally put a sword to your neck and say 'believe'. It is YOUR SOUL and YOUR HEART that is towards God... and no one can take that away from you. That is part of what it means to be Muslim. To submit yourself alone to God alone. The prophets and messengers on the other hand were sent for mankind by God, people amongst the people chosen so that their people would understand them and not be in fear of something they do not understand or cannot grasp. Ironically Christians used to do this to jews, muslims and everyone else -- baptize or die as charlamange used to say and do.
So this ruling really more so refers to these types of hypocrites who try to harm muslims. Yes I do not deny it and it is what it is.
The so called ex-muslims that may be ethnically pakistani, arab, whatever, and hear about something else other than islam and have no knowledge of islam, they embraced something while being in a muslim environment without knowing about islam. They were like someone who was not a muslim to begin with. Being 'muslim' in name is meaningless. To be muslim is literally to submit yourself to God, not men, not whims and desires but to God. Understanding that we are on this earth for a limited time, being tested and trialed by our deeds and behaviour.
You will never find a person who was trully practicing and understanding of Islam to leave Islam. As every other religion is corrupted by mankind. With Islam, it reaffirms what was before and it is retained, so that even if muslims stray away, you can always go back to the source and fix it. Alot of these ex muslims will claim they were 'very religious' because they did what? They followed in prayer ritually... but did they know what they were saying, or doing, etc... or they would have worn a scarf (even if its a convertible one like alot of pakistanis and afghans do in the west), missing the whole point, because they are born into muslim families or environments but never spend the time to actually study islam, therefore they literally rely on hearsay of their fellow muslims and hearsay of non-muslims. It's a mess in that sense.
However because of such weak muslims, they pollute islam with customs, tribal crap, culture, traditions, etc... as if it was in a period pre-islam. A period that muslims call al-jahiliya (the time of ignorance). So there is both a misinformational misrepresentation of islam for muslims and non muslims because they get lost in this junky stuff.. instead of looking at what Islam actually says.
For instance, the one thing that makes me very angry are the so called 'honor killings' which always carries pointed fingers at Islam but in fact it has nothing to do with Islam. African christians do, Arab christians do it, Hindus in India do it and do it alot, etc...
As far as apostacy goes. Many countries have death penalties for treason.
sounds real peaceful ::) I can attack christianity for being stupid but if someone says or does anything against Islam, they can find themselves without a head pretty quick. real nice....
and lol, at least a person is only labeled a jew hater if they say anything bad judiaism. Not good but at least not dead lol....
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That's pretty idiotic. No one will kill you for slandering islam. It will just show you either do not believe or hate Islam whether out of misinformation or arrogance/pride whatever it may be.
And as far as Judaism goes. No one ever criticizes judaism. They only criticize Israel and zionism. However certain Jews (such as ADL/Aipac/etc...) will cry anti-semetism when the crimes of Israel are put on the table. This is not being anti-jewish or anti-judaism.
Funny that no one ever criticizes judaism for the torah or worse yet talmud which basically compares any non-jew to an animal.
All these claims people make about Islam are in fact true for christianity and judaism. That's why I find it ironic that christians and jews will try to say of Islam what is in fact in their own religions and not islam.
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Are you a bitter, mal-adjusted pedophile like your mass-murdering, wife-stealing, epileptic wannabe prophet was?
Islamic converts usually consist of society's most pathetic.
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That's pretty idiotic. No one will kill you for slandering islam. It will just show you either do not believe or hate Islam whether out of misinformation or arrogance/pride whatever it may be.
And as far as Judaism goes. No one ever criticizes judaism. They only criticize Israel and zionism. However certain Jews (such as ADL/Aipac/etc...) will cry anti-semetism when the crimes of Israel are put on the table. This is not being anti-jewish or anti-judaism.
Funny that no one ever criticizes judaism for the torah or worse yet talmud which basically compares any non-jew to an animal.
All these claims people make about Islam are in fact true for christianity and judaism. That's why I find it ironic that christians and jews will try to say of Islam what is in fact in their own religions and not islam.
::) I know the difference and I have said judiasm is stupid so you can't say nobody says it and there is a good chance you'll just be labeled a hater if you say anything negative in anyway related to jews. been there done that.
Also you're dead wrong. Being critical of Islam can and often does get you a nice big death threat and people do get killed for it. Real peacefull there buddy.
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::) I know the difference and I have said judiasm is stupid so you can't say nobody says it and there is a good chance you'll just be labeled a hater if you say anything negative in anyway related to jews. been there done that.
Also you're dead wrong. Being critical of Islam can and often does get you a nice big death threat and people do get killed for it. Real peacefull there buddy.
Don't bother. Dude is either totally ignorant of the things carried out in the name of his religion daily, or he's the greatest troll ever.
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Through the times many wars were fought over religious and personal freedoms. And many governments were created to oversee the equality of it's citizens rights and freedoms.
Some wars have been fought for the sole purpose of creating a government that strips away all equality under the guise of "religion". They have mostly all failed or simply died out. With the exception of Islam. They actually won their war in historical times, and that's where the rub comes in. Rather than progressing themselves on a level along with the rest of world, they instead want to suppress and regress the rest of the world back to their level. They are still at "war" with those who think/look/act/believe/live different than they do.
If you look at the way they enslave and suppress their own people, you can imagine what they would like to do to everyone else. Of course, you can't have a logical conversation about something like this because they simply get belligerent and run down to the synagogue to hand fatwas left and right.
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That's pretty idiotic. No one will kill you for slandering islam. It will just show you either do not believe or hate Islam whether out of misinformation or arrogance/pride whatever it may be.
And as far as Judaism goes. No one ever criticizes judaism. They only criticize Israel and zionism. However certain Jews (such as ADL/Aipac/etc...) will cry anti-semetism when the crimes of Israel are put on the table. This is not being anti-jewish or anti-judaism.
Funny that no one ever criticizes judaism for the torah or worse yet talmud which basically compares any non-jew to an animal.
All these claims people make about Islam are in fact true for christianity and judaism. That's why I find it ironic that christians and jews will try to say of Islam what is in fact in their own religions and not islam.
I have never heard of anyone being subjected to the death penalty for naming a stuffed bear Yahweh.
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Through the times many wars were fought over religious and personal freedoms. And many governments were created to oversee the equality of it's citizens rights and freedoms.
Some wars have been fought for the sole purpose of creating a government that strips away all equality under the guise of "religion". They have mostly all failed or simply died out. With the exception of Islam. They actually won their war in historical times, and that's where the rub comes in. Rather than progressing themselves on a level along with the rest of world, they instead want to suppress and regress the rest of the world back to their level. They are still at "war" with those who think/look/act/believe/live different than they do.
If you look at the way they enslave and suppress their own people, you can imagine what they would like to do to everyone else. Of course, you can't have a logical conversation about something like this because they simply get belligerent and run down to the synagogue to hand fatwas left and right.
Thats not ISLAM! You're so full of hate bro! You make me sick you western imperialist pig and stop slandering the religion of PEACE! ;D
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Thats not ISLAM! You're so full of hate bro! You make me sick you western imperialist pig and stop slandering the religion of PEACE! ;D
You are right, I am sorry. Please let me apologize. Where will you be tomorrow? Will your family be there? A wedding perhaps?
*assembles bomb vest*
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Islam is an all-encompassing totalitarian ideology that consists of military and government oppression of the masses while masquerading itself as a religion.
Ahmed should stick to beating women who want to get educated or throwing acid in the faces of those who spurn his advances like an upstanding Mohammedan does.
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."
- Winston Churchill on Islam
Churchill made this comment roughly 120 years ago and not a damned thing has changed in that part of the world, which says a lot.
I know, I know, I'm an "islamophobe" like all Americans. Never mind the fact that in this country Jews are subject to more hate crimes than Muslims and Christians experience roughly the same number as them. Everyone's out to get them. ::)
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Islam is an all-encompassing totalitarian ideology that consists of military and government oppression of the masses while masquerading itself as a religion.
Ahmed should stick to beating women who want to get educated or throwing acid in the faces of those who spurn his advances like an upstanding Mohammedan does.
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."
- Winston Churchill on Islam
Churchill made this comment roughly 120 years ago and not a damned thing has changed in that part of the world, which says a lot.
I know, I know, I'm an "islamophobe" like all Americans. Never mind the fact that in this country Jews are subject to more hate crimes than Muslims and Christians experience roughly the same number as them. Everyone's out to get them. ::)
YOURE IGNORANT AND HATE MUSLIMS YOU STUPID BRAINWASHED AMERICAN DRONE!
ALLAH AKBAR!!! *Suicides self*
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YOURE IGNORANT AND HATE MUSLIMS YOU STUPID BRAINWASHED AMERICAN DRONE!
ALLAH AKBAR!!! *Suicides self*
Yeah, I know. Crusades, blah blah. ::)
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lol i guess you guys dont read much.
You know the funnier thing is how America is losing every civil liberty day by day, and you accuse muslims and islam of being oppressive and forceful.
What you deem as freedom is just lewdness, not actual freedom. You live in a prison society, where you are free to hardcore indulge into all whims and desires, whether material, or sexual yet in the end I bet you're all a buncha depressed mofos high on anti depressants. It's the sad reality but you will not realize it.
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By the way this devil worshipper that you basically praise for hating Islam much like yourself... guess how he met Lincoln? Naked
hahahha
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oooh yes the advanced civilization. The british. That once were mighty in colonizing others and oppressing and stealing. Oh yes that's the ones I will take my advice on Islam :)
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Oh this made me lol, just like today talking about 'democracy' while imposing dictatorships and tyranny on the masses of people:
"It is alarming and also nauseating to see Mr. Gandhi, a seditious middle temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half-naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organizing and conducting a defiant campaign of civil disobedience, to parley on equal terms with the representative of the king-emperor."
- Winston Churchill, 1930
For Gandhi, simplicity was the way of life. When the British invited Gandhi for peace talks, Gandhi saw no particular reason to change his attire, which was same as millions of his fellow countrymen. Gandhi met with Lord Irvin with the advantage of having won a moral victory. "I have caused a great deal for trouble for your government. But as men, we can set aside our differences for welfare of the nation" he said to the immaculately dressed viceroy, on occasion of which Churchill is said to have made his infamous comments.
Churchill, who considered himself a true democrat constantly opposed granting freedom to India. In more ways than one, Gandhi was a much greater democrat, especially in believing in self-determination of people and the universal equality of mankind. Churchill was to be irritated further. The following year, Gandhi met face to face with Churchill during the Indian round table conference -- "...I have an alternative that is unpleasant to you" he told Churchill and his clan of imperialists. " India demands complete liberty and freedom...the same liberty that Englishmen enjoy... and I want India to become a partner in the Empire. I want to partner with the English people ... not merely for mutual benefit, but so that the great weight that is crushing the world to atoms may be lifted from its shoulders".
Winston Churchill loathed Gandhi. Gandhi loathed none.
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By the way this devil worshipper that you basically praise for hating Islam much like yourself... guess how he met Lincoln? Naked
hahahha
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oooh yes the advanced civilization. The british. That once were mighty in colonizing others and oppressing and stealing. Oh yes that's the ones I will take my advice on Islam :)
They beat the shit out of your caliphate and then divided your people and lands up like chattel. Most Muslims are still butt-hurt over that and yearn for the return of their shitty caliphate. :D
Should ask yourself why most Muslim-majority countries are among the poorest and least developed in the world. Protip: It has a lot to do with the culture required for Islam to be dominant.
Oh this made me lol, just like today talking about 'democracy' while imposing dictatorships and tyranny on the masses of people:
That's what most Muslims do. Just look at Mali right now.
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And yes islam is a complete way of life encompassing everything including government, military, economics, etc... It is why western capitalists are afraid. As Islam brings the wealth to the masses. That is why a caliphate is out of the question for westerner politicians. The 1%ers as they were, would not want a religion that slaps them when they try to indulge in interest, credit, loans and debts of a society plunging itself to destruction. Just one point.
The thing you must understand, nonmuslims are not to be ruled by shari'ah in a caliphate, so to speak. If you have your beliefs that permit you or disallow you certain things you may do so and no one will attack you for them. However, to publicly endorse alcoholism for example of course that would not go in an islamic society. It would not be allowed publicly.
Historically Jews used to have Jewish courts by Jewish law although they had the choice to go to Muslim courts. Christians had christians courts that they used to go to but they also had the choice to go to Muslim courts. In reality and this is historical fact, they ended up prefering going to Muslim jduges for help rather than their own people.
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They beat the shit out of your caliphate and then divided your people and lands up like chattel. Most Muslims are still butt-hurt over that and yearn for the return of their shitty caliphate. :D
Should ask yourself why most Muslim-majority countries are among the poorest and least developed in the world. Protip: It has a lot to do with the culture required for Islam to be dominant.
That's what most Muslims do. Just look at Mali right now.
Hey its pretty hard to develop when you are constantly bombed by foreigners and have imposed dictatorships. LOL democracy what a joke. What you call democracy is, a government that is obedient to the west and does not serve the local population in belief or creed or well being.
It's funny but when Muslims try to defend themselves in their own countries they other get tortured by these dictators, or bombed by foreigners and when fighting back of course... terrorists :)
It's pretty amusing. Just like christians and jews who slander Islam. Accusing Islam of things which are not true but are in fact true of christian and jewish scripture and laws. Likewise you are proving that you proudly talk about the destruction of muslims, yet you call muslims the ones who are violent?
I guess damned if you do, damned if you don't sorta mentality going on here. You don't even know what you're hating. Your governments are raping you and leeching your wealth, your well being and civil liberties and yet you march forward talking about the destruction of muslims and islam because ... well you keep repeating rants about them evil mozzlems yet not citing a single proof that it is from islam if a single idiotic action is done by some people with muslim names.
Acid throwing is disgusting. Women beating is disgusting. If you didn't know the prophet (pbuh) was angry upon hearing of women beaters and said do you beat your women as animals and then with them? These things are not from islam but from these preislamic barbaric cultures. Again why is it you keep attacking and bashing islam and muslims for these idiotic actions (which are foreign of islam) why are you not bashing african christians or hindus of india who do this far more?
Of course you'll never bother to take the effort to explore about what islam says and instead just keep ranting and ranting about your preconceived notions of what you were told about islam and here i am, a muslim convert that has studied islam before becoming muslim trying to correct you or open your eyes in some things but you keep pushing :)
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Hey its pretty hard to develop when you are constantly bombed by foreigners and have imposed dictatorships. LOL democracy what a joke. What you call democracy is, a government that is obedient to the west and does not serve the local population in belief or creed or well being.
It's funny but when Muslims try to defend themselves in their own countries they other get tortured by these dictators, or bombed by foreigners and when fighting back of course... terrorists :)
The only thing you people respond to is violence and brutality. That's why you have zero functioning democracies in the Middle East, even in countries that are of no importance to us.
Democracy is completely incompatible with Islam.
What was the most embarrassing Muslim loss? Getting decimated by Charles the Hammer, having their caliphate carved into pieces by the west or losing to Israel 3x despite attacking them with 3/4 of the Muslim world?
Ask yourself why Japan and Germany were able to rebuild themselves into what they are today despite being destroyed on a level that nothing in the Middle East has approached?
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Well again you prove who's the one that's really evil.
You repeat yourself that you are the ones that destroy and 'decimate' as you put it so mildly. So how can you call muslims violent?
Then furthermore, you impose dictatorships and tyrannies. Military rulers that serve your interests. Look at Egypt. For thirty years people were oppressed and still are as the military still rules. The face of Mubarak just dissapeared but its the same garbage. The brotherhood candidates that were representative of the majority were annexed on technicallities and a weak candidate has been elected instead who again has no power over the west or military. Those other candidates were said to have 'criminal records'. Guess what their crime was? Being politically imprisoned by Mubarak! WHAT IRONY!
Democracy is what PEOPLE WANT. If people want ISLAM. They want Shari'ah. You can hate it all you want but if we muslims want it, we have every right to it. However it is 'not democracy' for you because then it does not go in your favour. You will not be stealing the wealth of the people, or controlling people tens of thousands of miles away.
It's hard to develop when the wealth of a nation is being stolen by dictators and it's pretty hard to develop when every ten some years western armies come to bomb.
The british and French made a pact to never allow an islamic caliphate or islamic knowledge/research/technolgy/science to thrive again during the 'big game'. There is a document signed which is of this agreement since the crusades for that matter this has been the goal.
So that's all it comes down to. The muslims are weak because they are entertained by hollywood and pass times. And when muslims try to stand up and oppose their governments the west is not going to allow it go further and interferes.
You WANT war, you are sick people. Muslims like any people want peace and justice. You cannot have peace without justice and there is no justice in these tyranical secular societies that the west crafted.
Besides who is it that comes with hundreds of thousands of troops from far far away to muslim lands?
You keep again pridefully boasting that you kill and destroy muslim people and lands. Yet again you ironically claim Muslims are the ones that are violent. You are such a demented hypocrite and ironical paradox
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Ali Hirsi exposed:
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Gunmen Kill 19 Christian Worshippers In Attack On Church In Nigeria
The Daily Telegraph|39 minutes ago|3|
At least 19 people have been killed after gunmen opened fire on worshippers in an evangelical Christian church in central Nigeria.
"The attack was from unknown gunmen at the Deeper Life Church," said Lt. Col. Gabriel Olorunyomi, head of the military's Joint Task Force (JTF) in Kogi state,
"They were doing their normal Monday evening service. When we went there we discovered the church had been attacked. Instantly we saw 15 people dead, including the pastor."
The military has since learned that an additional four people had died from their injuries.
There was no immediate claim of responsibility. The JTF commander said an investigation had been launched and that it was premature to speculate as to the culprits.
Islamist extremist group Boko Haram has claimed scores of attacks on churches in northern and central Nigeria in recent months as part of an insurgency that has killed hundreds.
The group has also attacked Muslim figures as well as a range of other targets, including the United Nations building in the capital Abuja.
A number of Boko Haram members are alleged to have come from Kogi state.
In mid-July, a bomb went off near another church in Okene, but caused no casualties.
Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan said in June that Boko Haram was seeking to incite a religious crisis by attacking churches in an attempt to destabilise the government.
Jonathan described how the group had moved from targeting local rivals to government institutions and now churches.
Nigeria, Africa's most populous nation and largest oil producer, is roughly divided between a mainly Muslim north and predominately Christian south.
In a video posted to YouTube on Saturday, the suspected leader of Boko Haram criticised Jonathan as well as US President Barack Obama over Washington's decision to label him a "global terrorist".
It was unclear when the video was made, but it marked the first time Abubakar Shekau publicly addressed the terrorist designation slapped on him by the United States in June.
In addition to Shekau, the US State Department also announced the designations for Abubakar Adam Kambar and Khalid al-Barnawi. Kambar and Barnawi were said to be linked to Boko Haram and al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), al-Qaeda's north African branch.
Members of Boko Haram are believed to have received training from AQIM in northern Mali, and Western countries have been watching closely for signs of further cooperation.
Some US lawmakers have been pushing Obama's administration to label Boko Haram as a whole a terrorist organisation, but American diplomats have stressed that the group remains domestically focused.
They also say deep poverty and a lack of infrastructure in Nigeria's north must be addressed as part of the solution to the violence.
Source: AFP
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/gunmen-kill-19-christian-worshippers-in-attack-on-church-in-nigeria-2012-8#ixzz22rPKwlFv
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lol, a person that is clueless about the political climate in nigeria is the last person i want to see posting about something like this.
Muslims AND christians kill each other back and forth in Nigeria. You should have posted articles of all the quran burnings and attacks on mosques and attacks on muslims by christians to get a better picture. Being one sided and saying one person or another attacked someone only is irresponsible. African culture is different to that of Ameircan culture. People are willing to fight to get their point across whether christian, atheist, muslim, jew, etc...
Like I mentioned earlier. African Christians commit honour killings. How come you dont talk about that?
For example:
Christian-Muslim violence in Nigeria warrants probe, rights group says
NIGERIA
January 23, 2010
Nigerians flee the city of Kuru Karama on Thursday after religious violence reportedly killed 150 Muslims.
Reports of at least 150 Muslims killed in recent religious clashes in Nigeria should be investigated, a human rights group urged Saturday.
Witnesses told Human Rights Watch that armed men attacked Kuru Karama in central Nigeria on Tuesday, "killing many as they tried to flee and burning many others alive," the international organization said Saturday.
The assailants targeted Muslims, reportedly killing at least 150, Human Rights Watch said.
Community leaders from Jos, a city about 19 miles north of Kuru Karama, and journalists told the organization that later in the week they saw dozens of bodies lodged in wells or sewage pits. The bodies of 121 people, including 22 children, had been recovered, the organization said. Most of the homes in the town were burned down, along with three mosques, the group said.
Those interviewed by the group said they thought the attackers were Christian, Human Rights Watch said. But even Christians were not spared. When a Christian pastor tried to stop the attacks he was beaten, a Muslim imam told the group.
Human Rights Watch called on Vice President Goodluck Jonathan to open a criminal investigation into the deaths based on the reports the groups said were credible.
Officials are still tallying death figures in the latest round of violence, said H.A. Angulu, director of public communications for the Ministry of Information and Communications.
"Yes [the clashes] occurred, but I cannot confirm any numbers," he told CNN. "At this time the government is still compiling figures of those people affected and of those displaced in Jos. They are accounting for the deceased and missing. At this time I cannot confirm the number of dead."
Earlier this week, dozens were reportedly killed in clashes in Jos. Angulu did not specifically address the reports about Kuru Karama.
On Thursday, Jonathan declared in a televised address that the attackers in the state of Plateau would be held accountable, according to Human Rights Watch.
Police were called to end the attacks, but they did not, the group reported witnesses as saying.
Hundreds have died in clashes between Christians and Muslims in central Plateau state in the past decade.
The most populous country in Africa, with a population of more than 150 million, Nigeria is almost evenly divided between Muslims and Christians.
With more than 78 million Muslims, it has the sixth largest Islamic population in the world, according to a study last year by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.
A curfew was imposed Tuesday -- the same day as the reported attack in Kuru Karama -- in Jos after violence flared up there following unrest on Sunday. A local activist said 69 people had been killed and about 600 injured in the most recent outbreak. Thousands more were displaced, seeking shelter in military and police headquarters, said Sani Shehu of the Civil Rights Congress in Jos.
There was no independent confirmation of Shehu's figures.
It is unclear what sparked the latest violence.
In November 2008, at least 700 Nigerians died in Christian-Muslim riots that followed a disputed local election, Human Rights Watch reported.
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-01-23/world/nigeria.massacre.probe_1_rights-group-human-rights-watch-nigeria?_s=PM:WORLD
And to make things worse. Certain christian leaders instigate lies back and forth to create violence to cause Muslims to attack Christians or Christians to attack Muslims. Rumour spreading. So it's a far more ocmplica
Anyways:
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this has got to be a samsonjag gimmick.
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this has got to be a samsonjag gimmick.
Has to be a gimmick.
Besides, I think we all know Muslims are evil and wrong. ;D
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The vast majority of today's armed conflicts around the world derive from lunatic Muslims attempting to implement Sharia law on a populace that does not want it. From the 9/11 terrorist attacks to the Sudanese Civil War to Filipino Abu Sayef seperatists to London train bombers, Islamists are the greatest roadblock to peace and prosperity today. Wherever Islam thrives, abuse of women, corruption, poverty, ignorance, slavery, and dictators follow in its wake. Israel has more UN resolutions against it than any other nation...more than Cuba, North Korea, and Iran. How many scientific advances and contributions to humanity come out of Islamic nations? The answer: None.
What is perhaps even more criminalistic is the ultra-tolerant support of Islam by predominantly white and Jewish liberals in the West. This is one reason why I cannot wait to see the Islamification of Europe so those pussy liberals can hang from street lamps while their women are raped and beaten in the streets.....maybe a hard wakeup call is needed so Europe will stop importing millions of uneducated, unwashed, filthy Muslim apes into their nation.
This is not a knock on Semitic peoples. Arabs were the most advanced civilization on earth, forming the basis of popular language and mathematics that are in heavy use today. Arabs were building magnificent structures while Europeans were living in cold mudflaps. The Moorish invasion Spain brought about a modernization in Spain never seen in the European continent until then (the Moors were NOT Muslim...Islam was barely a generation old and had yet taken a firm hold on the Arab people). When Islam got a firm grip on the people and nations that adhered to it, they suffered a steep decline that has been in perpetuity for hundreds of years.
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The vast majority of today's armed conflicts around the world derive from lunatic Muslims attempting to implement Sharia law on a populace that does not want it. From the 9/11 terrorist attacks to the Sudanese Civil War to Filipino Abu Sayef seperatists to London train bombers, Islamists are the greatest roadblock to peace and prosperity today. Wherever Islam thrives, abuse of women, corruption, poverty, ignorance, slavery, and dictators follow in its wake. Israel has more UN resolutions against it than any other nation...more than Cuba, North Korea, and Iran. How many scientific advances and contributions to humanity come out of Islamic nations? The answer: None.
What is perhaps even more criminalistic is the ultra-tolerant support of Islam by predominantly white and Jewish liberals in the West. This is one reason why I cannot wait to see the Islamification of Europe so those pussy liberals can hang from street lamps while their women are raped and beaten in the streets.....maybe a hard wakeup call is needed so Europe will stop importing millions of uneducated, unwashed, filthy Muslim apes into their nation.
This is not a knock on Semitic peoples. Arabs were the most advanced civilization on earth, forming the basis of popular language and mathematics that are in heavy use today. Arabs were building magnificent structures while Europeans were living in cold mudflaps. The Moorish invasion Spain brought about a modernization in Spain never seen in the European continent until then (the Moors were NOT Muslim...Islam was barely a generation old and had yet taken a firm hold on the Arab people). When Islam got a firm grip on the people and nations that adhered to it, they suffered a steep decline that has been in perpetuity for hundreds of years.
Solid post.
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I don't know which planet you guys live on ::) but the vast majority of conflicts around the world involves the united states, great britain and france and all their 'partners' and allies that were once the same colonizer of the past.
Islam and muslims have just become the target as Islam is a 'threat' to the western grip on the world's wealth. All the corruption that is rampant in the west would be untangled by Islam. These 1%ers fear Islam for that very reason. It is the only way of life that can stand up to the treachery of absolute capitalism. Islam is neither socialism/communism nor capitalism. It is a blend of the best so that people can attain peace in their lives and justice. Not something that can be seen in western countries or in 'muslim' countries with imposed secular dictators and military rulers.
Whether by proxy or directly. There have been invasions and bombings of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and more. And these very same people are hopeful to start further bloodshed in Syria and Iran.
There's of course AFRICOM. Most people are not aware of the united states involvement in Africa. Arming gangs and thugs and directing conflicts swaying them in america's favours.
You are nothing but a bunch of delusional hypocrites :)
Americans are 'heroes' for 'liberating' and bringing 'democracy' (LMAO) while the people being invaded are CLEARLY terrorists for fighting back mmhmm.
In a nutshell The united states and its 'allies' have caused a million deaths in the last ten years. Are you frickin kidding me who is the most responsible for the vast majority of deaths?... seriously.. get off your pedestal and get back down to earth to reality
Also you are saying moors were not muslims? Moors was a term EUROPEANS dubbed the muslims of africa. Muslims modernized al-andalus. But later hypocrite muslims alongside christians destroyed Spain and in 1492 january if i recall the downfall happened and muslims and jews were executed or forcefully converted to christianity. Later that year muslim slaves set sail on Colombus ship in the same year mid year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors
And I lived with Berbers as a christian.
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Look the beautiful artwork of the civilized europeans:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Santiago_matamores.jpg/415px-Santiago_matamores.jpg)
Santiago Matamoros ("Saint James the Moor-slayer"). St. James is on horseback and a beheaded Moor lies on the ground, by the 15th-century Flemish-Spanish painter Juan de Flandes.
Nothing has changed. The once crusader nations just modernized with new equipment, otherwise your style, treachery, deceit, lies are the same. And I am european. I am ashamed to be european when I think of all this.
There's this whole George Orwellian new-speak. Everything is OPPOSITE. Whatever you claim of Muslims in fact you are DOING or have done or plan to do. It's sickening. And the reason you continue to perpetrate this is through the power of media. You have billions invested in slandering islam and muslims with lies and deceptions.
But this war of hearts and minds will not sway towards liars. The truth prevails over falsehood ultimately. You're fighting a losing war and hating a people that are not your enemy. You want to know who your enemy is? Bankers. Zionist lobbies. Other political corporate lobbies. Those are your enemies and their puppet actor politicians.
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I don't know which planet you guys live on ::) but the vast majority of conflicts around the world involves the united states, great britain and france and all their 'partners' and allies that were once the same colonizer of the past.
Islam and muslims have just become the target as Islam is a 'threat' to the western grip on the world's wealth. All the corruption that is rampant in the west would be untangled by Islam. These 1%ers fear Islam for that very reason. It is the only way of life that can stand up to the treachery of absolute capitalism. Islam is neither socialism/communism nor capitalism. It is a blend of the best so that people can attain peace in their lives and justice. Not something that can be seen in western countries or in 'muslim' countries with imposed secular dictators and military rulers.
Whether by proxy or directly. There have been invasions and bombings of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and more. And these very same people are hopeful to start further bloodshed in Syria and Iran.
There's of course AFRICOM. Most people are not aware of the united states involvement in Africa. Arming gangs and thugs and directing conflicts swaying them in america's favours.
You are nothing but a bunch of delusional hypocrites :)
Americans are 'heroes' for 'liberating' and bringing 'democracy' (LMAO) while the people being invaded are CLEARLY terrorists for fighting back mmhmm.
In a nutshell The united states and its 'allies' have caused a million deaths in the last ten years. Are you frickin kidding me who is the most responsible for the vast majority of deaths?... seriously.. get off your pedestal and get back down to earth to reality
Also you are saying moors were not muslims? Moors was a term EUROPEANS dubbed the muslims of africa. Muslims modernized al-andalus. But later hypocrite muslims alongside christians destroyed Spain and in 1492 january if i recall the downfall happened and muslims and jews were executed or forcefully converted to christianity. Later that year muslim slaves set sail on Colombus ship in the same year mid year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors
And I lived with Berbers as a christian.
Too long didnt read, dont care anyway.
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You'll care on the day of judgement when you face God. No tyrant will be a tyrant on that day.
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You'll care on the day of judgement when you face God. No tyrant will be a tyrant on that day.
now this is getting funny. This is either samsonjag being serious or George maybe Fury having a good laugh lol...
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You'll care on the day of judgement when you face God. No tyrant will be a tyrant on that day.
Too long didnt read, dont care anyway.
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Too long didnt read, dont care anyway.
lol
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We don't want to read his long posts which are garbage so instead he posts a 55 minute video lol
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Education... you lack one. Reading helps the brain. Throwing out hearsay claims about Islam = ignorant.
A muslim coming to tell you what islam actually says + you not wanting to listen and continue spreading hearsay hatred = mind blown.
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Too long didn't watch, don't care anyways.
Seriously dude, we don't care.
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You don't care? Yet you keep slandering Islam and Muslims? You don't care, yet you are encouraging the destruction of Islam and Muslims? Does it not show that you are an idiot?
Watch that video it talks about ALL the fighting verses in the qur'an. It's explained quite well. Since you keep talking about islam being violent then why do you not want to hear what the quran ACTUALLY says? What the bible actually says? The irony in it all?
I dare you to watch it and get educated. I dare you.
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You don't care? Yet you keep slandering Islam and Muslims? You don't care, yet you are encouraging the destruction of Islam and Muslims? Does it not show that you are an idiot?
Watch that video it talks about ALL the fighting verses in the qur'an. It's explained quite well. Since you keep talking about islam being violent then why do you not want to hear what the quran ACTUALLY says? What the bible actually says? The irony in it all?
I dare you to watch it and get educated. I dare you.
Too long didn't read, don't care anyway.
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Taqiyya - why should anyone is not a Muslim believe anything you say?
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Education... you lack one. Reading helps the brain. Throwing out hearsay claims about Islam = ignorant.
A muslim coming to tell you what islam actually says + you not wanting to listen and continue spreading hearsay hatred = mind blown.
wait a second buddy. It's because you don't want to even admit what is wrong with Islam. Since that's the case, the only thing you are doing here is propaganda. either that or you're a gimmick. If you want to have a serious conversation you can't just come in and claim all the claims against Islam are BS or worse just try to justify it... We know for a fact much of the shit about your religion is true and clearly fucked up. So don't cry that we don't want to listen, you brought that on.
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I asked for evidence for your claims from the quran. When I present the opposite and present what the quran actually says you guys ridicule.
It shows that you are angry haters who don't have a clue and when offered to learn say they dont care, they dont wana read, they dont wana watch or hear.
Pretty amusing :)
You don't have a clue what you're talking about. I wrote enough in this thread to demonstrate it.
Not to mention the people you even use to 'prove your point' are liars and frauds like ali hirsi.
People who just hate islam and have an agenda YET don't have a frickin clue what they are talking about and just repeating hear say hate.
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Taqiyya - why should anyone is not a Muslim believe anything you say?
That is a shi'a concept not a concept of Islam. Shiism is an offshoot religion, it is not islam. What they believe and do goes contrary to the fundamental teachings of islam. And one of the reasons they 'taqiyya' (lie), is to cover up their construed and corrupted beliefs. One of them being how they curse and slander the companions of the prophet
Our job is to present our religion as it is. Not lie about it. The message is for all mankind. The qur'an is revealed for all mankind not for just arabs.
If people lied to me about islam, I would have not become Muslim. I read and listened. Then made conclusions.
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That is a shi'a concept not a concept of Islam. Shiism is an offshoot religion, it is not islam. What they believe and do goes contrary to the fundamental teachings of islam. And one of the reasons they 'taqiyya' (lie), is to cover up their construed and corrupted beliefs. One of them being how they curse and slander the companions of the prophet
Our job is to present our religion as it is. Not lie about it. The message is for all mankind. The qur'an is revealed for all mankind not for just arabs.
If people lied to me about islam, I would have not become Muslim. I read and listened. Then made conclusions.
Taqiyya - Kitman is what it is, to deceive/defeat the no believer by outright lying or by omission. Sorry everything you type/say is suspect
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You see that's really idiotic. You canot have a discussion with such stupidity claims. I just told you that this is a concept of shiism. Not a concept of Islam.
A believer cannot lie. The only concept of permissibility in lying in Islam is if your life is in danger. That you say something to avoid death and white lies such as telling your wife unrealistic things such as you are my soul when literally she is not your soul but it is out of love to exagerate or another concept, to make peace between two brothers, to say hey i heard your brother say *insert something good* and vice versa to the other.
We do not conceal what we believe. Shias do because again as I said their corrupted beliefs that contradict islam. They literally pray to dead people and ask of them supplications. This is shirk/partnership/idolatry in islam. They lie about these kinds of beliefs and practices. Their practices if you see them look frickin pagan even. Crawling towards graves, crying to dead people. Wth? This is not islam... and they try to lie to other muslims that they don't do such a things.
Islam is not about secrecy its about delivering the message and upholding the truth.
The fact that I openly talk about what you even dislike such as punishments for adultery, theft, etc.. I have nothing to hide, I will say it as it is. Lying only begets lying.
Truth stands out clear from Error (Qur'an 2:256)
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You see that's really idiotic. You canot have a discussion with such stupidity claims. I just told you that this is a concept of shiism. Not a concept of Islam.
A believer cannot lie. The only concept of permissibility in lying in Islam is if your life is in danger. That you say something to avoid death and white lies such as telling your wife unrealistic things such as you are my soul when literally she is not your soul but it is out of love to exagerate or another concept, to make peace between two brothers, to say hey i heard your brother say *insert something good* and vice versa to the other.
We do not conceal what we believe. Shias do because again as I said their corrupted beliefs that contradict islam. They literally pray to dead people and ask of them supplications. This is shirk/partnership/idolatry in islam. They lie about these kinds of beliefs and practices. Their practices if you see them look frickin pagan even. Crawling towards graves, crying to dead people. Wth? This is not islam... and they try to lie to other muslims that they don't do such a things.
Islam is not about secrecy its about delivering the message and upholding the truth.
The fact that I openly talk about what you even dislike such as punishments for adultery, theft, etc.. I have nothing to hide, I will say it as it is. Lying only begets lying.
Truth stands out clear from Error (Qur'an 2:256)
No one here cares about your shitty, fucked up religion.
Do us all a favor, and fuck off please.
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Your weakness in intellect and hatred speaks volumes.
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Your weakness in intellect and hatred speaks volumes.
No one here cares about your shitty, fucked up religion.
Do us all a favor, and fuck off please.
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The civilized america building the future of death through future death machine weaponry to kill and kill and kill while having no blood stains tens thousands of miles away:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19169023