Islam a religion of peace? You decide.

[a_ahmed]

Well again you prove who's the one that's really evil.

You repeat yourself that you are the ones that destroy and 'decimate' as you put it so mildly. So how can you call muslims violent?

Then furthermore, you impose dictatorships and tyrannies. Military rulers that serve your interests. Look at Egypt. For thirty years people were oppressed and still are as the military still rules. The face of Mubarak just dissapeared but its the same garbage. The brotherhood candidates that were representative of the majority were annexed on technicallities and a weak candidate has been elected instead who again has no power over the west or military. Those other candidates were said to have 'criminal records'. Guess what their crime was? Being politically imprisoned by Mubarak! WHAT IRONY!

Democracy is what PEOPLE WANT. If people want ISLAM. They want Shari'ah. You can hate it all you want but if we muslims want it, we have every right to it. However it is 'not democracy' for you because then it does not go in your favour. You will not be stealing the wealth of the people, or controlling people tens of thousands of miles away.

It's hard to develop when the wealth of a nation is being stolen by dictators and it's pretty hard to develop when every ten some years western armies come to bomb.

The british and French made a pact to never allow an islamic caliphate or islamic knowledge/research/technolgy/science to thrive again during the 'big game'. There is a document signed which is of this agreement since the crusades for that matter this has been the goal.

So that's all it comes down to. The muslims are weak because they are entertained by hollywood and pass times. And when muslims try to stand up and oppose their governments the west is not going to allow it go further and interferes.

You WANT war, you are sick people. Muslims like any people want peace and justice. You cannot have peace without justice and there is no justice in these tyranical secular societies that the west crafted.

Besides who is it that comes with hundreds of thousands of troops from far far away to muslim lands?

You keep again pridefully boasting that you kill and destroy muslim people and lands. Yet again you ironically claim Muslims are the ones that are violent. You are such a demented hypocrite and ironical paradox

[a_ahmed]

Ali Hirsi exposed:

[Soul Crusher]

Gunmen Kill 19 Christian Worshippers In Attack On Church In Nigeria
The Daily Telegraph|39 minutes ago|3|
 

 
At least 19 people have been killed after gunmen opened fire on worshippers in an evangelical Christian church in central Nigeria.
 
"The attack was from unknown gunmen at the Deeper Life Church," said Lt. Col. Gabriel Olorunyomi, head of the military's Joint Task Force (JTF) in Kogi state,
 
"They were doing their normal Monday evening service. When we went there we discovered the church had been attacked. Instantly we saw 15 people dead, including the pastor."
 
The military has since learned that an additional four people had died from their injuries.
 
There was no immediate claim of responsibility. The JTF commander said an investigation had been launched and that it was premature to speculate as to the culprits.
 
Islamist extremist group Boko Haram has claimed scores of attacks on churches in northern and central Nigeria in recent months as part of an insurgency that has killed hundreds.
 
The group has also attacked Muslim figures as well as a range of other targets, including the United Nations building in the capital Abuja.
 
A number of Boko Haram members are alleged to have come from Kogi state.
 
In mid-July, a bomb went off near another church in Okene, but caused no casualties.
 
Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan said in June that Boko Haram was seeking to incite a religious crisis by attacking churches in an attempt to destabilise the government.
 
Jonathan described how the group had moved from targeting local rivals to government institutions and now churches.
 
Nigeria, Africa's most populous nation and largest oil producer, is roughly divided between a mainly Muslim north and predominately Christian south.
 
In a video posted to YouTube on Saturday, the suspected leader of Boko Haram criticised Jonathan as well as US President Barack Obama over Washington's decision to label him a "global terrorist".
 
It was unclear when the video was made, but it marked the first time Abubakar Shekau publicly addressed the terrorist designation slapped on him by the United States in June.
 
In addition to Shekau, the US State Department also announced the designations for Abubakar Adam Kambar and Khalid al-Barnawi. Kambar and Barnawi were said to be linked to Boko Haram and al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), al-Qaeda's north African branch.
 
Members of Boko Haram are believed to have received training from AQIM in northern Mali, and Western countries have been watching closely for signs of further cooperation.
 
Some US lawmakers have been pushing Obama's administration to label Boko Haram as a whole a terrorist organisation, but American diplomats have stressed that the group remains domestically focused.
 
They also say deep poverty and a lack of infrastructure in Nigeria's north must be addressed as part of the solution to the violence.
 
Source: AFP


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/gunmen-kill-19-christian-worshippers-in-attack-on-church-in-nigeria-2012-8#ixzz22rPKwlFv

[a_ahmed]

lol, a person that is clueless about the political climate in nigeria is the last person i want to see posting about something like this.

Muslims AND christians kill each other back and forth in Nigeria. You should have posted articles of all the quran burnings and attacks on mosques and attacks on muslims by christians to get a better picture. Being one sided and saying one person or another attacked someone only is irresponsible. African culture is different to that of Ameircan culture. People are willing to fight to get their point across whether christian, atheist, muslim, jew, etc...

Like I mentioned earlier. African Christians commit honour killings. How come you dont talk about that?

For example:

Christian-Muslim violence in Nigeria warrants probe, rights group says
NIGERIA
 
 
January 23, 2010


Nigerians flee the city of Kuru Karama on Thursday after religious violence reportedly killed 150 Muslims.
Reports of at least 150 Muslims killed in recent religious clashes in Nigeria should be investigated, a human rights group urged Saturday.

Witnesses told Human Rights Watch that armed men attacked Kuru Karama in central Nigeria on Tuesday, "killing many as they tried to flee and burning many others alive," the international organization said Saturday.

The assailants targeted Muslims, reportedly killing at least 150, Human Rights Watch said.

Community leaders from Jos, a city about 19 miles north of Kuru Karama, and journalists told the organization that later in the week they saw dozens of bodies lodged in wells or sewage pits. The bodies of 121 people, including 22 children, had been recovered, the organization said. Most of the homes in the town were burned down, along with three mosques, the group said.




Those interviewed by the group said they thought the attackers were Christian, Human Rights Watch said. But even Christians were not spared. When a Christian pastor tried to stop the attacks he was beaten, a Muslim imam told the group.

Human Rights Watch called on Vice President Goodluck Jonathan to open a criminal investigation into the deaths based on the reports the groups said were credible.

Officials are still tallying death figures in the latest round of violence, said H.A. Angulu, director of public communications for the Ministry of Information and Communications.

"Yes [the clashes] occurred, but I cannot confirm any numbers," he told CNN. "At this time the government is still compiling figures of those people affected and of those displaced in Jos. They are accounting for the deceased and missing. At this time I cannot confirm the number of dead."

Earlier this week, dozens were reportedly killed in clashes in Jos. Angulu did not specifically address the reports about Kuru Karama.

On Thursday, Jonathan declared in a televised address that the attackers in the state of Plateau would be held accountable, according to Human Rights Watch.

Police were called to end the attacks, but they did not, the group reported witnesses as saying.

Hundreds have died in clashes between Christians and Muslims in central Plateau state in the past decade.

The most populous country in Africa, with a population of more than 150 million, Nigeria is almost evenly divided between Muslims and Christians.

With more than 78 million Muslims, it has the sixth largest Islamic population in the world, according to a study last year by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.

A curfew was imposed Tuesday -- the same day as the reported attack in Kuru Karama -- in Jos after violence flared up there following unrest on Sunday. A local activist said 69 people had been killed and about 600 injured in the most recent outbreak. Thousands more were displaced, seeking shelter in military and police headquarters, said Sani Shehu of the Civil Rights Congress in Jos.

There was no independent confirmation of Shehu's figures.

It is unclear what sparked the latest violence.

In November 2008, at least 700 Nigerians died in Christian-Muslim riots that followed a disputed local election, Human Rights Watch reported.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-01-23/world/nigeria.massacre.probe_1_rights-group-human-rights-watch-nigeria?_s=PM:WORLD

And to make things worse. Certain christian leaders instigate lies back and forth to create violence to cause Muslims to attack Christians or Christians to attack Muslims. Rumour spreading. So it's a far more ocmplica

Anyways:

[a_ahmed]

[Hugo Chavez]

this has got to be a samsonjag gimmick.

[Shockwave]

this has got to be a samsonjag gimmick.

Has to be a gimmick.
Besides, I think we all know Muslims are evil and wrong. 

[JBGRAY]

The vast majority of today's armed conflicts around the world derive from lunatic Muslims attempting to implement Sharia law on a populace that does not want it.  From the 9/11 terrorist attacks to the Sudanese Civil War to Filipino Abu Sayef seperatists to London train bombers, Islamists are the greatest roadblock to peace and prosperity today.  Wherever Islam thrives, abuse of women, corruption, poverty, ignorance, slavery, and dictators follow in its wake.  Israel has more UN resolutions against it than any other nation...more than Cuba, North Korea, and Iran.  How many scientific advances and contributions to humanity come out of Islamic nations?  The answer:  None.

What is perhaps even more criminalistic is the ultra-tolerant support of Islam by predominantly white and Jewish liberals in the West.  This is one reason why I cannot wait to see the Islamification of Europe so those pussy liberals can hang from street lamps while their women are raped and beaten in the streets.....maybe a hard wakeup call is needed so Europe will stop importing millions of uneducated, unwashed, filthy Muslim apes into their nation.

This is not a knock on Semitic peoples.  Arabs were the most advanced civilization on earth, forming the basis of popular language and mathematics that are in heavy use today.  Arabs were building magnificent structures while Europeans were living in cold mudflaps.  The Moorish invasion Spain brought about a modernization in Spain never seen in the European continent until then (the Moors were NOT Muslim...Islam was barely a generation old and had yet taken a firm hold on the Arab people).  When Islam got a firm grip on the people and nations that adhered to it, they suffered a steep decline that has been in perpetuity for hundreds of years.

[Shockwave]

The vast majority of today's armed conflicts around the world derive from lunatic Muslims attempting to implement Sharia law on a populace that does not want it.  From the 9/11 terrorist attacks to the Sudanese Civil War to Filipino Abu Sayef seperatists to London train bombers, Islamists are the greatest roadblock to peace and prosperity today.  Wherever Islam thrives, abuse of women, corruption, poverty, ignorance, slavery, and dictators follow in its wake.  Israel has more UN resolutions against it than any other nation...more than Cuba, North Korea, and Iran.  How many scientific advances and contributions to humanity come out of Islamic nations?  The answer:  None.

What is perhaps even more criminalistic is the ultra-tolerant support of Islam by predominantly white and Jewish liberals in the West.  This is one reason why I cannot wait to see the Islamification of Europe so those pussy liberals can hang from street lamps while their women are raped and beaten in the streets.....maybe a hard wakeup call is needed so Europe will stop importing millions of uneducated, unwashed, filthy Muslim apes into their nation.

This is not a knock on Semitic peoples.  Arabs were the most advanced civilization on earth, forming the basis of popular language and mathematics that are in heavy use today.  Arabs were building magnificent structures while Europeans were living in cold mudflaps.  The Moorish invasion Spain brought about a modernization in Spain never seen in the European continent until then (the Moors were NOT Muslim...Islam was barely a generation old and had yet taken a firm hold on the Arab people).  When Islam got a firm grip on the people and nations that adhered to it, they suffered a steep decline that has been in perpetuity for hundreds of years.

Solid post.

[a_ahmed]

I don't know which planet you guys live on   but the vast majority of conflicts around the world involves the united states, great britain and france and all their 'partners' and allies that were once the same colonizer of the past.

Islam and muslims have just become the target as Islam is a 'threat' to the western grip on the world's wealth. All the corruption that is rampant in the west would be untangled by Islam. These 1%ers fear Islam for that very reason. It is the only way of life that can stand up to the treachery of absolute capitalism. Islam is neither socialism/communism nor capitalism. It is a blend of the best so that people can attain peace in their lives and justice. Not something that can be seen in western countries or in 'muslim' countries with imposed secular dictators and military rulers.

Whether by proxy or directly. There have been invasions and bombings of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and more. And these very same people are hopeful to start further bloodshed in Syria and Iran.

There's of course AFRICOM. Most people are not aware of the united states involvement in Africa. Arming gangs and thugs and directing conflicts swaying them in america's favours.

You are nothing but a bunch of delusional hypocrites

Americans are 'heroes' for 'liberating' and bringing 'democracy' (LMAO) while the people being invaded are CLEARLY terrorists for fighting back mmhmm.


In a nutshell The united states and its 'allies' have caused a million deaths in the last ten years. Are you frickin kidding me who is the most responsible for the vast majority of deaths?... seriously.. get off your pedestal and get back down to earth to reality

Also you are saying moors were not muslims? Moors was a term EUROPEANS dubbed the muslims of africa. Muslims modernized al-andalus. But later hypocrite muslims alongside christians destroyed Spain and in 1492 january if i recall the downfall happened and muslims and jews were executed or forcefully converted to christianity. Later that year muslim slaves set sail on Colombus ship in the same year mid year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors

And I lived with Berbers as a christian.

[a_ahmed]

Look the beautiful artwork of the civilized europeans:



Santiago Matamoros ("Saint James the Moor-slayer"). St. James is on horseback and a beheaded Moor lies on the ground, by the 15th-century Flemish-Spanish painter Juan de Flandes.

Nothing has changed. The once crusader nations just modernized with new equipment, otherwise your style, treachery, deceit, lies are the same. And I am european. I am ashamed to be european when I think of all this.

There's this whole George Orwellian new-speak. Everything is OPPOSITE. Whatever you claim of Muslims in fact you are DOING or have done or plan to do. It's sickening. And the reason you continue to perpetrate this is through the power of media. You have billions invested in slandering islam and muslims with lies and deceptions.

But this war of hearts and minds will not sway towards liars. The truth prevails over falsehood ultimately. You're fighting a losing war and hating a people that are not your enemy. You want to know who your enemy is? Bankers. Zionist lobbies. Other political corporate lobbies. Those are your enemies and their puppet actor politicians.

[Shockwave]

I don't know which planet you guys live on   but the vast majority of conflicts around the world involves the united states, great britain and france and all their 'partners' and allies that were once the same colonizer of the past.

Islam and muslims have just become the target as Islam is a 'threat' to the western grip on the world's wealth. All the corruption that is rampant in the west would be untangled by Islam. These 1%ers fear Islam for that very reason. It is the only way of life that can stand up to the treachery of absolute capitalism. Islam is neither socialism/communism nor capitalism. It is a blend of the best so that people can attain peace in their lives and justice. Not something that can be seen in western countries or in 'muslim' countries with imposed secular dictators and military rulers.

Whether by proxy or directly. There have been invasions and bombings of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and more. And these very same people are hopeful to start further bloodshed in Syria and Iran.

There's of course AFRICOM. Most people are not aware of the united states involvement in Africa. Arming gangs and thugs and directing conflicts swaying them in america's favours.

You are nothing but a bunch of delusional hypocrites

Americans are 'heroes' for 'liberating' and bringing 'democracy' (LMAO) while the people being invaded are CLEARLY terrorists for fighting back mmhmm.


In a nutshell The united states and its 'allies' have caused a million deaths in the last ten years. Are you frickin kidding me who is the most responsible for the vast majority of deaths?... seriously.. get off your pedestal and get back down to earth to reality

Also you are saying moors were not muslims? Moors was a term EUROPEANS dubbed the muslims of africa. Muslims modernized al-andalus. But later hypocrite muslims alongside christians destroyed Spain and in 1492 january if i recall the downfall happened and muslims and jews were executed or forcefully converted to christianity. Later that year muslim slaves set sail on Colombus ship in the same year mid year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors

And I lived with Berbers as a christian.

Too long didnt read, dont care anyway.

[a_ahmed]

You'll care on the day of judgement when you face God. No tyrant will be a tyrant on that day.

[Hugo Chavez]

You'll care on the day of judgement when you face God. No tyrant will be a tyrant on that day.

now this is getting funny.  This is either samsonjag being serious or George maybe Fury having a good laugh lol...

[Shockwave]

You'll care on the day of judgement when you face God. No tyrant will be a tyrant on that day.

Too long didnt read, dont care anyway.

[Hugo Chavez]

Too long didnt read, dont care anyway.

lol

[a_ahmed]

[Hugo Chavez]

We don't want to read his long posts which are garbage so instead he posts a 55 minute video lol

[a_ahmed]

Education... you lack one. Reading helps the brain. Throwing out hearsay claims about Islam = ignorant.

A muslim coming to tell you what islam actually says + you not wanting to listen and continue spreading hearsay hatred = mind blown.

[Shockwave]

Too long didn't watch, don't care anyways.

Seriously dude, we don't care.

[a_ahmed]

You don't care? Yet you keep slandering Islam and Muslims? You don't care, yet you are encouraging the destruction of Islam and Muslims? Does it not show that you are an idiot?

Watch that video it talks about ALL the fighting verses in the qur'an. It's explained quite well. Since you keep talking about islam being violent then why do you not want to hear what the quran ACTUALLY says? What the bible actually says? The irony in it all?

I dare you to watch it and get educated. I dare you.

[Shockwave]

You don't care? Yet you keep slandering Islam and Muslims? You don't care, yet you are encouraging the destruction of Islam and Muslims? Does it not show that you are an idiot?

Watch that video it talks about ALL the fighting verses in the qur'an. It's explained quite well. Since you keep talking about islam being violent then why do you not want to hear what the quran ACTUALLY says? What the bible actually says? The irony in it all?

I dare you to watch it and get educated. I dare you.

Too long didn't read, don't care anyway.

[Kazan]

Taqiyya - why should anyone is not a Muslim believe anything you say?

[Hugo Chavez]

Education... you lack one. Reading helps the brain. Throwing out hearsay claims about Islam = ignorant.

A muslim coming to tell you what islam actually says + you not wanting to listen and continue spreading hearsay hatred = mind blown.

wait a second buddy.  It's because you don't want to even admit what is wrong with Islam.  Since that's the case, the only thing you are doing here is propaganda.  either that or you're a gimmick.  If you want to have a serious conversation you can't just come in and claim all the claims against Islam are BS or worse just try to justify it... We know for a fact much of the shit about your religion is true and clearly fucked up.  So don't cry that we don't want to listen, you brought that on.

[a_ahmed]

I asked for evidence for your claims from the quran. When I present the opposite and present what the quran actually says you guys ridicule.

It shows that you are angry haters who don't have a clue and when offered to learn say they dont care, they dont wana read, they dont wana watch or hear.

Pretty amusing

You don't have a clue what you're talking about. I wrote enough in this thread to demonstrate it.

Not to mention the people you even use to 'prove your point' are liars and frauds like ali hirsi.

People who just hate islam and have an agenda YET don't have a frickin clue what they are talking about and just repeating hear say hate.