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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2012, 09:16:20 PM »
FYI

This is a spineless, gutless, mindless, whiny, liberal NYC audience.

The results are quite surprising.

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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2012, 09:34:08 PM »
first thing in the vid, lol "Islam is Peace" Says President Bush


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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2012, 01:42:57 AM »
what a liar.

The qur'an does not have 'violent verses' like the bible, it has verses refering to fighting.

Secondly he says all verses of peace are followed up by verses of violence. LOL... it proves me this guy did not read the Qur'an. All verses which speak of fighting (which have context too btw), are followed up by peaceful verses. Always advocating to accept peace, to work towards peace, to seize fighting, make truce at least, etc...

Unlike the bible which literally says kill everyone, spare no one, have no mercy (literally), take the women, slay the men, etc... This is the bible and most christians are not aware... but the same is being said of the quran which are in fact lies heh. The bible on the other hand advocates all out massacres and bloodshed with actual violent portrayal.

The somali witch in her opening contradicts herself in her hate of Islam and Muslims... no one listens to her except idiots that know nothing about Islam and conduct the same level of hate.

The first lady that spoke in 'defense of islam' has no knowledge of islam and just goes on being apologetic of we are peaceful look at me. She quotes nothing from the qur'an and there is plenty to demonstrate what Islam actually says, how merciful God is and how merciful we are to be. How God is just and one of the name's of God is as-salam -- peace. Just toooo many examples she could have given and explained... and any kind of 'fighting' verses could have been demonstrated in context as well as how they are followed up by avoiding fighting and striving to attain peace.

The egyptian guy doesn't know what he's talking about and just tries to be staunch about the 'extremists' that apparently he grew up around and how he's changed and how he learned the quran but he was never religious?? Completely makes no sense.

This is not a debate lol... because there is no muslim on the debate that actually knows anything of Islam, of the qur'an or of the seerah of the prophet, or of any sayings of the prophet (pbuh).

It's just lame...

I've realized over all these years since before even being Muslim, that ... on television there is NEVER an actual scholar of islam who is chosen to debate or talk or discuss Islam and what it stands for, beliefs, etc... but always some liberal no knowledge personalities that stick on every channel whenever there is need to 'discuss islam'. And of course the typical ali hirsi, salman rushdie, tarek fatah, etc... 'experts' on islam who hate islam and really don't know jack. Irshad Manji lol... she was paraphrasing quran and misquoting verses in her books... these people have no scholarly background... they are just emotional and angry because something happened in their life and they blame it on Muslims and suddenly Islam is guilty because of what happened to them in their lives. Seriously.

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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2012, 01:56:26 AM »
are you a muslim?  What happens if you decide not to be a muslim anymore?  Can you be killed for that?

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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2012, 02:08:04 AM »
I've become muslim almost ten years ago.

lol, someone who decides to be muslim and understands islam would never leave islam. Islam has a very distinct set of beliefs that no other religion has, it is a complete way of life. Not just a set of minor beliefs and set of rituals. It encompases the whole of the human being and of mankind.

If a person claimed to have accepted islam and didnt full understand islam to begin with but just kind of went with it, they never really truly embraced Islam. People with little knowledge can whimper and go into anything like a palm tree in the wind, any way the wind blows they go.

That's why you'll hear of all these different people talking about how they were ex-muslims like ali hirsi in this video, but, when they talk they know NOTHING... just hearsay like most non-muslims that have not actually spent the time to learn about Islam.

The hudood (punishment) for apostacy is indeed death. However, it too has it's context. The ruling came because there were hypocrites who literally wanted to undermine islam. So they wanted to demoralize the muslims who were already in a bad situation being persecuted. So they would over day and night, join islam, leave islam, join islam, leave islam, in repetitive fashion. So the ruling came.

There is no compulsion in Islam as the quran says. In other words, to SUBMIT yourself to God almighty no one can literally put a sword to your neck and say 'believe'. It is YOUR SOUL and YOUR HEART that is towards God... and no one can take that away from you. That is part of what it means to be Muslim. To submit yourself alone to God alone. The prophets and messengers on the other hand were sent for mankind by God, people amongst the people chosen so that their people would understand them and not be in fear of something they do not understand or cannot grasp. Ironically Christians used to do this to jews, muslims and everyone else -- baptize or die as charlamange used to say and do.

So this ruling really more so refers to these types of hypocrites who try to harm muslims. Yes I do not deny it and it is what it is.

The so called ex-muslims that may be ethnically pakistani, arab, whatever, and hear about something else other than islam and have no knowledge of islam, they embraced something while being in a muslim environment without knowing about islam. They were like someone who was not a muslim to begin with. Being 'muslim' in name is meaningless. To be muslim is literally to submit yourself to God, not men, not whims and desires but to God. Understanding that we are on this earth for a limited time, being tested and trialed by our deeds and behaviour.

You will never find a person who was trully practicing and understanding of Islam to leave Islam. As every other religion is corrupted by mankind. With Islam, it reaffirms what was before and it is retained, so that even if muslims stray away, you can always go back to the source and fix it. Alot of these ex muslims will claim they were 'very religious' because they did what? They followed in prayer ritually... but did they know what they were saying, or doing, etc... or they would have worn a scarf (even if its a convertible one like alot of pakistanis and afghans do in the west), missing the whole point, because they are born into muslim families or environments but never spend the time to actually study islam, therefore they literally rely on hearsay of their fellow muslims and hearsay of non-muslims. It's a mess in that sense.

However because of such weak muslims, they pollute islam with customs, tribal crap, culture, traditions, etc... as if it was in a period pre-islam. A period that muslims call al-jahiliya (the time of ignorance). So there is both a misinformational misrepresentation of islam for muslims and non muslims because they get lost in this junky stuff.. instead of looking at what Islam actually says.

For instance, the one thing that makes me very angry are the so called 'honor killings' which always carries pointed fingers at Islam but in fact it has nothing to do with Islam. African christians do, Arab christians do it, Hindus in India do it and do it alot, etc...

As far as apostacy goes. Many countries have death penalties for treason.

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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2012, 10:31:47 AM »
I've become muslim almost ten years ago.

lol, someone who decides to be muslim and understands islam would never leave islam. Islam has a very distinct set of beliefs that no other religion has, it is a complete way of life. Not just a set of minor beliefs and set of rituals. It encompases the whole of the human being and of mankind.

If a person claimed to have accepted islam and didnt full understand islam to begin with but just kind of went with it, they never really truly embraced Islam. People with little knowledge can whimper and go into anything like a palm tree in the wind, any way the wind blows they go.

That's why you'll hear of all these different people talking about how they were ex-muslims like ali hirsi in this video, but, when they talk they know NOTHING... just hearsay like most non-muslims that have not actually spent the time to learn about Islam.

The hudood (punishment) for apostacy is indeed death. However, it too has it's context. The ruling came because there were hypocrites who literally wanted to undermine islam. So they wanted to demoralize the muslims who were already in a bad situation being persecuted. So they would over day and night, join islam, leave islam, join islam, leave islam, in repetitive fashion. So the ruling came.

There is no compulsion in Islam as the quran says. In other words, to SUBMIT yourself to God almighty no one can literally put a sword to your neck and say 'believe'. It is YOUR SOUL and YOUR HEART that is towards God... and no one can take that away from you. That is part of what it means to be Muslim. To submit yourself alone to God alone. The prophets and messengers on the other hand were sent for mankind by God, people amongst the people chosen so that their people would understand them and not be in fear of something they do not understand or cannot grasp. Ironically Christians used to do this to jews, muslims and everyone else -- baptize or die as charlamange used to say and do.

So this ruling really more so refers to these types of hypocrites who try to harm muslims. Yes I do not deny it and it is what it is.

The so called ex-muslims that may be ethnically pakistani, arab, whatever, and hear about something else other than islam and have no knowledge of islam, they embraced something while being in a muslim environment without knowing about islam. They were like someone who was not a muslim to begin with. Being 'muslim' in name is meaningless. To be muslim is literally to submit yourself to God, not men, not whims and desires but to God. Understanding that we are on this earth for a limited time, being tested and trialed by our deeds and behaviour.

You will never find a person who was trully practicing and understanding of Islam to leave Islam. As every other religion is corrupted by mankind. With Islam, it reaffirms what was before and it is retained, so that even if muslims stray away, you can always go back to the source and fix it. Alot of these ex muslims will claim they were 'very religious' because they did what? They followed in prayer ritually... but did they know what they were saying, or doing, etc... or they would have worn a scarf (even if its a convertible one like alot of pakistanis and afghans do in the west), missing the whole point, because they are born into muslim families or environments but never spend the time to actually study islam, therefore they literally rely on hearsay of their fellow muslims and hearsay of non-muslims. It's a mess in that sense.

However because of such weak muslims, they pollute islam with customs, tribal crap, culture, traditions, etc... as if it was in a period pre-islam. A period that muslims call al-jahiliya (the time of ignorance). So there is both a misinformational misrepresentation of islam for muslims and non muslims because they get lost in this junky stuff.. instead of looking at what Islam actually says.

For instance, the one thing that makes me very angry are the so called 'honor killings' which always carries pointed fingers at Islam but in fact it has nothing to do with Islam. African christians do, Arab christians do it, Hindus in India do it and do it alot, etc...

As far as apostacy goes. Many countries have death penalties for treason.
sounds real peaceful   ::)  I can attack christianity for being stupid but if someone says or does anything against Islam, they can find themselves without a head pretty quick.  real nice....

and lol, at least a person is only labeled a jew hater if they say anything bad judiaism.  Not good but at least not dead lol....

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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2012, 12:17:15 PM »
That's pretty idiotic. No one will kill you for slandering islam. It will just show you either do not believe or hate Islam whether out of misinformation or arrogance/pride whatever it may be.

And as far as Judaism goes. No one ever criticizes judaism. They only criticize Israel and zionism. However certain Jews (such as ADL/Aipac/etc...) will cry anti-semetism when the crimes of Israel are put on the table. This is not being anti-jewish or anti-judaism.

Funny that no one ever criticizes judaism for the torah or worse yet talmud which basically compares any non-jew to an animal.

All these claims people make about Islam are in fact true for christianity and judaism. That's why I find it ironic that christians and jews will try to say of Islam what is in fact in their own religions and not islam.

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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2012, 02:45:44 PM »
Are you a bitter, mal-adjusted pedophile like your mass-murdering, wife-stealing, epileptic wannabe prophet was?

Islamic converts usually consist of society's most pathetic.

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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2012, 03:07:33 PM »
That's pretty idiotic. No one will kill you for slandering islam. It will just show you either do not believe or hate Islam whether out of misinformation or arrogance/pride whatever it may be.

And as far as Judaism goes. No one ever criticizes judaism. They only criticize Israel and zionism. However certain Jews (such as ADL/Aipac/etc...) will cry anti-semetism when the crimes of Israel are put on the table. This is not being anti-jewish or anti-judaism.

Funny that no one ever criticizes judaism for the torah or worse yet talmud which basically compares any non-jew to an animal.

All these claims people make about Islam are in fact true for christianity and judaism. That's why I find it ironic that christians and jews will try to say of Islam what is in fact in their own religions and not islam.
::)  I know the difference and I have said judiasm is stupid so you can't say nobody says it and there is a good chance you'll just be labeled a hater if you say anything negative in anyway related to jews.  been there done that.

Also you're dead wrong.  Being critical of Islam can and often does get you a nice big death threat and people do get killed for it.  Real peacefull there buddy.

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2012, 03:19:18 PM »
::)  I know the difference and I have said judiasm is stupid so you can't say nobody says it and there is a good chance you'll just be labeled a hater if you say anything negative in anyway related to jews.  been there done that.

Also you're dead wrong.  Being critical of Islam can and often does get you a nice big death threat and people do get killed for it.  Real peacefull there buddy.
Don't bother. Dude is either totally ignorant of the things carried out in the name of his religion daily, or he's the greatest troll ever.

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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2012, 03:24:15 PM »
Through the times many wars were fought over religious and personal freedoms.  And many governments were created to oversee the equality of it's citizens rights and freedoms.

Some wars have been fought for the sole purpose of creating a government that strips away all equality under the guise of "religion".  They have mostly all failed or simply died out.  With the exception of Islam.  They actually won their war in historical times, and that's where the rub comes in.  Rather than progressing themselves on a level along with the rest of world, they instead want to suppress and regress the rest of the world back to their level.  They are still at "war" with those who think/look/act/believe/live different than they do.  

If you look at the way they enslave and suppress their own people, you can imagine what they would like to do to everyone else.  Of course, you can't have a logical conversation about something like this because they simply get belligerent and run down to the synagogue to hand fatwas left and right.

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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2012, 03:28:20 PM »
That's pretty idiotic. No one will kill you for slandering islam. It will just show you either do not believe or hate Islam whether out of misinformation or arrogance/pride whatever it may be.

And as far as Judaism goes. No one ever criticizes judaism. They only criticize Israel and zionism. However certain Jews (such as ADL/Aipac/etc...) will cry anti-semetism when the crimes of Israel are put on the table. This is not being anti-jewish or anti-judaism.

Funny that no one ever criticizes judaism for the torah or worse yet talmud which basically compares any non-jew to an animal.

All these claims people make about Islam are in fact true for christianity and judaism. That's why I find it ironic that christians and jews will try to say of Islam what is in fact in their own religions and not islam.

I have never heard of anyone being subjected to the death penalty for naming a stuffed bear Yahweh.

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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2012, 03:47:08 PM »
Through the times many wars were fought over religious and personal freedoms.  And many governments were created to oversee the equality of it's citizens rights and freedoms.

Some wars have been fought for the sole purpose of creating a government that strips away all equality under the guise of "religion".  They have mostly all failed or simply died out.  With the exception of Islam.  They actually won their war in historical times, and that's where the rub comes in.  Rather than progressing themselves on a level along with the rest of world, they instead want to suppress and regress the rest of the world back to their level.  They are still at "war" with those who think/look/act/believe/live different than they do.  

If you look at the way they enslave and suppress their own people, you can imagine what they would like to do to everyone else.  Of course, you can't have a logical conversation about something like this because they simply get belligerent and run down to the synagogue to hand fatwas left and right.
Thats not ISLAM! You're so full of hate bro! You make me sick you western imperialist pig and stop slandering the religion of PEACE!  ;D

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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2012, 03:54:51 PM »
Thats not ISLAM! You're so full of hate bro! You make me sick you western imperialist pig and stop slandering the religion of PEACE!  ;D

You are right, I am sorry.  Please let me apologize.  Where will you be tomorrow?  Will your family be there?  A wedding perhaps?

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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2012, 05:33:21 PM »
Islam is an all-encompassing totalitarian ideology that consists of military and government oppression of the masses while masquerading itself as a religion.

Ahmed should stick to beating women who want to get educated or throwing acid in the faces of those who spurn his advances like an upstanding Mohammedan does.

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

- Winston Churchill on Islam


Churchill made this comment roughly 120 years ago and not a damned thing has changed in that part of the world, which says a lot.

I know, I know, I'm an "islamophobe" like all Americans. Never mind the fact that in this country Jews are subject to more hate crimes than Muslims and Christians experience roughly the same number as them. Everyone's out to get them.  ::)

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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2012, 05:51:24 PM »
Islam is an all-encompassing totalitarian ideology that consists of military and government oppression of the masses while masquerading itself as a religion.

Ahmed should stick to beating women who want to get educated or throwing acid in the faces of those who spurn his advances like an upstanding Mohammedan does.

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

- Winston Churchill on Islam


Churchill made this comment roughly 120 years ago and not a damned thing has changed in that part of the world, which says a lot.

I know, I know, I'm an "islamophobe" like all Americans. Never mind the fact that in this country Jews are subject to more hate crimes than Muslims and Christians experience roughly the same number as them. Everyone's out to get them.  ::)

YOURE IGNORANT AND HATE MUSLIMS YOU STUPID BRAINWASHED AMERICAN DRONE!

ALLAH AKBAR!!! *Suicides self*

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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2012, 06:03:21 PM »
YOURE IGNORANT AND HATE MUSLIMS YOU STUPID BRAINWASHED AMERICAN DRONE!

ALLAH AKBAR!!! *Suicides self*

Yeah, I know. Crusades, blah blah.  ::)

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« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2012, 06:15:36 PM »
lol i guess you guys dont read much.

You know the funnier thing is how America is losing every civil liberty day by day, and you accuse muslims and islam of being oppressive and forceful.

What you deem as freedom is just lewdness, not actual freedom. You live in a prison society, where you are free to hardcore indulge into all whims and desires, whether material, or sexual yet in the end I bet you're all a buncha depressed mofos high on anti depressants. It's the sad reality but you will not realize it.

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« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2012, 06:16:57 PM »
By the way this devil worshipper that you basically praise for hating Islam much like yourself... guess how he met Lincoln? Naked

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oooh yes the advanced civilization. The british. That once were mighty in colonizing others and oppressing and stealing. Oh yes that's the ones I will take my advice on Islam :)

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« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2012, 06:19:30 PM »
Oh this made me lol, just like today talking about 'democracy' while imposing dictatorships and tyranny on the masses of people:

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"It is alarming and also nauseating to see Mr. Gandhi, a seditious middle temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half-naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organizing and conducting a defiant campaign of civil disobedience, to parley on equal terms with the representative of the king-emperor."

- Winston Churchill, 1930

For Gandhi, simplicity was the way of life. When the British invited Gandhi for peace talks, Gandhi saw no particular reason to change his attire, which was same as millions of his fellow countrymen. Gandhi met with Lord Irvin with the advantage of having won a moral victory. "I have caused a great deal for trouble for your government. But as men, we can set aside our differences for welfare of the nation" he said to the immaculately dressed viceroy, on occasion of which Churchill is said to have made his infamous comments.

Churchill, who considered himself a true democrat constantly opposed granting freedom to India. In more ways than one, Gandhi was a much  greater democrat, especially in believing in self-determination of people and the universal equality of mankind. Churchill was to be irritated further. The following year, Gandhi met face to face with Churchill during the Indian round table conference -- "...I have an alternative that is unpleasant to you"  he told Churchill and his clan of imperialists. " India demands complete liberty and freedom...the same liberty that Englishmen enjoy... and I want  India to become a partner in the Empire. I want to partner with the English people ... not merely for mutual benefit, but so that the great weight that is crushing the world to atoms may be lifted from its shoulders".

Winston Churchill loathed Gandhi. Gandhi  loathed none.

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« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2012, 06:21:10 PM »
By the way this devil worshipper that you basically praise for hating Islam much like yourself... guess how he met Lincoln? Naked

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oooh yes the advanced civilization. The british. That once were mighty in colonizing others and oppressing and stealing. Oh yes that's the ones I will take my advice on Islam :)

They beat the shit out of your caliphate and then divided your people and lands up like chattel. Most Muslims are still butt-hurt over that and yearn for the return of their shitty caliphate. :D

Should ask yourself why most Muslim-majority countries are among the poorest and least developed in the world. Protip: It has a lot to do with the culture required for Islam to be dominant.

Oh this made me lol, just like today talking about 'democracy' while imposing dictatorships and tyranny on the masses of people:


That's what most Muslims do. Just look at Mali right now.

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« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2012, 06:22:19 PM »
And yes islam is a complete way of life encompassing everything including government, military, economics, etc... It is why western capitalists are afraid. As Islam brings the wealth to the masses. That is why a caliphate is out of the question for westerner politicians. The 1%ers as they were, would not want a religion that slaps them when they try to indulge in interest, credit, loans and debts of a society plunging itself to destruction. Just one point.

The thing you must understand, nonmuslims are not to be ruled by shari'ah in a caliphate, so to speak. If you have your beliefs that permit you or disallow you certain things you may do so and no one will attack you for them. However, to publicly endorse alcoholism for example of course that would not go in an islamic society. It would not be allowed publicly.

Historically Jews used to have Jewish courts by Jewish law although they had the choice to go to Muslim courts. Christians had christians courts that they used to go to but they also had the choice to go to Muslim courts. In reality and this is historical fact, they ended up prefering going to Muslim jduges for help rather than their own people.

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« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2012, 06:23:42 PM »
They beat the shit out of your caliphate and then divided your people and lands up like chattel. Most Muslims are still butt-hurt over that and yearn for the return of their shitty caliphate. :D

Should ask yourself why most Muslim-majority countries are among the poorest and least developed in the world. Protip: It has a lot to do with the culture required for Islam to be dominant.

That's what most Muslims do. Just look at Mali right now.

Hey its pretty hard to develop when you are constantly bombed by foreigners and have imposed dictatorships. LOL democracy what a joke. What you call democracy is, a government that is obedient to the west and does not serve the local population in belief or creed or well being.

It's funny but when Muslims try to defend themselves in their own countries they other get tortured by these dictators, or bombed by foreigners and when fighting back of course... terrorists :)

It's pretty amusing. Just like christians and jews who slander Islam. Accusing Islam of things which are not true but are in fact true of christian and jewish scripture and laws. Likewise you are proving that you proudly talk about the destruction of muslims, yet you call muslims the ones who are violent?

I guess damned if you do, damned if you don't sorta mentality going on here. You don't even know what you're hating. Your governments are raping you and leeching your wealth, your well being and civil liberties and yet you march forward talking about the destruction of muslims and islam because ... well you keep repeating rants about them evil mozzlems yet not citing a single proof that it is from islam if a single idiotic action is done by some people with muslim names.

Acid throwing is disgusting. Women beating is disgusting. If you didn't know the prophet (pbuh) was angry upon hearing of women beaters and said do you beat your women as animals and then  with them? These things are not from islam but from these preislamic barbaric cultures. Again why is it you keep attacking and bashing islam and muslims for these idiotic actions (which are foreign of islam) why are you not bashing african christians or hindus of india who do this far more?

Of course you'll never bother to take the effort to explore about what islam says and instead just keep ranting and ranting about your preconceived notions of what you were told about islam and here i am, a muslim convert that has studied islam before becoming muslim trying to correct you or open your eyes in some things but you keep pushing :)

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« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2012, 06:27:22 PM »
Hey its pretty hard to develop when you are constantly bombed by foreigners and have imposed dictatorships. LOL democracy what a joke. What you call democracy is, a government that is obedient to the west and does not serve the local population in belief or creed or well being.

It's funny but when Muslims try to defend themselves in their own countries they other get tortured by these dictators, or bombed by foreigners and when fighting back of course... terrorists :)

The only thing you people respond to is violence and brutality. That's why you have zero functioning democracies in the Middle East, even in countries that are of no importance to us.

Democracy is completely incompatible with Islam.

What was the most embarrassing Muslim loss? Getting decimated by Charles the Hammer, having their caliphate carved into pieces by the west or losing to Israel 3x despite attacking them with 3/4 of the Muslim world?

Ask yourself why Japan and Germany were able to rebuild themselves into what they are today despite being destroyed on a level that nothing in the Middle East has approached?