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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: gatomjp on August 08, 2012, 04:32:29 AM
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http://www.flexonline.com/training/videos/musclemeds/day-life-kai-greene-part-two
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Another great documentary Mike, props!
That restaurant conversation was an interesting one.
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Another great documentary Mike, props!
That restaurant conversation was an interesting one.
Thanks man. Like most people, Kai is often most interesting when we are not doing a formal interview so I always keep my camera with me wherever we go!
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Thanks man. Like most people, Kai is often most interesting when we are not doing a formal interview so I always keep my camera with me wherever we go!
schmoe ::). is your right finger stronger than our Lardo and Savior Ron?
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Its nice to see a bber be able to talk about something other than sets and reps!
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schmoe ::). is your right finger stronger than our Lardo and Savior Ron?
That really hurts! Why are you so mean?? I'm crying now.
Actually I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Your insult is too "inside". LOL!
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Great work as always man, very inspirational.
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Is there going to be a grapefruit scene in part 3
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anybody know if kai is banging that slim piece of chocolate in the posing class.
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Great Job Mike!
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Mike did kai pin in front of u? Or did he excuse himself to bedroom by himself? ... How many times in a day did he ask for the cameras to be off during a one day shoot ?
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schmoe ::). is your right finger stronger than our Lardo and Savior Ron?
Ignore this retard Mike.
Awesome vids, great work as always.
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Is there going to be a grapefruit scene in part 3
Thats original ::)
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Thats original ::)
drug induced meltdown
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http://www.flexonline.com/training/videos/musclemeds/day-life-kai-greene-part-two
Keep up the good work Mike, well done!
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anybody know if kai is banging that slim piece of chocolate in the posing class.
kai is a married man who values the bond of marriage
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kai is a married man who values the bond of marriage a good grapefruit
fixed
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good video.... kai is an interesting guy....
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http://www.flexonline.com/training/videos/musclemeds/day-life-kai-greene-part-two
Great documentary !!!
Kay Greene is man with personality and very real. I hope the best for him because he deserve it!
By the way we need more bodybuilders like him , not fake boring bodybuilders without personality like Jay Cutler!
And you Mister Pulcinella are a great documentarist.
Thank you !!! :)
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Part 1
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Great documentary !!!
Kay Greene is man with personality and very real. I hope the best for him because he deserve it!
By the way we need more bodybuilders like him , not fake boring bodybuilders without personality like Jay Cutler!
And you Mister Pulcinella are a great documentarist.
Thank you !!! :)
Thank you for your kind words!
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Thank you for your kind words!
You are welcome ! 8)
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Gatomjp:
1) why do you talk in a low, soft, deep voice? Is this your real voice? Or does it make you sound more intellectual?
2) You stated in the beginning of the video, "since 2004 I have been on a journey to capture the gritty day to day existence for those who participate in this sport." You also said you wanted to "find the true nature of this sport."
The day to day existence of all pro bodybuilders and part of the true nature of bodybuilding is drug abuse. Why don't you show this in your video? You aren't capturing jackshit. You capture lies. Then teenage kids watch your video and believe they can look like Kai Greene with hard work and philosophical talk. You aren't capturing the day to day existence or truth of any bodybuilder. You're only selling lies to teenage kids to make your wallet bigger.
FILT!
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Part 1
Tupperware is a great investment, better than supplements
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Gatomjp:
1) why do you talk in a low, soft, deep voice? Is this your real voice? Or does it make you sound more intellectual?
2) You stated in the beginning of the video, "since 2004 I have been on a journey to capture the gritty day to day existence for those who participate in this sport." You also said you wanted to "find the true nature of this sport."
The day to day existence of all pro bodybuilders and part of the true nature of bodybuilding is drug abuse. Why don't you show this in your video? You aren't capturing jackshit. You capture lies. Then teenage kids watch your video and believe they can look like Kai Greene with hard work and philosophical talk. You aren't capturing the day to day existence or truth of any bodybuilder. You're only selling lies to teenage kids to make your wallet bigger.
FILT!
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I've seen what pros do on a day-to-day and most of it includes:
Sleeping in really late
Eating
Injecting their daily dose of test
Eating
Injecting their daily dose of insulin
Eating
Injecting their daily dose of GH
Eating
Working out for 30 minutes with a trainer/guru
Eating
Sleeping
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REPEAT
While I think that Mike makes pretty nice videos, I do think that it's a huge disservice to leave out what constitutes a large portion of their day and one of the main reasons why the pros can attain the size they do.
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Gatomjp:
1) why do you talk in a low, soft, deep voice? Is this your real voice? Or does it make you sound more intellectual?
2) You stated in the beginning of the video, "since 2004 I have been on a journey to capture the gritty day to day existence for those who participate in this sport." You also said you wanted to "find the true nature of this sport."
The day to day existence of all pro bodybuilders and part of the true nature of bodybuilding is drug abuse. Why don't you show this in your video? You aren't capturing jackshit. You capture lies. Then teenage kids watch your video and believe they can look like Kai Greene with hard work and philosophical talk. You aren't capturing the day to day existence or truth of any bodybuilder. You're only selling lies to teenage kids to make your wallet bigger.
FILT!
Calm down my man, all of us (yes, even those so called 'naive' gymrats/teenage kids) know that bodybuilding is almost 100% drugs (the % is debatable), but we also know why competitive BB'ers aren't in the position to discuss their drug use, don't we?
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I've seen what pros do on a day-to-day and most of it includes:
Sleeping in really late
Eating
Injecting their daily dose of test
Eating
Injecting their daily dose of insulin
Eating
Injecting their daily dose of GH
Eating
Working out for 30 minutes with a trainer/guru
Eating
Sleeping
.
.
REPEAT
While I think that Mike makes pretty nice videos, I do think that it's a huge disservice to leave out what constitutes a large portion of their day and one of the main reasons why the pros can attain the size they do.
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So you know a lot of pros and they invite you to live with them?
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Calm down my man, all of us (yes, even those so called 'naive' gymrats/teenage kids) know that bodybuilding is almost 100% drugs (the % is debatable), but we also know why competitive BB'ers aren't in the position to discuss their drug use, don't we?
I am calm. I am just trolling :) :)
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Am I the only one that really gets pissed at kai´s approach to bodybuilding and all the empty words que spouts?
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Mike, there is this young up and coming bodybuilder in Florida, he already has his own personal video guy, but he might be what your looking to film, he is a natural , dedicated, and wants to be the first Natural Mr. Olympia ever, his name is Jason Genova .... he is all over the internet , he is dyslexic i hope that doesn't ruin his chance of him working for you.
(http://savemisc.com/threads/images/afc3cd34b5ee8f849527b8c2a428b43d.gif)
(http://meta.filesmelt.com/downloader.php?file=2012-03-15_18_53_22.gif)
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Yes. I am just trolling :) :)
No, you've got a point. Every time I see vids like these, I realize it's not the full story, just like most of us know, but I can only blame the lawmakers & the general public for this.
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Mike, there is this young up and coming bodybuilder in Florida, he already has his own personal video guy, but he might be what your looking to film, he is a natural , dedicated, and wants to be the first Natural Mr. Olympia ever, his name is Jason Genova .... he is all over the internet , he is dyslexic i hope that doesn't ruin his chance of him working for you.
(http://savemisc.com/threads/images/afc3cd34b5ee8f849527b8c2a428b43d.gif)
(http://meta.filesmelt.com/downloader.php?file=2012-03-15_18_53_22.gif)
hahaahahah.....that Kid has a serious case of ILS
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No, you've got a point. Every time I see vids like these, I realize it's not the full story, just like most of us know, but I can only blame the lawmakers & the general public for this.
Yup. I couldnt careless that gatomjp had made these videos. I do find them hilarious, but not in a good way! :-\
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So you know a lot of pros and they invite you to live with them?
Yes.
I have been training partners with Victor Martinez, Jason Arntz, Kamali and a few other NPC competitors over the years.
They don't ever work out as you see in those videos. All of that stuff is just for show.
Most of them have personal trainers (high end trainers - Think Victor Muñoz and Charles Glass), that give them routines that they have them follow, which tend to change as contest time approaches.
In terms of diet, they also don't eat as healthy as these videos have you believe. A lot of these guys eat like pigs and have a large dependency on the GH to keep them at low bodyfat levels even when stuffing their faces with mcdonalds. They do employ contest prep "gurus" (Think Chris Aceto or Palumbo) for last minute, as in 2 months out, dieting techniques.
One thing they actually do is employ the use of a shit ton of drugs. Moderate is not even prescribed to when it comes to these guys. They work towards gaining an edge above the rest and great genetics doesn't cut it when every guy on stage has amazing genetics.
They DO employ the use of esiclene and synthol. The best guys just know how to hide (use) it very VERY well.
A lot of these guys also do private training sessions with schmoes for extra money. NOT Gay-4-pay, just training sessions with adamant fanboys.
Mike's videos are great, but the real truth of bodybuilding is always left out of all these videos (not just his). A lot of stupid, young kids fall for the hype and think they can do the same as these guys with just training, good nutrition, a few stupid supplements and a gallon of water in hand.
The only exception to all of this is Bob Chick. That is one man that actually does more than just pretend in these videos. He is a business man that spends a lot of time promoting the sport and himself. He is one of the few that long after his body will have expired for competition purposes, will have a steady source of income from various companies that still employ him for his services.
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Yes.
I have been training partners with Victor Martinez, Jason Arntz, Kamali and a few other NPC competitors over the years.
They don't ever work out as you see in those videos. All of that stuff is just for show.
Most of them have personal trainers (high end trainers - Think Victor Muñoz and Charles Glass), that give them routines that they have them follow, which tend to change as contest time approaches.
In terms of diet, they also don't eat as healthy as these videos have you believe. A lot of these guys eat like pigs and have a large dependency on the GH to keep them at low bodyfat levels even when stuffing their faces with mcdonalds. They do employ contest prep "gurus" (Think Chris Aceto or Palumbo) for last minute, as in 2 months out, dieting techniques.
One thing they actually do is employ the use of a shit ton of drugs. Moderate is not even prescribed to when it comes to these guys. They work towards gaining an edge above the rest and great genetics doesn't cut it when every guy on stage has amazing genetics.
They DO employ the use of esiclene and synthol. The best guys just know how to hide (use) it very VERY well.
A lot of these guys also do private training sessions with schmoes for extra money. NOT Gay-4-pay, just training sessions with adamant fanboys.
Mike's videos are great, but the real truth of bodybuilding is always left out of all these videos (not just his). A lot of stupid, young kids fall for the hype and think they can do the same as these guys with just training, good nutrition, a few stupid supplements and a gallon of water in hand.
The only exception to all of this is Bob Chick. That is one man that actually does more than just pretend in these videos. He is a business man that spends a lot of time promoting the sport and himself. He is one of the few that long after his body will have expired for competition purposes, will have a steady source of income from various companies that still employ him for his services.
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1MR are you a competitive bber? or used to be?
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Another quality post, One
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Ok guys, he isn't saying EVERY pro is Kai or like him. He is just showing what a day is like for him and sharing his thoughts and the hows and whys. No he isn't showing Kai injecting or doing something illegal. Neither of them is that stupid. Pros use drugs. Sometimes a lot of drugs. Can we move on and learn something?
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1MR are you a competitive bber? or used to be?
No.
I am just a flamboyant homosexual that used to like to working out in the style of a bodybuilder.
I met Victor through his trainer Victor Muñoz, who I employed for a few years to train me (he is pretty good). I then met Jason Arntz through Victor, while at his gym. I met kamali at this old NYC gym that doesn't exist anymore (Johnny Lats) and also met Rob Lopez there. I also trained with Kai Greene once before and he was a very pleasant guy, but that Oscar guy was a real cunt and would brainwash him into believing that anyone else, besides him, means Kai harm (distraction or guiding in the wrong fashion) in terms of his training.
It's been maybe 6 years since I last trained with any IFBB pro or even trained like that of a bodybuilder. The reason why I stopped training in that fashion was because I realized that unless I injected the same type of drugs that these guys used, I was never going to be as big as they were.
Now, I stick to boxing and JiuJitsu and look/feel like a normal person and have way more functional strength and flexibility.
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Gatomjp:
1) why do you talk in a low, soft, deep voice? Is this your real voice? Or does it make you sound more intellectual?
2) You stated in the beginning of the video, "since 2004 I have been on a journey to capture the gritty day to day existence for those who participate in this sport." You also said you wanted to "find the true nature of this sport."
The day to day existence of all pro bodybuilders and part of the true nature of bodybuilding is drug abuse. Why don't you show this in your video? You aren't capturing jackshit. You capture lies. Then teenage kids watch your video and believe they can look like Kai Greene with hard work and philosophical talk. You aren't capturing the day to day existence or truth of any bodybuilder. You're only selling lies to teenage kids to make your wallet bigger.
FILT!
1. It's a specifically chosen timbre for a specific effect...plus I like the way it sounds! LOL!
2. As long as we live in a hypocritical country that eagerly sells you enough cigarettes and alcohol to put you in the ground while making criminals of those who want to enhance their bodies, you will have to get that information for yourself. If you pay close attention we DO talk about it.
Use your head.
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Am I the only one that really gets pissed at kai´s approach to bodybuilding and all the empty words que spouts?
They are not empty. Apply what he says to ANYTHING in your life and you will succeed.
You guys are so hung up on the fucking drug thing that you can't hear the rest of the good advice which is rushing past your ears.
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Mike, there is this young up and coming bodybuilder in Florida, he already has his own personal video guy, but he might be what your looking to film, he is a natural , dedicated, and wants to be the first Natural Mr. Olympia ever, his name is Jason Genova .... he is all over the internet , he is dyslexic i hope that doesn't ruin his chance of him working for you.
(http://savemisc.com/threads/images/afc3cd34b5ee8f849527b8c2a428b43d.gif)
(http://meta.filesmelt.com/downloader.php?file=2012-03-15_18_53_22.gif)
I've seen him. He doesn't need me. His vids are plenty entertaining on his own!
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1. It's a specifically chosen timbre for a specific effect...plus I like the way it sounds! LOL!
2. As long as we live in a hypocritical country that eagerly sells you enough cigarettes and alcohol to put you in the ground while making criminals of those who want to enhance their bodies, you will have to get that information for yourself. The use of chemistry in this sport is well known and in fact, if you pay close attention we DO talk about it. Albeit in code.
Use your head.
haha, totally evading the question and talking about ciggs and alcohol. Nice try.
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Is Kai on DNP? The sweating is insane!
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He'd be dead if he was running dnp
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Calm down my man, all of us (yes, even those so called 'naive' gymrats/teenage kids) know that bodybuilding is almost 100% drugs (the % is debatable), but we also know why competitive BB'ers aren't in the position to discuss their drug use, don't we?
absolutely, 100% false, unless you actually mean people on getbig.com
highschool age kids, ie basically everyone who "goes into" bodybuilding, are largely clueless.
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absolutely, 100% false, unless you actually mean people on getbig.com
highschool age kids, ie basically everyone who "goes into" bodybuilding, are largely clueless.
Agreed. Ive met a number of people who actually think Ronnie Coleman is natural because the shows are drug tested.
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Yes.
I have been training partners with Victor Martinez, Jason Arntz, Kamali and a few other NPC competitors over the years.
They don't ever work out as you see in those videos. All of that stuff is just for show.
Most of them have personal trainers (high end trainers - Think Victor Muñoz and Charles Glass), that give them routines that they have them follow, which tend to change as contest time approaches.
In terms of diet, they also don't eat as healthy as these videos have you believe. A lot of these guys eat like pigs and have a large dependency on the GH to keep them at low bodyfat levels even when stuffing their faces with mcdonalds. They do employ contest prep "gurus" (Think Chris Aceto or Palumbo) for last minute, as in 2 months out, dieting techniques.
One thing they actually do is employ the use of a shit ton of drugs. Moderate is not even prescribed to when it comes to these guys. They work towards gaining an edge above the rest and great genetics doesn't cut it when every guy on stage has amazing genetics.
They DO employ the use of esiclene and synthol. The best guys just know how to hide (use) it very VERY well.
A lot of these guys also do private training sessions with schmoes for extra money. NOT Gay-4-pay, just training sessions with adamant fanboys.
Mike's videos are great, but the real truth of bodybuilding is always left out of all these videos (not just his). A lot of stupid, young kids fall for the hype and think they can do the same as these guys with just training, good nutrition, a few stupid supplements and a gallon of water in hand.
The only exception to all of this is Bob Chick. That is one man that actually does more than just pretend in these videos. He is a business man that spends a lot of time promoting the sport and himself. He is one of the few that long after his body will have expired for competition purposes, will have a steady source of income from various companies that still employ him for his services.
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great post, 1, you are a beacon of light in the sordid world of bodybuilding.
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absolutely, 100% false, unless you actually mean people on getbig.com
highschool age kids, ie basically everyone who "goes into" bodybuilding, are largely clueless.
They might not be as informed as the average GB vet, by telling which kind of gear he prob uses, but most kids/'noobs' know that extreme muscle = hormones.
I started lifting before the internet era, and I got accused of using steroids by random people in the streets.
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Agreed. Ive met a number of people who actually think Ronnie Coleman is natural because the shows are drug tested.
Some folks tend to believe everything, but when I show a pic of him to 100 people in the streets, claiming that he's drug-free, most of them will LOL (or call me filt ;) )
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haha, totally evading the question and talking about ciggs and alcohol. Nice try.
I said we do talk about it. Actually we have talked about it many times in my vids. You have to use your intelligence to figure out where.
Cigs and alcohol ARE a part of this discussion! How can you not know that?? If you want to talk intelligently about this topic you must address the LEGAL and CONDONED drug use in this country vs what is illegal...and WHY.
Also, consider this...the hypocrisy comes from above. It is INSTITUTIONAL. Change your leaders and the discussion will change.
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I said we do talk about it. Actually we have talked about it many times in my vids. You have to use your intelligence to figure out where.
Cigs and alcohol ARE a part of this discussion! How can you not know that?? If you want to talk intelligently about this topic you must address the LEGAL and CONDONED drug use in this country vs what is illegal...and WHY.
Also, consider this...the hypocrisy comes from above. It is INSTITUTIONAL. Change your leaders and the discussion will change.
Well said
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I said we do talk about it. Actually we have talked about it many times in my vids. You have to use your intelligence to figure out where.
Cigs and alcohol ARE a part of this discussion! How can you not know that?? If you want to talk intelligently about this topic you must address the LEGAL and CONDONED drug use in this country vs what is illegal...and WHY.
Also, consider this...the hypocrisy comes from above. It is INSTITUTIONAL. Change your leaders and the discussion will change.
You talk about it in an evasive manner, and the average teenage noob will not pick up on it.
Cigs and alcohol have nothing to do with this topic. You're talking about how you bring the "truth" to your videos. This is not the case because you clearly leave out the drug part, or talk about it in a very evasive manner. Obviously, there could be a whole discussion about the legality of ciggs, alcohol and steroids. However, that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about your presumption to bring the "truth" You can post all the videos you want, but you should steer away from saying you're bringing the "truth" because you really aren't. Just make your videos and stop trying to appear as some guru who is enlightening everyone ::) ::)
You might as well just become the next Jay Cutler who is selling shitty products, like his bite mouth piece ::) ::)
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You talk about it in an evasive manner, and the average teenage noob will not pick up on it.
Cigs and alcohol have nothing to do with this topic. You're talking about how you bring the "truth" to your videos. This is not the case because you clearly leave out the drug part, or talk about it in a very evasive manner. Obviously, there could be a whole discussion about the legality of ciggs, alcohol and steroids. However, that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about your presumption to bring the "truth" You can post all the videos you want, but you should steer away from saying you're bringing the "truth" because you really aren't. Just make your videos and stop trying to appear as some guru who is enlightening everyone ::) ::)
You might as well just become the next Jay Cutler who is selling shitty products, like his bite mouth piece ::) ::)
I talk about it the only way you can talk about it without going to fucking jail. Are you really that naive?
Here's a simple solution for you:
1. Stop watching my videos if they upset you.
2. Buy a video camera and educate the world yourself. If you feel so strongly about it get off your ass and DO something! There's nothing stopping you...or IS there?
Good luck!
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You talk about it in an evasive manner, and the average teenage noob will not pick up on it.
Cigs and alcohol have nothing to do with this topic. You're talking about how you bring the "truth" to your videos. This is not the case because you clearly leave out the drug part, or talk about it in a very evasive manner. Obviously, there could be a whole discussion about the legality of ciggs, alcohol and steroids. However, that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about your presumption to bring the "truth" You can post all the videos you want, but you should steer away from saying you're bringing the "truth" because you really aren't. Just make your videos and stop trying to appear as some guru who is enlightening everyone ::) ::)
You might as well just become the next Jay Cutler who is selling shitty products, like his bite mouth piece ::) ::)
Answer me this...WHY are steroids illegal?
Answer that question and we will begin to have the discussion you think you want to have.
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this gato fella is a radical with an agenda to subvert the state with his muscle videos and dramatic narration
this is clear now
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I talk about it the only way you can talk about it without going to fucking jail. Are you really that naive?
Here's a simple solution for you:
1. Stop watching my videos if they upset you.
2. Buy a video camera and educate the world yourself. If you feel so strongly about it get off your ass and DO something! There's nothing stopping you...or IS there?
Good luck!
I understand you cannot talk about it without going to jail. But are you that naive that you cannot understand my point. Since you cant talk about steroid abuse (for obvious reasons), which means you cant give the whole truth, stop selling your videos as if THEY ARE THE WHOLE TRUTH because clearly they aren't. As I said, I totally get that you cannot talk about certain things. In that case, then stop making up lies and saying youre capturing the truth because you clearly arent. Just shoot the video and leave out the whole bullshit talk about capturing the truth, in order to get naive teenagers to buy your videos because they think you have the "truth" ::) ::)
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Answer me this...WHY are steroids illegal?
Answer that question and we will begin to have the discussion you think you want to have.
Again, my point is not whether steroids should be legal or not. My point is you stating that youre capturing the whole truth, when clearly you aren't. Its not that difficult to understand. I guess now I understand why you're job is shooting men in thongs.
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I understand you cannot talk about it without going to jail. But are you that naive that you cannot understand my point. Since you cant talk about steroid abuse (for obvious reasons), which means you cant give the whole truth, stop selling your videos as if THEY ARE THE WHOLE TRUTH because clearly they aren't. As I said, I totally get that you cannot talk about certain things. In that case, then stop making up lies and saying youre capturing the truth because you clearly arent. Just shoot the video and leave out the whole bullshit talk about capturing the truth, in order to get naive teenagers to buy your videos because they think you have the "truth" ::) ::)
With all respect, because I appreciate most of your posts, but can you quote the part where he claims that his doc reveals the "whole truth" behind bodybuilding? I think this is rather your impression of his works.
You can appreciate his productions or not, but I think it's unfair to blame an individual for not revealing the "whole truth" ("truth" is very relative).
Please be reasonable.
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With all respect, because I appreciate most of your posts, but can you quote the part where he claims that his doc reveals the "whole truth" behind bodybuilding? I think this is rather your impression of his works.
You can appreciate his productions or not, but I think it's unfair to blame an individual for not revealing the "whole truth" ("truth" is very relative).
Please be reasonable.
True. He actually never said he had the "whole" truth. That was definitely my own perceptions and take on it. ITs good to have an objective criteria point out things one may miss.
And I do admit, his videos are much better than the typical Jay Cutler boring workout routines.
Nevertheless, his voice still annoys the shit out of me ;D ;D
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No one gives - or gets the whole truth from ANY video-or book, or what have you on any subject. All anyone can realistically and honestly offer is a portrait or a presentation of some aspects of the whole.
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True. He actually never said he had the "whole" truth. That was definitely my own perceptions and take on it. ITs good to have an objective criteria point out things one may miss.
And I do admit, his videos are much better than the typical Jay Cutler boring workout routines.
Nevertheless, his voice still annoys the shit out of me ;D ;D
I presume you have a scientific/analytical background, correct?
I think it's very hard to objectify a complex art/sport/lifestyle like bodybuilding, even if the use of drugs would be completely legal. Drug protocols are like trade secrets. Here on GB and other forums, we can discuss several issues around their use, but do you think that top contenders will reveal their exact drug protocols? No, they won't, partly because of the same reasons that a commercial software company won't reveal the source code of their proprietary products.
We all know that steroids, GH, slin & diuretics are the main products, but you can't expect more details unless you become close buddies with them, like One.
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Gay 4 pay ex stripper makes it to middle class by abusing drugs.
would make for a great book some day.
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I presume you have a scientific/analytical background, correct?
I think it's very hard to objectify a complex art/sport/lifestyle like bodybuilding, even if the use of drugs would be completely legal. Drug protocols are like trade secrets. Here on GB and other forums, we can discuss several issues around their use, but do you think that top contenders will reveal their exact drug protocols? No, they won't, partly because of the same reasons that a commercial software company won't reveal the source code of their proprietary products.
We all know that steroids, GH, slin & diuretics are the main products, but you can't expect more details unless you become close buddies with them, like One.
Yes, my background is definitely more scientific/analytic. I am definitely dominant left brain :)
Yes, of course, they would not reveal their secrets. Even diet and training secrets they never tell you the whole truth. I am sure what we see on the videos is a very small look at what they actually do in the gym!
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Yes, my background is definitely more scientific/analytic. I am definitely dominant left brain :)
Yes, of course, they would not reveal their secrets. Even diet and training secrets they never tell you the whole truth. I am sure what we see on the videos is a very small look at what they actually do in the gym!
Back in the early nineties when I started training, Ricardo Gya (you might not know him, since he did only 2-3 pro shows in the US) trained in my gym. Being an observer myself, I paid attention to his training style (no, I've never discussed his drug intake, but he was a nice and intelligent person, pretty humble), and 9 out of 10 times he was just pumping with baby weights, like benching 155-175. Other than during his leg training, I've never saw him making ugly faces.
So in this sense I can confirm what One wrote about Vic's training regimen when there are no cameras running.
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Yes, my background is definitely more scientific/analytic. I am definitely dominant left brain :)
Yes, of course, they would not reveal their secrets. Even diet and training secrets they never tell you the whole truth. I am sure what we see on the videos is a very small look at what they actually do in the gym!
"Secrets"? Secrets to what, on how to look worse than the bbers of 10-15 yrs ago?
Secrets to a big gut? Secrets to looking like a glazed donut?
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Back in the early nineties when I started training, Ricardo Gya (you might not know him, since he did only 2-3 pro shows in the US) trained in my gym. Being an observer myself, I paid attention to his training style (no, I've never discussed his drug intake, but he was a nice and intelligent person, pretty humble), and 9 out of 10 times he was just pumping with baby weights, like benching 155-175. Other than during his leg training, I've never saw him making ugly faces.
So in this sense I can confirm what One wrote about Vic's training regimen when there are no cameras running.
If he was pumping away with 155-175, it could be the reason why his chest in that vid wasn't that good...
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If he was pumping away with 155-175, it could be the reason why his chest in that vid wasn't that good...
He was way better before he turned pro, both on mass & hardness. Too bad I can't show you his side chest pic from Ironman Europe, since I don't have a scanner, but it was a Mustafa Mohammed like chest. Ricardo's main problem was his small frame.
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Props for making great vids Gato, but I have the feeling that you're wasting your potential on BB.
Maybe doing some stuff like Louis Therox may be better suited.
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Props for making great vids Gato, but I have the feeling that you're wasting your potential on BB.
Maybe doing some stuff like Louis Therox may be better suited.
But do you think that any BBer wants to join a Theroux production again?
But it was a great docu, that's for sure :D
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"Secrets"? Secrets to what, on how to look worse than the bbers of 10-15 yrs ago?
Secrets to a big gut? Secrets to looking like a glazed donut?
Well, secrets may be a strong word. What I meant is that if there are some minute things they do that they think works, they may not share it with others, even if its known.
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Back in the early nineties when I started training, Ricardo Gya (you might not know him, since he did only 2-3 pro shows in the US) trained in my gym. Being an observer myself, I paid attention to his training style (no, I've never discussed his drug intake, but he was a nice and intelligent person, pretty humble), and 9 out of 10 times he was just pumping with baby weights, like benching 155-175. Other than during his leg training, I've never saw him making ugly faces.
So in this sense I can confirm what One wrote about Vic's training regimen when there are no cameras running.
Ive actually seen a few pros train. I live in NYC and visit many of the gyms. And yes, what they do in front of the camera is much different than what they do in real life!
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But do you think that any BBer wants to join a Theroux production again?
But it was a great docu, that's for sure :D
Louis' the man - I have yet to see a more elegant and witty shit slinger that gives of a concerned aura.
BB's are attention whores to the max - give them a stage and they'll "perform"...
given that you think of wasting food, being overweight, drug abusing and selling stratospheric lies as a performance.
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http://www.flexonline.com/training/videos/musclemeds/day-life-kai-greene-part-two
kai greene is a ray of light in the suspect world of pro bb'ing. Thx for sharing and glad you post on here bro!
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I understand you cannot talk about it without going to jail. But are you that naive that you cannot understand my point. Since you cant talk about steroid abuse (for obvious reasons), which means you cant give the whole truth, stop selling your videos as if THEY ARE THE WHOLE TRUTH because clearly they aren't. As I said, I totally get that you cannot talk about certain things. In that case, then stop making up lies and saying youre capturing the truth because you clearly arent. Just shoot the video and leave out the whole bullshit talk about capturing the truth, in order to get naive teenagers to buy your videos because they think you have the "truth" ::) ::)
I expect people to come to these things with a certain knowledge and intelligence. YOU obviously have that knowledge and intelligence. Where did you get it and why do you think others do not? That is very condescending. Where are these naive kids that we are supposed to be protecting?? I don't see any here on getbig!
All anyone has to do is spend 10 minutes on any BB forum or read the comments on any Youtube BB video to get the information you want them to have. I don't think these so-called impressionable naive youth exist, except in your mind!
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Again, my point is not whether steroids should be legal or not. My point is you stating that youre capturing the whole truth, when clearly you aren't. Its not that difficult to understand. I guess now I understand why you're job is shooting men in thongs.
So now we go for the homosexual innuendo. This written by a chap who spends time on a bodybuilding forum. You're going to have to troll harder than that bro. I've been around.
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So now we go for the homosexual innuendo. This written by a chap who spends time on a bodybuilding forum. You're going to have to troll harder than that bro. I've been around.
yes, clearly you have :o :o
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This written by a chap who spends time on a bodybuilding forum.
Tu quoque much?
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yes, clearly you have :o :o
I like 99% of your posts man, but I don't see why you are choosing THIS battle with Mike. Mikes a great dude, works his ass off, makes some damn good vids in an industry that has produced pretty subpar documentaries since the one and only Pumping Iron. Don't you feel there's more worthy adversaries out there to "own" than Mike?
To help, I've created a short list of other things we can all agree to hate on:
-Jerry Sandusky
-the batman killer
-SMM
-the Chinese
-not being able to find the provided scooper in a fresh tub of protein
-Justin Bieber
-Muscle-tech
-Schmoes
-African American criminals
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Yes.
I have been training partners with Victor Martinez, Jason Arntz, Kamali and a few other NPC competitors over the years.
They don't ever work out as you see in those videos. All of that stuff is just for show.
Most of them have personal trainers (high end trainers - Think Victor Muñoz and Charles Glass), that give them routines that they have them follow, which tend to change as contest time approaches.
In terms of diet, they also don't eat as healthy as these videos have you believe. A lot of these guys eat like pigs and have a large dependency on the GH to keep them at low bodyfat levels even when stuffing their faces with mcdonalds. They do employ contest prep "gurus" (Think Chris Aceto or Palumbo) for last minute, as in 2 months out, dieting techniques.
One thing they actually do is employ the use of a shit ton of drugs. Moderate is not even prescribed to when it comes to these guys. They work towards gaining an edge above the rest and great genetics doesn't cut it when every guy on stage has amazing genetics.
They DO employ the use of esiclene and synthol. The best guys just know how to hide (use) it very VERY well.
A lot of these guys also do private training sessions with schmoes for extra money. NOT Gay-4-pay, just training sessions with adamant fanboys.
Mike's videos are great, but the real truth of bodybuilding is always left out of all these videos (not just his). A lot of stupid, young kids fall for the hype and think they can do the same as these guys with just training, good nutrition, a few stupid supplements and a gallon of water in hand.
The only exception to all of this is Bob Chick. That is one man that actually does more than just pretend in these videos. He is a business man that spends a lot of time promoting the sport and himself. He is one of the few that long after his body will have expired for competition purposes, will have a steady source of income from various companies that still employ him for his services.
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This post should be sent out to every person that registers here and also stickied - no homo :D
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Yes.
I have been training partners with Victor Martinez, Jason Arntz, Kamali and a few other NPC competitors over the years.
They don't ever work out as you see in those videos. All of that stuff is just for show.
Most of them have personal trainers (high end trainers - Think Victor Muñoz and Charles Glass), that give them routines that they have them follow, which tend to change as contest time approaches.
In terms of diet, they also don't eat as healthy as these videos have you believe. A lot of these guys eat like pigs and have a large dependency on the GH to keep them at low bodyfat levels even when stuffing their faces with mcdonalds. They do employ contest prep "gurus" (Think Chris Aceto or Palumbo) for last minute, as in 2 months out, dieting techniques.
One thing they actually do is employ the use of a shit ton of drugs. Moderate is not even prescribed to when it comes to these guys. They work towards gaining an edge above the rest and great genetics doesn't cut it when every guy on stage has amazing genetics.
They DO employ the use of esiclene and synthol. The best guys just know how to hide (use) it very VERY well.
A lot of these guys also do private training sessions with schmoes for extra money. NOT Gay-4-pay, just training sessions with adamant fanboys.
Mike's videos are great, but the real truth of bodybuilding is always left out of all these videos (not just his). A lot of stupid, young kids fall for the hype and think they can do the same as these guys with just training, good nutrition, a few stupid supplements and a gallon of water in hand.
The only exception to all of this is Bob Chick. That is one man that actually does more than just pretend in these videos. He is a business man that spends a lot of time promoting the sport and himself. He is one of the few that long after his body will have expired for competition purposes, will have a steady source of income from various companies that still employ him for his services.
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Jason Arntz couldn't hide it (his use of magic potion in his delts), nor did he have exceptional genetics, they were quite crappy to tell the truth.
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No.
I am just a flamboyant homosexual that used to like to working out in the style of a bodybuilder.
I met Victor through his trainer Victor Muñoz, who I employed for a few years to train me (he is pretty good). I then met Jason Arntz through Victor, while at his gym. I met kamali at this old NYC gym that doesn't exist anymore (Johnny Lats) and also met Rob Lopez there. I also trained with Kai Greene once before and he was a very pleasant guy, but that Oscar guy was a real cunt and would brainwash him into believing that anyone else, besides him, means Kai harm (distraction or guiding in the wrong fashion) in terms of his training.
It's been maybe 6 years since I last trained with any IFBB pro or even trained like that of a bodybuilder. The reason why I stopped training in that fashion was because I realized that unless I injected the same type of drugs that these guys used, I was never going to be as big as they were.
Now, I stick to boxing and JiuJitsu and look/feel like a normal person and have way more functional strength and flexibility.
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Autobiographically outed.
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Louis' the man - I have yet to see a more elegant and witty shit slinger that gives of a concerned aura.
BB's are attention whores to the max - give them a stage and they'll "perform"...
given that you think of wasting food, being overweight, drug abusing and selling stratospheric lies as a performance.
;D ;D ;D
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Jason Arntz couldn't hide it (his use of magic potion in his delts), nor did he have exceptional genetics, they were quite crappy to tell the truth.
he was a good teenager was quite large by 20 or so,legs and delts were very good then,,went overboard with the squared of delt look for a while,he had pretty good genes ,,and got ripped to shreds in 90's won some big classes.
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absolutely, 100% false, unless you actually mean people on getbig.com
highschool age kids, ie basically everyone who "goes into" bodybuilding, are largely clueless.
X2.
On the one hand, the video has a good look and sound to it. It's well edited, and bills itself as an inside look at a 'day in [Kai's] life.' Moreover, I understand that the “documentary” is aimed toward an unsophisticated audience. However, on the other hand, it is precisely because of this targeting that I am sympathetic to concerns over the filmmaker's “storytelling.”
The issue I have is not whether the video’s narrative is obligated to expose bodybuilding’s seamy underbelly in the interest of full disclosure or absolute “truth,” but rather whether it contributes to a naïve romanticization of professional bodybuilding by sweeping all the sordid stuff under the rug.
Subsequently, to the initiated, the video smacks of disingenuous mythmaking; while to uninitiated, and soft-headed groupies, it postures as a positive-thinking motivator by spitting out self-help platitudes. I imagine that if Norman Vincent Peale was a schmoe, he’d sound like the narrator.
Seriously, how ought one consider such comments as:
α: “Many theories have been advanced to explain the reasons for Kai’s ever-present hoodie.”
Why write this into the narrative? Was NASA burning the midnight oil on this mysterious conundrum? The video actually has Kai answer this tripe.
β: “On this particular Day in the Life, Kai begins his gym session not with cardio, but with a twelve minute warm-up for mind and body. He then performs a long and careful abdominal and stretching routine. His focus at this time is so strong that the photographer and I dare not interrupt him.”
Really, upon pain of what? Does the filmmaker think he is Sir David Attenborough filming a pride of hungry lions?
Overall, the video comes off as jejune nonsense on stilts. Still, good luck to filmmaker and his fluff-piece, juvenile fantasy video series. And the very best to Kai at the O; he's overcome circumstances that would have crushed the spirits of lesser men disinclined to do violence against the will of subtropical fruit (and allow dirty schmoes to suck his penis under a towel during his "artistic" stripping shows).
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LOL
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X2.
On the one hand, the video has a good look and sound to it. It's well edited, and bills itself as an inside look at a 'day in [Kai's] life.' Moreover, I understand that the “documentary” is aimed toward an unsophisticated audience. However, on the other hand, it is precisely because of this targeting that I am sympathetic to concerns over the filmmaker's “storytelling.”
The issue I have is not whether the video’s narrative is obligated to expose bodybuilding’s seamy underbelly in the interest of full disclosure or absolute “truth,” but rather whether it contributes to a naïve romanticization of professional bodybuilding by sweeping all the sordid stuff under the rug.
Subsequently, to the initiated, the video smacks of disingenuous mythmaking; while to uninitiated, and soft-headed groupies, it postures as a positive-thinking motivator by spitting out self-help platitudes. I imagine that if Norman Vincent Peale was a schmoe, he’d sound like the narrator.
Seriously, how ought one consider such comments as:
α: “Many theories have been advanced to explain the reasons for Kai’s ever-present hoodie.”
Why write this into the narrative? Was NASA burning the midnight oil on this mysterious conundrum? The video actually has Kai answer this tripe.
β: “On this particular Day in the Life, Kai begins his gym session not with cardio, but with a twelve minute warm-up for mind and body. He then performs a long and careful abdominal and stretching routine. His focus at this time is so strong that the photographer and I dare not interrupt him.”
Really, upon pain of what? Does the filmmaker think he is Sir David Attenborough filming a pride of hungry lions?
Overall, the video comes off as jejune nonsense on stilts. Still, good luck to filmmaker and his fluff-piece, juvenile fantasy video series. And the very best to Kai at the O; he's overcome circumstances that would have crushed the spirits of lesser men disinclined to do violence against the will of subtropical fruit.
Thanks for the feedback. That was actually a very insightful review, albeit a bit negative. You raise some good points.
"Does the filmmaker think he is Sir David Attenborough filming a pride of hungry lions?"
You haven't seen Kai when he is hungry!! LOL! But seriously, it's about having respect for a pro who is in his process. I thought that was obvious.
As for the schmoe comment...I'm a filmmaker. You are the guy who spends his time on bodybuilding forums. You do the math.
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Mike is a class act, as seen seen in this thread. Keep doing great work Mike. Guaranteed you have more fans than haters.
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Part 3 is the best
http://www.flexonline.com/training/videos/musclemeds/day-life-kai-greene-part-three
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Mike is a class act, as seen seen in this thread. Keep doing great work Mike. Guaranteed you have more fans than haters.
Thanks bro! I know that. I just like to have some fun with the haters.