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Title: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2012, 01:02:07 PM
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/national-reviews-rich-lowry-destroys-msnbcs-rachel-maddow-meet-press


LOL.   Typical left wing idiot. 

Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Dos Equis on August 13, 2012, 01:28:11 PM
That woman is awful. 

Loved Bennett's line:  Is this a private fight or can anybody get in on it.   :)
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2012, 01:36:32 PM
pretty pathetic that she can't just come out and admit she is against the cuts Obama has made to Medicare.  She wouldn't have gotten owned like that had she just said she opposed it and then went on with the same argument.

I wish like hell all these fuckers would get the fuck off the air.
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2012, 01:46:40 PM
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=435926.msg6250415#msg6250415

hasn't this already been explained to you before?


http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/jun/29/jon-runyan/jon-runyan-claims-barack-obamas-health-care-includ/

Quote
Our ruling

Runyan, repeating a Republican talking point about Obama’s health care law, said there are "$500 billion in Medicare cuts required to pay for this flawed legislation."

The legislation aims to slow projected spending on Medicare by more than $500 billion over a 10-year period, but it does not cut that money from the program. Medicare spending will increase over that time frame.

Still, a sliver of truth exists in this claim, because the difference in the spending will help offset costs of other provisions in the law.

We rate this claim Mostly False[/
quote]
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: blacken700 on August 13, 2012, 02:04:56 PM
one thing you can count on,if 333386 post it, it's probably not true ;D
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Fury on August 13, 2012, 02:10:55 PM
She got owned. 240 and StrawAnus on suicide watch.
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2012, 02:11:07 PM
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=435926.msg6250415#msg6250415

one thing you can count on,if 333386 post it, it's probably not true ;D
If this is true, why the hell didn't madcow respond with it?
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2012, 02:23:13 PM
 :).  Obamas spokeswoman admiited it was true.
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2012, 02:25:48 PM
:).  Obamas spokeswoman admiited it was true.

333 how are we supposed to believe anything you say when you imagine and make up 98% of the shit you post on here and the other 2% is usually you just not understanding what was said

if your statement is true then you should easily be able to post a link
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: blacken700 on August 13, 2012, 02:28:47 PM
A discredited claim is making a comeback following the U.S. Supreme Court ruling upholding most of the national health care reform law.

U.S. Rep. Jon Runyan said in a press release on Thursday that the law, formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, makes cuts to Medicare.

"My constituents simply cannot afford the $500 billion in new tax increases and $500 billion in Medicare cuts required to pay for this flawed legislation, nor can our economy sustain the job-killing mandates and regulations it imposes," Runyan, a Republican representing parts of southern New Jersey, said in a press release.

Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, repeated the claim in his statement about the high court’s ruling, saying "Obamacare cuts Medicare - cuts Medicare by approximately $500 billion dollars." 

Both claims distort the truth, as our PolitiFact colleagues have found many times.

The law aims to slow future growth in Medicare spending. It does not cut from the Medicare program.

The health care law made several changes to Medicare, which provides health insurance for millions of seniors and people under 65 receiving Social Security disability payments.

Some of the changes will increase Medicare spending to help cover prevention services and to fill the so-called doughnut hole, a gap in prescription drug coverage for some enrollees, according to a tutorial by Tricia Neuman, vice president and director of the Medicare Policy Project for the Kaiser Family Foundation, an independent group that analyzes the health care system.

Other changes aim to reduce growth in Medicare spending, by more than $500 billion over 10 years, though estimates of the future savings vary.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, or CBO, and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services have both released reports since the health care law passed showing that the Affordable Care Act will reduce future spending growth on Medicare by more than $500 billion.

The Affordable Care Act "contains numerous provisions that, on balance, will reduce federal spending on Medicare," the CBO said in a June 2012 report.

The biggest portion of that savings, according to Neuman’s tutorial, will come from reducing annual increases in payments to medical providers.     

But the health care law does not cut $500 billion from Medicare. It just reduces future growth.

With the law, Medicare spending will still increase.

It’s important to note, as PolitiFact has found, that the savings from the reduction in Medicare spending will help offset spending on other provisions of the health care law, a point that Runyan noted in a statement to PolitiFact New Jersey.

"The CBO projects Medicare savings of approximately $500 Billion and instead of using that money to shore up the program, the savings are diverted from Medicare and used to fund other provisions of ObamaCare.  Even worse, this piece of legislation is hitting individuals, working families and small businesses with a massive tax increase that will further cripple the economy and slow job creation," Runyan said. 

Our ruling

Runyan, repeating a Republican talking point about Obama’s health care law, said there are "$500 billion in Medicare cuts required to pay for this flawed legislation."

The legislation aims to slow projected spending on Medicare by more than $500 billion over a 10-year period, but it does not cut that money from the program. Medicare spending will increase over that time frame.

Still, a sliver of truth exists in this claim, because the difference in the spending will help offset costs of other provisions in the law.

We rate this claim Mostly False
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2012, 02:39:10 PM
getting the popcorn...  Looks like suicide watch has been tossed back to the fury/3333 camp lol...
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Fury on August 13, 2012, 02:45:45 PM
getting the popcorn...  Looks like suicide watch has been tossed back to the fury/3333 camp lol...

Me? Do you think I care about anything Rachel Maddow says? I find it funny as certain posters have a cult-like worship of her.

A discredited claim is making a comeback following the U.S. Supreme Court ruling upholding most of the national health care reform law.

U.S. Rep. Jon Runyan said in a press release on Thursday that the law, formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, makes cuts to Medicare.

"My constituents simply cannot afford the $500 billion in new tax increases and $500 billion in Medicare cuts required to pay for this flawed legislation, nor can our economy sustain the job-killing mandates and regulations it imposes," Runyan, a Republican representing parts of southern New Jersey, said in a press release.

Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, repeated the claim in his statement about the high court’s ruling, saying "Obamacare cuts Medicare - cuts Medicare by approximately $500 billion dollars." 

Both claims distort the truth, as our PolitiFact colleagues have found many times.

The law aims to slow future growth in Medicare spending. It does not cut from the Medicare program.

The health care law made several changes to Medicare, which provides health insurance for millions of seniors and people under 65 receiving Social Security disability payments.

Some of the changes will increase Medicare spending to help cover prevention services and to fill the so-called doughnut hole, a gap in prescription drug coverage for some enrollees, according to a tutorial by Tricia Neuman, vice president and director of the Medicare Policy Project for the Kaiser Family Foundation, an independent group that analyzes the health care system.

Other changes aim to reduce growth in Medicare spending, by more than $500 billion over 10 years, though estimates of the future savings vary.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, or CBO, and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services have both released reports since the health care law passed showing that the Affordable Care Act will reduce future spending growth on Medicare by more than $500 billion.

The Affordable Care Act "contains numerous provisions that, on balance, will reduce federal spending on Medicare," the CBO said in a June 2012 report.

The biggest portion of that savings, according to Neuman’s tutorial, will come from reducing annual increases in payments to medical providers.     

But the health care law does not cut $500 billion from Medicare. It just reduces future growth.

With the law, Medicare spending will still increase.

It’s important to note, as PolitiFact has found, that the savings from the reduction in Medicare spending will help offset spending on other provisions of the health care law, a point that Runyan noted in a statement to PolitiFact New Jersey.

"The CBO projects Medicare savings of approximately $500 Billion and instead of using that money to shore up the program, the savings are diverted from Medicare and used to fund other provisions of ObamaCare.  Even worse, this piece of legislation is hitting individuals, working families and small businesses with a massive tax increase that will further cripple the economy and slow job creation," Runyan said. 

Our ruling

Runyan, repeating a Republican talking point about Obama’s health care law, said there are "$500 billion in Medicare cuts required to pay for this flawed legislation."

The legislation aims to slow projected spending on Medicare by more than $500 billion over a 10-year period, but it does not cut that money from the program. Medicare spending will increase over that time frame.

Still, a sliver of truth exists in this claim, because the difference in the spending will help offset costs of other provisions in the law.

We rate this claim Mostly False


Lol at you thinking a fact checker means anything. Fact checkers easily the sorriest thing to come out of the MSM in years. Can't say I'm surprised you reference them so often.
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2012, 04:59:28 PM
Me? Do you think I care about anything Rachel Maddow says? I find it funny as certain posters have a cult-like worship of her.

Why would you think I think you care about madcow? ::)  Dude just tossed the shit back at you.  Don't talk to me about it lol.  crunch crunch lol....
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2012, 05:02:16 PM
oh...... lol.... fact checkers suck except for when they agree with me ahahahahaha what a fucking cop out.... Instead of actually addressing what is said in the fact check, just discredit the entire activity of fact checking lol....

BRILLIANT FURY!!!!
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Fury on August 13, 2012, 05:03:08 PM
Why would you think I think you care about madcow? ::)  Dude just tossed the shit back at you.  Don't talk to me about it lol.  crunch crunch lol....

Tossed what at me? A MSM fact-checker? Excuse me while I have a good laugh over the fact that you place some degree of importance on them.

Amazing that all you have to do is label something a "fact checker" and people assign credibility to it...the same people who deride that same MSM organization for the trash it publishes.

oh...... lol.... fact checkers suck except for when the agree with me ahahahahaha what a fucking cop out.... Instead of actually addressing what is said in the fact check, just discredit the entire activity of fact checking lol....

BRILLIANT FURY!!!!

I don't think I've referenced a fact checker on here. Could be wrong but if I am, feel free to call it an "evolution" on the subject.

I didn't bother reading it because:

1) It's not sourced. (If I had to guess, it looks to be from WaPo, a bastion of far-left idiocy)
2) I don't read anything beyond the first sentence of Simple Jack's posts. Oddly enough, I also don't read anything written by fourth graders.
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2012, 05:13:48 PM
Tossed what at me? A MSM fact-checker? Excuse me while I have a good laugh over the fact that you place some degree of importance on them.

Amazing that all you have to do is label something a "fact checker" and people assign credibility to it...the same people who deride that same MSM organization for the trash it publishes.

I don't think I've referenced a fact checker on here. Could be wrong but if I am, feel free to call it an "evolution" on the subject.

I didn't bother reading it because:

1) It's not sourced. (If I had to guess, it looks to be from WaPo, a bastion of far-left idiocy)
2) I don't read anything beyond the first sentence of Simple Jack's posts. Oddly enough, I also don't read anything written by fourth graders.
Nice meltdown buddy. 

the source is politifact.  A source I have seen both left and right use frequently.  But that's not the point.  Information was posted that you are saying you're unwilling to even look at lol....

What a sorry sorry pathetic excuse lol...  Who gives a rat's ass who said it, is it right or wrong, that's the only thing that matters.  Ball was tossed back to you guys and you just said, "I'm not looking, I'm not looking!!" lol
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2012, 05:21:11 PM
Tossed what at me? A MSM fact-checker? Excuse me while I have a good laugh over the fact that you place some degree of importance on them.

Amazing that all you have to do is label something a "fact checker" and people assign credibility to it...the same people who deride that same MSM organization for the trash it publishes.

I don't think I've referenced a fact checker on here. Could be wrong but if I am, feel free to call it an "evolution" on the subject.

I didn't bother reading it because:

1) It's not sourced. (If I had to guess, it looks to be from WaPo, a bastion of far-left idiocy)2) I don't read anything beyond the first sentence of Simple Jack's posts. Oddly enough, I also don't read anything written by fourth graders.

if you're referring to PolitiFact the sources are all on the right hand side of the page


http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/jun/29/jon-runyan/jon-runyan-claims-barack-obamas-health-care-includ/

About this statement:
Published: Friday, June 29th, 2012 at 7:30 a.m.

Subjects: Health Care

Sources:

U.S. Rep. Jon Runyan, Runyan Statement on ObamaCare Supreme Court Ruling, June 28, 2012

E-mail interview with Andrew Fasoli, spokesman for U.S. Rep. Jon Runyan, June 28, 2012

Congressional Budget Office, CBO’s Analysis of the Major Health Care Legislation
Enacted in March 2010, March 30, 2011

PolitiFact Florida, Chamber says Bill Nelson voted to cut Medicare $500 billion, May 15, 2012

PolitiFact, Did President Barack Obama "steal" $500 billion from Medicare?, Sept. 12, 2011

Bloomberg, Medicare Scare Ad Makes False Claim of Cuts for Seniors, June 28, 2012
       
Congressional Budget Office, Selected CBO Publications Related to Health Care Legislation, 2009–2010, December 2010

The Kaiser Family Foundation, Health Reform and Medicare: Overview of Key Provisions, July 2010

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, Estimated Impact of Health Care Reform Proposals, April 22, 2010

HuffingtonPost.com, Romney response to Supreme Court on health care, June 28, 2012

PolitiFact Virginia, American Crossroads says Tim Kaine urged $500 billion in Medicare cuts, June 20, 2012

Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, Estimated Financial Effects of the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act," as Amended, April 22, 2010

Congressional Budget Office, The 2012 Long-Term Budget Outlook, June 2012

WashingtonPost.com, Mitt Romney: I will repeal health-care law, June 28, 2012


 

Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Fury on August 13, 2012, 05:29:18 PM
Nice meltdown buddy. 

the source is politifact.  A source I have seen both left and right use frequently.  But that's not the point.  Information was posted that you are saying you're unwilling to even look at lol....

What a sorry sorry pathetic excuse lol...  Who gives a rat's ass who said it, is it right or wrong, that's the only thing that matters.  Ball was tossed back to you guys and you just said, "I'm not looking, I'm not looking!!" lol

Not a meltdown. I have better things to do than read posts written by simpletons who have the grammatical skills of children. Their posts just aren't "relevent".
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2012, 05:38:53 PM
lol....

almost as gay of an excuse as this song. It fits you though  ;D

Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2012, 05:43:37 PM
Not a meltdown. I have better things to do than read posts written by simpletons who have the grammatical skills of children. Their posts just aren't "relevent".

LOL - back to complaining about trivial typing errors when you have no other argument

Since typing accuracy is so important to you can you explain what "spell the world correctly" means

normally I would never bring up such nonsense but I know that things like this are really important to you so this must intentional on your part and I'm just not familiar with that phrase

I find it funny that you're talking about something when you can't even spell the world correctly. It's cute.

No wonder you drive a 20-year-old beater.
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Fury on August 13, 2012, 05:47:31 PM
LOL - back to complaining about trivial typing errors when you have no other argument

Since typing accuracy is so important to you can you explain what "spell the world correctly" means

normally I would never bring up such nonsense but I know that things this are really important to you so this must intentional on your part and I'm just not familiar with that phrase


That's called "typing on an iPhone on a train to NYC".
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2012, 05:51:54 PM
LOL @ Fury....

I can just say whatever the hell I want but I'm not going to read your reply because you don't matter and I do....


oh how special...

 :-X
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2012, 05:53:59 PM
That's called "typing on an iPhone on a train to NYC".

by your own argument such an error should disqualify you from the discussion

how is one ever supposed to know what you mean when you spell a word wrong

I mean relevent and relevant is easy to understand - at least they both sound the same

word and world are two completely different words

do you see how completely stupid you appear when all you've got left is to piss and moan about typing errors?
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Fury on August 13, 2012, 06:00:53 PM
LOL @ Fury....

I can just say whatever the hell I want but I'm not going to read your reply because you don't matter and I do....


oh how special...

 :-X

Does it bother you? Sorry that I don't place much relevEnce in anything you say.
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2012, 06:05:33 PM
Obama pcare is funded by tax increases And robbing Medicare.    FACT.
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: blacken700 on August 13, 2012, 06:13:06 PM
Obama pcare is funded by tax increases And robbing Medicare.    FACT.

proven wrong.  fiction  ;D
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2012, 06:14:03 PM
Does it bother you? Sorry that I don't place much relevEnce in anything you say.

Why would I be bothered that when you run out of arguments you make an ass of yourself pissing about typos.   I'll admit it is amusing though that in the middle of making an ass of yourself you can't even be bothered to find your own typos
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2012, 06:24:02 PM
Why would I be bothered that when you run out of arguments you make an ass of yourself pissing about typos.   I'll admit it is amusing though that in the middle of making an ass of yourself you can't even be bothered to find your own typos


ObamaCare is financed by tax increases and taking money from Medicare. 
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2012, 06:34:07 PM
Does it bother you? Sorry that I don't place much relevEnce in anything you say.
I'm sorry, I'm just lmao ;D

Oh, I can't reply to a fact check.  I've never posted a fact check.  uh... your spelling is off, I can't reply to you... uh, I don't care what you say, you're not important to me... der... uh....


HAHAHAHAHAHA....

fucking priceless self ownage even if the factcheck is bullshit.  The way you just tried to squirm your way here rather than just say where it's wrong... lololol...

what a weasel.
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2012, 06:35:23 PM

That factchcek is pure crap.   It's a lie and a fraud.   ObamaCare was passed by a massive tax increase abd cut in Medicare as well as robbing doctors. 


I'm sorry, I'm just lmao ;D

Oh, I can't reply to a fact check.  I've never posted a fact check.  uh... your spelling is off, I can't reply to you... uh, I don't care what you say, you're not important to me... der... uh....


HAHAHAHAHAHA....

fucking priceless self ownage even if the factcheck is bullshit.  The way you just tried to squirm your way here rather than just say where it's wrong... lololol...

what a weasel.
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2012, 07:03:12 PM
That factchcek is pure crap.   It's a lie and a fraud.   ObamaCare was passed by a massive tax increase abd cut in Medicare as well as robbing doctors.  


cool circle jerk you all got going on... Tony sticks up for you, you stick up for fury and fury jerks off whoever is around that day...  It's amazing how many times I reply to you, tony or fury and end up getting a reply from another of the three amigos lol.

If it's pure crap, show why it's pure crap...  I'm sorry but don't expect people to just take your word for it.  You might be right, fucking show it man.  Jerk that boy lol...
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Fury on August 13, 2012, 07:04:03 PM
cool circle jerk you all got going on... Tony sticks up for you, you stick up for fury and fury jerks off whoever is around that day...  It's amazing how many times I reply to you, tony or fury and end up getting a reply from another of the three amigos lol.

Tinfoil hat boy sounds a little upset.
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2012, 07:06:21 PM
Tinfoil hat boy sounds a little upset.
Ohh.. ouch... lol I'm so hurt :D
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Kazan on August 13, 2012, 07:07:39 PM
I think the problem with the site is, who's facts is it checking  ;D, you know both parties have their own facts
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2012, 07:07:59 PM
take Democrat Kent Conrad for it!   he called ObamaCare a scam.  



cool circle jerk you all got going on... Tony sticks up for you, you stick up for fury and fury jerks off whoever is around that day...  It's amazing how many times I reply to you, tony or fury and end up getting a reply from another of the three amigos lol.

If it's pure crap, show why it's pure crap...  I'm sorry but don't expect people to just take your word for it.  You might be right, fucking show it man.  Jerk that boy lol...
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: blacken700 on August 13, 2012, 07:10:15 PM
berzurk fury is the spinner boy of the circle jerk
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Kazan on August 13, 2012, 07:10:21 PM
Anyone with minimal cognitive ability know it's a scam. It's just the gateway to a government take over of healthcare
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2012, 07:11:11 PM
take Democrat Kent Conrad for it!   he called ObamaCare a scam.  



ok, post where in what he said disproves what was posted in the fact check.  That should be easy.

Here's a box of tissues, you and fury might need it to clean eachother off ;D
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Fury on August 13, 2012, 07:12:01 PM
Ohh.. ouch... lol I'm so hurt :D

I like how badly you're failing at trying to tag team me with StrawAnus.

Keep swinging, slick. Maybe you should make another poll asking if you should stay as moderator (we know how that turned out).
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2012, 07:13:05 PM
ok, post where in what he said disproves what was posted in the fact check.  That should be easy.

Here's a box of tissues, you and fury might need it to clean eachother off ;D

I bumped it.  Now eat shit
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: blacken700 on August 13, 2012, 07:13:20 PM
ok, post where in what he said disproves what was posted in the fact check.  That should be easy.

Here's a box of tissues, you and fury might need it to clean eachother off ;D

no tissues needed berzerk fury won't let that shit go to waste  :D :D
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2012, 07:15:22 PM
Anyone with minimal cognitive ability know it's a scam. It's just the gateway to a government take over of healthcare
That's all fine but what the fuck is the point of the board if we're not to show what we claim?  If all we're doing here is calling eachother stupid for not seeing what the other sees....  what a joke...

oh good god, is it that fucking hard to just post the specifics of what you see?
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2012, 07:16:27 PM
I bumped it.  Now eat shit
post it here dumbass... we're talking about it here.  You sure in fucking hell don't need any lessons on copy and paste ::)
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Fury on August 13, 2012, 07:17:08 PM
That's all fine but what the fuck is the point of the board if we're not to show what we claim?  If all we're doing here is calling eachother stupid for not seeing what the other sees....  what a joke...

oh good god, is it that fucking hard to just post the specifics of what you see?

Are you honestly posting that shit now? Where are you when all the Comedy Central clips and five dozen "Sarah Palin eats at Burger King for lunch" threads were posted?

Fucking clown.
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2012, 07:17:28 PM
That's all fine but what the fuck is the point of the board if we're not to show what we claim?  If all we're doing here is calling eachother stupid for not seeing what the other sees....  what a joke...

oh good god, is it that fucking hard to just post the specifics of what you see?

Just bumped the thread w Kent Conrad calling ObamaCare a ponzi scheme and Sebellius admitting to Medicare cuts.  


so fuck off Obama 2008 voter.  


CHECK MATE.  
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2012, 07:20:25 PM
Are you honestly posting that shit now? Where are you when all the Comedy Central clips and five dozen "Sarah Palin eats at Burger King for lunch" threads were posted?

Fucking clown.
during that time?  you had me busy as hell with your fucking trolling, then there was Jag's constant crap to deal with...  You're only slightly less obnoxious but I'll take that much ;D
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2012, 07:21:47 PM
during that time?  you had me busy as hell with your fucking trolling, then there was Jag's constant crap to deal with...  You're only slightly less obnoxious but I'll take that much ;D


I bumped the threads.   Please either admit I was right, admit straw/180/blackss are wrong or STFU. 
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Fury on August 13, 2012, 07:22:03 PM
during that time?  you had me busy as hell with your fucking trolling, then there was Jag's constant crap to deal with...  You're only slightly less obnoxious but I'll take that much ;D

I need to get back in the trolling game as this board's gone to shit.
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2012, 07:26:37 PM

I bumped the threads.   Please either admit I was right, admit straw/180/blackss are wrong or STFU. 
post it here you fucking twit.  copy paste,... you do it all day long man.  And I'm not going to admit anything because I have not claimed anything idiot.  The only thing I've claimed is that you all have not been willing to refute what is posted.  we had to have a little fit over it before you wanted to post anything.  I've made no claims to the accuracy of anything in this thread.  So eat shit.  The only thing I want to see is the shit hashed out and talked about rather than just scuffed off because, "it came from a fact check and I don't trust fact checks :'( " ::)
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2012, 07:27:17 PM
I need to get back in the trolling game as this board's gone to shit.
don't expect me to put up a fight...  go for it.
Title: Re: Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 13, 2012, 07:30:23 PM
WOLF: Obamacare vital signs starting to fade
Court puts law on the fast track to judgment day
By Dr. Milton R. Wolf
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The Washington Times
6:11 p.m., Monday, March 7, 2011
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Obamacare is living on borrowed time, and even its most ardent supporters are beginning to realize it. That's why they're racing to implement - and entrench - as much of the plan as possible before the laws of economics and the laws of the land and voters catch up. They're like a deadbeat renter starting a remodeling project after being evicted but before the police escort them from the premises in hopes that it gives them squatter's rights. Meanwhile, two unrelated but devastating events have caused the ground to shake beneath the feet of Obamacare supporters.

A major component of Obamacare is "totally unsustainable." Those aren't the words of Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin; no, those belong to the Obama administration's own chief cheerleader, Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, in testimony before the Senate Finance Committee. The program in question, the CLASS Act or Community Living Assistance Services and Support Act, is a massive long-term elderly care entitlement program that was quietly tucked into Obamacare and never got anywhere near the attention it deserves.

Sen. Kent Conrad, North Dakota Democrat, called the CLASS Act "a Ponzi scheme of the first order, the kind of thing that Bernie Madoff would have been proud of." And then he voted for it. I suspect Bernie Madoff would be proud of Kent Conrad. The White House's sleight of hand goes like this: CLASS Act taxes begin in Year 1 but the benefits don't begin until Year 6, so when 10 years of revenues and five years of expenses were calculated, the Congressional Budget Office declared not only that the CLASS Act paid for itself but, as a result, Obamacare overall would reduce the deficit. However, when 10 years of revenues and expenses are counted - even accepting the White House's rosy scenario projections - the CLASS Act goes billions into the red and Obamacare itself raises rather than reduces the deficit.

Mrs. Sebelius agrees with the Medicare chief actuary that the program "is at a significant risk for failure" with or without the accounting gimmick but - channeling the spirit of Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez - she claims the law gives her "administrative flexibility" to bypass Congress and the American voters and rewrite the law to her liking. Such power.

In separate testimony last week, the HHS secretary admitted to double-counting Obamacare's cooked books. The question posed was whether a $500 billion cut in Medicare should be counted toward preserving Medicare or funding the new law. Her own actuary previously acknowledged they must choose one or the other. Mrs. Sebelius' reply? "Both."

Several hundred miles away in Florida, federal Judge Roger Vinson dealt yet another blow to Mr. Obama's health care crown jewel. It was Judge Vinson, of course, who in January declared Obamacare to be unconstitutional. Many from the victorious 26 states that brought the lawsuit have sought to expedite final resolution of the case in the Supreme Court, but the White House has resisted with hopes of delaying their day of reckoning. Instead, the best and the brightest lawyers in the administration opted to request clarification from Judge Vinson regarding his ruling and its effect on implementation. If there's one thing a squatter knows, it's how to stall.

It would be understandable for Judge Vinson to take exception to this tactic since he had already declared quite clearly that "the award of declaratory relief is adequate and separate injunctive relief is not necessary." In other words, once a law is declared unconstitutional, the only option is to stop implementing it.

This week, the White House was smacked with a painful lesson: Be careful what you wish for. Judge Vinson interpreted the administration's request for clarification as a request to stay his own ruling and he granted it - with a big catch. Judge Vinson, saying "the citizens of this country have an interest in having this case resolved as soon as practically possible," has given the White House exactly one week to request that the case be expedited to the appellate court or the Supreme Court or halt Obamacare implementation.

Regrettably, Judge Vinson stopped short of demanding a complete injunction, which not only would have achieved his goal of expediting the case to the Supreme Court but also would have saved taxpayers billions of dollars in the meantime. Still, the administration's bluff has been called.

In case the White House is still unclear, let me offer them the clarification they seek: Get this case to the Supreme Court now and, unless you do, stop spending billions we don't have on an unconstitutional law.

Obamacare may be the crowning achievement of the big-government crowd erecting their ever-expanding entitlement state, but the laws of economics and the laws of the land are racing to see which will take it down first - that is, if the voters don't beat them to it. Even its most ardent supporters call the plan "a Ponzi scheme" and "totally unsustainable" and its date with Supreme Court destiny is about to be fast-tracked.

Obamacare is a skipping stone careening along the water's surface, but the laws of gravity - like the laws of economics and the laws of the land - will always win.

Dr. Milton R. Wolf, a Washington Times columnist, is a board-certified diagnostic radiologist and President Obama's cousin. He blogs at miltonwolf.com.

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