Rachel Madcow owned on Meet the Press over Medicare

[Soul Crusher]

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/national-reviews-rich-lowry-destroys-msnbcs-rachel-maddow-meet-press


LOL.   Typical left wing idiot. 

[Dos Equis]

That woman is awful. 

Loved Bennett's line:  Is this a private fight or can anybody get in on it.   

[Hugo Chavez]

pretty pathetic that she can't just come out and admit she is against the cuts Obama has made to Medicare.  She wouldn't have gotten owned like that had she just said she opposed it and then went on with the same argument.

I wish like hell all these fuckers would get the fuck off the air.

[Straw Man]

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=435926.msg6250415#msg6250415

hasn't this already been explained to you before?


http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/jun/29/jon-runyan/jon-runyan-claims-barack-obamas-health-care-includ/

Our ruling

Runyan, repeating a Republican talking point about Obama’s health care law, said there are "$500 billion in Medicare cuts required to pay for this flawed legislation."

The legislation aims to slow projected spending on Medicare by more than $500 billion over a 10-year period, but it does not cut that money from the program. Medicare spending will increase over that time frame.

Still, a sliver of truth exists in this claim, because the difference in the spending will help offset costs of other provisions in the law.

We rate this claim Mostly False[/quote]

[blacken700]

one thing you can count on,if 333386 post it, it's probably not true

[Fury]

She got owned. 240 and StrawAnus on suicide watch.

[Hugo Chavez]

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=435926.msg6250415#msg6250415

one thing you can count on,if 333386 post it, it's probably not true

If this is true, why the hell didn't madcow respond with it?

[Soul Crusher]

 .  Obamas spokeswoman admiited it was true.

[Straw Man]

.  Obamas spokeswoman admiited it was true.

333 how are we supposed to believe anything you say when you imagine and make up 98% of the shit you post on here and the other 2% is usually you just not understanding what was said

if your statement is true then you should easily be able to post a link

[blacken700]

A discredited claim is making a comeback following the U.S. Supreme Court ruling upholding most of the national health care reform law.

U.S. Rep. Jon Runyan said in a press release on Thursday that the law, formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, makes cuts to Medicare.

"My constituents simply cannot afford the $500 billion in new tax increases and $500 billion in Medicare cuts required to pay for this flawed legislation, nor can our economy sustain the job-killing mandates and regulations it imposes," Runyan, a Republican representing parts of southern New Jersey, said in a press release.

Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, repeated the claim in his statement about the high court’s ruling, saying "Obamacare cuts Medicare - cuts Medicare by approximately $500 billion dollars." 

Both claims distort the truth, as our PolitiFact colleagues have found many times.

The law aims to slow future growth in Medicare spending. It does not cut from the Medicare program.

The health care law made several changes to Medicare, which provides health insurance for millions of seniors and people under 65 receiving Social Security disability payments.

Some of the changes will increase Medicare spending to help cover prevention services and to fill the so-called doughnut hole, a gap in prescription drug coverage for some enrollees, according to a tutorial by Tricia Neuman, vice president and director of the Medicare Policy Project for the Kaiser Family Foundation, an independent group that analyzes the health care system.

Other changes aim to reduce growth in Medicare spending, by more than $500 billion over 10 years, though estimates of the future savings vary.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, or CBO, and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services have both released reports since the health care law passed showing that the Affordable Care Act will reduce future spending growth on Medicare by more than $500 billion.

The Affordable Care Act "contains numerous provisions that, on balance, will reduce federal spending on Medicare," the CBO said in a June 2012 report.

The biggest portion of that savings, according to Neuman’s tutorial, will come from reducing annual increases in payments to medical providers.     

But the health care law does not cut $500 billion from Medicare. It just reduces future growth.

With the law, Medicare spending will still increase.

It’s important to note, as PolitiFact has found, that the savings from the reduction in Medicare spending will help offset spending on other provisions of the health care law, a point that Runyan noted in a statement to PolitiFact New Jersey.

"The CBO projects Medicare savings of approximately $500 Billion and instead of using that money to shore up the program, the savings are diverted from Medicare and used to fund other provisions of ObamaCare.  Even worse, this piece of legislation is hitting individuals, working families and small businesses with a massive tax increase that will further cripple the economy and slow job creation," Runyan said. 

Our ruling

Runyan, repeating a Republican talking point about Obama’s health care law, said there are "$500 billion in Medicare cuts required to pay for this flawed legislation."

The legislation aims to slow projected spending on Medicare by more than $500 billion over a 10-year period, but it does not cut that money from the program. Medicare spending will increase over that time frame.

Still, a sliver of truth exists in this claim, because the difference in the spending will help offset costs of other provisions in the law.

We rate this claim Mostly False. 

[Hugo Chavez]

getting the popcorn...  Looks like suicide watch has been tossed back to the fury/3333 camp lol...

[Fury]

getting the popcorn...  Looks like suicide watch has been tossed back to the fury/3333 camp lol...

Me? Do you think I care about anything Rachel Maddow says? I find it funny as certain posters have a cult-like worship of her.

A discredited claim is making a comeback following the U.S. Supreme Court ruling upholding most of the national health care reform law.

U.S. Rep. Jon Runyan said in a press release on Thursday that the law, formally known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, makes cuts to Medicare.

"My constituents simply cannot afford the $500 billion in new tax increases and $500 billion in Medicare cuts required to pay for this flawed legislation, nor can our economy sustain the job-killing mandates and regulations it imposes," Runyan, a Republican representing parts of southern New Jersey, said in a press release.

Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, repeated the claim in his statement about the high court’s ruling, saying "Obamacare cuts Medicare - cuts Medicare by approximately $500 billion dollars." 

Both claims distort the truth, as our PolitiFact colleagues have found many times.

The law aims to slow future growth in Medicare spending. It does not cut from the Medicare program.

The health care law made several changes to Medicare, which provides health insurance for millions of seniors and people under 65 receiving Social Security disability payments.

Some of the changes will increase Medicare spending to help cover prevention services and to fill the so-called doughnut hole, a gap in prescription drug coverage for some enrollees, according to a tutorial by Tricia Neuman, vice president and director of the Medicare Policy Project for the Kaiser Family Foundation, an independent group that analyzes the health care system.

Other changes aim to reduce growth in Medicare spending, by more than $500 billion over 10 years, though estimates of the future savings vary.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, or CBO, and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services have both released reports since the health care law passed showing that the Affordable Care Act will reduce future spending growth on Medicare by more than $500 billion.

The Affordable Care Act "contains numerous provisions that, on balance, will reduce federal spending on Medicare," the CBO said in a June 2012 report.

The biggest portion of that savings, according to Neuman’s tutorial, will come from reducing annual increases in payments to medical providers.     

But the health care law does not cut $500 billion from Medicare. It just reduces future growth.

With the law, Medicare spending will still increase.

It’s important to note, as PolitiFact has found, that the savings from the reduction in Medicare spending will help offset spending on other provisions of the health care law, a point that Runyan noted in a statement to PolitiFact New Jersey.

"The CBO projects Medicare savings of approximately $500 Billion and instead of using that money to shore up the program, the savings are diverted from Medicare and used to fund other provisions of ObamaCare.  Even worse, this piece of legislation is hitting individuals, working families and small businesses with a massive tax increase that will further cripple the economy and slow job creation," Runyan said. 

Our ruling

Runyan, repeating a Republican talking point about Obama’s health care law, said there are "$500 billion in Medicare cuts required to pay for this flawed legislation."

The legislation aims to slow projected spending on Medicare by more than $500 billion over a 10-year period, but it does not cut that money from the program. Medicare spending will increase over that time frame.

Still, a sliver of truth exists in this claim, because the difference in the spending will help offset costs of other provisions in the law.

We rate this claim Mostly False. 

Lol at you thinking a fact checker means anything. Fact checkers easily the sorriest thing to come out of the MSM in years. Can't say I'm surprised you reference them so often.

[Hugo Chavez]

Me? Do you think I care about anything Rachel Maddow says? I find it funny as certain posters have a cult-like worship of her.

Why would you think I think you care about madcow?   Dude just tossed the shit back at you.  Don't talk to me about it lol.  crunch crunch lol....

[Hugo Chavez]

oh...... lol.... fact checkers suck except for when they agree with me ahahahahaha what a fucking cop out.... Instead of actually addressing what is said in the fact check, just discredit the entire activity of fact checking lol....

BRILLIANT FURY!!!!

[Fury]

Why would you think I think you care about madcow?  Dude just tossed the shit back at you.  Don't talk to me about it lol.  crunch crunch lol....

Tossed what at me? A MSM fact-checker? Excuse me while I have a good laugh over the fact that you place some degree of importance on them.

Amazing that all you have to do is label something a "fact checker" and people assign credibility to it...the same people who deride that same MSM organization for the trash it publishes.

oh...... lol.... fact checkers suck except for when the agree with me ahahahahaha what a fucking cop out.... Instead of actually addressing what is said in the fact check, just discredit the entire activity of fact checking lol....

BRILLIANT FURY!!!!

I don't think I've referenced a fact checker on here. Could be wrong but if I am, feel free to call it an "evolution" on the subject.

I didn't bother reading it because:

1) It's not sourced. (If I had to guess, it looks to be from WaPo, a bastion of far-left idiocy)
2) I don't read anything beyond the first sentence of Simple Jack's posts. Oddly enough, I also don't read anything written by fourth graders.

[Hugo Chavez]

Tossed what at me? A MSM fact-checker? Excuse me while I have a good laugh over the fact that you place some degree of importance on them.

Amazing that all you have to do is label something a "fact checker" and people assign credibility to it...the same people who deride that same MSM organization for the trash it publishes.

I don't think I've referenced a fact checker on here. Could be wrong but if I am, feel free to call it an "evolution" on the subject.

I didn't bother reading it because:

1) It's not sourced. (If I had to guess, it looks to be from WaPo, a bastion of far-left idiocy)
2) I don't read anything beyond the first sentence of Simple Jack's posts. Oddly enough, I also don't read anything written by fourth graders.

Nice meltdown buddy. 

the source is politifact.  A source I have seen both left and right use frequently.  But that's not the point.  Information was posted that you are saying you're unwilling to even look at lol....

What a sorry sorry pathetic excuse lol...  Who gives a rat's ass who said it, is it right or wrong, that's the only thing that matters.  Ball was tossed back to you guys and you just said, "I'm not looking, I'm not looking!!" lol

[Straw Man]

Tossed what at me? A MSM fact-checker? Excuse me while I have a good laugh over the fact that you place some degree of importance on them.

Amazing that all you have to do is label something a "fact checker" and people assign credibility to it...the same people who deride that same MSM organization for the trash it publishes.

I don't think I've referenced a fact checker on here. Could be wrong but if I am, feel free to call it an "evolution" on the subject.

I didn't bother reading it because:

1) It's not sourced. (If I had to guess, it looks to be from WaPo, a bastion of far-left idiocy)2) I don't read anything beyond the first sentence of Simple Jack's posts. Oddly enough, I also don't read anything written by fourth graders.

if you're referring to PolitiFact the sources are all on the right hand side of the page


http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/jun/29/jon-runyan/jon-runyan-claims-barack-obamas-health-care-includ/

About this statement:
Published: Friday, June 29th, 2012 at 7:30 a.m.

Subjects: Health Care

Sources:

U.S. Rep. Jon Runyan, Runyan Statement on ObamaCare Supreme Court Ruling, June 28, 2012

E-mail interview with Andrew Fasoli, spokesman for U.S. Rep. Jon Runyan, June 28, 2012

Congressional Budget Office, CBO’s Analysis of the Major Health Care Legislation
Enacted in March 2010, March 30, 2011

PolitiFact Florida, Chamber says Bill Nelson voted to cut Medicare $500 billion, May 15, 2012

PolitiFact, Did President Barack Obama "steal" $500 billion from Medicare?, Sept. 12, 2011

Bloomberg, Medicare Scare Ad Makes False Claim of Cuts for Seniors, June 28, 2012
       
Congressional Budget Office, Selected CBO Publications Related to Health Care Legislation, 2009–2010, December 2010

The Kaiser Family Foundation, Health Reform and Medicare: Overview of Key Provisions, July 2010

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, Estimated Impact of Health Care Reform Proposals, April 22, 2010

HuffingtonPost.com, Romney response to Supreme Court on health care, June 28, 2012

PolitiFact Virginia, American Crossroads says Tim Kaine urged $500 billion in Medicare cuts, June 20, 2012

Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, Estimated Financial Effects of the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act," as Amended, April 22, 2010

Congressional Budget Office, The 2012 Long-Term Budget Outlook, June 2012

WashingtonPost.com, Mitt Romney: I will repeal health-care law, June 28, 2012


 

[Fury]

Nice meltdown buddy. 

the source is politifact.  A source I have seen both left and right use frequently.  But that's not the point.  Information was posted that you are saying you're unwilling to even look at lol....

What a sorry sorry pathetic excuse lol...  Who gives a rat's ass who said it, is it right or wrong, that's the only thing that matters.  Ball was tossed back to you guys and you just said, "I'm not looking, I'm not looking!!" lol

Not a meltdown. I have better things to do than read posts written by simpletons who have the grammatical skills of children. Their posts just aren't "relevent".

[Hugo Chavez]

lol....

almost as gay of an excuse as this song. It fits you though 

[Straw Man]

Not a meltdown. I have better things to do than read posts written by simpletons who have the grammatical skills of children. Their posts just aren't "relevent".

LOL - back to complaining about trivial typing errors when you have no other argument

Since typing accuracy is so important to you can you explain what "spell the world correctly" means

normally I would never bring up such nonsense but I know that things like this are really important to you so this must intentional on your part and I'm just not familiar with that phrase

I find it funny that you're talking about something when you can't even spell the world correctly. It's cute.

No wonder you drive a 20-year-old beater.

[Fury]

LOL - back to complaining about trivial typing errors when you have no other argument

Since typing accuracy is so important to you can you explain what "spell the world correctly" means

normally I would never bring up such nonsense but I know that things this are really important to you so this must intentional on your part and I'm just not familiar with that phrase

That's called "typing on an iPhone on a train to NYC".

[Hugo Chavez]

LOL @ Fury....

I can just say whatever the hell I want but I'm not going to read your reply because you don't matter and I do....


oh how special...

 

[Straw Man]

That's called "typing on an iPhone on a train to NYC".

by your own argument such an error should disqualify you from the discussion

how is one ever supposed to know what you mean when you spell a word wrong

I mean relevent and relevant is easy to understand - at least they both sound the same

word and world are two completely different words

do you see how completely stupid you appear when all you've got left is to piss and moan about typing errors?

[Fury]

LOL @ Fury....

I can just say whatever the hell I want but I'm not going to read your reply because you don't matter and I do....


oh how special...

 

Does it bother you? Sorry that I don't place much relevEnce in anything you say.

[Soul Crusher]

Obama pcare is funded by tax increases And robbing Medicare.    FACT.