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Follows the pattern of, on balance, conservatives being more charitable than liberals.
Romney Charitable Giving Has Vastly Outpaced Obama’s
by KEITH KOFFLER on AUGUST 17, 2012
The Obama campaign is assailing Gov. Mitt Romney for failing to release his taxes and for paying only around a 15 percent rate, but it fails to note one of the reasons for Romney’s relatively moderate payment: He donates enormous sums of tax-deductible money to charity.
In fact, during a comparable period before Obama and Romney were running for president, Romney’s giving probably was at least ten times Obama’s as a percentage of their incomes, and possibly much more.
Romney has stated that he has long given at least 10 percent of his earnings to his Mormon church. Assuming this is true – and he’d probably have to be classified as a pathological liar if it’s not – the Romneys’ giving has dwarfed that of the Obamas, whose charitable contributions only increased in direct proportion to President Obama’s political activity.
According to an analysis of Obama’s tax returns by White House Dossier, the Obamas in the five years from 2000 to 2004 gave only in the range of 0.4 percent to 1.4 percent of their adjusted gross income to charity.
And the Obamas were hardly paupers during these years, most of which show earnings of well over $200,000. They gave less than the average for that income range, which has been estimated at close to 3 percent.
In 2005, Obama’s first year as a U.S. senator, the Obamas upped their giving to 4.7 percent of income. His income also raced up to $1.66 million owing to his celebrity-induced book sales. But the increase in giving is more likely related to Obama’s political ambitions, since on average those who make more than $1 million don’t donate much more as a percentage of their income than those making in the $200,000 range.
Even in the the years he was running for president, Obama gave less than Romney has in the past two years. The Obamas’ giving totaled 5.8 percent of income in 2007, when he made $4.1 million, and 6.5 percent of the $2.6 million he earned in 2008.
Romney’s estimated 2011 tax return shows he gave 19.2 percent of his income to charity, while his 2010 return puts his giving at 13.8 percent of his income.
Only in the past two years have the Obamas finally started giving comprable amounts, donating 14 percent of their income in 2010 and 21.8 percent in 2011.
Meanwhile, Vice President Biden has not allowed political considerations to affect his stinginess. The Bidens gave 1.5 percent of their income to charity in 2011.
http://www.whitehousedossier.com/
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Other than taking Romneys word on his charitable giving, how do we know that it's actually true
Romney has a track record when it comes to lying about his taxes so only a fool would take his word on the subject
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Other than taking Romneys word on his charitable giving, how do we know that it's actually true
Romney has a track record when it comes to lying about his taxes so only a fool would take his word on the subject
LOL from an obamabot
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LOL from an obamabot
when did I mention Obama ?
btw - since when do truly religious people brag about donating to their church
I wouldn't be suprised if Romney donations are set up so that the church turns around and spends the money in a way that directly benefits Romney
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Other than taking Romneys word on his charitable giving, how do we know that it's actually true
Romney has a track record when it comes to lying about his taxes so only a fool would take his word on the subject
Charity and non profit organizations don't mean shit really.....there's a number of charities that are in reality, political think tanks and lobbying organizations.
Now, if he released his tax forms, we would know exactly what organizations he donated too.... ::)
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Charity and non profit organizations don't mean shit really.....there's a number of charities that are in reality, political think tanks and lobbying organizations.
Now, if he released his tax forms, we would know exactly what organizations he donated too.... ::)
If Gaybama released his college records we would know if he was a foreign exchange student, whether he failed out, got horrible grades, etc.
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I thought it wasn't important to Jesus for a man to brag about his donations?
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Other than taking Romneys word on his charitable giving, how do we know that it's actually true
Romney has a track record when it comes to lying about his taxes so only a fool would take his word on the subject
I see how this works, the left accuses romney of something and its up to romney to prove them wrong.
Romney claims something and its up to him to prove it right.
Very clever trick you libtards do there...::)
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I see how this works, the left accuses romney of something and its up to romney to prove them wrong.
Romney claims something and its up to him to prove it right.
Very clever trick you libtards do there...::)
Isn't that what Birthers did to Obama?
They accuse him of being ineligible and hound him SO long that he HAS to release his Birth Certificate?
Sounds about the same to me anyway.
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Isn't that what Birthers did to Obama?
They accuse him of being ineligible and hound him SO long that he HAS to release his Birth Certificate?
Sounds about the same to me anyway.
yup and just like I said if there was any truth to it someone would have come forward with the evidence.
You think Hilary wouldnt have pinned obamas ass to the wall if she could have with that?
Same with romney and his taxes...
I never agreed with the birther movement so I dont know why your bringing this to me.
If you disagreed with that then logically you should disagree with obamas bullshit romney tax issue, right?
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yup and just like I said if there was any truth to it someone would have come forward with the evidence.
You think Hilary wouldnt have pinned obamas ass to the wall if she could have with that?
Same with romney and his taxes...
I never agreed with the birther movement so I dont know why your bringing this to me.
If you disagreed with that then logically you should disagree with obamas bullshit romney tax issue, right?
1. I have already gone on record and said I disagree with this tax bullshit... There was a thread about it yesterday where I said it was retarded.
2. I didn't say "you", but enough people harped and harped on it and eventually Obama released that certificate.
Since he DID release it, if enough people harp on these taxes, will Romney release those?
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1. I have already gone on record and said I disagree with this tax bullshit... There was a thread about it yesterday where I said it was retarded.
2. I didn't say "you", but enough people harped and harped on it and eventually Obama released that certificate.
Since he DID release it, if enough people harp on these taxes, will Romney release those?
I seriously doubt it but if he did it would probably be after the election if he won...Just like obama did.
I think it was smart of obama not to release it, it made the ppl yelling about him being born in Kenya look foolish. If I were him I would have not released it, it would still be yet another arrow in his quiver to keep attention off of his horrible handling of the economy.
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I seriously doubt it but if he did it would probably be after the election if he won...Just like obama did.
I think it was smart of obama not to release it, it made the ppl yelling about him being born in Kenya look foolish. If I were him I would have not released it, it would still be yet another arrow in his quiver to keep attention off of his horrible handling of the economy.
I wouldn't have released it either... I would have given the middle finger to every moron who kept saying it, but he did.
I'm just saying that it seems like in this instance, the reasoning behind what each side is saying is the same as Obama's BC, but since the OTHER side wants it now, all of a sudden it makes sense?
I'm tired of the hypocrisy these fuckers have.
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Every candidate for POTUS in the modern era has released many years of tax returns
Romney is crying about a standard virtually established by his own father who said:
“ One year could be a fluke, perhaps done for show. ”
Romney can certainly refuse to release his returns but he can't piss and moan about being held to the same standard as every other person in recent history to run for the office
Nelson Rockefeller released 5 years of his returns and he was far more wealthy than Romney
Romeny will be dogged by this up until the day he concedes the election
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Did I miss something? Is this article counting the money he's pretty much supposed to give to his cult as charity? But even that we just take his word for it while they look at Obama's tax returns to see exactly how much he gives? lol?
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Does he know that charity donations can be set against tax in most countries ?
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Non-sense, it is his money that he gives away.
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if he is wealthier then it would be easier (at least in numerical terms) although probably harder to pay tax
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hahahahahhaa TA nailed it perfectly!!!!!!!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=437046.0;attach=481090;image)
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Every candidate for POTUS in the modern era has released many years of tax returns
Romney is crying about a standard virtually established by his own father who said:
“ One year could be a fluke, perhaps done for show. ”
Romney can certainly refuse to release his returns but he can't piss and moan about being held to the same standard as every other person in recent history to run for the office
Nelson Rockefeller released 5 years of his returns and he was far more wealthy than Romney
Romeny will be dogged by this up until the day he concedes the election
how many have had their college records sealed by court order?
Dont sit there and play one side over the other you dip shit be consistent. Either they need to release everything or they can pick and choose which one is it?
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hahahahahhaa TA nailed it perfectly!!!!!!!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=437046.0;attach=481090;image)
LMFAO yes b/c cracker jack and true ass hat cant distinguish between giving out his own money and taking money from others and giving to ppl
I am ashamed that you can say you have an MBA...
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hahahahahhaa TA nailed it perfectly!!!!!!!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=437046.0;attach=481090;image)
You must be clinically brain dead, how are you still posting?
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Romney giving away his own money - CHARITY
Then again, the change Romney loses in his couch would be more charitable than what Obama and Biden give.
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Follows the pattern of, on balance, conservatives being more charitable than liberals.
Cruz is THE most conservative candidate out of the 2016 potential bunch... and he/wife are very wealthy.
And they donated less than 1% of income. http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/politics/2014/08/15/13832940/
If a person gives, that's awesome and they deserve a thank you and respect for helping others. That's it. Not props for out-donating their political candidates. Cruz is the best 2016 choice, even if didn't donate much.
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Black people are notoriously bad tippers so this news comes as little surprise.
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Follows the pattern of, on balance, conservatives being more charitable than liberals.
Romney Charitable Giving Has Vastly Outpaced Obama’s
by KEITH KOFFLER on AUGUST 17, 2012
The Obama campaign is assailing Gov. Mitt Romney for failing to release his taxes and for paying only around a 15 percent rate, but it fails to note one of the reasons for Romney’s relatively moderate payment: He donates enormous sums of tax-deductible money to charity.
In fact, during a comparable period before Obama and Romney were running for president, Romney’s giving probably was at least ten times Obama’s as a percentage of their incomes, and possibly much more.
Romney has stated that he has long given at least 10 percent of his earnings to his Mormon church. Assuming this is true – and he’d probably have to be classified as a pathological liar if it’s not – the Romneys’ giving has dwarfed that of the Obamas, whose charitable contributions only increased in direct proportion to President Obama’s political activity.
According to an analysis of Obama’s tax returns by White House Dossier, the Obamas in the five years from 2000 to 2004 gave only in the range of 0.4 percent to 1.4 percent of their adjusted gross income to charity.
And the Obamas were hardly paupers during these years, most of which show earnings of well over $200,000. They gave less than the average for that income range, which has been estimated at close to 3 percent.
In 2005, Obama’s first year as a U.S. senator, the Obamas upped their giving to 4.7 percent of income. His income also raced up to $1.66 million owing to his celebrity-induced book sales. But the increase in giving is more likely related to Obama’s political ambitions, since on average those who make more than $1 million don’t donate much more as a percentage of their income than those making in the $200,000 range.
Even in the the years he was running for president, Obama gave less than Romney has in the past two years. The Obamas’ giving totaled 5.8 percent of income in 2007, when he made $4.1 million, and 6.5 percent of the $2.6 million he earned in 2008.
Romney’s estimated 2011 tax return shows he gave 19.2 percent of his income to charity, while his 2010 return puts his giving at 13.8 percent of his income.
Only in the past two years have the Obamas finally started giving comprable amounts, donating 14 percent of their income in 2010 and 21.8 percent in 2011.
Meanwhile, Vice President Biden has not allowed political considerations to affect his stinginess. The Bidens gave 1.5 percent of their income to charity in 2011.
http://www.whitehousedossier.com/
a non-issue...Romney vastly more wealthy..also needs to protect his of shore holdings
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The Clinton's took tax deductions for donating Bill's used underwear to charity. Nasty.
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The Clinton's took tax deductions for donating Bill's used underwear to charity. Nasty.
sounds like you're the guy who bought them
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sounds like you're the guy who bought them
All of us taxpayers bought them! That, and every other phoney charity tax deduction, that the Clinton's got.
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All of us taxpayers bought them! That, and every other phoney charity tax deduction, that the Clinton's got.
they have access to all the same deductions as every other wealthy person so I guess you're just as pissed an Romney, The Koch Brothers and thousands of other rich people
maybe you should stop thinking about Clintons underwear
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a non-issue...Romney vastly more wealthy..also needs to protect his of shore holdings
It's hardly a non-issue, because it's about the percentage, not the total amount.
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It's hardly a non-issue, because it's about the percentage, not the total amount.
what happened to you, man????....you used to be a good poster with reasonable points..now you're slowly sinking lower and lower into Soul Crusher territory....you're reaching incessantly for any little thing you can find to denigrate Obama
WAKE UP
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what happened to you, man????....you used to be a good poster with reasonable points..now you're slowly sinking lower and lower into Soul Crusher territory....you're reaching incessantly for any little thing you can find to denigrate Obama
WAKE UP
The party has ostracized RINOs. RINOs have blown the last 2 elections, and 2012 was entirely too easy to win against obama with those terrible poll numbers. RINOs are now preparing to try to convince us that somehow, only a RINO like Jeb or Christie can win the election. Total bunk. But they want it that way - because Cruz' deals don't line up wth their views.
RINOs are going to be very loud and irrational and obnoxious in the coming months.
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The party has ostracized RINOs. RINOs have blown the last 2 elections, and 2012 was entirely too easy to win against obama with those terrible poll numbers. RINOs are now preparing to try to convince us that somehow, only a RINO like Jeb or Christie can win the election. Total bunk. But they want it that way - because Cruz' deals don't line up wth their views.
RINOs are going to be very loud and irrational and obnoxious in the coming months.
I have to admit, I did think that Obama was going to lose...or would just squeak by...but he won by a landslide.....that was amazing.....I think Cruz would be easy to beat.....I'm really going to enjoy the Republicans beating up on each other..Obama may have also won due to not having a primary challenge where he would have probably had to move more to the left than he already was.....there was nothing that the conservatives could use against him
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I have to admit, I did think that Obama was going to lose...or would just squeak by...but he won by a landslide.....that was amazing.....I think Cruz would be easy to beat.....I'm really going to enjoy the Republicans beating up on each other..Obama may have also won due to not having a primary challenge where he would have probably had to move more to the left than he already was.....there was nothing that the conservatives could use against him
Well, people give obama too much credit, IMHO.
It's one of those situations where lebron's center and point guard looks like all-stars... until he leaves the team and they become entirely average lol.
Obama won handily, but most other dems may have won the same way. The populace isn't conservative anymore. Maybe 40 or 45% of them are... but anyone who walks around a mall or restaurant in the USA... and claims at least 50% of people they encounter seem like conservatives, is seriously delusional. Maybe in small pockets of counttry. Even the obama haters i know - half of them are unemployed potheads that sleep around and live the liberal lifestyle while proclaiming how much they love being a republican.
half of the country are NOT conservatives. Not even close. Anyone might have beaten romney. Cause less than 50% of the place wants the independent conservative spirit.
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It's hardly a non-issue, because it's about the percentage, not the total amount.
% is only relevant if they have similar income
If one person makes 30 million and donates 20% they have a lot more discretionary income than someone making 2 million who donates 5%
Also, Romney religion likely requires/compels him to make large donations and I wouldn't doubt for a second that Romney probably make donations to his own charities or various things that somehow benefit him and his family
This guy is a world class professional tax dodger
BTW - all that aside. It doesn't make a god damned bit of difference to me whether any candidate makes donations or not.
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what happened to you, man????....you used to be a good poster with reasonable points..now you're slowly sinking lower and lower into Soul Crusher territory....you're reaching incessantly for any little thing you can find to denigrate Obama
WAKE UP
I created this thread three years ago.
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I created this thread three years ago.
and cruz donating very little - yet being the best, most conservative name potentially running, tells us that donation amount or % is a personal thing, not a measure of how good a man is.
Cruz' are far richer than the obamas - and the obama probably donate more - and Cruz is 100x the man obama is.
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and cruz donating very little - yet being the best, most conservative name potentially running, tells us that donation amount or % is a personal thing, not a measure of how good a man is.
Cruz' are far richer than the obamas - and the obama probably donate more - and Cruz is 100x the man obama is.
And course nobody said anything about charitable donations making someone a good or bad person, but you liberal hacks are gonna always contort the facts.
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And course nobody said anything about charitable donations making someone a good or bad person, but you liberal hacks are gonna always contort the facts.
Disagree. Conservatives are better people than Liberals, I think most agree with that.
Follows the pattern of, on balance, conservatives being more charitable than liberals.
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so charitable giving has no bearing on whether someone is a good or bad person and certainly no bearing on whether they will be a good or bad POTUS
so from Bum's own opinion he started a totally pointless thread
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so charitable giving has no bearing on whether someone is a good or bad person and certainly no bearing on whether they will be a good or bad POTUS
so from Bum's own opinion he started a totally pointless thread
UNLESS it's a liberal not donating enough. See how that works?
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UNLESS it's a liberal not donating enough. See how that works?
I see how it works in the funhouse mirror inside Bums skull