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Republican Senate Nominee: Victims Of ‘Legitimate Rape’ Don’t Get Pregnant
Rep. Todd Akin, the Republican nominee for Senate in Missouri who is running against Sen. Claire McCaskill, justified his opposition to abortion rights even in case of rape with a claim that victims of “legitimate rape” have unnamed biological defenses that prevent pregnancy.
“First of all, from what I understand from doctors (pregnancy from rape) is really rare,” Akin told KTVI-TV in an interview posted Sunday. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”
Akin said that even in the worst-case scenario — when the supposed natural protections against unwanted pregnancy fail — abortion should still not be a legal option for the rape victim.
“Let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work, or something,” Akin said. “I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.”
Read more: http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/todd-akin-legitimate-rape.php?ref=fpa
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Sounds like Claire McCaskill is celebrating today.
Geez, it's like Sharon Angle/Christine ODonnell all over again. it's like repub primary voters reward stupidity.
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According to a 1996 study about 5% of rape cases result in pregnacy or about 32,000 a year (again according to a 1996 study
Can't we just round that number down to zero?
Should those rape victims have to justify all abortion under all circumstances before we allow them to have an abortion ?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8765248
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He is going to drop out tommorow. Another ridiculous thing for the left to focus on as opposed to obama's failed presidency and his horrid press conference today where he made a fool of himself.
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He is going to drop out tommorow. Another ridiculous thing for the left to focus on as opposed to obama's failed presidency and his horrid press conference today where he made a fool of himself.
yeah, it's so ridiculous that the RNC and even Karl Rove is pulling all their funding from this guy
I guess they must have caved in from pressure from the left
Kind of ridiculous for the RNC not to support their guy considering how riduculous this all is
And same goes for the media to focus on this rather than Obama's report card from high school and what he had for lunch today
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According to a 1996 study about 5% of rape cases result in pregnacy or about 32,000 a year (again according to a 1996 study
Can't we just round that number down to zero?
Should those rape victims have to justify all abortion under all circumstances before we allow them to have an abortion ?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8765248
maybe the good gentleman will suggest women offer their anal passage instead of the vagina?
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And maybe if there were so many restrictions on our ability defend ourselves, the rapist would get 2 in the chest and one in the head
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And maybe if there were so many restrictions on our ability defend ourselves, the rapist would get 2 in the chest and one in the head
many of the rape victims who because pregnant were adolescent and impregnated by an assault by a known, often related perpetrator
If they all only had guns I'm sure they could have fought off their father, uncle, brother or friend of father/uncle/ brother or boyfriend or whoever the heck it is who is raping them
Just be armed at all times the problem will pretty much take care of itself
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many of the rape victims who because pregnant were adolescent and impregnated by an assault by a known, often related perpetrator
If they all only had guns I'm sure they could have fought off their father, uncle, brother or friend of father/uncle/ brother or boyfriend or whoever the heck it is who is raping them
Just be armed at all times the problem will pretty much take care of itself
Yep, Wilson Combat , don't leave home without it
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Yep, Wilson Combat , don't leave home without it
well maybe we should start a national program to arm all female adolescents in the country
13 year olds are legally allowed to carry guns
right?
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Ayup, Akin is a complete idiot. I doubt(well....hope) that he doesn't really believe this and was simply pandering to the conservative base. Meh...forget it....
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well maybe we should start a national program to arm all female adolescents in the country
13 year olds are legally allowed to carry guns
right?
Dude whatever, I bought my daughter a CZ75 when she was 13. she knows how to shoot and has respect for firearms.
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He is going to drop out tommorow. Another ridiculous thing for the left to focus on as opposed to obama's failed presidency and his horrid press conference today where he made a fool of himself.
Story on CNN says he is not dropping out
Let's hope he stays in so that it forces all Repubs to address the issue all the way up to the election
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Story on CNN says he is not dropping out
Let's hope he stays in so that it forces all Repubs to address the issue all the way up to the election
More distraction, yes lets focus on this and not the economy or any of that unimportant stuff
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Story on CNN says he is not dropping out
Let's hope he stays in so that it forces all Repubs to address the issue all the way up to the election
just like scoot brown was #41 for repubs...
watch and see... this clown will cost repubs the senate. what a selfish dude. you think they'd work out some kinda deal... he gets a secret deal for 10 years at $400k a year to sit at a desk as a 'consultant'... in exchange for getting out of the race and letting the female candidate destry claire mck and making that issue a non-issue.
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Story on CNN says he is not dropping out
Let's hope he stays in so that it forces all Repubs to address the issue all the way up to the election
Are you scared to talk about the economy?
Don't bother answering as this post clearly tells us that you are.
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Are you scared to talk about the economy?
Don't bother answering as this post clearly tells us that you are.
brilliant analyis as always
this story is happening RIGHT NOW and a Repub Senator in a KEY STATE is fighting his own party who is trying to make him walk the plank
That's about as timely and apposite as it gets
I talk about the economy all the time but you're probably too busy looking for typos to actually notice
I know finding typos makes you a giddy little school girl so I put one (maybe more) in this post just for you
see if you can find it
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Does anyone here support this guy?
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Does anyone here support this guy?
no. He needs to step down ASAP.
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no. He needs to step down ASAP.
He went on hannity tonight to say he's staying it. Hannity is right - this dude is going to be poison for other races too - Ryan is connected at the hip to this nutjob with an abortion bill... team romney must be panicked.
Todd Akin, in an interview with Sean Hannity on his radio show that's still going on, said despite some media reports, he is not actually leaving the Missouri race.
"I was told that there is a decision has to be made by 5 o'clock tomororw but I was calling you and letting you know that I'm announcing today that we're (staying) in," Akin told Hannity.
Asked if he'd thought about the consequences of staying in, the congressman said he has.
"I certainly have, and I've just run a very tough primary race in the state of Missouri," he said, "I stuck to basically our conservative principles ... when people make a mistake and they are honest about it and say it was a mistake, I (think) they move on."
"I still believe I'm in the strongest position to (win)," he said.
Hannity, for his part, did not urge Akin on. At various points, he told Akin he thought this was going to be very difficult for him to get past, and suggested it was going to be creating a potential problem for not just his own race, but other people's races as well.
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His interview w Sean Vanity was a wreck. He is a ticking timb bomb snd delusional greedy fuck. he needs to go.
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You have to assume Sen CLaire will have a much better chance of winning - one seat that could give the senate to the repubs.
And now, anyone that has been connected to this dbag is going to be smeared for it. Everyone who signed or worse, ryan co-authoring the bill...
THis is a mini-disaster for repubs, and a drum the dems can keep on pounding until election day. It was REPUBS who made abortion this super huge issue with the 40+ abortion bills they passed just for theater in this congress.
33, I still predict this guy "finds" a pallet of money tonight and announces quietly in the morning that he's leaving the race. If I"m Romney, i'm presonally accidentally leaving a million bucks in this dude's couch just to GTFO of the race.
If he had said this 2 weeks ago - Ryan would NOT have been selected. Guarantee it.
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Ryan is equally a scumbag for co-authoring such a bill that legitimizes rape. Not that he wasn`t a scumbag before though. :D
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REDEFINED RAPE
Fuck. Now I understand what's so bad about this guy. This bill sucks - and I stay out of the abortion issue. This is about rape - and WOW Ryan co-authored it!
Earlier today, Missouri U.S. Senate candidate Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO) claimed that “legitimate rape” does not often lead to pregnancy because “the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” This is not the first time the biologically challenged senate candidate tried to minimize the impact of rape. Last year, Akin joined with GOP vice presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) as two of the original co-sponsors of the “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act,” a bill which, among other things, introduced the country to the bizarre term “forcible rape.”
Federal law prevents federal Medicaid funds and similar programs from paying for abortions. Yet the law also contains an exception for women who are raped. The bill Akin and Ryan cosponsored would have narrowed this exception, providing that only pregnancies arising from “forcible rape” may be terminated. Because the primary target of Akin and Ryan’s effort are Medicaid recipients — patients who are unlikely to be able to afford an abortion absent Medicaid funding — the likely impact of this bill would have been forcing many rape survivors to carry their rapist’s baby to term. Michelle Goldberg explains who Akin and Ryan would likely target:
Under H.R. 3, only victims of “forcible rape” would qualify for federally funded abortions. Victims of statutory rape—say, a 13-year-old girl impregnated by a 30-year-old man—would be on their own. So would victims of incest if they’re over 18. And while “forcible rape” isn’t defined in the criminal code, the addition of the adjective seems certain to exclude acts of rape that don’t involve overt violence—say, cases where a woman is drugged or has a limited mental capacity. “It’s basically putting more restrictions on what was defined historically as rape,” says Keenan.
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Akin bails on Piers Morgan's show tonight!
Todd Akin's bad week keeps getting worse.
The six-term Missouri GOP congressman, a candidate for U.S. Senate, apparently bailed on a planned interview with CNN's Piers Morgan, leaving the host to berate him as a "gutless little twerp" Monday evening.
Staring at the empty chair, a nonplussed Morgan issued this challenge to Akin: "Congressman, you have an open invitation to join me in that chair whenever you feel up to it, because if you don't keep your promise to be on the show, then you are what we would call in Britain a gutless little twerp."
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Let's be honest
Is it really Akins fault that he is so f'ng misinformed about biology
Repubs have been floating this type of nonsense for YEARS
Shit, he probably learned this crap from another Repub, maybe even on the floor of the Senate
Repubs could cut him some slack, especially considering that they usual wear their ignorance as a badge of honor
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Let's be honest
Is it really Akins fault that he is so f'ng misinformed about biology
Repubs have been floating this type of nonsense for YEARS
Shit, he probably learned this crap from another Repub, maybe even on the floor of the Senate
Repubs could cut him some slack, especially considering that they usual wear their ignorance as a badge of honor
Who is cutting him slack? Unlike you liberal dolts most repubs want him to step down. you idiots are still kneepadding Biden.
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Who is cutting him slack? Unlike you liberal dolts most repubs want him to step down. you idiots are still kneepadding Biden.
Rove refused to criticize him. Hannity was cool, let him have it. Reince Priebus just scolded him too.
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Who is cutting him slack? Unlike you liberal dolts most repubs want him to step down. you idiots are still kneepadding Biden.
no one is cutting him slack you dunce
that's what I'm saying
Repubs should cut him some slack since he probably "learned" the stupid shit he said from one of them since they have a long history of saying patently false things on this subject
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Rove refused to criticize him. Hannity was cool, let him have it. Reince Priebus just scolded him too.
every time I see Reince and especially when I hear him talk I"m just amazed he's the head of the RNC
you know that guy got his ass kicked all the way through school
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Rove refused to criticize him. Hannity was cool, let him have it. Reince Priebus just scolded him too.
Liar. Hannity was practically begging him to set aside. FNG liar.
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every time I see Reince and especially when I hear him talk I"m just amazed he's the head of the RNC
you know that guy got his ass kicked all the way through school
2010.
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2010.
someone kicked Reince Priebus ass in 2010?
I'm not suprised
he sounds like sniveling wimp every time he opens his mouth
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yes, I meant hannity was cool to the GOP - I posted that already -
Hannity was cool, let him have it.
"Let him have it" = told him he'll hurt more races than just his own.
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Republicans are largely dumb as shit when it comes to anything Scientific, even if its simple and obvious. Religion may have something to do with it, but there is certainly more to it than that.
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Republicans are largely dumb as shit when it comes to anything Scientific, even if its simple and obvious. Religion may have something to do with it, but there is certainly more to it than that.
are you saying cavemen didn't eat T-rex meat while Noah built the Ark?
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are you saying cavemen didn't eat T-rex meat while Noah built the Ark?
hahah yes. I`m also saying if Republicans held a Science fair, it would look something like this:
(http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/v/E/4/Anti-Science-Fair.jpg)
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hahah yes. I`m also saying if Republicans held a Science fair, it would look something like this:
(http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/v/E/4/Anti-Science-Fair.jpg)
This coming from the guy, who complained about engineers (who have probably forgotten more about science than you'll ever know).
Of course, you also slam your foot in your mouth by forgetting that Republicans have LONG SUPPORTED stem cell research, with one exception (embryonic stem cell research, which just so happens to be the type that has cured/treated absolutely NOTHING; at last count, wasn't it 74-0, adult stem cells vs. embryonic ones?).
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hahah yes. I`m also saying if Republicans held a Science fair, it would look something like this:
(http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/v/E/4/Anti-Science-Fair.jpg)
Followed up by their meeting on women's rights...
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Ryan is equally a scumbag for co-authoring such a bill that legitimizes rape. Not that he wasn`t a scumbag before though. :D
The party of personal freedom and responsibility ::)
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Followed up by their meeting on women's rights...
They are not that far from extremist muslims actually..
Lack of knowledge and no rights for woman.. oh yeah and loves to bomb other nations..Sounds familiar?
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They are not that far from extremist muslims actually..
Lack of knowledge and no rights for woman.. oh yeah and loves to bomb other nations..Sounds familiar?
First statement dumber than shit, haven't seen any news reports of anyone trying force women to dress in burkas, take away their ability to drive or vote...........
2nd statement almost as stupid, the whole abortion thing is a issue to be decided by the states, not the federal government. Yeah no Democrat has ever ordered the bombing of another country ::)
Just when I think you have actually learned something you start back sliding
(http://images.cryhavok.org/d/14606-1/Gravely+Disappointed.jpg)
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The party of personal freedom and responsibility ::)
Are the dems any better? But because they are in your face about it, thats OK?
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He is going to drop out tommorow. Another ridiculous thing for the left to focus on as opposed to obama's failed presidency and his horrid press conference today where he made a fool of himself.
lol how do you blame this on obama.. and talk about ridiculous... Bro.. have you seen your posts latley...Dude are you serious with some of these posts
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His interview w Sean Vanity was a wreck. He is a ticking timb bomb snd delusional greedy fuck. he needs to go.
Typical Far right Conservative
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wp comments:
"Romney's problem is that he can denounce Akin all he wants,...
... but there's a bill with Akin and Ryan's names on it that proves Ryan agrees with him on the definition of rape, denying Medicaid funding if the rape wasn't accompanied by enough physical force. And he voted for a measure that would allow states to ban abortion with no exception for rape or incest at all. Romney is stuck with Akin for the duration of the campaign."
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First statement dumber than shit, haven't seen any news reports of anyone trying force women to dress in burkas, take away their ability to drive or vote...........
2nd statement almost as stupid, the whole abortion thing is a issue to be decided by the states, not the federal government. Yeah no Democrat has ever ordered the bombing of another country ::)
Just when I think you have actually learned something you start back sliding
(http://images.cryhavok.org/d/14606-1/Gravely+Disappointed.jpg)
You havent seen any news regarding womans rights? How about the right to choose?(Abortion)
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Are the dems any better? But because they are in your face about it, thats OK?
When has the democrats ever suggested abortion should be illegal and wants to take away womans rights ???
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You havent seen any news regarding womans rights? How about the right to choose?(Abortion)
So abortion is a right? Please show the constitutional passage.....
There is a difference between something being a right and some thing that is "legal". A woman could choose to not have sex, a woman could choose to use protection ( so could the man). The debate gets much deeper after that, if you think that conception=life, then an abortion is taking life for convenience. If you don't well then it has no moral implications for you. That is the real debate, when does the fetus get personhood? Now if you murder a pregnant women you can be charged with 2 murders.
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When has the democrats ever suggested abortion should be illegal and wants to take away womans rights ???
Maybe not but they seem to think they get to decide what you can or can't eat. How big a soda you should be able to drink......
Now if you are going to accept that premise, then the government should just send out a list of everything you have to do through out the day, that way us peons don't have to think for ourselves ::)
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So abortion is a right? Please show the constitutional passage.....
There is a difference between something being a right and some thing that is "legal". A woman could choose to not have sex, a woman could choose to use protection ( so could the man). The debate gets much deeper after that, if you think that conception=life, then an abortion is taking life for convenience. If you don't well then it has no moral implications for you. That is the real debate, when does the fetus get personhood? Now if you murder a pregnant women you can be charged with 2 murders.
Exactly!!
Where is the line drawn between "choice" and infanticide?
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the issue here...
Akin is controlling funding for women and what happens to their bodies.
Akin is insanely ignorant on this topic - to the point of being harmful. He actually believed resistance = no preggos. That's 7th grade health class stuff.
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the issue here...
Akin is controlling funding for women and what happens to their bodies.
Akin is insanely ignorant on this topic - to the point of being harmful. He actually believed resistance = no preggos. That's 7th grade health class stuff.
And the reason we should vote for McCaskill, instead of him, is because..........
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the issue here...
Akin is controlling funding for women and what happens to their bodies.
Akin is insanely ignorant on this topic - to the point of being harmful. He actually believed resistance = no preggos. That's 7th grade health class stuff.
Wait, I thought no government funds went to abortions.... Do they or don't they?
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Wait, I thought no government funds went to abortions.... Do they or don't they?
I thought they did? Look, we are giving billion dollar subsidies to oil companies - I'm okay with a ten year old girl = in poverty - raped by her father - having her abortion paid for by the state.
this man is fcking ignorant, he's voting on something he clearly doesn't understand - and he's a crusader for this cause. An illiterate librarian.
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I thought they did? Look, we are giving billion dollar subsidies to oil companies - I'm okay with a ten year old girl = in poverty - raped by her father - having her abortion paid for by the state.
this man is fcking ignorant, he's voting on something he clearly doesn't understand - and he's a crusader for this cause. An illiterate librarian.
What the fuck does giving oil companies subsides have to do with abortion?
No what he is, is a dumbass who potentially get into a position of power and thinks he knows what best for everyone. Very dangerous, unfortunately that describes most politicians.
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What the fuck does giving oil companies subsides have to do with abortion?
No what he is, is a dumbass who potentially get into a position of power and thinks he knows what best for everyone. Very dangerous, unfortunately that describes most politicians.
true - but his is a poison beyond most of what we see in eveyday wash DC. The parties are united in condemning him. Rape is a touchy issue and he just spewed something so ignorant that mouths dropped in disbelief. He's been writing rape law for years - and he really thought preggo from rape was impossible. It's insane, it really it.
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true - but his is a poison beyond most of what we see in eveyday wash DC. The parties are united in condemning him. Rape is a touchy issue and he just spewed something so ignorant that mouths dropped in disbelief. He's been writing rape law for years - and he really thought preggo from rape was impossible. It's insane, it really it.
Politicians have become the worst of us, when they should be the best of us. And we wonder why American is in decline
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I thought they did? Look, we are giving billion dollar subsidies to oil companies - I'm okay with a ten year old girl = in poverty - raped by her father - having her abortion paid for by the state.
this man is fcking ignorant, he's voting on something he clearly doesn't understand - and he's a crusader for this cause. An illiterate librarian.
The ignorance here falls on you. Notwithstanding Akin's goof, the point made is that leftist love hiding behind the rape/incest/life-of-mother-in-danger thing (which accounts for maybe 5% of abortions, at best) to justify abortions for any reason.
If we only had abortions for scenarios, known as "hard cases", most so-called abortion clinics would be out of business (Planned Parenthood would likely be bankrupt).
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Why is it called Akin's "goof"?
Are you saying that is not his actual honest viewpoint?
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The ignorance here falls on you. Notwithstanding Akin's goof, the point made is that leftist love hiding behind the rape/incest/life-of-mother-in-danger thing (which accounts for maybe 5% of abortions, at best) to justify abortions for any reason.
If we only had abortions for scenarios, known as "hard cases", most so-called abortion clinics would be out of business (Planned Parenthood would likely be bankrupt).
newflash - NO WOMAN has to justify their choice to have an abortion to you or anyone else regardless of the reason
This so called flub (which is was not) reveals what this guy and many others (probably you) believe
If anything, Repubs have been using statements like Akins made to justify getting rid of abortion in ALL CASES
He was trying to say that you can't actually get pregnant by rape therefore we don't need an exception for rape
Akins is probably shocked that his own party is throwing him under the bus when many of them actually agree with exactly what he said
I have to admit I always get a laugh when fundies throw out an absurd and false statement THAT THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE IS TRUE only to have it pointed out to them how fucking stupid they are
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newflash - NO WOMAN has to justify their choice to have an abortion to you or anyone else regardless of the reason
This so called flub (which is was not) reveals what this guy and many others (probably you) believe
If anything, Repubs have been using statements like Akins made to justify getting rid of abortion in ALL CASES
He was trying to say that you can't actually get pregnant by rape therefore we don't need an exception for rape
Akins is probably shocked that his own party is throwing him under the bus when many of them actually agree with exactly what he said
I have to admit I always get a laugh when fundies throw out an absurd and false statement THAT THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE IS TRUE only to have it pointed out to them how fucking stupid they are
I am still puzzled why this is trying to be written off as a goof.
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newflash - NO WOMAN has to justify their choice to have an abortion to you or anyone else regardless of the reason
This so called flub (which is was not) reveals what this guy and many others (probably you) believe
If anything, Repubs have been using statements like Akins made to justify getting rid of abortion in ALL CASES
He was trying to say that you can't actually get pregnant by rape therefore we don't need an exception for rape
Akins is probably shocked that his own party is throwing him under the bus when many of them actually agree with exactl what he said
I have to admit I always get a laugh when fundies throw out an absurd and false statement THAT THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE IS TRUE only to have it pointed out to them how fucking stupid they are
How ironic. A lot of us get a laugh, when such is pointed about, regarding YOU.
As for justifying abortion, many of them are done because men, who supposedly should stay out of the issue, coerced their girlfriends/wives to get them. And, as stated elsewhere, crackpots like you don't seem to have a problem with men, weighing in on a "woman's issue", as long as the end result is hacking up unborn children.
And, guess who opposed abortion only in cases of rape/incest/life-of-mother-in-danger....left-winged Democrats and other folks like YOU.
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I am still puzzled why this is trying to be written off as a goof.
It was no goof
Repubs are just trying to spin it that way so we'll all forget the crazy shit they actually believe to be true
like I've said, I'm sure Akin is truly shocked that his friend are abandoning him since many of them no doubt also believe exactly what he said
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How ironic. A lot of us get a laugh, when such is pointed about, regarding YOU.
As for justifying abortion, many of them are done because men, who supposedly should stay out of the issue, coerced their girlfriends/wives to get them. And, as stated elsewhere, crackpots like you don't seem to have a problem with men, weighing in on a "woman's issue", as long as the end result is hacking up unborn children.
And, guess who opposed abortion only in cases of rape/incest/life-of-mother-in-danger....left-winged Democrats and other folks like YOU.
just in case you missed it - I've said MANY times that the WOMAN has the sole choice in whether to have a child, thereby making both parties parents (and making both parties financially responsible for that child) or whether to have an abortion
any questions on where I stand on the issue?
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The last time this bat shit crazy dude put his "goof" idea up for vote it got 232 votes in the GOP house.
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So far, only one poll has been taken, since this statement. It has Akin up by one over McCaskill....exactly where he was in another poll before this happened.
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So far, only one poll has been taken, since this statement. It has Akin up by one over McCaskill....exactly where he was in another poll before this happened.
as we know from other major gaffes or positive things, it takes up to a week for the effect to sink in.
Do you think he'll be up by one point in 7 days?
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So far, only one poll has been taken, since this statement. It has Akin up by one over McCaskill....exactly where he was in another poll before this happened.
All the more reason for Repubs to rally behind Akin
come on McWay - I'm sure you're in 100% agreement with what he said so show some balls and step up
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All the more reason for Repubs to rally behind Akin
come on McWay - I'm sure you're in 100% agreement with what he said so show some balls and step up
Then, to the shock of almost no one, you'd be miserably and woefully WRONG, as usual.
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Then, to the shock of almost no one, you'd be miserably and woefully WRONG, as usual.
So you think that something that Repubs call a "legitimate rape" can actually lead to pregnacy ?
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So you think that something that Repubs call a "legitimate rape" can actually lead to pregnacy ?
Unfortunately, rape of any kind can lead to pregnancy. The only qualifier of "legitimate" that I can decipher from this mess is that Akin may have been referring to statutory rape vs. rape where there's no consent at all.
Regardless of Akin's statement, it certainly doesn't mean that McCaskill should get another term in the Senate.
If the GOP doesn't have someone to replace Akin that can beat her, they need to quit pressuring him to quit. What good is it to replace Akin, if his replacement gets beat?
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Funny how the leftists want to hold Akin to a different standard than they do the VP.
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Funny how the leftists want to hold Akin to a different standard than they do the VP.
Well that's because you don't understand. Leftist can't be racist, sexist, <insert>ist, so anything they say is taken out of context.
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Funny how the leftists want to hold Akin to a different standard than they do the VP.
According to the Washington Post, as of 1:26 pm, Akin has told Huckabee that he is STAYING in the race.
So what does Rove and crew do now? Are they going to abandon him and surrender that seat to McCaskill? And, how do we know that the Missouri voters want him out?
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According to the Washington Post, as of 1:26 pm, Akin has told Huckabee that he is STAYING in the race.
So what does Rove and crew do now? Are they going to abandon him and surrender that seat to McCaskill? And, how do we know that the Missouri voters want him out?
He should drop out since he is a major distraction.
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He should drop out since he is a major distraction.
Well, he's not. I just heard that confirmed on Fox News Radio.
Again, how do we know Missouri voters (the only ones that count) want him gone?
And, who would replace him, that can beat McCaskill, anyway?
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Unfortunately, rape of any kind can lead to pregnancy. The only qualifier of "legitimate" that I can decipher from this mess is that Akin may have been referring to statutory rape vs. rape where there's no consent at all.Regardless of Akin's statement, it certainly doesn't mean that McCaskill should get another term in the Senate.
If the GOP doesn't have someone to replace Akin that can beat her, they need to quit pressuring him to quit. What good is it to replace Akin, if his replacement gets beat?
rape is rape
only weirdo fundies try to parse that term and apparently do so to defend their belief that something called a "legitimate rape" cannot result in a pregnancy .....therefore no need to make an exception in their beliefs on abortion in cases of rape
Your party just voted this morning to include this in the party platform
I'll let Obama explain it to you
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rape is rape
only weirdo fundies try to parse that term and apparently do so to defend their belief that something called a "legitimate rape" cannot result in a pregnancy .....therefore no need to make an exception in their beliefs on abortion in cases of rape
Your party just voted this morning to include this in the party platform
I'll let Obama explain it to you
LOL. Now Obama is the authority on criminal law?
Funny how this scam artist only held a brief press conference yesterday to pimp this issue and avoid discussing his record of failure, decay,collapse, corruption, etc.
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rape is rape
only weirdo fundies try to parse that term and apparently do so to defend their belief that something called a "legitimate rape" cannot result in a pregnancy .....therefore no need to make an exception in their beliefs on abortion in cases of rape
Your party just voted this morning to include this in the party platform
I'll let Obama explain it to you
I don't need the object of your kneepadding to explain JACK.
You asked me what I thought Akin meant by his statement. I gave my answer. Rape is defined as sexual intercourse where the victim DOES NOT or CANNOT consent, the latter scenario (as it relates to age) known statutory rape, genius.
There are state laws that make this distinction. Ask NFL Hall-of-Famer, Lawrence Taylor, about that one. Did "weirdo fundies" make those, too? Or is this more of your utter cluelessness, on display?
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I don't need the object of your kneepadding to explain JACK.
You asked me what I thought Akin meant by his statement. I gave my answer. Rape is defined as sexual intercourse where in which the victim DOES NOT or CANNOT consent, the latter scenario (as it relates to age) known statutory rape, genius.
There are state laws that make this distinction. Or did you, in your utter cluelessness, forget that. Ask NFL Hall-of-Famer, Lawrence Taylor, about that one.
so you think when Akin said "legitimate rape" he was making a distinction between not giving consent and not be of age to give consent ?
is that what you're going with?
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so you think when Akin said "legitimate rape" he was making a distinction between not giving consent and not be of age to give consent ?
is that what you're going with?
He was probably referring to a violent rape vs a situation where a woman has sex regrets it later on and then claims rape. There are tons of false rape claims.
Don't know what he was saying but either way he should go.
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Legitimate rape sounds an awful lot like legitimate theft. Something only retards and illogical thinking people would believe.
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so you think when Akin said "legitimate rape" he was making a distinction between not giving consent and not be of age to give consent ?
is that what you're going with?
Perhaps. Why don't you ask him or do a further inquiry yourself? Or have you already made your mind of what he supposedly meant?
In any event, none of what he said makes a dime's bit of difference, regarding whether he vs. McCaskill should be in the Senate.
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He was probably referring to a violent rape vs a situation where a woman has sex regrets it later on and then claims rape. There are tons of false rape claims.
Don't know what he was saying but either way he should go.
Whether he was or was not, doesn't take into account that "legitimate or illegitimate" rape is still sex and you can get impregnated by either one.
There is nothing that stops a sperm from fertilizing an egg based on whether the sex was consensual or not.
It just sounds stupid.
I mean, you harp on "You didn't build that", but this may be the dumbest thing I've heard this election cycle by ANYONE.
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Perhaps. Why don't you ask him or do a further inquiry yourself? Or have you already made your mind of what he supposedly meant?
In any event, none of what he said makes a dime's bit of difference, regarding whether he vs. McCaskill should be in the Senate.
I asked if this is YOUR opinion of what he said
so again
1. Rape where the woman is of age to give consent and does not
2. Rape where the woman is not of age to given consent
which one of those is a legitimate rape (you're the one that speculated a distinction) or are they both legitimate rape
BTW - speaking of distinction. Does your party platform make a distinction or are they (YOU) against abortion in either case ?
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He was probably referring to a violent rape vs a situation where a woman has sex regrets it later on and then claims rape. There are tons of false rape claims.
Don't know what he was saying but either way he should go.
If you don't have anyone to replace him that can beat McCaskill (that the GOP voters in Missouri will actually support), he might as well stay.
Unless I missed it, I've yet to hear any cries from Missouri GOP voters that Akin needs to go.
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Rape Update: (types of rape)
1. Rape
2. Legitimate Rape
3. Forcible Rape
4. False Rape
5. (stay tuned)
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If you don't have anyone to replace him that can beat McCaskill (that the GOP voters in Missouri will actually support), he might as well stay.
Unless I missed it, I've yet to hear any cries from Missouri GOP voters that Akin needs to go.
She was losing to Steelman and the other guy in polling. They should get this fucker out of there and run Sarah steelman who can and would win. Fat Ass Claire is wildly unpopular due to her vote for ThugCare.
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I asked if this is YOUR opinion of what he said
so again
1. Rape where the woman is of age to give consent and does not
2. Rape where the woman is not of age to given consent
which one of those is a legitimate rape (you're the one that speculated a distinction) or are they both legitimate rape
BTW - speaking of distinction. Does your party platform make a distinction or are they (YOU) against abortion in either case ?
I didn't speculate a distinction. There is a distinction, within our laws. Do perps of statutory rape get the same sentence as those who commit violent rape acts? NOPE!
Try as you might to convince me, I'm having a hard time believing you're as dopey as you sound.
As for abortion in the case of rape/incest/life-of-the-mother-in-danger, I'm of mixed feelings on the matter. On the one hand, I don't wish a woman to be burdened with raising child for something that wasn't her fault. On the other, I don't want to see an innocent unborn baby die, either.
The best answer I can give is case-by-case basis. Of course, since 95% of abortions (at least) DO NOT occur under those conditions, behind which people like you hide to condone abortion for any reason, I have no problem with tougher abortion laws.
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She was losing to Steelman and the other guy in polling. They should get this fucker out of there and run Sarah steelman who can and would win. Fat Ass Claire is wildly unpopular due to her vote for ThugCare.
other urging him to step aside and making vague public threats how exactly can they get him out?
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Rape Update: (types of rape)
1. Rape
2. Legitimate Rape
3. Forcible Rape
4. False Rape
5. (stay tuned)
So, there are no state laws (i.e. Florida) that define things like statutory rape?
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other urging him to step aside and making vague public threats how exactly can they get him out?
Probably hand him a bag of money or something.
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I didn't speculate a distinction. There is a distinction, within our laws. Do perps of statutory rape get the same sentence as those who commit violent rape acts? NOPE!
Try as you might to convince me, I'm having a hard time believing you're as dopey as you sound.
As for abortion in the case of rape/incest/life-of-the-mother-in-danger, I'm of mixed feelings on the matter. On the one hand, I don't wish a woman to be burdened with raising child for something that wasn't her fault. On the other, I don't want to see an innocent unborn baby die, either.
The best answer I can give is case-by-case basis. Of course, since 95% of abortions (at least) DO NOT occur under those conditions, behind which people like you hide to condone abortion for any reason, I have no problem with tougher abortion laws.
of course you did
Unfortunately, rape of any kind can lead to pregnancy. The only qualifier of "legitimate" that I can decipher from this mess is that Akin may have been referring to statutory rape vs. rape where there's no consent at all.
Regardless of Akin's statement, it certainly doesn't mean that McCaskill should get another term in the Senate.
If the GOP doesn't have someone to replace Akin that can beat her, they need to quit pressuring him to quit. What good is it to replace Akin, if his replacement gets beat?
I understand that you seem conflicted on abortion due to case of rape and think it should be looked at on a "case by case" basis
1. Can you given an example of a case of rape where you would decide that the woman should not be allowed to abort the spawn of her rapist
2. Does your party platform make any distinction whatsoever ?
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She was losing to Steelman and the other guy in polling. They should get this fucker out of there and run Sarah steelman who can and would win. Fat Ass Claire is wildly unpopular due to her vote for ThugCare.
Akin's statement isn't suddenly going to make McCaskill a hit with Missouri voters. And, since Akin has announced he's not going, unless the voters want him gone, you might as well stick with him.
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Akin's statement isn't suddenly going to make McCaskill a hit with Missouri voters. And, since Akin has announced he's not going, unless the voters want him gone, you might as well stick with him.
Iheard him on hannity. He is delusional.
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of course you did
No, I didn't. There is no speculation as to whether there are different categories of rape. That is FACT; that is law. Statutory rape is a distinct category and the sentence for such is lighter than for other forms of rape.
I understand that you seem conflicted on abortion due to case of rape and think it should be looked at on a "case by case" basis
1. Can you given an example of a case of rape where you would decide that the woman should not be allowed to abort the spawn of her rapist
2. Does your party platform make any distinction whatsoever ?
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1. If I had to make the call, it would be after physical, psychological, and social evaluations of the situation. To err on the side of life, I'd say that unless her life is at stake, keep the baby alive.
2. The GOP party platform, on the surface, seems to make no distinction.
I don't have a problem with that, if they are erring on the side of life. Or, at the very least, using abortion as an absolute last resort, as opposed to YOUR party's platform that wants the so-called right to kill unborn babies no matter what.
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No, I didn't. There is no speculation as to whether there are different categories of rape. That is FACT; that is law. Statutory rape is a distinct category and the sentence for such is lighter than for other forms of rape.
I understand that you seem conflicted on abortion due to case of rape and think it should be looked at on a "case by case" basis
1. Can you given an example of a case of rape where you would decide that the woman should not be allowed to abort the spawn of her rapist
2. Does your party platform make any distinction whatsoever ?
1. If I had to make the call, it would be after physical, psychological, and social evaluations of the situation. To err on the side of life, I'd say that unless her life is at stake, keep the baby alive.
2. The GOP party platform, on the surface, seems to make no distinction.
I don't have a problem with that, if they are erring on the side of life. Or, at the very least, using abortion as an absolute last resort, as opposed to YOUR party's platform that wants the so-called right to kill unborn babies no matter what.
I don't know what you mean by this statement
Can you put together a hypothetical example with specific details as to when you or the law would decide that in this particular case of rape the woman shoulld not be allowed to have an abortion
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Iheard him on hannity. He is delusional.
He's going to be on Hannity's radio show again, in about 5 minutes (I think).
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He's going to be on Hannity's radio show again, in about 5 minutes (I think).
He is a loon. Wait till you hear the nonsense from this freak show.
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He is a loon. Wait till you hear the nonsense from this freak show.
Loon or not, he's still in the race. If he can still beat McCaskill and the voters still want him, then the GOP may as well quit their grandstanding and get behind the guy.
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Loon or not, he's still in the race. If he can still beat McCaskill and the voters still want him, then the GOP may as well quit their grandstanding and get behind the guy.
They are all pulling funding from him and he is now toxic.
There is a time to fight and a time to fold em. This piece of shit is going to send Fatt Ass Claire back to the Senate unless Romney has massive coat tails in a tsunami.
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So, there are no state laws (i.e. Florida) that define things like statutory rape?
Of course.
5. Statutory rape
6. (stay tuned)
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They are all pulling funding from him and he is now toxic.
There is a time to fight and a time to fold em. This piece of shit is going to send Fatt Ass Claire back to the Senate unless Romney has massive coat tails in a tsunami.
According to Hannity, Romney has asked him to drop out. Akin is showing on Hannity at the bottom of the hour. As of 4pm EST, Akin says he's still running.
What indicators from the electorate suggests that the voters in Missouri are shifting to McCaskill? I've seen just one poll, which has him up one.
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According to Hannity, Romney has asked him to drop out. Akin is showing on Hannity at the bottom of the hour. As of 4pm EST, Akin says he's still running.
What indicators from the electorate suggests that the voters in Missouri are shifting to McCaskill? I've seen just one poll, which has him up one.
He is tied in a poll that sampled R +9 as of today. He was up by a lot prior to this.
He is dropping like a stone and needs to bow out since he will be the poster child of looney tunes till election day.
Is it fair considering the bs from Obama and Biden? No.
But its reality and he needs to step down.
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Of course.
5. Statutory rape
6. (stay tuned)
And all that and others fall under the definition of someone who does not or cannot consent.
He is tied in a poll that sampled R +9 as of today. He was up by a lot prior to this.
He is dropping like a stone and needs to bow out since he will be the poster child of looney tunes till election day.
Is it fair considering the bs from Obama and Biden? No.
But its reality and he needs to step down.
Well, unless he changed his mind within the last half hour, Akin is still in the race and has until 6pm EST to withdraw.
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Akin's up next on Hannity after the commercial break.
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Akin's up next on Hannity after the commercial break.
Get the popcorn ready - this guy is batshit nuts
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50 Shades of Rape - a GOP production.
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50 Shades of Rape - a GOP production.
LOL
Bill Clinton was actually accused of rape BY juanita broderick, groping kathleen wiley, harrassing paula jones, and you want act like this is a party thing?
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LOL
Bill Clinton was actually accused of rape BY juanita broderick, groping kathleen wiley, harrassing paula jones, and you want act like this is a party thing?
It depends on what the definition of 'is' is.
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Akin's on NOW. But I'm out of popcorn.
Hannity just told him about Romney's statement that he drop out of the race. Akin is responding and from all indication, he is NOT dropping out of the race.
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Akin's on NOW. But I'm out of popcorn.
He is really delusional. What a psychotic freak. He is on drugs or being paid by the DNC for this.
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I want to punch this guy right in the face right now. He is a greedy selfish prick
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He is really delusional. What a psychotic freak. He is on drugs or being paid by the DNC for this.
He sounds defiant, to me. Unless he has a change of heart in the next 75 minutes, he's still running.
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He sounds defiant, to me. Unless he has a change of heart in the next 75 minutes, he's still running.
He sounds greedy, selfish, ego-centric, and on drugs w no connection to reality whatsoever.
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I want to punch this guy right in the face right now. He is a greedy selfish prick
Hannity seems to be pleading with him to do it. But, he ain't budging. I don't see how this cost the GOP the Senate. If it's tied, the VP is the tie-breaker, is he not?
Either way, Romney has to win in order for Ryan to be that tie-breaker.
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Hannity seems to be pleading with him to do it. But, he ain't budging. I don't see how this cost the GOP the Senate. If it's tied, the VP is the tie-breaker, is he not?
Either way, Romney has to win in order for Ryan to be that tie-breaker.
This was the easiest seat to pick up and now this psychotic nut will eat away a lot of media attention and focus based on his psychotic delusions.
He is another one of these "holier than thou" phonies claiming his 'principles" forbid him from dropping out.
Totally insane.
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LOL
Bill Clinton was actually accused of rape BY juanita broderick, groping kathleen wiley, harrassing paula jones, and you want act like this is a party thing?
Was it legitimate rape?
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Here's an interesting article I found:
Eleven reasons Akin didn’t quit
As one top Missouri Republican said this morning, "It's hard to reason with an idiot"
BY JEFFREY SMITH
Todd Akin declared Tuesday that he would not drop out of the U.S. Senate race in Missouri. Most East Coast journalists and politicos I’ve spoken with cannot fathom how Todd Akin could possibly remain a candidate. As a former Missouri politician who knows Akin, perhaps I can shed some light. Here are 11 reasons why he didn’t quit:
1. He’s 65 and it’s his last shot.
Often, party leaders will ease younger candidates out of races with promises of support for some future nomination. That won’t work with someone who gave up his House seat to run and who clearly doesn’t have a political future if he bows out.
2. His opponent, Claire McCaskill, hasn’t polled over 45 percent for 18 months.
This nomination is worth something when you have an incumbent who, when paired against just about anyone, has hovered in the low 40s since last spring. Most political scientists and operatives assume that most of the time, late-breaking undecided voters favor the challenger approximately 2-to-1, so any challenger appears to be in good shape.
3. He’s never been a deal-cutting legislator.
A leopard doesn’t change his spots. Akin has always been a true believer, and not a typical pragmatic pol, so it’s not in his character to cut a deal now.
4. His base is sticking.
Since he first got into politics, Akin has been a crusader for social conservative causes. Whether it was in support of home schooling or against abortion and gambling, Akin has not given an inch. And so the folks he stood up for are sticking with him, and for that matter, so is Mike Huckabee, whose support was critical in the primary.
5. He’s always been outspent.
The national party’s vow to withdraw financial support doesn’t bother him as much as it would most pols, since he’s been outspent in his two major primaries. As he has said, God has always pulled him through.
6. The establishment has never supported him.
In politics and life, you listen to the people you know and trust. Since the Republican establishment in Missouri and in D.C. never supported him, he owes them nothing now.
7. He has all the leverage.
He is the nominee in a state that Republicans must win if they are to take back the Senate. The National Republican Senatorial Committee and Karl Rove’s Crossroads GPS are not going to spend hundreds of millions around the country and then leave Missouri on the table out of stubbornness. Akin, an anti-gambling fanatic, should be smart enough to call their bluff.
8. Missourians seem to dislike McCaskill enough to overlook Akin’s idiocy.
An overnight poll by a respected firm taken after saturation coverage of Akin’s plight suggests that this whole affair didn’t change many minds; Akin still leads by a point.
9. The worst is probably over.
If he quits now, he’s a punch line forever; if he sticks, then (based on No. 9) he has a 50 percent chance of being a U.S. senator as well as a punch line.
10. Wounds take time to heal – especially when people pick at them.
John Brunner, a multimillionaire businessman whom Akin defeated in the primary, is positioning himself to step into the void if Akin quits, and some think he’d be a logical choice since he wouldn’t be burdened with fundraising and has no legislative record to defend. But Akin is still smarting from Brunner’s attack mailers in the primary, which compared Akin to Obama. And I suspect he doesn’t appreciate Brunner making his interest known so brazenly – and so soon after Akin’s misstep. The idea that Brunner, whom Akin just vanquished while being outspent approximately 5-to-1, could waltz in to replace him must make him seethe.
11. God told him to run and it may take God to tell him to quit.
Missouri politicians who have in the past tried to negotiate with Akin describe it as sort of like trying to negotiate with Ahmadinejad. He is a zealot, in every sense of the word. As one top Republican said this morning, “It’s hard to reason with an idiot.” Or maybe, it’s just hard to use worldly logic on someone who is divinely inspired.
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/21/eleven_reasons_why_akin_didnt_quit/
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Was it legitimate rape?
She said it was forcible rape and she ended up w a busted lip.
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Hannity is practically BEGGING this guy to drop out; but, Akin ain't budging.
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Hannity is practically BEGGING this guy to drop out; but, Akin ain't budging.
This man is mentally deranged beyond words. Its like the ramblings of someone in an insane asylum.
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Did you read the article I posted? It makes a good case as to why he's staying. Do you think this one goof mean there's NO WAY he can beat McCaskill now?
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Did you read the article I posted? It makes a good case as to why he's staying. Do you think this one goof mean there's NO WAY he can beat McCaskill now?
it means that it puts fatt ass claire back in contention when she was flat on the mat.
Dumb dumb dumb.
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Get the popcorn ready - this guy is batshit nuts
that is HILARIOUS coming from you
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fatt ass claire
WYHI?
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No, I didn't. There is no speculation as to whether there are different categories of rape. That is FACT; that is law. Statutory rape is a distinct category and the sentence for such is lighter than for other forms of rape.
I understand that you seem conflicted on abortion due to case of rape and think it should be looked at on a "case by case" basis
1. Can you given an example of a case of rape where you would decide that the woman should not be allowed to abort the spawn of her rapist
2. Does your party platform make any distinction whatsoever ?
1. If I had to make the call, it would be after physical, psychological, and social evaluations of the situation. To err on the side of life, I'd say that unless her life is at stake, keep the baby alive.
2. The GOP party platform, on the surface, seems to make no distinction.
I don't have a problem with that, if they are erring on the side of life. Or, at the very least, using abortion as an absolute last resort, as opposed to YOUR party's platform that wants the so-called right to kill unborn babies no matter what.
so you've got a woman that's been raped and now wants an abortion
what would be a specific "physical, psychological, and social" reason that the state should force this woman to give birth
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He should have quit.
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How many in the GOP are Creationists?
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How many in the GOP are Creationists?
How many in the Demo party are communists?
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How many in the Demo party are communists?
None so far.
The Republican Party really is the shit stain in America. When are they going to purge these morons from the party. Barry Goldwater would be more than ashamed.
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None so far.
The Republican Party really is the shit stain in America. When are they going to purge these morons from the party. Barry Goldwater would be more than ashamed.
Lol. The demo party platform is right out of the communist manifesto.
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Lol. The demo party platform is right out of the communist manifesto.
Nah. I have a copy of it and it reads nothing like the Democratic Party platforms. The Democratic Party is only a margin better than the Republican and its not really that great either.
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Lol. The demo party platform is right out of the communist manifesto.
which parts? or is this just vague talking points?
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which parts? or is this just vague talking points?
go 1 through 10 and start a thread.
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The overall idea of the Communist Manifesto is to give people, the citizens, complete control and power. I don`t think the Democratic Party wants anything like that to take place.
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it means that it puts fatt ass claire back in contention when she was flat on the mat.
Dumb dumb dumb.
I'm not so sure about that. For some reason, I don't see a bunch of people, who want McCaskill gone, suddenly wanting her back for another Senate term, just because of this incident.
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I'm not so sure about that. For some reason, I don't see a bunch of people, who want McCaskill gone, suddenly wanting her back for another Senate term, just because of this incident.
there were 8 candidates on the GOP side. Akin got 3% of the total population voting for him. He's not exactly loved, just the guy who ran on the furthest right.
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there were 8 candidates on the GOP side. Akin got 3% of the total population voting for him. He's not exactly loved, just the guy who ran on the furthest right.
Akin's the last man standing of the GOP. Unless you have some evidence that this incident all but guarantee's McCaskill's re-election, I say if the voters are still behind him, he should continue to run.
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Akin's the last man standing of the GOP. Unless you have some evidence that this incident all but guarantee's McCaskill's re-election, I say if the voters are still behind him, he should continue to run.
Source: Rasmussen Reports oh no :D
What a difference one TV interview can make. Embattled Democratic incumbent Claire McCaskill has now jumped to a 10-point lead over her Republican challenger, Congressman Todd Akin, in Missouri’s U.S. Senate race. Most Missouri Republicans want Akin to quit the race while most Missouri Democrats want him to stay.
The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in the Show Me State finds McCaskill earning 48% support to Akin’s 38%. Nine percent (9%) like some other candidate in the race, and five percent (5%) are undecided.
Read more: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_senate_elections/
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Source: Rasmussen Reports oh no :D
What a difference one TV interview can make. Embattled Democratic incumbent Claire McCaskill has now jumped to a 10-point lead over her Republican challenger, Congressman Todd Akin, in Missouri’s U.S. Senate race. Most Missouri Republicans want Akin to quit the race while most Missouri Democrats want him to stay.
The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in the Show Me State finds McCaskill earning 48% support to Akin’s 38%. Nine percent (9%) like some other candidate in the race, and five percent (5%) are undecided.
Read more: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_senate_elections/
I saw that several hours ago. Akin, last time I checked, is still in the race. But, as stated earlier, who's going to replace him if he leaves and can that person defeat McCaskill?
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I saw that several hours ago. Akin, last time I checked, is still in the race. But, as stated earlier, who's going to replace him if he leaves and can that person defeat McCaskill?
Palin was talking about the woman he defeated in the primary running as an independent.
Someone needs to hire Jeff Gillooly. :-\
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Palin was talking about the woman he defeated in the primary running as an independent.
Someone needs to hire Jeff Gillooly. :-\
I saw that on Greta a couple of nights ago. If that splits the vote, the GOP may as well stick with Akin. If, however, the GOP voters abandon Akin en masse for Sarah Steelman, then that could work.
Though, after the Murkowski debacle in Alaska and the Crist thing in Florida, I have a bit of a problem with someone getting beat, straight up in his/her party's primary, flipping to be an "independent".
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I saw that on Greta a couple of nights ago. If that splits the vote, the GOP may as well stick with Akin. If, however, the GOP voters abandon Akin en masse for Sarah Steelman, then that could work.
Though, after the Murkowski debacle in Alaska and the Crist thing in Florida, I have a bit of a problem with someone getting beat, straight up in his/her party's primary, flipping to be an "independent".
Me too. Lieberman did it.
This is a bit different though. That idiot needs to go.
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Me too. Lieberman did it.
This is a bit different though. That idiot needs to go.
why should he go ?
his views are in 100% agreement with the Republican Party Platform
he repeated and absurd belief about rape but that belief is a commonly held opinion among your fellow right to lifers and I'm sure people in Congress believed the very same thing until they say Akin getting hung out to dry by his own party.
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why should he go ?
his views are in 100% agreement with the Republican Party Platform
he repeated and absurd belief about rape but that belief is a commonly held opinion among your fellow right to lifers and I'm sure people in Congress believed the very same thing until they say Akin getting hung out to dry by his own party.
Yeah just keep throwing shit against the wall and see what sticks ::)
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why should he go ?
his views are in 100% agreement with the Republican Party Platform
he repeated and absurd belief about rape but that belief is a commonly held opinion among your fellow right to lifers and I'm sure people in Congress believed the very same thing until they say Akin getting hung out to dry by his own party.
No, it is not. And several GOP and right-to-lifers have said as much. But, as usual, you keep parrotting stupidity, hoping this issue will somehow save the Democrats from another beating, similar to what they received in 2010.
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No, it is not. And several GOP and right-to-lifers have said as much. But, as usual, you keep parrotting stupidity, hoping this issue will somehow save the Democrats from another beating, similar to what they received in 2010.
to which part of my post are you saying "no, it is not" ?
doesn't Akin conform with the Republican Party Platform on abortion ?
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I say if the voters are still behind him, he should continue to run.
didn't he go from a commanding lead, to bragging that he still had a 1 point lead in the new poll?
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Yeah just keep throwing shit against the wall and see what sticks ::)
why should Akin quit ?
he won the Republican primary
what else does he need to do ?
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to which part of my post are you saying "no, it is not" ?
doesn't Akin conform with the Republican Party Platform on abortion ?
All of it.
Akin's views are not 100% in agreement with the GOP platform.
Of course, abortion is hardly the top issue in this race. You and other Obama followers are desperate to make it such, to deflect from Obama's horrible record. Unfortunately, that strategy is falling apart, as the jobless numbers keep increase, as unemployment stays over 8%, as gas prices get higher.
But, keep thinking this issue is going to save you in November.
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All of it
Akin's views are not 100% in agreement with the GOP platform.
He and Ryan wrote a bill that every repub signed, right?
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He and Ryan wrote a bill that every repub signed, right?
I believe that is correct. Here's the GOP platform from 2008 (the 2012 platform has the same language, regarding sanctity of life).
Maintaining The Sanctity and Dignity of Human Life
Faithful to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence, we assert the inherent dignity and sanctity of all human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity and dignity of innocent human life.
We have made progress. The Supreme Court has upheld prohibitions against the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion. States are now permitted to extend health-care coverage to children before birth. And the Born Alive Infants Protection Act has become law; this law ensures that infants who are born alive during an abortion receive all treatment and care that is provided to all newborn infants and are not neglected and left to die. We must protect girls from exploitation and statutory rape through a parental notification requirement. We all have a moral obligation to assist, not to penalize, women struggling with the challenges of an unplanned pregnancy. At its core, abortion is a fundamental assault on the sanctity of innocent human life. Women deserve better than abortion. Every effort should be made to work with women considering abortion to enable and empower them to choose life. We salute those who provide them alternatives, including pregnancy care centers, and we take pride in the tremendous increase in adoptions that has followed Republican legislative initiatives.
Respect for life requires efforts to include persons with disabilities in education, employment, the justice system, and civic participation. In keeping with that commitment, we oppose the nonconsensual withholding of care or treatment from people with disabilities, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose euthanasia and assisted suicide, which endanger especially those on the margins of society. Because government should set a positive standard in hiring and contracting for the services of persons with disabilities, we need to update the statutory authority for the AbilityOne program, the main avenue by which those productive members of our society can offer high quality services at the best possible value.
The source of the left's whining is that there is no language stating abortions for rape, incest, or the mother's life being in danger (as if it mattered).
Of course, the left hides behind those hard cases to justify abortion, no matter what. BTW, why would there be a statement about protecting young girls from statutory rape if, as some liberals foolishly claim, the GOP is merely concerned about "forcible rape"?
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I believe that is correct. Here's the GOP platform from 2008 (the 2012 platform has the same language, regarding sanctity of life).
Maintaining The Sanctity and Dignity of Human Life
Faithful to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence, we assert the inherent dignity and sanctity of all human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity and dignity of innocent human life.
We have made progress. The Supreme Court has upheld prohibitions against the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion. States are now permitted to extend health-care coverage to children before birth. And the Born Alive Infants Protection Act has become law; this law ensures that infants who are born alive during an abortion receive all treatment and care that is provided to all newborn infants and are not neglected and left to die. We must protect girls from exploitation and statutory rape through a parental notification requirement. We all have a moral obligation to assist, not to penalize, women struggling with the challenges of an unplanned pregnancy. At its core, abortion is a fundamental assault on the sanctity of innocent human life. Women deserve better than abortion. Every effort should be made to work with women considering abortion to enable and empower them to choose life. We salute those who provide them alternatives, including pregnancy care centers, and we take pride in the tremendous increase in adoptions that has followed Republican legislative initiatives.
Respect for life requires efforts to include persons with disabilities in education, employment, the justice system, and civic participation. In keeping with that commitment, we oppose the nonconsensual withholding of care or treatment from people with disabilities, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose euthanasia and assisted suicide, which endanger especially those on the margins of society. Because government should set a positive standard in hiring and contracting for the services of persons with disabilities, we need to update the statutory authority for the AbilityOne program, the main avenue by which those productive members of our society can offer high quality services at the best possible value.
The source of the left's whining is that there is no language stating abortions for rape, incest, or the mother's life being in danger (as if it mattered).
Of course, the left hides behind those hard cases to justify abortion, no matter what. BTW, why would there be a statement about protecting young girls from statutory rape if, as some liberals foolishly claim, the GOP is merely concerned about "forcible rape"?
...but not healthcare
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Again, how many different ways do I need to explain to you the constitutional powers of the federal government
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Again, how many different ways do I need to explain to you the constitutional powers of the federal government
Where does it say in the constitution that old retards can decide over a womans body and potential offspring?
Where does it say you should carry your rape baby but not have access for health care for you and the baby?
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Where does it say in the constitution that old retards can decide over a womans body and potential offspring?
Where does it say you should carry your rape baby but not have access for health care for you and the baby?
Where does it say I should be forced to pay for GhettoCare?
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Where does it say I should be forced to pay for GhettoCare?
Right here:
Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Its a tax and it provides for the general welfare of the US namely its citizens.
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Right here:
Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Its a tax and it provides for the general welfare of the US namely its citizens.
LOL. So you are ok w the Govt forcing you to by a GM "green" car?
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LOL. So you are ok w the Govt forcing you to by a GM "green" car?
Do i really need to answer that ???
You logon everyday calling the pres an idiot who needs a teleprompter? Look at your posts in this thread and tell who needs a teleprompter again?
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Where does it say in the constitution that old retards can decide over a womans body and potential offspring?
Where does it say you should carry your rape baby but not have access for health care for you and the baby?
Exactly, the federal government has no constitutional authority either way, this is an issue for the states to decide.
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Right here:
Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Its a tax and it provides for the general welfare of the US namely its citizens.
And what kind of tax is it? The constitution says what kind of taxes can be imposed. Last time I checked there was no inactivity tax listed.
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why should Akin quit ?
he won the Republican primary
what else does he need to do ?
Never said he should quit, I don't give a shit either way. Let Missouri decide.
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All of it.
Akin's views are not 100% in agreement with the GOP platform.
Of course, abortion is hardly the top issue in this race. You and other Obama followers are desperate to make it such, to deflect from Obama's horrible record. Unfortunately, that strategy is falling apart, as the jobless numbers keep increase, as unemployment stays over 8%, as gas prices get higher.
But, keep thinking this issue is going to save you in November.
Of course they are
his views - "no abortion under any circumstance" is 100% in agreement with your parties platform
again - I don't understand how you can just flat out lie about stuff that is easily provable
If abortion is not a "top issue" then why did the Republicans in both the federal and state goverments spend practially all their time on abortion legislation ?
I like how your party spends virtually all their time on one thing and then and then tells us it's not important and we shouldn't be pointing it out or talking about it