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Title: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 04:07:53 AM
Who else has this problem?

My face starts looking like skeletor's early on in the process already. I'm not even talking REAL lean here, say 10-12% BF and my face looks very unhealthy already.

I can't continue walking around like this, people are constantly asking me if I'm on drugs or even terminally ill LOL

This shit cray  :'( :'( :'( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 04:08:28 AM
And btw: I'm not doing any low carb dehydration bullshit diet. I'm on high carbs and drink lots of water.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: calfzilla on August 21, 2012, 04:13:16 AM
Getbig used to have a team called Team Lean Face. Maybe join them?
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: buresu on August 21, 2012, 04:16:24 AM
that's beacuse you have a lean face, some others have a round face and don't get like you even at %6-7 bf ...so face genetics ;D
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: BigCyp on August 21, 2012, 04:17:28 AM
Yes you will just have to face this reality.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Army of One on August 21, 2012, 04:32:27 AM
Its just because people are used to seeing other fat people, lean individuals sadly are the minority, the same women who say you look ill will be the same ones trying to rip off your pants after a few drinks.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: OTHstrong on August 21, 2012, 04:50:08 AM
Who else has this problem?

My face starts looking like skeletor's early on in the process already. I'm not even talking REAL lean here, say 10-12% BF and my face looks very unhealthy already.

I can't continue walking around like this, people are constantly asking me if I'm on drugs or even terminally ill LOL

This shit cray  :'( :'( :'( :( :( :(
Welcome to the club, now how do you think I feel when I get down to 5% then take a half bottle of ephedrine, 600mg of caffeine, hit the weights for an hour, then cardio for an hour then the whole world thinks I am on coke or heroin, woooooosh.  ;D
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: JasonH on August 21, 2012, 05:00:30 AM
I wouldn't mind having the lean face "problem" - rather that than the bloated moonface I get whenever my bodyweight exceeds 230lbs and my physique still doesn't resemble that of a bodybuilder.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: njflex on August 21, 2012, 05:06:09 AM
'TEAM LEAN FACE APPROVED'
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: dj181 on August 21, 2012, 05:10:54 AM
TLF FTW
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: the trainer on August 21, 2012, 06:16:26 AM
Who else has this problem?

My face starts looking like skeletor's early on in the process already. I'm not even talking REAL lean here, say 10-12% BF and my face looks very unhealthy already.

I can't continue walking around like this, people are constantly asking me if I'm on drugs or even terminally ill LOL

This shit cray  :'( :'( :'( :( :( :(


I think its because you have a horse face you might want to try plastic surgery because sometimes it can fix a ugly person
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: da_vinci on August 21, 2012, 06:19:03 AM
It's a lot better than get going a full blown moon face from dbol or similar shit. Well THAT looks ridiculous. I've swore myself not to touch anything that accumulates water too much, as once I got such a bloat going on my face that I looked like a completely diff person lol..
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: The Grim Lifter on August 21, 2012, 06:34:19 AM
Leaner face is what the bitches want

At least the hot ones. Forget about the average or above average ones paying attention to you again.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Army of One on August 21, 2012, 06:41:18 AM
Forget about the average or above average ones paying attention to you again.

? Explain
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: _bruce_ on August 21, 2012, 06:45:34 AM
Don't worry just the first signs that you're getting sick.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on August 21, 2012, 06:51:20 AM
my face is always the last part to lose weight.  I can be lean and still have a double chin.  Kind of like how Evan Centopani can be lean and have a double chin
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Army of One on August 21, 2012, 06:53:34 AM
20 pounds can make or break a face (right click, save as, then view)

(http://i.imgur.com/Z67zk.jpg)  

Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: The Grim Lifter on August 21, 2012, 06:55:00 AM
? Explain

Once i got too lean with size even above average chicks were pretty much scared of me. Only the tight as bodies have any confidence to go for me. I'd pick up better if i was 10-5 pounds heavier, actually anytime i gained that much i noticed much more attention.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Dr Dutch on August 21, 2012, 06:56:35 AM
Jay keeps his bulls face even under 5%...

(http://whatmakesusclick.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/arnold-classic-famous-6.jpg?w=580)
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Army of One on August 21, 2012, 06:57:21 AM
Once i got too lean with size even above average chicks were pretty much scared of me. Only the tight as bodies have any confidence to go for me. I'd pick up better if i was 10-5 pounds heavier, actually anytime i gained that much i noticed much more attention.

The last 20 pounds is so drastic with each couple of pounds lost.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: njflex on August 21, 2012, 07:00:00 AM
Jay keeps his bulls face even under 5%...

(http://whatmakesusclick.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/arnold-classic-famous-6.jpg?w=580)
'team moon face approved'
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Dr Dutch on August 21, 2012, 07:00:12 AM
Who else has this problem?

My face starts looking like skeletor's early on in the process already. I'm not even talking REAL lean here, say 10-12% BF and my face looks very unhealthy already.

I can't continue walking around like this, people are constantly asking me if I'm on drugs or even terminally ill LOL

This shit cray  :'( :'( :'( :( :( :(
Is this you ?

(http://www.mxdwn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Ex-Bee-Gee-Robin-Gibb-in-coma-with-pneumonia-5D1ABA4D-x-large.jpg)
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Papper on August 21, 2012, 07:03:55 AM
So drink less water then, maybe you'll get some puffiness from w retention in the face.

Yes you will just have to face this reality.

Lol
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Dr Dutch on August 21, 2012, 07:04:45 AM
Cheek bone implants ?
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: The Grim Lifter on August 21, 2012, 07:08:42 AM
The last 20 pounds is so drastic with each couple of pounds lost.

I am maybe 3 pounds leaner now i'm eating 3 times a day instead of 5 and the difference in my face is drastic just on that. Can't go any leaner.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Papper on August 21, 2012, 07:18:59 AM
Its better to get a lean face early anyways.
Some diet but dont get the desired chiseled features anyway.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Hulkotron on August 21, 2012, 07:50:44 AM
Who else has this problem?

My face starts looking like skeletor's early on in the process already. I'm not even talking REAL lean here, say 10-12% BF and my face looks very unhealthy already.

I can't continue walking around like this, people are constantly asking me if I'm on drugs or even terminally ill LOL

This shit cray  :'( :'( :'( :( :( :(

You sound like a bitch.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 09:31:28 AM
Welcome to the club, now how do you think I feel when I get down to 5% then take a half bottle of ephedrine, 600mg of caffeine, hit the weights for an hour, then cardio for an hour then the whole world thinks I am on coke or heroin, woooooosh.  ;D

The worst part is, I USED to be on drugs and back then, no one asked if I was LOL
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 09:34:03 AM
Its just because people are used to seeing other fat people, lean individuals sadly are the minority, the same women who say you look ill will be the same ones trying to rip off your pants after a few drinks.

In a lot of cases that may be so, but I have to admit, even I myself think I look sick (in the face). I look normal in the face only at 15-20 BF (or higher). Anything below that and it starts to look sickly with hanging skin etc.

Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 09:34:55 AM

I think its because you have a horse face you might want to try plastic surgery because sometimes it can fix a ugly person

LOL

Thanks for your contribution! haha What constitutes a horse face btw?
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 09:36:05 AM
It's a lot better than get going a full blown moon face from dbol or similar shit. Well THAT looks ridiculous. I've swore myself not to touch anything that accumulates water too much, as once I got such a bloat going on my face that I looked like a completely diff person lol..

My face always looked better on bloating steroids to be honest. I might just be too lean in the face to consider being lean overall  :(
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 09:37:50 AM
Is this you ?

(http://www.mxdwn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Ex-Bee-Gee-Robin-Gibb-in-coma-with-pneumonia-5D1ABA4D-x-large.jpg)

Even worse, cheecks are sunken in a bit more + I have veins on my entire skull.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Megalodon on August 21, 2012, 09:40:25 AM
Since when is a lean face a problem? Almost every male movie star in the world has a lean face.

This reminds me of tall guys posting that they wish they were shorter so that they could fill out their frame easier.

Bodybuilding is so screwed up.  ;D


I wish I was short, had a fat face, swirly varicose veins, a bloated yet muscular 45 inch waist, and severe stretch marks.  ;D
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 09:40:38 AM
You sound like a bitch.

I can understand you thinking that. At first I laughed it off when people asked me if I was on drugs or sick, thinking they were just jealous. But now I get the question so frequent, I can't help but wonder what impression I'm leaving wherever I go to. I would have no problem being the "juicehead" or what not, I will however not be seen as the "crackhead" or the cancer patient when I am in fact not!
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 09:42:02 AM
Since when is a lean face a problem? Almost every male movie star in the world has a lean face.

This reminds me of tall guys posting that they wish they were shorter so that they could fill out their frame easier.

Bodybuilding is so screwed up.  ;D


I wish I was short, had a fat face, swirly varicose veins, a bloated yet muscular 45 inch waist, and severe stretch marks.  ;D

You didn't read it properly, I'm talking about being THAT lean in the face, that everyone thinks I'm either dying of aids or a heroin junkie. I'm not talking normal lean here.

Apart from Christian Bale in the Machinist, I have yet to see a movie start with a face resembling what I'm talking about here.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 09:45:17 AM
You think 50 looks better/more attractive here?

(http://www.thedailyinquirer.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/FIFTY-CENT-WEIGHT-LOSS-2.jpg)

And I look significantly leaner than this still (in the face only!).
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Hulkotron on August 21, 2012, 09:46:13 AM
a bloated yet muscular 45 inch waist

haha ;D
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 09:52:53 AM
Since when is a lean face a problem? Almost every male movie star in the world has a lean face.

This reminds me of tall guys posting that they wish they were shorter so that they could fill out their frame easier.

Bodybuilding is so screwed up.  ;D


I wish I was short, had a fat face, swirly varicose veins, a bloated yet muscular 45 inch waist, and severe stretch marks.  ;D

28 inch waist, 6'3" here
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: MAXX on August 21, 2012, 09:53:08 AM
I'm reverse. Team moonface.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 10:07:47 AM
Women might not dig fat, bloated faces, but they sure as hell ain't digging very lean faces neither.

This is one of the most lusted on male actors of recent years:

(http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/2012/07/tatum_a.jpg)

Does he look especially lean in the face? No! Neither does Brad Pitt, the guy from Twilight etc.

Very lean faces don't look manly.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: dj181 on August 21, 2012, 10:14:15 AM
28 inch waist, 6'3" here

a 28 inch waist @ 10-12% bodyfat? hmmmmmm................. . :-\
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 10:14:29 AM
I'm thinking that maybe what someone here said isn't a bad idea, drinking less fluids and eating a lot more salt. That would I would get the cosmetic effect of a fuller face, without actually having a fatter one.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: nefario on August 21, 2012, 10:22:57 AM
I'm thinking that maybe what someone here said isn't a bad idea, drinking less fluids and eating a lot more salt. That would I would get the cosmetic effect of a fuller face, without actually having a fatter one.

Haha, yeah something tells me that's not a particularly solid long-term solution.  I too get that Mick Jagger cheeks of peace look anytime I get down towards 9%.  It'd be nice to have a perennial layer of baby fat there, or to be able to spot reduce around the waist instead but it's just the way things are.  Abs or face, you need to man up and make the decision  :)
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 10:25:43 AM
Haha, yeah something tells me that's not a particularly solid long-term solution.  I too get that Mick Jagger cheeks of peace look anytime I get down towards 9%.  It'd be nice to have a perennial layer of baby fat there, or to be able to spot reduce around the waist instead but it's just the way things are.  Abs or face, you need to man up and make the decision  :)

It's a non-decision really, I can't continue walking around looking like I'm terminally ill when I'm not. Add to that the sagging skin and the dark circles under my eyes (which I'm pretty sure are also sagging skin) and it's a no-brainer. It's going to be hard to accept but the abs/overall leanness will have to go permanently. What use is it to look good naked, but terminally ill with clothes on, considering we're clothed most of the time anyway.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Megalodon on August 21, 2012, 10:35:35 AM
You didn't read it properly, I'm talking about being THAT lean in the face, that everyone thinks I'm either dying of aids or a heroin junkie. I'm not talking normal lean here.

Apart from Christian Bale in the Machinist, I have yet to see a movie start with a face resembling what I'm talking about here.

Okay, I see your point. 50¢(in that photo) and Bale's Machinist's face look weak and depleted, like they're bodies are severely robbed of nutrients and calories. Movie stars and models are lean but healthy looking.

28" waist at 6'3" sounds like you may be below the 10-12% bodyfat you mention in your original post unless your fat is distributed differently than most. It sounds like you're already ripped in some areas but holding fat in others.

I know someone whose face is the last to lean up. Someone else was skinny but had what appeared to be gyno, but they got just a little leaner and totally lost the gyno look. It was like fat accumulated on their lower chest first and nowhere else on the body. The diversity of fat distribution on different individuals is something that should be detailed/researched in a book because it is vast and virtually unresearched compared to what's known/discussed about muscle length/shape etc...

Lonnie Lowery did an article on t-nation a while back on "spot reduction" and that he believed that there is a degree of truth to it:  http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/spot_reduction_is_real_heres_how_to_do_it (http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/spot_reduction_is_real_heres_how_to_do_it)

I've read other articles that certain foods affect accumulation of fat on different parts of the body. All this stuff is at least worth looking into but it goes against conventional wisdom and controversial.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: dj181 on August 21, 2012, 10:42:56 AM
a 28 inch waist @ 6 foot 3 inches and 10-12% bodyfat is TINY

hell, when i was sub-6 @ 5'11" my waist measured 29.25 inches, and i'm known for have a very small waist
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 10:48:18 AM
Okay, I see your point. 50¢(in that photo) and Bale's Machinist's face look weak and depleted, like they're bodies are severely robbed of nutrients and calories. Movie stars and models are lean but healthy looking.

28" waist at 6'3" sounds like you may be below the 10-12% bodyfat you mention in your original post unless your fat is distributed differently than most. It sounds like you're already ripped in some areas but holding fat in others.

I know someone whose face is the last to lean up. Someone else was skinny but had what appeared to be gyno, but they got just a little leaner and totally lost the gyno look. It was like fat accumulated on their lower chest first and nowhere else on the body. The diversity of fat distribution on different individuals is something that should be detailed/researched in a book because it is vast and virtually unresearched compared to what's known/discussed about muscle length/shape etc...

Lonnie Lowery did an article on t-nation a while back on "spot reduction" and that he believed that there is a degree of truth to it:  http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/spot_reduction_is_real_heres_how_to_do_it (http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/spot_reduction_is_real_heres_how_to_do_it)

I've read other articles that certain foods affect accumulation of fat on different parts of the body. All this stuff is at least worth looking into but it goes against conventional wisdom and controversial.

I have no idea about my exact BF % but it must be low indeed. But even when I was fatter, my face was always thin looking. It differs a lot between individuals idd.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 10:51:07 AM
a 28 inch waist @ 6 foot 3 inches and 10-12% bodyfat is TINY

hell, when i was sub-6 @ 5'11" my waist measured 29.25 inches, and i'm known for have a very small waist

The BF percentage was basically a random number, I have no idea what it is exactly but I'm guessing around 10 or so. Would be surprised if it's lower but who knows.

It's even 27 or 27.5 but since they don't sell jeans in that waist size (for men), I always say 28 inches.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Hulkotron on August 21, 2012, 10:53:32 AM
If you have a 27" waist at 6'3" you're in the running for skinniest man on planet Earth.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: dj181 on August 21, 2012, 10:55:01 AM
The BF percentage was basically a random number, I have no idea what it is exactly but I'm guessing around 10 or so. Would be surprised if it's lower but who knows.

It's even 27 or 27.5 but since they don't sell jeans in that waist size (for men), I always say 28 inches.

what do your wrists measure?

if you are really so small-framed then you won the genetic lottery for having a very asethic physique 8)
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 11:07:01 AM
If you have a 27" waist at 6'3" you're in the running for skinniest man on planet Earth.

I'm still 220, 3 years clean now.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 11:08:08 AM
what do your wrists measure?

if you are really so small-framed then you won the genetic lottery for having a very asethic physique 8)

No idea, the waist size I only know because I actually need to know for clothes. I'm not into measuring bodyparts. I have to say, I was surprised it was that low as well.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 11:09:03 AM
Correction: that had to be 200 pounds.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Hulkotron on August 21, 2012, 11:10:48 AM
I recall Moen posting pics at one time and looking impressive.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 11:14:39 AM
I recall Moen posting pics at one time and looking impressive.

Probably sarcastic but, I have never ever posted pictures on any BB board. I never had a picture-worthy physique neither so no use there  :D
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Psychopath on August 21, 2012, 11:19:50 AM
That's your normal look, get used to it.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Hulkotron on August 21, 2012, 11:20:17 AM
Probably sarcastic but, I have never ever posted pictures on any BB board. I never had a picture-worthy physique neither so no use there  :D

No I was serious, I must be thinking of someone else.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 11:36:34 AM
No I was serious, I must be thinking of someone else.

You are!
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 11:37:48 AM
That's your normal look, get used to it.

I don't know about you, but I've never been nearly as lean pre-bodybuilding as I was since I started so no.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Papper on August 21, 2012, 11:59:05 AM
You think 50 looks better/more attractive here?

(http://www.thedailyinquirer.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/FIFTY-CENT-WEIGHT-LOSS-2.jpg)

And I look significantly leaner than this still (in the face only!).

To be fair, 50 is not only in a lean state here.

He also has a tired junkie gleam in his eyes and appently got grey eyebrows in the process
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: oldtimer1 on August 21, 2012, 12:43:08 PM
Its just because people are used to seeing other fat people, lean individuals sadly are the minority, the same women who say you look ill will be the same ones trying to rip off your pants after a few drinks.
You nailed it on the head. People are use to seeing chubby faces so when you are lean it looks odd to them. When I get lean the first place it comes off is my face too. Why couldn't it be my gut first?
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 01:12:43 PM
You nailed it on the head. People are use to seeing chubby faces so when you are lean it looks odd to them. When I get lean the first place it comes off is my face too. Why couldn't it be my gut first?

But your face looks acceptable still? Do people ask you if you are terminally ill?  :D
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: oldtimer1 on August 21, 2012, 03:27:29 PM
When I get too lean I don't like how my face looks so I know what you mean. Some guys look better with a really lean face but for some it looks bad. I seem to get that sick look when I'm really low on fat. There seems to be a line between when you start to really rip up where your face goes from looking athletic to sick.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Psychopath on August 21, 2012, 04:05:18 PM
I don't know about you, but I've never been nearly as lean pre-bodybuilding as I was since I started so no.


Ok fine, let me rephrase. That's your natural look if you're athletic lean.

...get use to it, and fuck what others think. If you're concerned because what others say, especially about this matter, then you're doing yourself a big injustice.
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: epic_alien on August 21, 2012, 04:07:12 PM
Who else has this problem?

My face starts looking like skeletor's early on in the process already. I'm not even talking REAL lean here, say 10-12% BF and my face looks very unhealthy already.

I can't continue walking around like this, people are constantly asking me if I'm on drugs or even terminally ill LOL

This shit cray  :'( :'( :'( :( :( :(

have you been competing in nevada?
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: arce1988 on August 21, 2012, 04:07:37 PM
  Sucks
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 04:13:29 PM
have you been competing in nevada?

I'm not from the US so this may be a joke I'm missing, but no  ;)
Title: Re: Face getting too lean while dropping fat/weight
Post by: Moen on August 21, 2012, 04:14:32 PM

Ok fine, let me rephrase. That's your natural look if you're athletic lean.

...get use to it, and fuck what others think. If you're concerned because what others say, especially about this matter, then you're doing yourself a big injustice.

Many people suspect I'm a drug addict (for real), that is not exactly the message I want to give to the world. I normally would agree with you but...

Besides, I agree with them. Out of the hundreds BB competitors I've seen, natural or enhanced, none of their faces looked like mine. And I am most certainly not stage-lean lol