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Dan Henderson injured, Machida was offered Jones. Said no. Chael offered Jones. Accepted. Jones declined. UFC 151 cancelled.
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It's the news on one wants to hear just a week away from UFC 151, but Dan Henderson has been forced to withdraw from his main event challenge of champion Jon Jones. UFC president Dana White made the announcement on Thursday that Henderson would be unable to compete next weekend in his bid to win the UFC light heavyweight title. After several unsuccessful attempts secure a new opponent for Jones, the UFC unfortunately made the unprecedented move of canceling UFC 151 altogether.
“This is probably one of my all time lows as being president of the UFC,” said White. “For the first time in 11 years, we’re going to cancel an event. Dan Henderson has a partial tear in his MCL (and could not continue).” White said that one man, Chael Sonnen, agreed to take the fight, but Jones said he would not fight Sonnen on eight days notice. “This fight is cancelled. It will be Jon Jones vs. Lyoto Machida on Sept. 22 in Toronto on the UFC 152 Canada card,” White stated, clearly distraught by having to pull the plug on an event little more than a week out.
This marks the first time in UFC history that the promotion has cancelled an event so close to fight time.
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hahahahahahhaha so much for the UFC to become the premier combat sport
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Wow, I could care less about this fight, but it seems like a lot of folks are going to get royally fucked on this deal. What about people who have already bought airline tickets, rental cars, hotels, etc, just to go watch the fight. Then, you pull the plug 1 week before the fight? The last thing White should do is cancel the fight. Get some fucking stand ins for the main event, put something together, but don't cancel the entire fucking event.
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Wow! Can't believe Machida said no.
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Jon Jones is a Fuckwit, pure and simple, the poor deluded fool thinks he is the second coming of Christ, the moment that fool gets beat more than once they will kick his ass so hard to the curb. Jones will end up a deluded broke drug addict/drunk by 45.
Dana White: "This is probably one of my all time lows of being President in 11 years. For the first time in 11 years, we're going to cancel an event."
-- Henderson has a partial tear in his MCL and couldn't continue. He tried to train and get back but he can't. So they had to cancel.
-- White says Chael Sonnen accepted the fight with 8 days notice, really wanted to do it and said he would fly to Vegas. They started working on putting the fight together and they were going to announce on this call that Sonnen was fighting Jones but Jones turned it down.
-- White says a guy who is the 205-pound champion and one of the pound-for-pound best has never cancelled a fight.
-- Jon Jones vs. Lyoto Machida has been booked for UFC 152 on Sept. 22, 2012, as the new main event in Toronto.
-- White says Jones was hit with some options and knew the consequences of what would happen if he declined the Sonnen fight. He still declined. White is basically throwing Jones under the bus during this call.
-- White reveals that Greg Jackson told Jon Jones that taking a fight against Chael Sonnen on 8 days notice would be the "biggest mistake of his career." White is blasting that thought, especially since Sonnen was willing to fly out and do the fight as a middleweight.
-- White on Jackson -- "This guy is a fucking sport killer."
-- Unsure how long Dan Henderson will be out.
-- "In the history of the UFC, I mean Tito's been the most difficult guy in the history of the company since I've been here and Tito Ortiz didn't not take fights." Dana is pissed about Jones turning down Sonnen and getting the event cancelled.
-- White is repeatedly banging home the fact that Jones is the first champion to ever turn down a match.
-- UFC 152 will now become UFC 151: "Jones vs. Machida 2."
-- White is asked if this decision will affect the UFC sponsoring Jones going forward. White says he always hated it and he's the wrong guy to ask about it.
-- Regarding the plans for the rest of the UFC 151 fights that were scheduled -- "We'll figure it out." Makes it sound like they'll simply move those fights to other cards and proceed with them as planned.
-- When asked how this changes White's relationship with Jon Jones he simply says, "A lot."
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Fucken sucks. I never liked Jones he's a piece of shit.
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im sure brock will fight himself in the octogon again , and for cheap too
or they can get this dude to fight him, this guy is Jacked , he goes by DLB
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Fucken sucks. I never liked Jones he's a piece of shit.
Would you take a fight on 8 days notice, and who knows what type of shape your in, w/o any prep, and possibly lose?
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someone forward the Brooklyn Brawlers number to Dana White he will take on any fighter , any time, any where
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Would you take a fight on 8 days notice, and who knows what type of shape your in, w/o any prep, and possibly lose?
Jones is in shape, as he was training to fight Dan Henderson this weekend, Chael was the one who has not been training and yet agreed to fight anyways.
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Jones is in shape, as he was training to fight Dan Henderson this weekend, Chael was the one who has not been training and yet agreed to fight anyways.
Thank you for the correction. Maybe, Jones likes to train for specific competitors?
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Not enough to cancel the entire show IMO......Weeks out yes but not one week out.....very odd.
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Thank you for the correction. Maybe, Jones likes to train for specific competitors?
Who cares when you're the champ you fucken step up and take on whoever they throw at you. When Wanderlia Silva was champ he would move up and fight guys 50 pounds heavier than him on like a 5 day notice. Jones looks like a pussy.
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Who cares when you're the champ you fucken step up and take on whoever they throw at you. When Wanderlia Silva was champ he would move up and fight guys 50 pounds heavier than him on like a 5 day notice. Jones looks like a pussy.
Agree.
Not a good look for Mr. Jones at all.
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White has to be the biggest douche on the planet. Not understanding that Jones trained to fight Henderson for some time only to have that change at the last minute. It's not on Jones to just take anyone and everyone who will fight him on a whim. This isn't a tuff guy contest. Why cancel the whole event. Surely he could find other fighters to fight. Shit offer a 5 million dollar winner take all or some shit. Be creative Dana. Instead of cancelling the the event, find a way to turn it into the biggest event on the planet.
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White has to be the biggest douche on the planet. Not understanding that Jones trained to fight Henderson for some time only to have that change at the last minute. It's not on Jones to just take anyone and everyone who will fight him on a whim. This isn't a tuff guy contest.
BS - Thats all fighting sports are - tough guy contests, you live and die by your reputation, guys who take on all-comers are way more respected (win or lose) than prissy arseholes like Jones
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BS - Thats all fighting sports are - tough guy contests, you live and die by your reputation, guys who take on all-comers are way more respected (win or lose) than prissy arseholes like Jones
I don't disagree with what your saying but the Jones camp wants to stay on top for as long as possible. There's so much money for a guy like him outside the ring that it really doesn't make sense to have the thought of "I'll fight anyone at anytime"...
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BS - Thats all fighting sports are - tough guy contests, you live and die by your reputation, guys who take on all-comers are way more respected (win or lose) than prissy arseholes like Jones
GSP has turned into one of the most boring fighters on the planet yet he's making more money outside the ring then anyone.
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White has to be the biggest douche on the planet. Not understanding that Jones trained to fight Henderson for some time only to have that change at the last minute. It's not on Jones to just take anyone and everyone who will fight him on a whim.
This is what the champ always should be ready for.
If you are the champ, always take the fight, no matter who it is.
Get some Fans Jon
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Make it happen Dana
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This is what the champ always should be ready for.
If you are the champ, always take the fight, no matter who it is.
Get some Fans Jon
When the President of the company doesn't really have the fighters backs, as seen in Whites comments about Jones, why do anything for him?
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I think it would take any man more than a good 2-3 months to prepare for a fight with Chael. Just his takedowns alone are difficult for anyone to stop. Not to mention that the guy has solid ground and striking game, that's a headache for anyone.
That said, Jon Jones is not a brawler. He fights based on a set game plan and is working with Jackson who is known to review all prior fights that a challenger might have available on tape. Jackson isn't a cowboy and it seems that Jones has followed suit.
Jackson was right in that throwing Sonnen in the mix 8 days prior to showtime could have cost Jones his belt.
Chael, on the other hand, can give two shits who they place in front of him, he is ready to fight at ALL times. Win, lose or draw - Chael will fucking fight anyone in the UFC.
I respect Chael's character and approach in the Octagon. He reminds me of the way Royce Gracie used to be in the original UFC's. A true fighter isn't scared or worried about the lack of training involved for a particular fighter.
A true fighter is always ready to fight.
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I could see Jones not wanting the switch if there was a huge disparity in the styles that Henderson and Sonnen fight with...but there isn't. They're both wrestlers...if anything, Sonnen is an easier fight because he's smaller and lacks the punching power that Henderson carries.
First the DUI...now he pusses out of fighting a middleweight? Fuck Jon Jones. Had much respect for him, but it's gone now...
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I don't disagree with what your saying but the Jones camp wants to stay on top for as long as possible. There's so much money for a guy like him outside the ring that it really doesn't make sense to have the thought of "I'll fight anyone at anytime"...
Maybe, but pissing of the president of the UFC is probably not a great career move either, when you are the first champion ever to turn down a fight, even on short notice, leading to an event being cancelled and big money lost leading to DANA labelling you "selfish" and "disgusting" you have pretty much assured that your career is over when you begin to lose. The UFC doesn't need Jon Jones, but Jon Jones needs the UFC, I believe his decision was the worst career move any fighter could ever make, considering he probably could have beat Chael in about 30 seconds.
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I think it would take any man more than a good 2-3 months to prepare for a fight with Chael. Just his takedowns alone are difficult for anyone to stop. Not to mention that the guy has solid ground and striking game, that's a headache for anyone.
That said, Jon Jones is not a brawler. He fights based on a set game plan and is working with Jackson who is known to review all prior fights that a challenger might have available on tape. Jackson isn't a cowboy and it seems that Jones has followed suit.
Jackson was right in that throwing Sonnen in the mix 8 days prior to showtime could have cost Jones his belt.
Chael, on the other hand, can give two shits who they place in front of him, he is ready to fight at ALL times. Win, lose or draw - Chael will fucking fight anyone in the UFC.
I respect Chael's character and approach in the Octagon. He reminds me of the way Royce Gracie used to be in the original UFC's. A true fighter isn't scared or worried about the lack of training involved for a particular fighter.
A true fighter is always ready to fight.
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You are right about Chael. But I wonder if he was holding the title would his attitude change. It's easy to have that attitude when your looking up at someone else holding the belt. He even said on Rogan broadcast that most of his shit is made up.
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Agree.
Not a good look for Mr. Jones at all.
Agree, why would he say no to Sonnen, Sonnen and Henderson are both Wrestlers, He would have trained similar in both cases.
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jones has just taken his first step out the door
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BS - Thats all fighting sports are - tough guy contests, you live and die by your reputation, guys who take on all-comers are way more respected (win or lose) than prissy arseholes like Jones
QUOTED FOR FUCKING TRUTH !!!
Jon Jones is a great MMA fighter (maybe the greatest) but at the same time is a SPOILED ARROGANT ASSHOLE just like Floyd Mayweather Jr. !!!
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I could see Jones not wanting the switch if there was a huge disparity in the styles that Henderson and Sonnen fight with...but there isn't. They're both wrestlers...if anything, Sonnen is an easier fight because he's smaller and lacks the punching power that Henderson carries.
QFT
Plus:
Henderson: 3 month training camp getting ready for Jones
Sonnen: 3 day training camp getting ready for Jones
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And while we're at it...fuck Greg Jackson too...first chance he got he threw Rashad Evans under the bus to get Jones a title shot and now he plays a part in this fiasco? Man...I sure do hope Machida kicks his ass.
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And while we're at it...fuck Greg Jackson too...first chance he got he threw Rashad Evans under the bus to get Jones a title shot and now he plays a part in this fiasco? Man...I sure do hope Machida kicks his ass.
Dream my friend ! Machida is going to get destroyed by Jon Jones !!!
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Maybe, he did it once before even though Machida tagged him a time or two. The worst thing an athlete can do is start believing the BS hype that surrounds them. Jones seems to be heading in that direction and is due..if not overdue..for an ass kicking.
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Jon Jones should be STRIPPED of his world belt champion and SUSPENDED for at least 6 months !!!
I hope Dana White will realize how bad this incident is and act with the most severity against Jon Jones.
People like Jon Jones are a CANCER for the sport of UFC just like Floyd Mayweather is CANCER for the sport of boxing !!!
COWARDINESS AND CHERRYPICKING SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED IN COMBAT SPORT !!!
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Joe Rogan's Reaction to JJ ducking Chael:
"Now the entire UFC card is scrapped because Jones didn't accept a fight with a 185lb'er who is completely out of shape. WOW. Just wow."
http://twitter.com/joerogan/status/238724342811353090
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Joe Rogan's Reaction to JJ ducking Chael:
"Now the entire UFC card is scrapped because Jones didn't accept a fight with a 185lb'er who is completely out of shape. WOW. Just wow."
http://twitter.com/joerogan/status/238724342811353090
Big Joe Rogan should take that challenge by that out of shape 185lb'er
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Joe Rogan's Reaction to JJ ducking Chael:
"Now the entire UFC card is scrapped because Jones didn't accept a fight with a 185lb'er who is completely out of shape. WOW. Just wow."
http://twitter.com/joerogan/status/238724342811353090
Joe is also losing a gig at mandaly because of the UFC cancellation Joe's Gig was cancelled also. Fuck Jon Jones
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Daniel Cormier:
"Wouldn't be surprised if we get a call from ufc begging me to go down and kick his ass after mir."
Daniel Cormier@dc_mma
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ultimate faggott challenge
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Joe Rogan's Reaction to JJ ducking Chael:
"Now the entire UFC card is scrapped because Jones didn't accept a fight with a 185lb'er who is completely out of shape. WOW. Just wow."
http://twitter.com/joerogan/status/238724342811353090
Charlie Brenneman, a journeyman welterweight scheduled to fight Australia’s Kyle Noke in a preliminary card bout to be aired on Facebook, tweeted at Jones: “U can send my check to PO box 198. EH NJ. Rent is due the first, so preferably by then. Thanks.”
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im sure brock will fight himself in the octogon again , and for cheap too
or they can get this dude to fight him, this guy is Jacked , he goes by DLB
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Dude's got gyno.
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Greg Jackson should never be interviewed by anyone ever again...except by a psychiatrist.
Damn Dana was incensed. One thing thats for certain is that chaels stock rose pretty high with Lorenzo and Dana.
How would Nike react knowing that Jones didnt " just do it"?
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I wish an IFBB/NPC competitor could tell Manion and Co. That they will not compete at a said event (like, "I'm skipping the O this yr.", "But, you are Mr. Olympia?", "So what, I am not doing it.") or not guestpose at the last minute "Hey Kai, we need you to guestpose at _____, Phil Heath got sick.", "Sorry Manion, I can't. I'm in Brasil right now.", "But, you are under contract, and it would behoove you to do as I ask.", "Sorry, no can do.")
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why is the black guy fearful of the middleweight ::)
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why is the black guy fearful of the middleweight ::)
lol
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Video:
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It's Jones' right to decline the fight, but now he must endure the backlash and face the consequences. Good luck, fucking asshole.
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some middle weights can beat you at basketball though, maybe thats what he was thinking about
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UFC use to have so much buzz around it. I would get at least 5 texts a couple of nights before the fight people asking me where I'm going to watch it what bar etc. etc. Doesn't seem like people really care about it anymore. I still do many of the casual fans have lost interest. This doesn't help any.
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I think it would take any man more than a good 2-3 months to prepare for a fight with Chael. Just his takedowns alone are difficult for anyone to stop. Not to mention that the guy has solid ground and striking game, that's a headache for anyone.
That said, Jon Jones is not a brawler. He fights based on a set game plan and is working with Jackson who is known to review all prior fights that a challenger might have available on tape. Jackson isn't a cowboy and it seems that Jones has followed suit.
Jackson was right in that throwing Sonnen in the mix 8 days prior to showtime could have cost Jones his belt.
Chael, on the other hand, can give two shits who they place in front of him, he is ready to fight at ALL times. Win, lose or draw - Chael will fucking fight anyone in the UFC.
I respect Chael's character and approach in the Octagon. He reminds me of the way Royce Gracie used to be in the original UFC's. A true fighter isn't scared or worried about the lack of training involved for a particular fighter.
A true fighter is always ready to fight.
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OK a simple solution would have been to accept the fight as non- title fight. I am sure Dana would rather have the fight go on as non-title fight rather then flop the entire card altogether.
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The card wasnt strong enough to stand on its own minus the main event.
Despite all the marketing hype Jones seems to draw mostly negativity from regular fans. This incident will probably have more people rooting for Machida to win than before.
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The card wasnt strong enough to stand on its own minus the main event.
Despite all the marketing hype Jones seems to draw mostly negativity from regular fans. This incident will probably have more people rooting for Machida to win than before.
Yes, Jon Jones just became the most hated UFC competitor even beating Bisban
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Dude's got gyno.
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I know this is a thread where I should be saying something macho like "Sonnen by figure-four leglock", but I just wanted to pop in and say........I would tongue Dana Linn's pee slit.
;D
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suckmymuscle is turning over in his grave right now
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Yes, Jon Jones just became the most hated UFC competitor even beating Bisban
Should be interesting to see the crowd reaction when he faces machida on the 22nd.
Bisbing and Koscheck just play the bad guy role for the cameras.
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Should be interesting to see the crowd reaction when he faces machida on the 22nd.
Bisbing and Koscheck just play the bad guy role for the cameras.
He will get booooed, us Canadians don't fuck around ;D
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He will get booooed, us Canadians don't fuck around ;D
Oh yeah...the fight is in toronto right?
The canada card got upgraded.
Chael should have plenty of new verbal ammo for his 205 move.
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OK a simple solution would have been to accept the fight as non- title fight. I am sure Dana would rather have the fight go on as non-title fight rather then flop the entire card altogether.
A loss is a loss my friend.
Besides, being beat by Chael Sonnen means a lot since he is a weight class below Jon Jones. That would be devastating.
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A loss is a loss my friend.
Besides, being beat by Chael Sonnen means a lot since he is a weight class below Jon Jones. That would be devastating.
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Yes, and losing to Chael would mean being the butt of Chaels jokes and comments for years to come.
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Yes, and losing to Chael would mean being the butt of Chaels jokes and comments for years to come.
That goes without saying.
Chael would get a lot of mileage from that win. He would even go as far as to use it as a means by which he can imply that if given another chance, he would blow Anderson Silva out of the water by way of fight/skill comparison to Jon Jones.
Right now, people see Jon Jones and Anderson Silva as the two best fighters in the sport. I feel strongly that Silva is the best fighter in the UFC at the moment, but many others feel that Jones is the best due to his destruction of the weight class.
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Yes, and losing to Chael would mean being the butt of Chaels jokes and comments for years to come.
Ducking Chael would mean pretty much the same thing. Dana will probably request that greg jackson's name be included whenever Chael fires up the media machine.
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Very little chance he would have lost, no more risk then Henderson, so his decision is not logical
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Very little chance he would have lost, no more risk then Henderson, so his decision is not logical
I beg to differ captain.
I actually can see Chael getting a close decision over Jon Jones, especially in light of all the shit that has been going on (DUI, Backing out, problems with Fertita and White).
That, and Greg Jackson felt STRONGLY that fighting against Chael would have brought him a loss. Chael has been aiming at the light-heavyweight division for quite some time and has thrown many jabs at his desire to beat the living shit out of Jones. For as much as Dana wants to shit on Greg Jackson, the guy does know MMA and has solid reason for pushing Jones to back out.
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P.S. Remember what Dana said, it was not Jones' decision, he backed out strictly after Jackson told him to do so.
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Very little chance he would have lost, no more risk then Henderson, so his decision is not logical
Perhaps he was visited by GOD who told him to not take the fight.
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Very little chance he would have lost, no more risk then Henderson, so his decision is not logical
Not neccessarily the same thing. Even though both are essentially wrestlers Dan would have stood with jones longer whereas Chael would be constantly looking to take the fight to the ground and grind out a decision. Different gameplan would be needed which is probably why Jackson had Jones pull the plug on the match.
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Any way you slice it, Jones appears the yellow-bellied paper champion.
Chael has always had my respect, but he now has a lot more. Sure, if he won it would do his career endless good, but that's not the point. He has the stones to throw down with whomever and whenever.
Just like the trend of fights going to decisions ... Jones is petrified to lose. The absolute avoidance of a possible loss has made MMA, in general, and the UFC, specifically, boring and lame.
Jones is a twerp and I can't wait to see him get his ass handed to him.
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You guys are not thinking this through
1. Chael is in a lower category. Yes weight counts for something.
2. Chael has not been training for a fight, more then likely has been sitting on his ass. Not many people train ferociously after a fight especially a fight you lost.
3.Chael has not trained to fight him either, so both are at disadvantage in the same way
4. Chael doesn't have the punching power Henderson does
5. Chael is coming off a lost
6. Henderson is an Olympic wrestler, I dare any of you to say he is not as good as Chael in wrestling, he is bigger and has a loner reach
His risk went down significantly and he let the whole UFC down on his fucken selfish decision.
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Perhaps he was visited by GOD who told him to not take the fight.
How old are you :-\
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How old are you :-\
Old enough to know that GOD doesn't exist! :-*
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You guys are not thinking this through
1. Chael is in a lower category. Yes weight counts for something.
2. Chael has not been training for a fight, more then likely has been sitting on his ass. Not many people train ferociously after a fight especially a fight you lost.
3.Chael has not trained to fight him either, so both are at disadvantage in the same way
4. Chael doesn't have the punching power Henderson does
5. Chael is coming off a lost
6. Henderson is an Olympic wrestler, I dare any of you to say he is not as good as Chael in wrestling, he is bigger and has a loner reach
His risk went down significantly and he let the whole UFC down on his fucken selfish decision.
Valid points however he does pose enough of a risk to prompt Jackson to call it off.
Jones was also hesitant about facing machida again because the last fight with Lyoto didnt draw as many payperview buys and businessman Jones now wants big pay days.
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Big Joe Rogan should take that challenge by that out of shape 185lb'er
Rogan is so far up Dana's ass it's disgusting.
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Old enough to know that GOD doesn't exist!
Bro don't be in-mature, save it for the other thread.
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Valid points however he does pose enough of a risk to prompt Jackson to call it off.
Jones was also hesitant about facing machida again because the last fight with Lyoto didnt draw as many payperview buys and businessman Jones now wants big pay days.
Jones is such a wanker calling himself a businessman, somehow I don't think Donald trump is shaking in his boots, it is obvious he is just another shrewd greedy fuck who thinks he is somehow special, businessman my arse, he will end up like every other fighter, fighting too long, drug addicted or an alcoholic who relies on his kids who hate him because he is a washed up good for nothing bum.
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Valid points however he does pose enough of a risk to prompt Jackson to call it off.
Jones was also hesitant about facing machida again because the last fight with Lyoto didnt draw as many payperview buys and businessman Jones now wants big pay days.
Well if a loss is what he is worried about because of his image, ducking people or avoiding someone or backing down from a fight where you would be the odds favorite anyway is a harder hit on someones rep and legacy
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Its safe to say that Jones wont be wearing ( or exemplifies ) any Nike's " just do it" attire when he faces Machida next month.
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Well if a loss is what he is worried about because of his image, ducking people or avoiding someone or backing down from a fight where you would be the odds favorite anyway is a harder hit on someones rep and legacy
I dont think he or Jackson foresaw the consequences that would result from him pulling out of the fight. He probably thought they would still hold the card minus him. Bad move. Whatever losses the UFC makes due to the cancellation will be pinned on him obviously.
Fan and media reaction is going to be nasty, not only for Jones but also for the Jackson camp.
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Just saw a second ago a commercial on Dishnetwork to order the fight for $44.95 or $54.99 for HD ;D
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Chael doesn't deserve a shot at Jones...Not now and maybe not ever. Chael just lost a title shot in a differen't class. It's not fair for Jones to have to go up against a guy who doesn't deserve the shot. Any fighter can lose on any given day. If Jones lost to Chael for not be prepared, it could and most likely will mean millions of dollars lost for him in the long run.
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I dont think he or Jackson foresaw the consequences that would result from him pulling out of the fight. He probably thought they would still hold the card minus him. Bad move. Whatever losses the UFC makes due to the cancellation will be pinned on him obviously.
Fan and media reaction is going to be nasty, not only for Jones but also for the Jackson camp.
If Jones keeps winning, none of this will matter to him really. He'll just end up being a hated fighter who no one can beat.
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I dont think he or Jackson foresaw the consequences that would result from him pulling out of the fight. He probably thought they would still hold the card minus him. Bad move. Whatever losses the UFC makes due to the cancellation will be pinned on him obviously.
Fan and media reaction is going to be nasty, not only for Jones but also for the Jackson camp.
True, in fact Jones is probably pissed at Jackson right about now. I flipped through a few forums and he (Jones) is taking a lot of abuse, I mean he is getting raped all over the place. This has to effect him right now psychologically.
People are calling him a coward, a whiner, a selfish bitch, a trader, a disgusting person. People hate him, you think he was Bin Laden and I don't feel bad for him at all, he let the whole event down. When people benefit from such an event there is great responsibility. Not good what he did.
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If Jones keeps winning, none of this will matter to him really. He'll just end up being a hated fighter who no one can beat.
Actually it will matter as far as sponsors are concerned.
Would Nike throw their name behind a increasingly despised fighter? Not for long. There's a lot of money riding on how well Jones manages his public image. He just got knocked down a couple of notches.
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If Jones keeps winning, none of this will matter to him really. He'll just end up being a hated fighter who no one can beat.
Your posts are contradicting themselves. You said this would cost him millions if he lost in the long run. Then you said...
He will be just a hated fighter who no one can beat, well you don't think being a hated fighter will cost him millions and millions.
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Actually it will matter as far as sponsors are concerned.
Would Nike throw their name behind a increasingly despised fighter? Not for long. There's a lot of money riding on how well Jones manages his public image. He just got knocked down a couple of notches.
If Dana kicked him out of the UFC and Jones ended up doing side show events and never lost, Jones would be some kind of undefeated anti-hero. The way I see it, as long as he's undefeated, he really holds all the cards.
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Chael doesn't deserve a shot at Jones...Not now and maybe not ever. Chael just lost a title shot in a differen't class. It's not fair for Jones to have to go up against a guy who doesn't deserve the shot. Any fighter can lose on any given day. If Jones lost to Chael for not be prepared, it could and most likely will mean millions of dollars lost for him in the long run.
Chael puts asses in seats and gets large pay per view revenue.
As far as Dana is concerned, Chael is in the top 5 UFC fighters for his fan-draw alone.
Think Brock Lesnar and the effect he had for the UFC. Chael is a talker like all wwe talent and is exactly what Dana would like to have around the UFC.
That's the main reason why Dana went straight to Chael. He knows that what the Fertita's want is numbers in order to bring in revenue. Chael versus Jones would have been a way bigger pay day for the UFC than Henderson vs Jones and Machida vs Jones combined.
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Jones would be some kind of undefeated anti-hero.
Along the lines of a Fedor..
The way I see it, as long as he's undefeated, he really holds all the cards.
Correct.
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Your posts are contradicting themselves. You said this would cost him millions if he lost in the long run. Then you said...
He will be just a hated fighter who no one can beat, well you don't think being a hated fighter will cost him millions and millions.
My point being as long as he's undefeated, people are going to want to watch him fight. But just one loss could really effect his earning potential. So taking a fight on short notice of a guy out of his weight class is a no win for him either way.
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Along the lines of a Fedor..
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Yes Fedor. Except this time, Jones actually fought and beat everyone in his weight class in the UFC.
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hahah machida looks like some weird ethnic kid no one is gonna pay to see this poor guy get beat
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Chael puts asses in seats and gets large pay per view revenue.
As far as Dana is concerned, Chael is in the top 5 UFC fighters for his fan-draw alone.
Think Brock Lesnar and the effect he had for the UFC. Chael is a talker like all wwe talent and is exactly what Dana would like to have around the UFC.
That's the main reason why Dana went straight to Chael. He knows that what the Fertita's want is numbers in order to bring in revenue. Chael versus Jones would have been a way bigger pay day for the UFC than Henderson vs Jones and Machida vs Jones combined.
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Agreed. But if Jones lost to Chael, it could basically be the end of his career. Losing to a guy out of his weight class and who lost twice to Anderson. There is no upside to fighting Chael. The only ones who win are Chael and the UFC. It could be devastating for Jones. And its wrong for White to put Jones in the situation of having to take that fight or be thrown to the media wolves. It's desperation on Whites part. Trying to bully Jones into fighting someone who has nothing to lose and everything to gain who isn't even in his weight class and last minute.
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Did Jones' payday change when the opponent changed?
For example.....$1M to fight Henderson became $100,000 to fight Chael?
If so, why not wait and fight Sonnen for a bigger payday when Chael has had a chance to train and hype the fight?
Just sayin'.......
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Agreed. But if Jones lost to Chael, it could basically be the end of his career. Losing to a guy out of his weight class and who lost twice to Anderson. There is no upside to fighting Chael. The only ones who win are Chael and the UFC. It could be devastating for Jones. And its wrong for White to put Jones in the situation of having to take that fight or be thrown to the media wolves. It's desperation on Whites part. Trying to bully Jones into fighting someone who has nothing to lose and everything to gain who isn't even in his weight class and last minute.
You are out of your mind. The responsibility was there from the beginning. The main event yields big benefits for the main fighter and the main fighter should be responsible to carry it out. The odds significantly dropped when they gave him an easier opponent, all the bad stuff you spoke of that could result if Jones had lost to Chael would have been there either way with Henderson. There is a risk either way.
You guys think to much of game plan, game plan? Cmon, he wins cause he is bigger, he has more reach, he is in shape, and he is more skillful. Give me 1 fight where Jones has one based on a game plan against his opponent? Utter non-sense, he is a head above the field and he dominant and all of a sudden it's about a game plan against a certain opponent. The few that claim this always go out and fight the exact same way
WHAT A COP OUT
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Trying to bully Jones into fighting someone who has nothing to lose and everything to gain who isn't even in his weight class and last minute.
Bully Jones? This is what Jones said in an interview in April:
"The UFC asks me to do anything and I always do it. I never tell them ‘no.’ I think I’ve had to do more marketing than any other fighter because I say no to absolutely nothing. I don’t think most champs are like that."
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Something is brewing...UFC was to air a special edition of their inisder show at 8pm on Fuel...then it got pushed back to 10pm...now it's set for 1AM.
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Bully Jones? This is what Jones said in an interview in April:
"The UFC asks me to do anything and I always do it. I never tell them ‘no.’ I think I’ve had to do more marketing than any other fighter because I say no to absolutely nothing. I don’t think most champs are like that."
There you have it, this debate is over. He is a coward using a fucken dumb excuse as a cop out and is a liar and a selfish asshole.
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Chael puts asses in seats and gets large pay per view revenue.
As far as Dana is concerned, Chael is in the top 5 UFC fighters for his fan-draw alone.
Think Brock Lesnar and the effect he had for the UFC. Chael is a talker like all wwe talent and is exactly what Dana would like to have around the UFC.
That's the main reason why Dana went straight to Chael. He knows that what the Fertita's want is numbers in order to bring in revenue. Chael versus Jones would have been a way bigger pay day for the UFC than Henderson vs Jones and Machida vs Jones combined.
Totally agree, MMA will be just like wrestling in 10-20 years with the explosions, ring girls, and fancy entrances, except it will be real fighting. Look at wrestling in the 70s when it was in its infant stage, same production you see today in MMA. That's why Dana was on Lestners nuts so bad, come on a title fight after 2 fights?
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Bully Jones? This is what Jones said in an interview in April:
"The UFC asks me to do anything and I always do it. I never tell them ‘no.’ I think I’ve had to do more marketing than any other fighter because I say no to absolutely nothing. I don’t think most champs are like that."
Yep, and Dana thought he was going to say "yes", again....
There you have it, this debate is over. He is a coward using a fucken dumb excuse as a cop out and is a liar and a selfish asshole.
Nope, people always think that the person who says "yes" all the time is a pushover---and that they'll say "yes" the next time, this time it was a "no".
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http://www.ufc.com/news/ufc-151-cancelled-press-release-082312 (http://www.ufc.com/news/ufc-151-cancelled-press-release-082312)
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Las Vegas, Nevada – For the first time in the history of the Ultimate Fighting Championship®, a UFC® champion has refused to face an alternative challenger after an injury to his original opponent, forcing the organization to cancel an event.
After challenger Dan Henderson suffered a torn medial collateral ligament in his right knee, UFC light heavyweight champion Jon Jones refused an alternative opponent, forcing UFC president Dana White to cancel the entire UFC 151 card at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas next Saturday.
On a conference call today, White said Jones refused to fight two-time middleweight title challenger Chael Sonnen, whom he proposed as a replacement for Henderson for the September 1 event.
"This is probably one of my all-time lows as being president of UFC,” White said. “Dan Henderson tried to train, he continued to work out and saw a doctor, but there was nothing we could do to save that fight.
“But Chael Sonnen stepped up accepted the fight with Jon Jones last night. As of 8pm last night, we thought we had a fight fans would love to see. Then at about 9pm the one thing I never thought would happen in a million years happened. Jon Jones said, “I won't fight Chael Sonnen on eight days notice’. That has never happened in the history of the UFC, a guy who is a champion, and a guy who is supposed to be one of the best fighters in the world, pound-for-pound, refuses to fight.
“Chael is just coming up from 185pounds. He said that not only would he face Jones in eight days, he’d jump in a plane to Vegas and fight him that night if he was asked to. Jon Jones said 'I'm not fighting Chael Sonnen with eight days' notice. Jones’s trainer, Greg Jackson, told Jon that taking the fight with Chael would be the biggest mistake of his life. That’s what he told Jon Jones. Let me tell you, this guy (Greg Jackson) is a sport killer.
“When you are a champion, much less one of the guys who is supposed to be one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world, you are supposed to step up. Jon Jones is a guy a lot of fans don’t like, and I don’t think this is going to make him any more popular. Lorenzo Fertitta (UFC chairman and CEO) and I are disgusted with Jon Jones and Greg Jackson.”
Ticket refunds are available at the point of purchase. Jones will now rematch with karate expert Lyoto Machida in the new main event of UFC 152 in Toronto, Canada.
White explained: “UFC 151 will be remembered as the event Jon Jones and Greg Jackson murdered.”
White said the fall-out for the UFC, its partners, fans and fighters was ‘huge’.
"It’s major, major deal," said White. "We lose a lot of money, money that’s already been spent. We’re eight days out. We’ve spent tons of money on this fight. How long and how far it goes and how bad it hurts I don’t know because it’s the first time we’ve done it.
“One thing that you really have to think about are the fighters on the undercard. Sure, Jon Jones is rich what does he care if he cancels the fight? But 20 other fighters on the card added up to almost a half a million dollars in purse money that Jones and Greg Jackson’s decision stole from them. No champion or headliner in UFC history has ever done that. As difficult as Tito Ortiz could be… even Tito never bailed on a fight.”
“Many people, from fans to PPV distributors, TV networks, sponsors, and more importantly fighters who are working hard to support their families and build their careers are hurt badly by this selfish decision.”
Henderson said: “This is the first time that the champion wouldn't step up and fight, and I was pretty shocked to hear that. It's not like he's injured. It's unbelievable to me that he wouldn't take that 'the show must go on' attitude. If there was any way I could have gone, and any way that I thought I could give myself a chance to compete, I would have done that."
Sonnen said: "I was shocked that he refused to fight me. I had already gone to the gym to train. He had a chance look prove himself a champion, an ultimate fighter, and he didn’t take that chance.”
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Yep, and Dana thought he was going to say "yes", again....Nope, people always think that the person who says "yes" all the time is a pushover---and that they'll say "yes" the next time, this time it was a "no".
Did you not hear Dana he is the first asshole to fuck the whole UFC card up, the first one at of the whole time UFC has been around, what 1993? 20 fucken years. The person in the main event are relied upon to carry the responsibility over the whole event that is why no one would say no to a replacement and everyone knows the replacement would be watered down, in this case Chael who has not been training sense his last fight and is in a lower category, how much more of a win on a silver platter can you give this asshole Jons.
Nice theory there Parker ya everyone always says yes, everyone always opens the doors to someone dying on there doorstep but ya you are right there is always a first time some fucken asshole doesn't.
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Yep, and Dana thought he was going to say "yes", again....
Well of course he did because a promise is a promise. A reminder; Jones said "The UFC asks me to do anything and I always do it" - he's suggesting he's loyal, and he didn't keep his word. So I guess that makes him a liar. He was offered an extremely easy fight - a guy 20 lbs lighter than him that has never won a belt - of course Dana White is going to assume it won't be a problem.
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Well of course he did because a promise is a promise. A reminder; Jones said "The UFC asks me to do anything and I always do it" - he's suggesting he's loyal, and he didn't keep his word. So I guess that makes him a liar. He was offered an extremely easy fight - a guy 20 lbs lighter than him that has never won a belt - of course Dana White is going to assume it won't be a problem.
Precisely so and the fucker said no, what a little selfish bitch.
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He's a delusional and entitled brat!
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Did you not hear Dana he is the first asshole to fuck the whole UFC card up, the first one at of the whole time UFC has been around, what 1993? 20 fucken years. The person in the main event are relied upon to carry the responsibility over the whole event that is why no one would say no to a replacement and everyone knows the replacement would be watered down, in this case Chael who has not been training sense his last fight and is in a lower category, how much more of a win on a silver platter can you give this asshole Jons.
Nice theory there Parker ya everyone always says yes, everyone always opens the doors to someone dying on there doorstep but ya you are right there is always a first time some fucken asshole doesn't.
He has the right to say "no"...to always assume or expect a "yes", is completely idiotic, and speaks volumes of how that person thinks of the other...
You can't compare someone dying on the front steps to this, that is hyperbole of the highest order.
Well of course he did because a promise is a promise. A reminder; Jones said "The UFC asks me to do anything and I always do it" - he's suggesting he's loyal, and he didn't keep his word. So I guess that makes him a liar. He was offered an extremely easy fight - a guy 20 lbs lighter than him that has never won a belt - of course Dana White is going to assume it won't be a problem.
Loyalty doesn't mean you take advantage or assume someone will always say yes.
And you know what happens to very "loyal" people in today's corporate culture? They get a "thank you" with their pink slip.
I respect a man to stand by his word, and i respect a man's ability to say "no", win, lose or draw when it comes down to it, a decision was made...just like Dana has made decisions and people have called him an a-hole, and he kept it moving, correct?
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Of course he has the right to say no just like the guy that slams the door on that dying person on his porch. Do you have any idea what was on the line here, 15 other fighters that are struggling with finances, brother people almost die for this shit. Some of these guys put it all on the line for this event. The UFC has over 200 imployees, millions of dollars cause there has been an unwritten rule for 20 years that a fighter with the responsibility to carry the main event doesn't shut them down at the last minute.
You make me laugh at "he has the right to say no" FFS is that the fucken point, really?'''
I have the right to not show up at my Moms funeral, I have the right to ditch my 2 children and never see them again, even though they go crazy without me for a single day.
I have the right to fire my roofers and close shop even though some of them rely on weekly pay cheque to get by.
Of course he can say no, but that is precisely what makes him a fucken selfish low-life scum.
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Of course he has the right to say no just like the guy that slams the door on that dying person on his porch. Do you have any idea what was on the line here, 15 other fighters that are struggling with finances, brother people almost die for this shit. Some of these guys put it all on the line for this event. The UFC has over 200 imployees, millions of dollars cause there has been an unwritten rule for 20 years that a fighter with the responsibility to carry the main event doesn't shut them down at the last minute.
You make me laugh at "he has the right to say no" FFS is that the fucken point, really?'''
I have the right to not show up at my Moms funeral, I have the right to ditch my 2 children and never see them again, even though they go crazy without me for a single day.
I have the right to fire my roofers and close shop even though some of them rely on weekly pay cheque to get by.
Of course he can say no, but that is precisely what makes him a fucken selfish low-life scum.
People make choices, and if they choose to go into said profession, then that is their choice, just like bbing. And look at the idiots who chose to do G4P, when they could have a full time job or go to school and still compete.
None of that is written in stone, because Dana is another version of Manion.
And, I hope there are more people who say 'no"...basically, when people have this "jump when I say so", and then try to make you feel guilty of it, I think that is worse.
And so what if he lost, what if he got hurt? Then what? then people would say, "well you shouldn't have taken the fight at the last minute."---and the said people who work for the UFC got paid, and walk away.or
Sonnen is no slouch, and has nothing to lose. A win against him is not gauranteed, nothing is.
The examples you gave: Funeral, closing the door, can be moral decisions. How was your relationship with your mother? Etc, etc.
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People make choices, and if they choose to go into said profession, then that is their choice, just like bbing. And look at the idiots who chose to do G4P, when they could have a full time job or go to school and still compete.
None of that is written in stone, because Dana is another version of Manion.
And, I hope there are more people who say 'no"...basically, when people have this "jump when I say so", and then try to make you feel guilty of it, I think that is worse.
And so what if he lost, what if he got hurt? Then what? then people would say, "well you shouldn't have taken the fight at the last minute."---and the said people who work for the UFC got paid, and walk away.or
Sonnen is no slouch, and has nothing to lose. A win against him is not gauranteed, nothing is.
The examples you gave: Funeral, closing the door, can be moral decisions. How was your relationship with your mother? Etc, etc.
I personally know a woman who was abused by her husband, and one day shot him, and then during the funeral showed up and spit on his grave, in front of his family. Was she wrong, morally?
Nice example, I see you completely missed my point ??? oh well.
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Nice example, I see you completely missed my point ??? oh well.
Why did you think I deleted it...it had nothing to do with the situation...
It's not so much as the right to say "no", it's the expectation that said person will say "yes" and always say yes...."Good boy, want a cookie?" type of mentality.
And i believe, relating that to bbing, is one of reasons why bbers get no respect from Manion, the supp companies, etc. And because they don't have insurance and aren't paid as well for the abusive that they CHOOSE to put their bodies thru. Because they (the powers that be, and the supp companies) know that there are hungry ass bbers out there who will always do as their told, take it up the tailpipe, and accept crumbs. And if you say "no", they say, "think about the fans, and the people who put the show together...DO YOU want to be RESPONSIBLE for THEM not GETTING PAID?"
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Of course he has the right to say no just like the guy that slams the door on that dying person on his porch. Do you have any idea what was on the line here, 15 other fighters that are struggling with finances, brother people almost die for this shit. Some of these guys put it all on the line for this event. The UFC has over 200 imployees, millions of dollars cause there has been an unwritten rule for 20 years that a fighter with the responsibility to carry the main event doesn't shut them down at the last minute.
You make me laugh at "he has the right to say no" FFS is that the fucken point, really?'''
I have the right to not show up at my Moms funeral, I have the right to ditch my 2 children and never see them again, even though they go crazy without me for a single day.
I have the right to fire my roofers and close shop even though some of them rely on weekly pay cheque to get by.
well written, of course he can refuse the fight but man up and fight, if you are the champ then you defend your belt.
jones should not question his opponent as dana and the UFC are going to make sure its a popular match
Of course he can say no, but that is precisely what makes him a fucken selfish low-life scum.
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Lyoto Machida...a man who drinks his own pee...has turned down the 9/22 fight with Jones. Vitor Belfort will move up from 185 to take the bout.
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Jones v Vitor
http://www.ufc.com/news/ufc-152-fight-card-updates?vitor
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Jones would beat Chael, no problem to big to strong, he knows it, but he doesnt want to give the big mouth white boy a payday, thats it simple and thats why Dana is so pissed, Jones ego ruined the card, plain and simple, he thinks hes bigger than the sport, he should have taken the fight and given him a beating, but hes doing a Mayweather, but this aint boxing hopefully Dana lowers his purses bigtime, outside the UFC he could earn peanuts, hes hurt his financial future thats for sure.
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"Mixed Martial Arts" ::)
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Dan Henderson injured, Machida was offered Jones. Said no. Chael offered Jones. Accepted. Jones declined. UFC 151 cancelled.
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It's the news on one wants to hear just a week away from UFC 151, but Dan Henderson has been forced to withdraw from his main event challenge of champion Jon Jones. UFC president Dana White made the announcement on Thursday that Henderson would be unable to compete next weekend in his bid to win the UFC light heavyweight title. After several unsuccessful attempts secure a new opponent for Jones, the UFC unfortunately made the unprecedented move of canceling UFC 151 altogether.
“This is probably one of my all time lows as being president of the UFC,” said White. “For the first time in 11 years, we’re going to cancel an event. Dan Henderson has a partial tear in his MCL (and could not continue).” White said that one man, Chael Sonnen, agreed to take the fight, but Jones said he would not fight Sonnen on eight days notice. “This fight is cancelled. It will be Jon Jones vs. Lyoto Machida on Sept. 22 in Toronto on the UFC 152 Canada card,” White stated, clearly distraught by having to pull the plug on an event little more than a week out.
This marks the first time in UFC history that the promotion has cancelled an event so close to fight time.
News that Machida turn down the fight only was revealed last night, ~1am EST. How the fuck did you knows this so early? or just typo that turned out to be truth?
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Call me a conspiracy theororist, but i'm beggining to think UFC 151 was cancelled intentionally just to make 152 the most anticipated card ever. Think about it. Why in the fuck would White cancel 151 only to lose a "shit load" of money as he put it? Maybe, because the card was a flop? UFC is losing viewers more and more every month. The 151 card sucked, they probably weren't getting the numbers they were expecting. UFC is stale right now. They don't have anyone new, exciting, etc. They keep bringing back the same fighters who are washed up, and continually get their asses handed to them (Shogun, Tito, etc.).
So I go to Yahoo this morning, and what do I see? UFC star now most hated man in MMA. Dana White just created the most hated man in MMA. Now, 152 will sell out in record time, and will probably have one of the largest PPV ever. Are you really telling me White couldn't have put together a decent main event for 151, and kept it going? Seriously? He could have had brought in Kimbo vs Roy Nelson, and people would have watched it. Why cancel 151? So you can create "the most hated MMA fighter ever", and make 152 one of the most viewed MMA events ever.
UFC is getting as bad as fucking WWF. ::)
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I never liked Jones. There's something really off about him. He's a pretend nice guy, trying too hard but he's a true douche behind it. Like Anderson Silva. I'm sorry to say, an honourable and humble black man is a hard thing to find.
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Call me a conspiracy theororist, but i'm beggining to think UFC 151 was cancelled intentionally just to make 152 the most anticipated card ever. Think about it. Why in the fuck would White cancel 151 only to lose a "shit load" of money as he put it? Maybe, because the card was a flop? UFC is losing viewers more and more every month. The 151 card sucked, they probably weren't getting the numbers they were expecting. UFC is stale right now. They don't have anyone new, exciting, etc. They keep bringing back the same fighters who are washed up, and continually get their asses handed to them (Shogun, Tito, etc.).
So I go to Yahoo this morning, and what do I see? UFC star now most hated man in MMA. Dana White just created the most hated man in MMA. Now, 152 will sell out in record time, and will probably have one of the largest PPV ever. Are you really telling me White couldn't have put together a decent main event for 151, and kept it going? Seriously? He could have had brought in Kimbo vs Roy Nelson, and people would have watched it. Why cancel 151? So you can create "the most hated MMA fighter ever", and make 152 one of the most viewed MMA events ever.
UFC is getting as bad as fucking WWF. ::)
You're making some sense here. On top of that, Dana could have easily filled the spot with some other fighters. Anderson Silva told Dana he would fight(not against Jones) but Dana could have easily filled the spot. He choose not to and pin it all on Jones. Something doesn't smell right.
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I actually met JJ at an event in a few years ago. He's the farthest thing from cocky, etc. Actually very humble and went out of his way to talk with fans, etc.
I don't get where all this negative bs is coming from.
I also don't think he's a big pussy for not accepting a fight 9 days out. Money talks you morons. You think he wants to risk champion money after being dethroned in a possible loss from a 9 day notice fight?
Most of you posting on here are fucking delusional.
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I never liked Jones. There's something really off about him. He's a pretend nice guy, trying too hard but he's a true douche behind it. Like Anderson Silva. I'm sorry to say, an honourable and humble black man is a hard thing to find.
Shut your fuckin' face you pyschotic Mick...You know shit about black men.
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I actually met JJ at an event in a few years ago. He's the farthest thing from cocky, etc. Actually very humble and went out of his way to talk with fans, etc.
I don't get where all this negative bs is coming from.
I also don't think he's a big pussy for not accepting a fight 9 days out. Money talks you morons. You think he wants to risk champion money after being dethroned in a possible loss from a 9 day notice fight?
Most of you posting on here are fucking delusional.
A man can change a lot in a few years, especially when success and money are involved. I liked JOnes on his way up. Seemed like a good guy, but the higher he's flown the bigger is head's got.
Part of me does feel Jones was entitled to turn down a bout with Chael. He signed up to fight Henderson and when that changed i'd imagine the agreement was voided. But as some have said he was already training to fight a bigger, possibly better wrestler with dangerous knockout power and Chael would likely have been an easier fight.
It would have been a win-win fight. Chael loss- his haters get to see him beaten again Jones fans get to see him fight , Jones loss- Jones haters get to see their dream come true.
Jones has done his image damage whether it was his choice or Greg Jackson's.
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Even though Sonnen would have been a big underdog in this fight you gotta respect the fact that upon receiving the call he told Dana he would "Fly up to Las Vegas tonight and fight him if that's what he wanted." Love him or hate him Chael will step up to any challenge at the drop of a hat...gotta respect that gamesmanship.
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Shut your fuckin' face you pyschotic Mick...You know shit about black men.
Hard to find a good black man, Denzel Washington maybe...maybe Obama (he's only a little bleck). You mad?
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Hard to find a good black man, Denzel Washington maybe...maybe Obama (he's only a little bleck). You mad?
No, you're a medicated psychotic fool.
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No, you're a medicated psychotic fool.
I'm only yanking your chain. I thought it would be g_thang who took the bait, not you! All you do is talk about how you love white wimminz anyway just like all other blecks. You mad I pull crackers all the time but only the mudsharks go for you? You mad?
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I'm only yanking your chain. I thought it would be g_thang who took the bait, not you! All you do is talk about how you love white wimminz anyway just like all other blecks. You mad I pull crackers all the time but only the mudsharks go for you? You mad?
Well since you keep asking, yes, I am mad...lol
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I'm only yanking your chain. I thought it would be g_thang who took the bait, not you! All you do is talk about how you love white wimminz anyway just like all other blecks. You mad I pull crackers all the time but only the mudsharks go for you? You mad?
What bait? You're a piece of green shit, Irish drunk.
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What bait? You're a piece of green shit, Irish drunk.
Here he is! All my love to you, babe
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Why doesn't Dana White make this right? He could easily say " For this one time only, I will pay the appearance fees for all of the fighters on the card". He doesn't because he is a greedy bitch. Do something to Jones if you are pissed, but don't fuck everyone else over as well.
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If he did turn it down... fuck him
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Shut your fuckin' face you pyschotic Mick...You know shit about black men.
I know most black men are raised in single parent families. Many by their Grandmothers. Also, if you watch The First 48 you will most all the criminals are black. How's that for you?
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Someone is very pissed at Jon Jones.
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Someone is very pissed at Jon Jones.
Brilliant Now this is a piece of art 8)
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http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/nike-drop-jon-jones.html (http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/nike-drop-jon-jones.html)
Nike drop Jon Jones' Sponsorship Petition
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Greg Jackson Responds to Dana White
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http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/nike-drop-jon-jones.html (http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/nike-drop-jon-jones.html)
Nike drop Jon Jones' Sponsorship Petition
Jon Jones should be dropped from his Nike Sponsorship for refusing to fight Chael Sonnen and forcing the UFC to cancel an event! He didn't care if other UFC 151 fighters lost money or trained their butts off for nothing.
He didn't care that people had bought tickets for this fight. He didn't care if HIS FANS took off work, booked motel/hotel/condo reservations, and plane tickets purchased BY HIS FANS which a lot are not refundable. Chael Sonnen is a natural middleweight, with virtually the same wrestling pedigree as Dan Henderson. Jon Jones is arrogant about his abilities and is unwilling to back it up. He is a coward that doesn't deserve the abilities God blessed him with. He made a Chael Sonnen fan out of me, even as a die hard Anderson Silva fan.
Please signed the petition if you feel the same and don't think Jon Jones should be the only one to walk away from UFC 151, free and clear.
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"I Stand Before You, The LHW Champion" - Chael Sonnen
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“When I decided to go after the light heavyweight championship, I knew that I’d win it like I always do…I just didn’t know it would be by forfeit. But I do stand before you today the light heavyweight champion…I’m in the same position today as I was yesterday. The fight’s going to happen sooner or later. It’s not like I’m not going to beat this guy up. It’s just a matter of when. My biggest concern isn’t with the fight or myself at all. My biggest concern is with Dan Henderson and his health. I have a personal relationship with him. I know his kids and how much he loves playing with them, so I just hate to see the guy’s health in any kind of jeopardy.
I really think quite highly of Greg Jackson. You have to understand his opinion and influence on Jon is earned. Jon respects him. He earned that. I understand there are repercussions for Coach Jackson, but that’s what he’s hired to do. He’s not an employee of the UFC. He’s a coach and he gave the advice to his athlete—I respect that. I think we should respect that he spoke his mind to his athlete that trusts him.
I don’t know the mindset or who’s around (Jones). I only know who’s around me. Dan Henderson, Matt Lindland, Randy Couture. These are the guys who molded me not just physically, but mentally. They would fight anybody, any time, anywhere. Some people mean it when they say that.
“I’m from that same mold. I’d never disrespect those guys that gave so much to me by being the first one from our group to back down. And I never say that to sound like a tough guy. I say that because I think it’s really important that you’re never a bully in this sport. I hate them so much.
I have this stigma of being a trash talker, but my only goal was to bring these bullies down. I never picked on anybody who wasn’t No. 1 in the world. When I went after Wanderlei Silva, he had an aura around him that he couldn’t be beat. When I went after Anderson, when I went after Paulo Filho, the Nogueira brothers, Machida. If they were in my cross hairs, they were a No. 1 guy that everyone else was sidestepping.
They are all a bunch of punks and bullies and I will never be one. The only litmus test I have for myself—am I willing to fight anybody? When the day comes that I won’t fight somebody, I won’t fight anybody. If there is someone out there that makes me go ‘I’m not fighting him,’ then I’m not going to fight anyone*any more.*That’s what bullies do. Bullies pick and choose who they get in fights with based on who they think they can beat. I will never, ever do that. When the day comes that I back down, I will quit this sport.
This was his biggest opportunity. There’s no question I could beat Jon Jones. Jon Jones can beat me too. But I can beat him. If you ever wanted to stack the deck in his favor, you’d have done it on September 1. You’d have called me out of the blue, switched weight classes on me, put me on a plane to do a press tour, put me everywhere in the world except in the practice room. That was the opportunity he had. I could have beaten him, but he could have beaten me too.
The next time we meet up, when I’ve had a camp and my coaches around me, that’s not going to be the case. It’s really important to win these fights, and the world saw me lose a fight. I fell down. I’m not going to fall down again.
Jon Jones is a delusional brat. He talks of being a businessman?! What?! What risks did he take? What capital did he raise? Where exactly is his office located? How many people does me employ? Hey JJ, put me on the phone with your secretary… Oh wait, what?”
http://mma-fights.co.uk/features/chael-sonnen-sticks-the-boot-in/
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"I Stand Before You, The LHW Champion" - Chael Sonnen
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/548700/chael_sonnen_500x325.png)
“When I decided to go after the light heavyweight championship, I knew that I’d win it like I always do…I just didn’t know it would be by forfeit. But I do stand before you today the light heavyweight champion…I’m in the same position today as I was yesterday. The fight’s going to happen sooner or later. It’s not like I’m not going to beat this guy up. It’s just a matter of when. My biggest concern isn’t with the fight or myself at all. My biggest concern is with Dan Henderson and his health. I have a personal relationship with him. I know his kids and how much he loves playing with them, so I just hate to see the guy’s health in any kind of jeopardy.
I really think quite highly of Greg Jackson. You have to understand his opinion and influence on Jon is earned. Jon respects him. He earned that. I understand there are repercussions for Coach Jackson, but that’s what he’s hired to do. He’s not an employee of the UFC. He’s a coach and he gave the advice to his athlete—I respect that. I think we should respect that he spoke his mind to his athlete that trusts him.
I don’t know the mindset or who’s around (Jones). I only know who’s around me. Dan Henderson, Matt Lindland, Randy Couture. These are the guys who molded me not just physically, but mentally. They would fight anybody, any time, anywhere. Some people mean it when they say that.
“I’m from that same mold. I’d never disrespect those guys that gave so much to me by being the first one from our group to back down. And I never say that to sound like a tough guy. I say that because I think it’s really important that you’re never a bully in this sport. I hate them so much.
I have this stigma of being a trash talker, but my only goal was to bring these bullies down. I never picked on anybody who wasn’t No. 1 in the world. When I went after Wanderlei Silva, he had an aura around him that he couldn’t be beat. When I went after Anderson, when I went after Paulo Filho, the Nogueira brothers, Machida. If they were in my cross hairs, they were a No. 1 guy that everyone else was sidestepping.
They are all a bunch of punks and bullies and I will never be one. The only litmus test I have for myself—am I willing to fight anybody? When the day comes that I won’t fight somebody, I won’t fight anybody. If there is someone out there that makes me go ‘I’m not fighting him,’ then I’m not going to fight anyone*any more.*That’s what bullies do. Bullies pick and choose who they get in fights with based on who they think they can beat. I will never, ever do that. When the day comes that I back down, I will quit this sport.
This was his biggest opportunity. There’s no question I could beat Jon Jones. Jon Jones can beat me too. But I can beat him. If you ever wanted to stack the deck in his favor, you’d have done it on September 1. You’d have called me out of the blue, switched weight classes on me, put me on a plane to do a press tour, put me everywhere in the world except in the practice room. That was the opportunity he had. I could have beaten him, but he could have beaten me too.
The next time we meet up, when I’ve had a camp and my coaches around me, that’s not going to be the case. It’s really important to win these fights, and the world saw me lose a fight. I fell down. I’m not going to fall down again.
Jon Jones is a delusional brat. He talks of being a businessman?! What?! What risks did he take? What capital did he raise? Where exactly is his office located? How many people does me employ? Hey JJ, put me on the phone with your secretary… Oh wait, what?”
http://mma-fights.co.uk/features/chael-sonnen-sticks-the-boot-in/
HA HA Chael showing how to use the English language, unlike Jon Jones who sheepishly quotes an ancient Chinese military general born before Christ, Jon Jones wishes he was this articulate. Maybe Jackson can tell him how to respond. HA HA Chael is a funny dude.
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Classic, ROFL
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LMAo the gif is funny
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Jon Jones should be dropped from his Nike Sponsorship for refusing to fight Chael Sonnen and forcing the UFC to cancel an event! He didn't care if other UFC 151 fighters lost money or trained their butts off for nothing.
He didn't care that people had bought tickets for this fight. He didn't care if HIS FANS took off work, booked motel/hotel/condo reservations, and plane tickets purchased BY HIS FANS which a lot are not refundable. Chael Sonnen is a natural middleweight, with virtually the same wrestling pedigree as Dan Henderson. Jon Jones is arrogant about his abilities and is unwilling to back it up. He is a coward that doesn't deserve the abilities God blessed him with. He made a Chael Sonnen fan out of me, even as a die hard Anderson Silva fan.
Please signed the petition if you feel the same and don't think Jon Jones should be the only one to walk away from UFC 151, free and clear.
Nike is one sponsor who doesn't drop it's clients for things like this. They stand by their athletes for the most part. They love the controversy.
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Rashad Evans Offers His Take on Jon Jones
“It’s great that fighters have a right to choose a fight. It’s really one of the only liberties that we do have, the option to say yes or no to a fight. On the other hand, you have a tremendous responsibility as a champion. You’re the champion of the UFC. Not only that, you [Jon Jones] became champion of the UFC through circumstances like this.
"Through having the opportunity to fight for somebody that was injured, he stepped in for me after I got hurt to fight Shogun. So he was rewarded by the very process of somebody stepping in to take a fight. So he owes it to the UFC to take the fight. Not only that, he owes it to all the other fighters on this card who are going to be missing out paydays because of that.”
“Let’s not talk about how the UFC has done so much to make him the face of the UFC. They sponsor him. Everything that he has gotten is because of the UFC. The whole Nike endorsement and everything else like that, it’s all been because of the UFC.
"When he got in trouble a few months back it was the UFC who stood behind him and kind of made it go away relatively quickly. So for him to turn his back on the UFC, it’s very hard to believe, for one, but it’s just disappointing. I’m sure once he has the time to really understand the ramifications of his decision, he’s going to think like, ‘Wow, what did I really do?’“