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Christian Right's Favorite Pastor & Televangelist Creflo Dollar Arrested for CHOKING HIS DAUGHTER
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I wish you were his daughter.
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You are misguided. First, he is not the Christian right's favorite pastor. There is no such thing as an earthly "favorite pastor" for the collective body of the Church. Our favorite pastor is Jesuschrist.
Many Christians do not agree with his "prosperity message", nor do they consider him to have sound doctrine.
Second, many Christians condemned his actions. Unlike the silence in the Muslim community when "honor killings" occur.
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What do you say about Christians in Nigeria who 'honor kill' their daughters?
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I wish you were his daughter.
LOL.
Its great to have a gimmick that is so universally hated that it bring both sides together.
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What do you say about Christians in Nigeria who 'honor kill' their daughters?
Besides Christians there are also Hindus, who Indian and Pakistani Muslims take traditions from (not from Islam) when they commit honor killings. Completely contrary to Islam.
Btw there is no such thing in the qur'an but lets take a look at the bible's teachings:
Honor Killings in the Bible
Many Christians are often fond of accusing Muslims of committing several honor killings in the name of Islam; they then use this line of argument as a reason to discredit Islam in their eyes. In this article we shall once again turn the table on the Christian showing that honor killings can be found in the Bible, and that the Bible is for honor killings! Hence by their own criteria, Christians will have to abandon their own book.
Let us now see the honor killings in the Bible:
Lev 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
So note, if the priests daughter commits a bad sexual act, she is to be burned because of her fathers reputation, because it is against his honor. What will Christian say now? This is one example of honor killing in the Bible, in fact the act is ordered by the Bible itself.
“And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)”
“For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)”
So here the children are put to death for insulting their parents,
this is another example of honor killings,
the children are put to death for dis-honoring their very own parents and the punishment is death.
So we have seen 3 examples of honor killings in the Bible, so since Christians always have a problem with honor killings and say Islam is wrong because of some Muslims who commit this act, then the Bible is also wrong for allowing honor killings which also makes their own God wrong, and if God is wrong then he cant God because God is always correct. Either way the Christian is in a bad dilemma
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Besides Christians there are also Hindus, who Indian and Pakistani Muslims take traditions from (not from Islam) when they commit honor killings. Completely contrary to Islam.
Btw there is no such thing in the qur'an but lets take a look at the bible's teachings:
Honor Killings in the Bible
Many Christians are often fond of accusing Muslims of committing several honor killings in the name of Islam; they then use this line of argument as a reason to discredit Islam in their eyes. In this article we shall once again turn the table on the Christian showing that honor killings can be found in the Bible, and that the Bible is for honor killings! Hence by their own criteria, Christians will have to abandon their own book.
Let us now see the honor killings in the Bible:
Lev 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
So note, if the priests daughter commits a bad sexual act, she is to be burned because of her fathers reputation, because it is against his honor. What will Christian say now? This is one example of honor killing in the Bible, in fact the act is ordered by the Bible itself.
“And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)”
“For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)”
So here the children are put to death for insulting their parents,
this is another example of honor killings,
the children are put to death for dis-honoring their very own parents and the punishment is death.
So we have seen 3 examples of honor killings in the Bible, so since Christians always have a problem with honor killings and say Islam is wrong because of some Muslims who commit this act, then the Bible is also wrong for allowing honor killings which also makes their own God wrong, and if God is wrong then he cant God because God is always correct. Either way the Christian is in a bad dilemma
Christians who commit honor killings are bad.
Doesn't change the fact that the vast majority that are committed are done my Muslims. Especially here in the US.
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Besides Christians there are also Hindus, who Indian and Pakistani Muslims take traditions from (not from Islam) when they commit honor killings. Completely contrary to Islam.
Btw there is no such thing in the qur'an but lets take a look at the bible's teachings:
Honor Killings in the Bible
Many Christians are often fond of accusing Muslims of committing several honor killings in the name of Islam; they then use this line of argument as a reason to discredit Islam in their eyes. In this article we shall once again turn the table on the Christian showing that honor killings can be found in the Bible, and that the Bible is for honor killings! Hence by their own criteria, Christians will have to abandon their own book.
Let us now see the honor killings in the Bible:
Lev 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
So note, if the priests daughter commits a bad sexual act, she is to be burned because of her fathers reputation, because it is against his honor. What will Christian say now? This is one example of honor killing in the Bible, in fact the act is ordered by the Bible itself.
“And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)”
“For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)”
So here the children are put to death for insulting their parents,
this is another example of honor killings,
the children are put to death for dis-honoring their very own parents and the punishment is death.
So we have seen 3 examples of honor killings in the Bible, so since Christians always have a problem with honor killings and say Islam is wrong because of some Muslims who commit this act, then the Bible is also wrong for allowing honor killings which also makes their own God wrong, and if God is wrong then he cant God because God is always correct. Either way the Christian is in a bad dilemma
You have 3 examples from the old testament, Can you find any in the new testament?
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The point is this is not in Islam or the qur'an but it's in your bible.
Are you denouncing those verses and denouncing the bible as a christian?
People who are Muslim and do this are doing it out of cultural reasons. Hindus same thing. Arab Christians and Nigerian Christians for example are doing it, then they may use the bible for their argument as clearly shown here.
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The point is this is not in Islam or the qur'an but it's in your bible.
Are you denouncing those verses and denouncing the bible as a christian?
People who are Muslim and do this are doing it out of cultural reasons. Hindus same thing. Arab Christians and Nigerian Christians for example are doing it, then they may use the bible for their argument as clearly shown here.
They are not Christians, sighting the old testament as an excuse is moronic. Do you not understand the difference between the old and new testament?
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So you are calling those Arab Christians and Nigerian Christians as not Christians?
So who is to blame? Jews? As it's from the torah if you reject the torah? As a Christian why do you not remove the torah from the bible then if you denounce this?
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So you are calling those Arab Christians and Nigerian Christians as not Christians?
So who is to blame? Jews? As it's from the torah if you reject the torah? As a Christian why do you not remove the torah from the bible then if you denounce this?
Yea I denounce that non sense, the Torah (old testament) is the covenant between God and Jews, The new testament is the new covenant between God and Christians. Why is the Torah there, to provide the proofs of the coming of Christ. Christians have no business using the old testament as reason to enact Jewish law.
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Okay so. In that case I guess those Christians are following Jewish law?
However, my point being, there is no such thing in the qur'an however it is in the bible. Perhaps you should speak to your christian leaders to remove the old testament then if you hate honour killings.
Those Muslims who do this are doing it out of cultural practices that are foreign to Islam as they are performed by Christians and Hindus as well. They are not following Islam but you are trying to go after Islam as the root cause.
Again, read your bible more often and you may know who is the one perpetrating in their scripture this heinous crime.
If you are one of those christians that says the bible is entirely God's word then live with the consequences or remain intellectually dishonest.
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Okay so. In that case I guess those Christians are following Jewish law?
However, my point being, there is no such thing in the qur'an however it is in the bible. Perhaps you should speak to your christian leaders to remove the old testament then if you hate honour killings.
Those Muslims who do this are doing it out of cultural practices that are foreign to Islam as they are performed by Christians and Hindus as well. They are not following Islam but you are trying to go after Islam as the root cause.
Again, read your bible more often and you may know who is the one perpetrating in their scripture this heinous crime.
If you are one of those christians that says the bible is entirely God's word then live with the consequences or remain intellectually dishonest.
The Torah does not apply to me, I'm not Jewish.
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So are you going to tear out the old testament from the bible if you denounce this jewish honor killing laws?
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So are you going to tear out the old testament from the bible if you denounce this jewish honor killing laws?
I already explained to you the purpose of the Torah ( old testament) in the bible
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I already explained to you the purpose of the Torah ( old testament) in the bible
If that's the case why keep that in the bible? Why not only leave the verses that claim the coming of Jesus the messiah?
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If that's the case why keep that in the bible? Why not only leave the verses that claim the coming of Jesus the messiah?
How the fuck would I know, I wasn't around when the gospels were being compiled. The point being to many Christians don't understand the difference, and therefore do things that are of Jewish law.
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So point in case. You should go after these Arab Christians and Nigerian Christians and educate them that honour killing is Jewish law not Christian.
Muslims very well know that this is not from Islam but a pre-islamic cultural practice and only ignorant idiot Muslims would commit honour killings.
Any man that throws acid on a woman's face deserves the same shit done to him and a severe beating. That is my view and that would be the islamic view too. No matter what. Whoever is the sick person that came up with this acid attack deserves to be thrown in an acid bath till he rots.
The end. So, again, no such thing in islam, but there is certainly something like this in the bible. You can run circles around it all day all you wnat.
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So point in case. You should go after these Arab Christians and Nigerian Christians and educate them that honour killing is Jewish law not Christian.
Muslims very well know that this is not from Islam but a pre-islamic cultural practice and only ignorant idiot Muslims would commit honour killings.
Any man that throws acid on a woman's face deserves the same shit done to him and a severe beating. That is my view and that would be the islamic view too. No matter what. Whoever is the sick person that came up with this acid attack deserves to be thrown in an acid bath till he rots.
The end. So, again, no such thing in islam, but there is certainly something like this in the bible. You can run circles around it all day all you wnat.
Not running circles around anything, Jewish law does not apply to me, I am not Jewish.
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So are you saying the old testament is completely useless?
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So are you saying the old testament is completely useless?
How many times do I have to say it? The old testament provides the proofs of the coming of Christ. So as a reference to Christians it is not useless.
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Okay, so then, are you going to take the effort to educate your fellow chritsians who commit honor killings to stop honor killings and denounce these verses and denounce what the bible has inside it?
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Okay, so then, are you going to take the effort to educate your fellow chritsians who commit honor killings to stop honor killings and denounce these verses and denounce what the bible has inside it?
If they read getbig, then I guess they are getting an education.
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So your answer is no, you don't care if Christians read the bible and read these verses and commit honor killings? And you're just trolling getbig with islamophobe messages?
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So your answer is no, you don't care if Christians read the bible and read these verses and commit honor killings? And you're just trolling getbig with islamophobe messages?
That is something they need to take up with God, being ignorant of things is no excuse to commit atrocities.
Islamophobe? That implies that I have an irrational fear of islam, wrong again freak show.
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That is something they need to take up with God, being ignorant of things is no excuse to commit atrocities.
Islamophobe? That implies that I have an irrational fear of islam, wrong again freak show.
As soon as I hear a group of people start tagging their detractors with "-phobe", I know they're a bunch of retarded whiney crybabies that can't handle anyone with differing opinions.
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So I guess you still enjoy Christians honour killing following the teachings of the bible ???
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So I guess you still enjoy Christians honour killing following the teachings of the bible ???
Your just a fucking moron ::)
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So I guess you still enjoy Christians honour killing following the teachings of the bible ???
Uh, did you miss my post earlier? Doesn't matter who performs the Honor killings, its wrong.
Doesn't change the fact that the only time you hear of an Honor Killing happening in the States, it's from some backwards ass Muslim immigrant.
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Man rips out own eyes in church
A CHURCHGOER ripped out his eyeballs as a priest gave Sunday mass yesterday.
British-born Aldo Bianchini, 46, stood up calmly and tore them out with his bare hands then collapsed in a pool of blood.
His mother tried to help him as the priest called for help. But surgeons were unable to save his sight.
He told doctors in Viareggio, Italy, he “heard voices” telling him to rip out his eyes. Dr Gino Barbacci said: “To do that requires superhuman strength.”
Priest Lorenzo Tanganelli, who continued his service after the horror, said: “I’ve never seen so much blood.”
In the Bible, Jesus says: “If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.”
Matthew 5:29 NEW TESTAMENT
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3849743/Man-rips-out-own-eyes-in-church.html#ixzz26CaxPTef
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Man rips out own eyes in church
A CHURCHGOER ripped out his eyeballs as a priest gave Sunday mass yesterday.
British-born Aldo Bianchini, 46, stood up calmly and tore them out with his bare hands then collapsed in a pool of blood.
His mother tried to help him as the priest called for help. But surgeons were unable to save his sight.
He told doctors in Viareggio, Italy, he “heard voices” telling him to rip out his eyes. Dr Gino Barbacci said: “To do that requires superhuman strength.”
Priest Lorenzo Tanganelli, who continued his service after the horror, said: “I’ve never seen so much blood.”
In the Bible, Jesus says: “If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.”
Matthew 5:29 NEW TESTAMENT
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3849743/Man-rips-out-own-eyes-in-church.html#ixzz26CaxPTef
What does this have to do with anything?
Answer: It doesn't.
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So do you reject these verse that are attributed to Jesus and the new testament? Was this man not obeying Jesus?
No old testament here.
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So do you reject these verse that are attributed to Jesus and the new testament? Was this man not obeying Jesus?
No old testament here.
There is nothing in there stating he tore his eye out thanks to the New Testament, he said he "heard voices" telling him to tear his eye out. You suck again!
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LOL.
He tore his eye out and the priest said he's never seen so much blood in his life. Wow now I understand why you're ignorant. you don't read at all.
He was in church listening to the new testament ;)
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LOL.
He tore his eye out and the priest said he's never seen so much blood in his life. Wow now I understand why you're ignorant. you don't read at all.
He was in church listening to the new testament ;)
You make about as much sense as Sampson
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LOL.
He tore his eye out and the priest said he's never seen so much blood in his life. Wow now I understand why you're ignorant. you don't read at all.
He was in church listening to the new testament ;)
Reading comprehension > You
No where does it say the Priest was reading that passage, it says that he heard voices telling him to rip out his eyes. You are making huge leaps of logic to try and make your point.
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A CHURCHGOER ripped out his eyeballs as a priest gave Sunday mass yesterday.
British-born Aldo Bianchini, 46, stood up calmly and tore them out with his bare hands then collapsed in a pool of blood.
His mother tried to help him as the priest called for help. But surgeons were unable to save his sight.
He told doctors in Viareggio, Italy, he “heard voices” telling him to rip out his eyes. Dr Gino Barbacci said: “To do that requires superhuman strength.”
Priest Lorenzo Tanganelli, who continued his service after the horror, said: “I’ve never seen so much blood.”
In the Bible, Jesus says: “If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.”
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3849743/Man-rips-out-own-eyes-in-church.html#ixzz26IVs5mxI
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So he heard Jesus?
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So he heard Jesus?
He heard "voices". How the hell you think that equates to "Jesus" or the Pastor is beyond me.
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He heard "voices". How the hell you think that equates to "Jesus" or the Pastor is beyond me.
Paul heard voices and he claimed he heard Jesus and then he started teaching Jesus is God.
So Jesus comanded him according to the bible to tear his eye out?
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What do you say about Christians in Nigeria who 'honor kill' their daughters?
They are people who have not been thought correctly the Christian doctrine. They might be persons who may have converted to Christianity but refuse to leave some of their previous religious beliefs. People who were muslims and converted to Christianity.
The apostle Paul faced a similar dilemma where Jews who converted to Christianity wanted to impose circumcision, sacrificial practices, and holiday observances that they learned under the Mosaic Law upon converted gentiles.
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Besides Christians there are also Hindus, who Indian and Pakistani Muslims take traditions from (not from Islam) when they commit honor killings. Completely contrary to Islam.
Btw there is no such thing in the qur'an but lets take a look at the bible's teachings:
Honor Killings in the Bible
Many Christians are often fond of accusing Muslims of committing several honor killings in the name of Islam; they then use this line of argument as a reason to discredit Islam in their eyes. In this article we shall once again turn the table on the Christian showing that honor killings can be found in the Bible, and that the Bible is for honor killings! Hence by their own criteria, Christians will have to abandon their own book.
Let us now see the honor killings in the Bible:
Lev 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
So note, if the priests daughter commits a bad sexual act, she is to be burned because of her fathers reputation, because it is against his honor. What will Christian say now? This is one example of honor killing in the Bible, in fact the act is ordered by the Bible itself.
“And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)”
“For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)”
So here the children are put to death for insulting their parents,
this is another example of honor killings,
the children are put to death for dis-honoring their very own parents and the punishment is death.
So we have seen 3 examples of honor killings in the Bible, so since Christians always have a problem with honor killings and say Islam is wrong because of some Muslims who commit this act, then the Bible is also wrong for allowing honor killings which also makes their own God wrong, and if God is wrong then he cant God because God is always correct. Either way the Christian is in a bad dilemma
This is part of the Mosaic Law for the JEWS. For ISRAEL. NOT CHRISTIANS. Jews don't believe in Jesus. Remember?
Jesus established a new pact as per the book of Hebrews chapter 8-10.
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Paul heard voices and he claimed he heard Jesus and then he started teaching Jesus is God.
So Jesus comanded him according to the bible to tear his eye out?
Wow. You are just like Saul of Tarsus when he was defending the Pharisees' interpretation of Moses' Law before he converted to Jesus Christ. You are spiritually blind.
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Man rips out own eyes in church
A CHURCHGOER ripped out his eyeballs as a priest gave Sunday mass yesterday.
British-born Aldo Bianchini, 46, stood up calmly and tore them out with his bare hands then collapsed in a pool of blood.
His mother tried to help him as the priest called for help. But surgeons were unable to save his sight.
He told doctors in Viareggio, Italy, he “heard voices” telling him to rip out his eyes. Dr Gino Barbacci said: “To do that requires superhuman strength.”
Priest Lorenzo Tanganelli, who continued his service after the horror, said: “I’ve never seen so much blood.”
In the Bible, Jesus says: “If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.”
Matthew 5:29 NEW TESTAMENT
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3849743/Man-rips-out-own-eyes-in-church.html#ixzz26CaxPTef
You got the story slightly wrong. It was a wedding and Aldo was about to marry a real ugly girl. He just did was was neccesary for him to complete the ceremony.
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Wow. You are just like Saul of Tarsus when he was defending the Pharisees' interpretation of Moses' Law before he converted to Jesus Christ. You are spiritually blind.
Jesus: But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God's laws.'Matthew 7:23
OT: Away from me, you evildoers, that I may keep the commands of my God! Psalm 119:115
Jesus asked about what is the most important commandment: "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one Matthew 7:23
OT: Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.Deuteronomy 6:4
You are following a fraud who perverted Jesus' message and the romans, the very people who fought the law of God, fought the Jews who were the then believing people of God.... the Romans succeeded, they hijacked the religion of God, proclaimed themselves representatives of God (pope as he claims to be) and abandoned the law of God, replacing it with their vain desires and pagan beliefs.
Look at the non Godly nature of priests who do not marry. They do what? Rape little children, boys and girls. That is what happens when God's law is abandoned.
And they introduce the worship of a man, Jesus, created by God.
God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? Numbers 23:19
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Ahmed, you contradict yourself so often it's funny You were condemning homosexuality in another thread and when I quoted Jesus' words on judgement you retorted by quoting leviticus;18:22 Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
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Ahmed, you contradict yourself so often it's funny You were condemning homosexuality in another thread and when I quoted Jesus' words on judgement you retorted by quoting leviticus;18:22 Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
What are you talking about?
I was playing with these hypocritical christians. Who pick and chose what they want to believe.
They try to slander Islam and Muslims with lies, when I quote them verses from the bible which advocate honor killings they shut up. Then they argue oh but they dont follow the OT.
I don't accept the bible as the word of God. It is the word of men, priests, historians, scribes, rabbis, God, prophets, and unknowns. So no I do not follow what the bible says as it is not the absolute word of God. The bible is a riddle of contradiction.. and God does no lie, confuse or deceive.
It instructs mankind to worship God alone. Then suddenly thus a u-turn and instructs man to worship a man?
I am just trying to prove a point.
Also about homosexuals being put to death. Yes, I believe that because that's what Islam confirms. However today Christian priests are marrying gays. Yet the bible talks about man and woman being created for each other by God.
So it just shows how none of you rae following anything but desires and just flaunting insults at Islam and Muslims but then you rae the ones that contradict yourselves and your supposed faith.
Certain accusations being laid against Muslims are in fact true of Christians.
Nigerian and Arab christians do honor killings. When you accuse muslims of doing that, you are trying to accuse Islam of perpetrating this. In fact Islam opposes this and there is no such thing.. however if we are to use scripture as argument, the bible clearly has honor killings in it.
Honor killings are not a part of Islam. Period. It is not in the qur'an. Punishment for homosexuality is also not in the qur'an but it is in hadith. However the punishment is the exact same as in the bible.