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I'm a completely natural bitch, all Creatine, Crystal Lite, and Pickled Eggs...
I do stiff legged dead lifts on leg day (Monday), should I do regular dead lifts on back day (Wednesday)?
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i did this for many years. looking back, i probably should have taken it a little easier on them, since the movements are so similar the two exercises are basically the same thing.
if you're doing SLDL for "legs" and deadlifts for "back" you may as well just keep the stiff legged variant and ditch the normal deadlifts. doing deadlifts for "back" doesn't really make any sense, imo, the only "back" involvement is isometric. what other isometric exercises do you do specifically for a body part? maybe planks for abs, if you're a homo :D
on the other hand it doesn't matter if you do both, just as long as you do the right amount of weight/sets/reps in the end...
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i did this for many years. looking back, i probably should have taken it a little easier on them, since the movements are so similar the two exercises are basically the same thing.
if you're doing SLDL for "legs" and deadlifts for "back" you may as well just keep the stiff legged variant and ditch the normal deadlifts. doing deadlifts for "back" doesn't really make any sense, imo, the only "back" involvement is isometric. what other isometric exercises do you do specifically for a body part? maybe planks for abs, if you're a homo :D
on the other hand it doesn't matter if you do both, just as long as you do the right amount of weight/sets/reps in the end...
Makes sense, thanks!
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You could do both but you'd need to keep the volume and poundages moderate, like say 3-5 sets at 70-80%. Another way that could work is to alternate light/heavy heavy/light.
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I'm a completely natural bitch, all Creatine, Crystal Lite, and Pickled Eggs...
I do stiff legged dead lifts on leg day (Monday), should I do regular dead lifts on back day (Wednesday)?
deads every 8 days if you know what's good for you. ;D
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only if you up the dosage....
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why? You think you are going to make gains 2x as fast?
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You could do both but you'd need to keep the volume and poundages moderate, like say 3-5 sets at 70-80%. Another way that could work is to alternate light/heavy heavy/light.
I've been training forever and never tried that before. I'll give it a go, thanks!!!
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doing deadlifts for "back" doesn't really make any sense, imo, the only "back" involvement is isometric. what other isometric exercises do you do specifically for a body part?
Not true at all man. Proper deadlifts requires scapular retraction as well as even greater humoral extension. Then add on top of that the tremendous erector and trapezius workload being executed. Deads absoutely hammer your back. There's a massive amount of sarcomere damage done on a heavy deadlift day. Theres a reason why it's one of the "big 3." I'm sure a more qualified kinesio guy could explain better than myself.
Anyone ever done just a deadlift day of say 10 sets? I do it weekly...Your back will be blasted if you are performing the movement correctly.
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Not true at all man. Proper deadlifts requires scapular retraction as well as even greater humoral extension. Then add on top of that the tremendous erector and trapezius workload being executed. Deads absoutely hammer your back. There's a massive amount of sarcomere damage done on a heavy deadlift day. Theres a reason why it's one of the "big 3." I'm sure a more qualified kinesio guy could explain better than myself.
Anyone ever done just a deadlift day of say 10 sets? I do it weekly...Your back will be blasted if you are performing the movement correctly.
yes massive "scapular retraction" happening during deadlifts all around the world. and the humeral extension is passive... ::)
and yes i know deadlifts "blast" the back, and yes I have done a "deadlift only" day. you can also "blast" the back just fine with rows and pullups, which is what i'd recommend considering he's also doing SLDLs on leg day. but hey, it's not like it really matters! anyone could build the back of their dreams with or without deads. i just find it funny that it's practically considered a mandatory back exercise when isometric exercises are barely touched by the bbing community otherwise.
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deadlifts are the only exercise i wont due, either takes too long to recover or a blow out my back or combination of both
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deadlifts are the only exercise i wont due, either takes too long to recover or a blow out my back or combination of both
one of best exercises to produce the torn biceps all bodybuilders so covet. ;D ;D ;D
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deadlifts are the only exercise i wont due, either takes too long to recover or a blow out my back or combination of both
Picking up bags of concrete/cans of paint = deadlifts.
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yes massive "scapular retraction" happening during deadlifts all around the world. and the humeral extension is passive... ::)
and yes i know deadlifts "blast" the back, and yes I have done a "deadlift only" day. you can also "blast" the back just fine with rows and pullups, which is what i'd recommend considering he's also doing SLDLs on leg day. but hey, it's not like it really matters! anyone could build the back of their dreams with or without deads. i just find it funny that it's practically considered a mandatory back exercise when isometric exercises are barely touched by the bbing community otherwise.
You should be retracting those scaps as much as possible on your deads...if you're not, you're seriously missing out if hypertrophy is your thing. "Scapular retraction is the key to back exercises..." is a common theme in kinesiology, it's not my own idea.
Blasting your back "just fine" doesn't mean you're recruiting the maximum amount of motor units you COULD on a back workout. Just some food for thought here.
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I know back in his absolute hardcore prime, Bluto was doing upwards of 2 to 3 deadlift sessions a day. Don't know what kind of results he was getting from it though.
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I know back in his absolute hardcore prime, Bluto was doing upwards of 2 to 3 deadlift sessions a day. Don't know what kind of results he was getting from it though.
Hope he kept his abs tight at all times :o
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From a power lifting prospective, twice a week. From a bodybuilding prospective. None to once a week.
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As a former competitive USPF powerlifter, with three Master's ratings and one Elite rating, I say with absolute sincerity; I have never seen a competetive powerlifter pull aka deadlift more than once a week.
That said, my best competitive days were during the Clinton administration- things change.
Bodybuilding? Many excellent BB'ers did lots of DL's- Michael Francois, Jim Quinn, Tom Platz, JP Fux, Aaron Baker- just a few cats I knew personally. I say throw them in off season, and drop then as your diet tightens.
Send me a postcard when you're famous.
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As a former competitive USPF powerlifter, with three Master's ratings and one Elite rating, I say with absolute sincerity; I have never seen a competetive powerlifter pull aka deadlift more than once a week.
That said, my best competitive days were during the Clinton administration- things change.
Bodybuilding? Many excellent BB'ers did lots of DL's- Michael Francois, Jim Quinn, Tom Platz, JP Fux, Aaron Baker- just a few cats I knew personally. I say throw them in off season, and drop then as your diet tightens.
Send me a postcard when you're famous.
Westside does it every week. One ME, one Speed.
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Westside does it every week. One ME, one Speed.
:) Louie and the Boys seem to get it right.
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I deadlift and I'm a very formidable man.
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I deadlift and I'm a very formidable man.
Are you lookin' for trouble?
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COME TO ME BRO!!!!!!!!!
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:) Louie and the Boys seem to get it right.
Yep, we run a similar template with our athletes with a few variations. Strong and fast as hell with (so far) no injuries this season and none the past 3.
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Yep, we run a similar template with our athletes with a few variations. Strong and fast as hell with (so far) no injuries this season and none the past 3.
I was at Diablo Barbell (Nor Cal's premier PL gym) last week. I am definitely way behind the curve. Evidently Westside BB still sets the tone & tempo for powerlifting.
Kick ass gym. Swing by when you are in the Bay Area.
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Nice gym!!
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A couple more pics.
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Approximately how many sqft would you estimate it to be?
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Approximately how many sqft would you estimate it to be?
Don't worry about it, they've already got a janitor you Mexican.
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Just my personal experience, but I stopped doing stiff legged deadlifts on leg days and my back recovered better from the previous deadlift workout that week. My deadlift #'s for back day have dramatically improved.
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deadlifts are the only exercise i wont due, either takes too long to recover or a blow out my back or combination of both
but are they ok for pussy dieters :D :D :D
and on a side note, i quit doing rows for awhile, coz i'm a torso dominate kinda guy, and only did SLD's for legs and ass, but guess what? my lats grew and got thicker and wider
and this had to come from the SLD's as i had dropped rows and didin't do any kind of pulldowns or chins either
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Don't worry about it, they've already got a janitor you Mexican.
I was just curious. Don't worry I have no intention of taking your job.
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Weightlifters train the posterior chain every day. Weightlifters can do what others can't. :)
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I'm a completely natural bitch, all Creatine, Crystal Lite, and Pickled Eggs...
I do stiff legged dead lifts on leg day (Monday), should I do regular dead lifts on back day (Wednesday)?
First of all, you should know the difference of these two exercise:
Stiff legged deadlifts And deadlift
Then you have to learn to do them right. Then you don't have no problems doing them. You can do deadlifts in your weekly routine, but it doesn't make any sense to go to max week by week, so you do something like this:
Every week start with the warm up by doing 20 reps with low weight. In my own training deadlifts are the last exercise after training my back.
week 1 two sets reps 15, 12
week 2 two sets reps 10, 8
week 3 three sets reps 6, 4
and week four 5 sets, reps 12, 8 , 6, 3, and one rep max.
By giving you amount of reps I mean that you have to choose weight, which you can't do more reps than that.
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I was just curious. Don't worry I have no intention of taking your job.
haha!!!
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First of all, you should know the difference of these two exercise:
Stiff legged deadlifts And deadlift
Then you have to learn to do them right. Then you don't have no problems doing them. You can do deadlifts in your weekly routine, but it doesn't make any sense to go to max week by week, so you do something like this:
Every week start with the warm up by doing 20 reps with low weight. In my own training deadlifts are the last exercise after training my back.
week 1 two sets reps 15, 12
week 2 two sets reps 10, 8
week 3 three sets reps 6, 4
and week four 5 sets, reps 12, 8 , 6, 3, and one rep max.
By giving you amount of reps I mean that you have to choose weight, which you can't do more reps than that.
Thanks, very helpful!
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The training frequency depends on your volume & intensity. So you need to experiment with these 2 variables to find out how much work you can do to recover within 3 days.